Brunell Still the Starter - Anyone hoping for a loss?

[Skin-E-Dip]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)

[Dolla Bill]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)


No, I never hope for a loss period. That's almost like you're against the skins.

[CarMike]

No, I never hope for a loss period. That's almost like you're against the skins.
Well said Dolla Bill. Never, and I mean never would I cheer against the Redskins. If I were that type of fan, i'd be a friggen cowgirl fan.

[shally]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)

no.. although i am disgusted with the team's play and want to see brunell benched in favor of campbell, i cannot bring myself to ever hope for a loss.
i hope they tear the colts apart and start on a multigame winning streak

[RedskinsATW!]

I'm so desperate for a win I'm having LT on crack cocaine, MNF fantasies. As long as nobody "REALLY" gets hurt.

[Skinzlover223]

I hope Brunell plays bad and gets yanked and the Campbell is put in and leads a comeback. But then I realized he is the 3rd string and can't play unless there is an emergency situation. So let's just hope the skins win and that in the bye week Campbell gets promoted to number 2 at least. Geeze what a disaster. :cry:

[CarMike]

no.. although i am disgusted with the team's play and want to see brunell benched in favor of campbell, i cannot bring myself to ever hope for a loss.
i hope they tear the colts apart and start on a multigame winning streak
Not trying to hi-jack the thread here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunell getting benched, except Collins will be the QB who'll get the playing time.

I hope and pray that i'm wrong. I just have that feeling for some reason.

[akhhorus]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)

Why would you bring it up unless you feel that way? I retract the nicer things I said about you. This is getting ridiculous around here people.

[RedskinsDave]

Not trying to hi-jack the thread here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunell getting benched, except Collins will be the QB who'll get the playing time.

I hope and pray that i'm wrong. I just have that feeling for some reason.

If that's the case, then Vinny should have been fired by now.

[OCSkinzFan]

NEVER!Never would I hope for a Redskins loss.





Well, I might want us to loose, but only if it would keep Dallas out of the playoffs and we were already mathmatically out of it.

[70chip-on-1]

NEVER!!!

Lets just play spoiler this year.. Knock some key guys out of big teams. Put the pain on!

GO SKINS!

[shally]

Not trying to hi-jack the thread here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunell getting benched, except Collins will be the QB who'll get the playing time.

I hope and pray that i'm wrong. I just have that feeling for some reason.

that is the one thing i could not abide.. i do not want to see collins in for any reason.. for that, i want to see campbell listed as number 2 this week.. the worst case scenario has to be if brunell sits and collins is named starter for any period of time..

[RedskinRyan]

Well said Dolla Bill. Never, and I mean never would I cheer against the Redskins. If I were that type of fan, i'd be a friggen cowgirl fan.

basically

[shally]

If that's the case, then Vinny should have been fired by now.


heads would have to roll over that one

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

how anyone could hope for a loss is beyond me. thats like hoping for losses just to get a good draft pick. i hope brunell plays great because that probably means we'll win and wins help build confidence.

[dj_stouty]

This reminds me of conversations a long time ago in which people dreamed up ways to kill/hurt Brunell so Ramsey could play.

It is pathetic to wish for a loss. This fanbase has no room for you if you do...

[remaxjon]

I would rather see Todd Collins play then hope for a loss and anyone who thinks otherwise is dead to me

[LATrueRedskin]

What an absurd thing to say. Obviously we're not going to wish for a loss.

[joethefan]

well as crazy as it sounds I wouldn't hope for a loss, but at what point will Gibbs put the Youngin in?....I refuse to believe that JC can't run this offense....If we do lose and Gibbs starts Brunell, then he's in denial, when he's the one who created this all by pushing the panick button after last year....when all he had to do was build on last year....I saw it as being a stepping stone by making the playoffs.....but 5mil to say yes or no on 4th and 1 and not to recognize that something needs to change is crazy.....

I'm not saying Brunell is all the issue but it seems like if Brunell throws four bombs, in a game, his arm will come out of socket....he kills himself when he throws a pass over 35 yards. If we do beat Indy...that may be a spark to beat Dallas but at this point we're in pre shut down mode. Hey, if Campbell starts when we play Dallas, I'd be for it, but what Defense will show up on that day? Thats the question

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I would never hope for a loss. And when did this season become about playing spoiler. Last I checked the odds are long but we're not done.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'm so desperate for a win I'm having LT on crack cocaine, MNF fantasies. As long as nobody "REALLY" gets hurt.So you are hoping Brunell gets hurt but not REALLY hurt? Awesome...:rolleyes:

[dj_stouty]

BTW - anyone really hoping for a Skins loss to INDY...or hoping a Redskin (Brunell) gets injured before/during the game can PM me and I'll send you some links to some message boards where you can find the appropriate company.

This doesn't fly here...

[BurgundyNGold]

This is a stupid thread.

