"The James Thrash Package"

[SkinsASchamps]

Has anyone else noticed that when Thrash is the single wideout and the rest of the guys are in a two tight end two back set, that we will run one of three plays. First it could be a toss to side that thrash is on with him cracking back and sellers getting out wide. Second it could be a stretch to thrash's side. Third it could be a play action. The problem with play action is Thrash is your only wideout and cooley gets a lot of attention. If I were an opposing team watching film I could pick up on this very fast. Have you guys seen this? Thoughts? I think it may work towards the goaline but keep it off the field otherwise.

[CNYSkinFan]

Thrash is a great blocker as a Wide Receiver so that is why he is on on that package. For the pass to work the defense would have to sell out to the run and then any receiver may gaet open. It gives our other 3 receivers a breather and could spring Portis for a big gain if Thrash is down field blocking.

[SkinsASchamps]

Thrash is a great blocker as a Wide Receiver so that is why he is on on that package. For the pass to work the defense would have to sell out to the run and then any receiver may gaet open. It gives our other 3 receivers a breather and could spring Portis for a big gain if Thrash is down field blocking.

I understand the concept. It still hasnt been effective. Thrash may block well but the play is predictable. Defenses can key on this and are keying on this IMO. Its time for saunders to get a little more creative.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Thrash is a great blocker as a Wide Receiver so that is why he is on on that package. For the pass to work the defense would have to sell out to the run and then any receiver may gaet open. It gives our other 3 receivers a breather and could spring Portis for a big gain if Thrash is down field blocking.
The problem is that any cornerback in the league can cover thrash one on one right now...so basically if a defense sees that package they know that they can committ 9 or 10 people to stopping the run..the playaction we ran against the Giants ended up looking pretty pitiful..if you have Moss or somebody a bit more explosive in there, while he may not be as effective a blocker, he represents a greater danger to the opposing defense.
If it was working, I'd be fine with it, but when we choose to go playaction from that formation, it tends to get ugly..

[lakewinola]

Has anyone else noticed that when Thrash is the single wideout and the rest of the guys are in a two tight end two back set, that we will run one of three plays. First it could be a toss to side that thrash is on with him cracking back and sellers getting out wide. Second it could be a stretch to thrash's side. Third it could be a play action. The problem with play action is Thrash is your only wideout and cooley gets a lot of attention. If I were an opposing team watching film I could pick up on this very fast. Have you guys seen this? Thoughts? I think it may work towards the goaline but keep it off the field otherwise.

Quite simply the dumbest formation in our playbook.

[BurgundyNGold]

Has anyone else noticed that when Thrash is the single wideout and the rest of the guys are in a two tight end two back set, that we will run one of three plays. First it could be a toss to side that thrash is on with him cracking back and sellers getting out wide. Second it could be a stretch to thrash's side. Third it could be a play action. The problem with play action is Thrash is your only wideout and cooley gets a lot of attention. If I were an opposing team watching film I could pick up on this very fast. Have you guys seen this? Thoughts? I think it may work towards the goaline but keep it off the field otherwise.
Yeah they just added that pass to Thrash this week so that folks won't be able to key the run when Thrash is in the game. The thing is that Thrash sucks the carrot so completely that teams don't have to worry about a pass to him and can still key the run, lol. I can't believe I'm going to say this in defense of Patten, but Thrash should be inactive the rest of the year and Patten should play more.

Thrash is DONE, son! He's DONE!!!

I say that if you're going to run the ball, just line up and knock the other teams off the ball. Who cares if you telegraph the run? We have a better than average run blocking OL, excellent blocking WRs, effective blocking TEs and, of course, Caveman Sellers. Just cram it down their throats and maybe, just maybe, play action will allow us to go deep.

[redskinz#1fan]

Thrash is a very good blocker, but this play is too predictable. The defense knows exactly what is coming. There is one thing that I have noticed on a lot of our plays.....a lot of the time we will take Moss, Patten, Lloyd, or El out the game, Aand then guess what we do next??! RUN! Why don't we disguise things a little better and keep some of our playmakers in, and then run? Spread the field with our WR's and then run! We have done this on occasion, but not very much. These are just questions that I have been asking myself as I come down from Margaritaville when I'm sitting at or watching the game.

[BurgundyNGold]

Thrash is a very good blocker, but this play is too predictable. The defense knows exactly what is coming. There is one thing that I have noticed on a lot of our plays.....a lot of the time we will take Moss, Patten, Lloyd, or El out the game, Aand then guess what we do next??! RUN! Why don't we disguise things a little better and keep some of our playmakers in, and then run? Spread the field with our WR's and then run! We have done this on occasion, but not very much. These are just questions that I have been asking myself as I come down from Margaritaville when I'm sitting at or watching the game.
He's one dimensional. Having him in the game automatically means an 8th man in the box. Having him as the only receiver is the dumbest thing since that guy on Jackass rolled around in a bunch of mouse traps.