[akhhorus]

BTW - anyone really hoping for a Skins loss to INDY...or hoping a Redskin (Brunell) gets injured before/during the game can PM me and I'll send you some links to some message boards where you can find the appropriate company.

This doesn't fly here...

I'm hoping for a tie between the Skins and Colts on sunday, what can i get for that? :D

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm hoping for a tie between the Skins and Colts on sunday, what can i get for that? :D
A new sig! :D

[RedskinsDave]

I am hoping for a tie.

[RedskinsDave]

I'm hoping for a tie between the Skins and Colts on sunday, what can i get for that? :D

Sonofa......

[akhhorus]

A new sig! :D

Give it up man. lol.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I will never hope for a loss,never. I do hope the OL, the running game and the playcalling improve so that people will stop trying to blame everything on Mark though. He set a record in Houston, came back and beat Jax in OT...and guess what the whole team played better those two games. Now because the entire team has played like crap 2 weeks in a row it's all Mark fault... :banghead: .

[shally]

well as crazy as it sounds I wouldn't hope for a loss, but at what point will Gibbs put the Youngin in?....I refuse to believe that JC can't run this offense....If we do lose and Gibbs starts Brunell, then he's in denial, when he's the one who created this all by pushing the panick button after last year....when all he had to do was build on last year....I saw it as being a stepping stone by making the playoffs.....but 5mil to say yes or no on 4th and 1 and not to recognize that something needs to change is crazy.....

I'm not saying Brunell is all the issue but it seems like if Brunell throws four bombs, in a game, his arm will come out of socket....he kills himself when he throws a pass over 35 yards. If we do beat Indy...that may be a spark to beat Dallas but at this point we're in pre shut down mode. Hey, if Campbell starts when we play Dallas, I'd be for it, but what Defense will show up on that day? Thats the question

the problem is that evenif we beat indy, we have been so inconsistent that i will be holding my breath with each subsequent game wondering if we will experience the same thing as what happened after the jax win.
this team needs to become more consistent from week to week. that wont happen until the defense asserts itself

[chicago_skinz_fan]

I would never hope for a loss that is just dumb. I hope mark goes out and plays the best game of his life, wins the game, wins the rest of the games this season, and gets us into the playoffs. Hoping Mark does bad to get JC playing time, practically saying, I hope we stop trying this season so Mark gets pulled and JC gets to play.

STUPID!

[shally]

I'm hoping for a tie between the Skins and Colts on sunday, what can i get for that? :D

about 500-1 in vegas, i suspect...:lol1:

[Skins Guy]

wait i dont understand why collins would play before campbell...kinda weird, i know its the veteran thing and all...but this is his first year with us, campbell has been here for two years now. i mean we drafted the guy in the first round, it wouldn't really make sense to start collins, that would put me in a state of, confusion i guess. i wouldn't know where we would be headed if we go collins, who is the opposite of the future, campbell.

sorry to kinda go off topic, but id never root against the skins. and i actually do still believe this season is still alive.

[silverspring]

Not trying to hi-jack the thread here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Brunell getting benched, except Collins will be the QB who'll get the playing time.

I hope and pray that i'm wrong. I just have that feeling for some reason.

If collins was promoted rather than cambell for anything more than a single game i would lose all faith in this coaching staff.

[CNYSkinFan]

If collins was promoted rather than cambell for anything more than a single game i would lose all faith in this coaching staff.
It could happen though, and I am deathly afraid of it. It all depends on whether Gibbs (who I believe likes Campbell) or Saunders (who I think likes Collins) is actually running the offense when Brunell is demoted. I never bought this whole backup qb is a tie crapola the Redskins tried to pull. Campbell is the #3 QB and inacitve except for injury on gameday and that is when it counts.

[SkinsFan4Life2003]

i would never hope for a loss period. that being said brunell's time as starting qb for our squad must end.

[Redskinmayhem]

Nope, I don't wish for a loss or any harm to Mark Brunnell in any way. If he suddenly becomes the QB he was 7 years ago, Fantastic. If not, then we put JCamp in as the starter over the by week. Ultimately, it's up to Gibbs but we all know that.

[openallnight]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)
I think God could punish you for the thoughts running through your head.

[RedskinsATW!]

We will not see JC start this season unless we lose the next 3 in a row or are mathmatically eliminated. If we lose to Indy, Coach will say "Mark gives us the best chance to win against Dallas" or words to that effect (and almost verbatim) and if he losses against the 'girls it'll be "The Eagles are a division rival and Mark is a cagey veteran who's a smart guy that plays his guts out...."

If this happens (hypothetically, everybody take a deep breath) then I think we'd see JC against the Bucs because we'd be 2-7 and on a 5 game skid and 0-4 in the division. I think that's the earliest but we'll see. Heck, maybe later than that. My $.02.

[Biggie]

I love Joe, but he can be loyal to a fault.

[IllinoiSkinFan]

Nope.
I never hope for a Skins loss.

[hail2skins]

If Brunell were to get pulled/hurt in a game, Collins would be the one to come in and finish. If Brunell couldn't go the next week, Campbell would start. It is what he stated earlier in the season.

Wishing for a loss or a player to get hurt is pathetic and won't be tolerated here. Take that crap elsewhere.

[rusty73]

NEVER!!!

Lets just play spoiler this year.. Knock some key guys out of big teams. Put the pain on!

GO SKINS!
Hey like they said in Kelly's Heroe's HEY MAN, DON'T MAKE WITH THE NEGATIVE WAVES, MAN! Hell we're still not 5-6 yet. Things change in a heart beat. Confidence is one of them. Get the train back on the tracks, RUN the damn football and it won't matter who the damn QB is if the D shows up and plays like last year. Redskin Football!:sfight:

[hail2skins]

Gibbs has again expressed his commitment to Brunnell for the Colts game. I would never ever ever want a Skins loss, but I definitely respect anyone who believes that a loss and a bad Brunnell showing against the Colts with a bye week to follow will be enough to finally get Campbell in the game. Not that I do, but does anyone else have such filthy disgusting thoughts as wanting those things to happen to finally get the team moving into the future? If you do then shame on you but I UNDERSTAND. ;)Bringing it up in the first place shows you want it to happen. You're just trying to hide behind others who would admit it. It's pathetic and shameful and you can carry it elsewhere.

[danny's stogie]

http://www.kanald.com.tr/sinema/img/haber/200x250/roberto_benigni.jpg

[redskinz#1fan]

NEVER!!!

Lets just play spoiler this year.. Knock some key guys out of big teams. Put the pain on!

GO SKINS!

Please would everyone stop saying, "Lets play spoiler"! That is so negative and pretty much shows the loyalty that you have for this team. Let me.....you know what...nevermind! :banghead:

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Please would everyone stop saying, "Lets play spoiler"! That is so negative and pretty much shows the loyalty that you have for this team. Let me.....you know what...nevermind! :banghead:

Thank you. And I want to pile on a little bit about this too, because after we beat the Colts, those "spoiler fans" will be the same ones saying we're back. Stay with this team!!!

[guess88]

How about we root for Brunell to play like he did against TN and Jacksonville, and our defense to step up to at least last years play? It's all possible and it all can happen! Let's go B&G!!!!

[RedskinsDave]

Please would everyone stop saying, "Lets play spoiler"! That is so negative and pretty much shows the loyalty that you have for this team. Let me.....you know what...nevermind! :banghead:

How is that not being loyal? Maybe not optimistic but there's no reason to question someone's loyalty. How many thread do I need to do this in?

[jtovb2005]

No, I never hope for a loss period. That's almost like you're against the skins.

Not "like your against the Skins" it is against the Skins :)

Someone asks me during the week what do you think the Skins will do this week? Answer is a look at them like they are nuts and the answer is yes, it has been the same every week for over 30 years.

[Meatsnack]

Wins matter. Whatever I think of Brunell or any player's ability on the field, it's all about the wins. Frankly, with his QB rating in the top of the league, if we were 4-2 instead of 2-4 no one would care about all the dropped would-be ints. It would be the "lefty spin on the ball" or some such nonsense. The only reason anyone cares at all who is at QB is that we are losing like dogs. Loser dogs. Dogs playing poker. Anyway, we are losing.

[Green-Is-Good]

I would never support the opposing team, and if we lose I will still be PISSED.
But Campbell being named the starter would be a positive thing to arise from a loss to Indy.

[Skinsguy1]

How is that not being loyal? Maybe not optimistic but there's no reason to question someone's loyalty. How many thread do I need to do this in?

I agree RedskinsDave

There's a big difference between the fan that hopes for a loss and the fan that wants to play spoiler.

At 2-4, the fan who wants to play spoiler might be more realistic than those that think this team can still make the playoffs.

Personally, I feel that the Skins could go on a run...we have the talent to do so...but if the skins keep losing, andi root for them to spoil other team's seasons, then in what way am I unloyal?

[greatest2]

19-0 season has been my prediction every year...,

this jus means that we will be 12-4 in the reg. and 3-0 in playoffs, maybe 4-0.

never change kid, skins win

[redwolf1218]

hoping for a loss is silly, because a loss wont do anything. only an injury will bring about a change, and that change would be to play Collins.

[ryflan47]

We're all Redskins fans here, right?

This thread is unbelieveable.

[redwolf1218]

19-0 season has been my prediction every year...,

this jus means that we will be 12-4 in the reg. and 3-0 in playoffs, maybe 4-0.

never change kid, skins win
actually, this is the way i am also. always hoping to beat the Dolphins' undefeated season, always thinking it's a possibility, always thinking we will win out.

[fent]

hoping the skins lose would be like hoping that Putin re-erects the wall!