[ryflan47]

Yeah I remember seeing this, and I remember hating it.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

yea ive picked up on that. whenever thrash is on the field, and especially when hes near a TE, its gonna be a toss crack to his side. also, when sellers is lined up as a TE, and motions before its snapped, its usually a toss play or a run to sellers side.

[shally]

Has anyone else noticed that when Thrash is the single wideout and the rest of the guys are in a two tight end two back set, that we will run one of three plays. First it could be a toss to side that thrash is on with him cracking back and sellers getting out wide. Second it could be a stretch to thrash's side. Third it could be a play action. The problem with play action is Thrash is your only wideout and cooley gets a lot of attention. If I were an opposing team watching film I could pick up on this very fast. Have you guys seen this? Thoughts? I think it may work towards the goaline but keep it off the field otherwise.

i guess the only time might be in a run only situation.. using multiple tight ends plus thrash..
anything else makes little sense

[BandWagon]

This thread gives an idea. We can actually find out how predictable our offense is. Put some formations down, predict the plays called out of it and let's see what we end up with. I'm definitely going to be watching this formation on Sunday now. Thanks!

[redwolf1218]

This thread gives an idea. We can actually find out how predictable our offense is. Put some formations down, predict the plays called out of it and let's see what we end up with. I'm definitely going to be watching this formation on Sunday now. Thanks!
you can pretty much tell where the play is going by the motion. i have said for a while that i dont think the back and forth motion really disguises the play. if anything, it gives it away. everyone watches the film.

in the end you still have to line up and beat the other guy. that's what we are not doing consistently, IMO.

it is better now though. it was a lot worse with the hback. the guy goes back and forth, then dives into the line at the snap, and all the 8 or 9 guys in the box converge on that spot. it worked before because we were dominant enough to win that battle regardless. plus we had several deep threats and a QB with a big arm, so they couldnt stack the entire defense at the line like they did last year. there were times however when we would just run the same play over and over and no one could stop it. that goes back to a dominant o-line.

[shally]

you can pretty much tell where the play is going by the motion. i have said for a while that i dont think the back and forth motion really disguises the play. if anything, it gives it away. everyone watches the film.

in the end you still have to line up and beat the other guy. that's what we are not doing consistently, IMO.

it is better now though. it was a lot worse with the hback. the guy goes back and forth, then dives into the line at the snap, and all the 8 or 9 guys in the box converge on that spot. it worked before because we were dominant enough to win that battle regardless. plus we had several deep threats and a QB with a big arm, so they couldnt stack the entire defense at the line like they did last year. there were times however when we would just run the same play over and over and no one could stop it. that goes back to a dominant o-line.

amen.. line up. man up.. beat up... that is all there is to it...

[redwolf1218]

amen.. line up. man up.. beat up... that is all there is to it...
i think they did some of that against Jax, but wimped out against the Giants.

that game with Jax was a brutal game. several of their defense could not play this past week. i suspect several of our guys were also banged up.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I remember watching the game and seeing Thrash as the only wideout. I, and I'm sure the Gints, knew a run was coming. Saunders has to disguise the runs with at least another wideout or attempt a pass to Thrash to try to keep opposings D's honest.

[redwolf1218]

I remember watching the game and seeing Thrash as the only wideout. I, and I'm sure the Gints, knew a run was coming. Saunders has to disguise the runs with at least another wideout or attempt a pass to Thrash to try to keep opposings D's honest.
there's another example of a new guy not getting a chance against the incumbant. we have Espy and that other guy on the practice squad getting no chance, while Patten is inactive and Thrash is a non-factor.

[RedskinsVision]

You'd think if there's a play with 1 wideout that Santana would be out there. You know there's a 90% chance of a run when Thrash is the one. Might as well throw in another TE or an eligible lineman and go with the jumbo package. Still won't fool the defense but at least it gives us a better chance to get a first down.

[redwolf1218]

You'd think if there's a play with 1 wideout that Santana would be out there. You know there's a 90% chance of a run when Thrash is the one. Might as well throw in another TE or an eligible lineman and go with the jumbo package. Still won't fool the defense but at least it gives us a better chance to get a first down.
same thing i thought about throwing it on 3rd and one. the play-action would work better with Sellers and Duckett in the backfield.