[akhhorus]

hoping the skins lose would be like hoping that Putin re-erects the wall!

Joe Gibbs tear down this wall!

[RedskinsDave]

hoping the skins lose would be like hoping that Putin re-erects the wall!

He said erects!

[shally]

actually, this is the way i am also. always hoping to beat the Dolphins' undefeated season, always thinking it's a possibility, always thinking we will win out.

somebody needs to wipe the smirks off the old dolphin players.. they are more than annoying..

[Smiley]

Are you kidding me? Good grief.

[redwolf1218]

somebody needs to wipe the smirks off the old dolphin players.. they are more than annoying..
it's really hard to believe how long that record has stood in place. with the longer season, anyone who has home field clinched will rest their starters and lose at the end of the season.

[santanadasavior]

I never hope for a Skins loss. The only the thing that I want the Skins to lose is their losing streak.

[skinfan43]

We could be 0-4 instead of 2-4...
...just like last season, until we're mathematically out of the playoffs, I won't give up hope. A miracle win this week, and a week off, could work wonders with Dalass coming to town after the bye.
This is what I hope for.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

He said erects!
http://www.wisopinion.com/blogs/uploaded_images/BeavisButthead-711924.jpg
LOL

[redskinz#1fan]

How is that not being loyal? Maybe not optimistic but there's no reason to question someone's loyalty. How many thread do I need to do this in?

Because every time I turn around there is someone talking about how lets take the rest of our season and play spoiler for some other team. Why not try and regroup and get our season back together and do some damage ourselves?!

To me that is showing lack of loyalty. If you were married and everytime you and your wife got into an arguement, you said that's it lets go and get a divorce, that shows where your loyalty lies. In this scenario it's not with your wife.

Now back up to the skins....Times have gotten bad and people are jumping ship faster then they were jumping off the Titantic (which by the way was really sinking), and this doesn't does bring up questions about their loyalty!? Loyal fans (like myself for instance) know that times are bad, but this isn't the end of our team, or season. This team is capable of winning every game from here on out, and that's not really far fetched. This game is all about emotion and momentum swings. I have witnessed firsthand (own personal playing experiences) how a season can turn around for a team. It sometimes takes the smallest thing to send a team from one end of the spectrum to the other. So a loyal fan would know that we have a HOF coach running this team. We have Asst. coaches that could be head coaches for other teams in this league. We have talent across the board, at just about every position. We just have been lacking the fire & desire to put this whole thing together. What's to say that this all doesn't happen NOW!

My point is that a loyal fan would have faith in all the things I listed above and believe in what this team is capable of doing. I don't turn my back on my family & friends when times get bad for them or they aren't doing something the way that I think they should be doing it. I support them even more, because I know what their capable of because I have seen it. Well this team is my family, and I refuse to turn my back on my family when NOW is when they need us the most.

I have met quite a few of ya'll at games, and have developed a very good relationship (bond) with a few of you. Now this has only been taking place only within the last 6 months. These people that I'm referring to are like my family now. So I would do just about anything in this world for them. That is how loyal I am to my friends and family. Like I said this has all taken place over a 6 month timeframe. So just imagine how much love and loyalty that I have for a Redskins team that I have invested about 30 years of my life to!

[redwolf1218]

We could be 0-4 instead of 2-4...
...just like last season, until we're mathematically out of the playoffs, I won't give up hope. A miracle win this week, and a week off, could work wonders with Dalass coming to town after the bye.
This is what I hope for.
or we could be 6 and 0.

[ryflan47]

or we could be 6 and 0.

I wish

[fent]

Because every time I turn around there is someone talking about how lets take the rest of our season and play spoiler for some other team. Why not try and regroup and get our season back together and do some damage ourselves?!

To me that is showing lack of loyalty. If you were married and everytime you and your wife got into an arguement, you said that's it lets go and get a divorce, that shows where your loyalty lies. In this scenario it's not with your wife.

Now back up to the skins....Times have gotten bad and people are jumping ship faster then they were jumping off the Titantic (which by the way was really sinking), and this doesn't does bring up questions about their loyalty!? Loyal fans (like myself for instance) know that times are bad, but this isn't the end of our team, or season. This team is capable of winning every game from here on out, and that's not really far fetched. This game is all about emotion and momentum swings. I have witnessed firsthand (own personal playing experiences) how a season can turn around for a team. It sometimes takes the smallest thing to send a team from one end of the spectrum to the other. So a loyal fan would know that we have a HOF coach running this team. We have Asst. coaches that could be head coaches for other teams in this league. We have talent across the board, at just about every position. We just have been lacking the fire & desire to put this whole thing together. What's to say that this all doesn't happen NOW!

My point is that a loyal fan would have faith in all the things I listed above and believe in what this team is capable of doing. I don't turn my back on my family & friends when times get bad for them or they aren't doing something the way that I think they should be doing it. I support them even more, because I know what their capable of because I have seen it. Well this team is my family, and I refuse to turn my back on my family when NOW is when they need us the most.

I have met quite a few of ya'll at games, and have developed a very good relationship (bond) with a few of you. Now this has only been taking place only within the last 6 months. These people that I'm referring to are like my family now. So I would do just about anything in this world for them. That is how loyal I am to my friends and family. Like I said this has all taken place over a 6 month timeframe. So just imagine how much love and loyalty that I have for a Redskins team that I have invested about 30 years of my life to!

there's no lack of loyalty in someone saying this is a bad team right now. let's go back to the family analogy...if you're handling the finances for your family and consistently making bad decisions or gambling the money away should your wife not confront you for those bad decisions? ignoring the obvious problem and saying "we can just keep hoping this gets better" isn't loyalty...it's exacerbating the problems. right now, this team has a TON of problems that need to be addressed and the fans and media letting the team know they're messing up isn't disloyalty by any definition of the word.

[redwolf1218]

there's no lack of loyalty in someone saying this is a bad team right now. let's go back to the family analogy...if you're handling the finances for your family and consistently making bad decisions or gambling the money away should your wife not confront you for those bad decisions? ignoring the obvious problem and saying "we can just keep hoping this gets better" isn't loyalty...it's exacerbating the problems. right now, this team has a TON of problems that need to be addressed and the fans and media letting the team know they've messing up isn't disloyalty by any definition of the word.
true, however none of the problems are insurmountable at this point. we have a new offense being installed along with some new key players on offense, with all of them learning it, and on defense we have a bunch of injuries and new players being isntalled too. Springs and Prioleau getting hurt really hampered us, then Griffin and Salavea too.

[fent]

true, however none of the problems are insurmountable at this point. we have a new offense being installed along with some new key players on offense, with all of them learning it, and on defense we have a bunch of injuries and new players being isntalled too. Springs and Prioleau getting hurt really hampered us, then Griffin and Salavea too.

i agree that none of them are insurmountable, but overcoming all of them would be a miracle. the injuries especially are going to be very difficult to overcome. another big one will be the playcalling...Saunders is a proud, arguably arrogant, guy and getting him to change his playcalling will be like trying to ride a mule. throw in the complexity of the offense and it's a perfect storm.

[redwolf1218]

i agree that none of them are insurmountable, but overcoming all of them would be a miracle. the injuries especially are going to be very difficult to overcome. another big one will be the playcalling...Saunders is a proud, arguably arrogant, guy and getting him to change his playcalling will be like trying to ride a mule. throw in the complexity of the offense and it's a perfect storm.
i dont think it's a miracle, it's just dealing with what you have. all teams have injuries, you just have to overcome that. the playcalling sucks, i agree. we need to run it more.

[redskinz#1fan]

there's no lack of loyalty in someone saying this is a bad team right now. let's go back to the family analogy...if you're handling the finances for your family and consistently making bad decisions or gambling the money away should your wife not confront you for those bad decisions? ignoring the obvious problem and saying "we can just keep hoping this gets better" isn't loyalty...it's exacerbating the problems. right now, this team has a TON of problems that need to be addressed and the fans and media letting the team know they're messing up isn't disloyalty by any definition of the word.


I'm not saying that we should ignore the problems that this team has right now. What I am saying is that in no way should we be talking about the draft pick that we're going to have for the upcoming draft, or that we should try and spoil other teams from making the playoffs. We need to still be trying to make the playoffs for ourselves. Pointing out the probelms and trying to come up with solutions is one thing, but jumping ship on the season is another. That's what I'm saying!

[fent]

i dont think it's a miracle, it's just dealing with what you have. all teams have injuries, you just have to overcome that. the playcalling sucks, i agree. we need to run it more.

overcoming injuries to both your starting DTs, and your best corner to make a playoff run is the very definition of a miracle.

[fent]

I'm not saying that we should ignore the problems that this team has right now. What I am saying is that in no way should we be talking about the draft pick that we're going to have for the upcoming draft, or that we should try and spoil other teams from making the playoffs. We need to still be trying to make the playoffs for ourselves. Pointing out the probelms and trying to come up with solutions is one thing, but jumping ship on the season is another. That's what I'm saying!

i still don't see that as disloyal...pessimistic, yes, disloyal, no...disloyal is BigSef thinking about becoming an Eagles fan ;)

[redwolf1218]

overcoming injuries to both your starting DTs, and your best corner to make a playoff run is the very definition of a miracle.
but the injuries to the tackles are not season-ending, and Springs is coming back too.

[fent]

but the injuries to the tackles are not season-ending, and Springs is coming back too.

true, but those injuries have already cost us at least 2 games (minnesota and tennessee) and played a major role in the other two losses. in the division we're in, we didn't have 4 games to play with like that.

[redskinz#1fan]

i still don't see that as disloyal...pessimistic, yes, disloyal, no...disloyal is BigSef thinking about becoming an Eagles fan ;)

Send him on his way! :lol1:

[redwolf1218]

true, but those injuries have already cost us at least 2 games (minnesota and tennessee) and played a major role in the other two losses. in the division we're in, we didn't have 4 games to play with like that.
i'm not sure if those injuries had a major factor in our losses to minnesota and the other 2 losses. did we not play our starters in those games?

[shally]

i still don't see that as disloyal...pessimistic, yes, disloyal, no...disloyal is BigSef thinking about becoming an Eagles fan ;)

oh, barf.... that is too gross to even think of...

i might root for the saints, if the skins are eliminated, but no way i could root for the beagles, or cowpukes or midgets...

[Skin-E-Dip]

Its like this. Some people feel that if you say anything critical of Bush or the war than you are not being American or patriotic. And if you say something negative about the Skins some people take that as not being a real fan or having real love for the team. But for someone to say they are about to become a Eagle fan is shameful and would be like an American upset at current politics using that as an excuse to join sone terror group

[Skin-E-Dip]

oh, barf.... that is too gross to even think of...

i might root for the saints, if the skins are eliminated, but no way i could root for the beagles, or cowpukes or midgets...

Yea the Saints beating the Eagles definitely made them my favorite team outside of Skindom this year. Plus cant get enough of Reggie Bush - Texans are sooo dumb

[shally]

Yea the Saints beating the Eagles definitely made them my favorite team outside of Skindom this year. Plus cant get enough of Reggie Bush - Texans are sooo dumb

charlie casserley's legacy.. the gift that keeps on giving... to the saints..:lol1:

[akhhorus]

Its like this. Some people feel that if you say anything critical of Bush or the war than you are not being American or patriotic. And if you say something negative about the Skins some people take that as not being a real fan or having real love for the team. But for someone to say they are about to become a Eagle fan is shameful and would be like an American upset at current politics using that as an excuse to join sone terror group

Put away the martyr card, you're not one(and political one too, comparing this to terrorism is just ridiculous). No one has questioning fanhood (except BIGSEF, who declared his love for the Eagles in 2004, sort of). Just the level of the ridiculous or not. Rooting for a loss or an injury is ridiculous.

[70chip-on-1]

I'm not saying that we should ignore the problems that this team has right now. What I am saying is that in no way should we be talking about the draft pick that we're going to have for the upcoming draft, or that we should try and spoil other teams from making the playoffs. We need to still be trying to make the playoffs for ourselves. Pointing out the probelms and trying to come up with solutions is one thing, but jumping ship on the season is another. That's what I'm saying!

I don't plan to justify my "level" of loyalty here, because I bleed B&G! I feel DIRE pain after losses and basically just, relief when we win. its bad.HAH!

I love your blind enthusiasm however! Its just that I don't live in your world. I live in a world of reality where your only as good as your record. After SIX games we are at the bottom of the NFC EAST. BOTTOM. And frankly we are getting worse, not better. I wouldn't be surprised if my 0-2 week prediction was correct and we in the midst of a lockeroom mutiny. It's probably why Gibbs keeps saying "were in it together, were in it together"! because in reality he knows the lockeroom is about to crack, breakdown, and begin sounding off with player meetings and press leaks. Gibbs just doesnt want it public yet.

Besides, in my mind, if I were to continue to hold onto REAL hope of postseason bliss I'd go POSTAL as we slowly spiraled to the point of mathematical elimination. I've decided to change my outlook on the season. I plan to enjoy EVERY game for what it is..a GAME. If we win then I'm happy and have bragging rights for the week. IF we lose, then it blows.. but I can still look foward to next game without worrying about that it doesn't matter anymore etc.. I plan to enjoy this soap opera through week 17!

[Axegrinder]

Playing for a loss is like playing for a draft pick.

[Skins57]

I have not gone through and read all these but you know when I see a Skins fan even mention hoping for a loss....... Sorry but Mark is not the biggest problem on this team. I am not the smartest football guys x's and o's but the ast I heard the Qb does not defend the run or pass. this offense scored 22 points vs a team that held manning and company in check.. if the defense would have held up its end of the deal we would not be having this discussion. Haven't we gone through this before with Ramsey..... don't get it. there are likely 25-28 teams that want better play from the QB. Mark is the 11th rated Qb in the league 86.9, ahead of Matt Hasselbeck, Brady leftwich etc. I don't get it

[Skins57]

Its like this. Some people feel that if you say anything critical of Bush or the war than you are not being American or patriotic. And if you say something negative about the Skins some people take that as not being a real fan or having real love for the team. But for someone to say they are about to become a Eagle fan is shameful and would be like an American upset at current politics using that as an excuse to join sone terror group


you can disagree with Bush (I do) but if I ever say I hope we lose the war in Iraq... seems a little strange to me.
Saying something negitive towards teh skins is one thing but hoping for a loss is about equal. When you make a comment like that you should flat out expect to get ripped by your fellow fans

[Green-Is-Good]

Akhhorus,
Mate I hope that avator is meant to be ironic.

As for the topic, I do not think that acknowledging that good things COULD arise from a loss necessarily equates to rooting against your team.

[28thegreat]

the problem is that evenif we beat indy, we have been so inconsistent that i will be holding my breath with each subsequent game wondering if we will experience the same thing as what happened after the jax win.
this team needs to become more consistent from week to week. that wont happen until the defense asserts itself
And they consistently give Portis the ball.

[redskinz#1fan]

I love your blind enthusiasm however! Its just that I don't live in your world. I live in a world of reality where your only as good as your record. After SIX games we are at the bottom of the NFC EAST. BOTTOM. And frankly we are getting worse, not better!


First of all, what I have isn't blind enthusiasm. I have genuine love for this team, dating back several years. I have followed this team all over the map, no matter where they were going. Not once during all my travels, did I ever stop to think if I was wasting my time doing so. To me going to see the skins play is like going to my daughter's soccer game. You go to see the game and the ones that you love play. You go to show your "SUPPORT" for the team, regardless of the outcome.

I'm not going to even touch on this magical place that I supposedly live in, since where you live is called reality! :rolleyes: I guess in reality world far superior teams never lose to inferior teams?

[smoak]

Consider this thread as proof of why I'm not around much.

[fent]

Consider this thread as proof of why I'm not around much.

smoak, everyone here has bashed the guy who started the thread for having such a ludicrous idea. just calm down man...you're going to have a stroke.

[Redskinmayhem]

i still don't see that as disloyal...pessimistic, yes, disloyal, no...disloyal is BigSef thinking about becoming an Eagles fan ;)
lol...poor guy- three seasons later and this still gets brought up hahaha...well, he needs to have his Redskins Soul purified before he can be re-accepted into the Skins Nation lol.

[oldskinfan]

I think Skin-E gets the public sentiment on his comments about how wanting a loss is very lame for a fan, though he is entitled to his opinion.

His thought is simply a "harsher" version of what has been discussed on many other threads this week which is that if the skins lose or struggle, our hope is that some good comes out of that situation and that maybe JC will give us a peek at what lies in the future (which we hope is a McNabb-like leader).

Put another way, if Brunell struggles and Collins comes in and lights it up and we win 30-21, and a QB controversy comes up, I will take that kind of win over another demoralizing loss. It will force Joe G. to be true to his word and be open minded about making any change necessary for the team to win.

[smoak]

smoak, everyone here has bashed the guy who started the thread for having such a ludicrous idea. just calm down man...you're going to have a stroke.

I should publicly apologize for that comment as it isn't exactly what I meant...

I'm just BEYOND hurt and frustrated. I'm beyond angry and disappointed. And then I see a thread entitled "Anyone hoping for a loss"!!! I probably won't have a stroke but I'm so mad my chest is killing me. At least the players get to go out and hit someone.... What can I do? NOTHING! I have no control over anything and it is annoying. So I guess I'll just be quiet until the game Sunday.

I'm just an emotional person and I am probably at a breaking point with everything. I know this team is better than they've played and hopefully they show it on Sunday. I won't say another negative word.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I would never want to lose a game no matter what. Brunell will lose his job eventually anyways. Unless we get into the playoffs from this whole, and then he might be here for another 5 years.

[CNYSkinFan]

Can someone change the title of this thread...just seeing it is depressing me. the whole hoping for a loss thing makes me want to puke

[skinfan43]

I should publicly apologize for that comment as it isn't exactly what I meant...

I'm just BEYOND hurt and frustrated. I'm beyond angry and disappointed. And then I see a thread entitled "Anyone hoping for a loss"!!! I probably won't have a stroke but I'm so mad my chest is killing me. At least the players get to go out and hit someone.... What can I do? NOTHING! I have no control over anything and it is annoying. So I guess I'll just be quiet until the game Sunday.

I'm just an emotional person and I am probably at a breaking point with everything. I know this team is better than they've played and hopefully they show it on Sunday. I won't say another negative word.
Hey pal, so do we get together to watch this one? Maybe help reverse the trend or something? Line up the beatings? 22's?
Keep your faith up bro, this season ain't over yet...

[SellerDoor45]

Ok, Ok, Ok.

I have to come clean. I think this thread was started because of something that I said in another thread.....


"I know this might be Blasphamy but.....

Is there a little birdie in the back of your mind saying..."I pray that we beat the Colts, but if we are going to lose, please lose badly...."

I know this is bad to think of ....... but you and I know that the only way Gibbs will start Campbell before our 7th loss would take a horrific performance this week by MB and the offense.

Please don't tear me a new one for this comment, but you know that it is the only way to see Campbell after the bye week.

Beat the Colts at all costs"

I am one of the most loyal fans in the world. I was just trying to point out the stubborness of J. Gibbs.

I would never hope for a loss. I hope we win out and I don't care who leads us. Brunnell can find the fountain of youth and win three Super Bowls in a row for us, I don't care.

I was just trying to make a point. My bad.

[dj_stouty]

I was just trying to point out the stubborness of J. Gibbs.

Do you think Gibbs would ever put his loyalty to one player above the entire team, front office, fellow coaching staff and the fanbase? I just dont' see this happening. I believe Gibbs thinks this team can win with Brunell (as he was the lone person to think this last year...) and he is sticking that that assertation.

I believe 100% that Gibbs would start JC today if he thought he would give the Redskins an edge. If we should raise an eyebrow at anything....it should be that. In his Press Conference he said he wasn't opposed to making a change...so maybe he is "close"...or maybe he is not.

How can you be stubborn or "guilty to a fault" if you have assessed the situation and believe to be making the right decision? Factor in the fact that this a 3-ring winner who has a bust in the HOF...and I find it hard to argue his decision process. ESPECIALLY since none of us have watched JC throw a pass since the preseason...

[fent]

I should publicly apologize for that comment as it isn't exactly what I meant...

I'm just BEYOND hurt and frustrated. I'm beyond angry and disappointed. And then I see a thread entitled "Anyone hoping for a loss"!!! I probably won't have a stroke but I'm so mad my chest is killing me. At least the players get to go out and hit someone.... What can I do? NOTHING! I have no control over anything and it is annoying. So I guess I'll just be quiet until the game Sunday.

I'm just an emotional person and I am probably at a breaking point with everything. I know this team is better than they've played and hopefully they show it on Sunday. I won't say another negative word.

smoak, i was hoping i wouldn't have to do this...but take a step back man...this team is NOT your family. are they great? yeah. do we love supporting them? definitely. do we have fun tailgating and cheering them on? you bet your ass we do. but that's where it ends. they're not going to be there to comfort you when your parents pass away or to congratulate you when your child is born in a couple months. they're not even going to be there after the game for you to go grab McDonald's with like your own kids will be. it's not worth it to put yourself in a crappy mood all week or make yourself sick over a loss, even as bad as the last couple have been.

[hail2skins]

Can someone change the title of this thread...just seeing it is depressing me. the whole hoping for a loss thing makes me want to pukeI think it helps identify the author and their thought process.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think it helps identify the author and their thought process.
yeah.....maybe the best way to get rid of this thread is to stop posting in it. This will be my last post in it. I want it off the front page.

[HailVictory]

First of all, what I have isn't blind enthusiasm. I have genuine love for this team, dating back several years. I have followed this team all over the map, no matter where they were going. Not once during all my travels, did I ever stop to think if I was wasting my time doing so. To me going to see the skins play is like going to my daughter's soccer game. You go to see the game and the ones that you love play. You go to show your "SUPPORT" for the team, regardless of the outcome.

I'm not going to even touch on this magical place that I supposedly live in, since where you live is called reality! :rolleyes: I guess in reality world far superior teams never lose to inferior teams?
I read this thread early this am, and decided to wait until after work to respond so I'd have some time to ponder this. Skinz#1fan said it better than I ever could, hail!

[HailVictory]

smoak, i was hoping i wouldn't have to do this...but take a step back man...this team is NOT your family. are they great? yeah. do we love supporting them? definitely. do we have fun tailgating and cheering them on? you bet your ass we do. but that's where it ends. they're not going to be there to comfort you when your parents pass away or to congratulate you when your child is born in a couple months. they're not even going to be there after the game for you to go grab McDonald's with like your own kids will be. it's not worth it to put yourself in a crappy mood all week or make yourself sick over a loss, even as bad as the last couple have been.
Man I hate to keep this thread going, but I really am feeling both of you guys. Smoak- I got the same thing going on. I'm pissy till Wednesday after a game like last weekend;giddy as a schoolgirl after woopen Dallass. I ain't proud of my obvious character flaw, and sometimes wish I wasn't so affected by my passions. Fent's point of view is also well taken, but I might add that I don't require the skins to be there for me figuratively in time of need. They are part of so many memories with my Dad that they are in the fabric of my life, woven deep. Call me crazy, tell me I'm trippen and to chill out, but this team is a real passion forme. I know, get a life.

[AliBabba]

Man I hate to keep this thread going, but I really am feeling both of you guys. Smoak- I got the same thing going on. I'm pissy till Wednesday after a game like last weekend;giddy as a schoolgirl after woopen Dallass. I ain't proud of my obvious character flaw, and sometimes wish I wasn't so affected by my passions. Fent's point of view is also well taken, but I might add that I don't require the skins to be there for me figuratively in time of need. They are part of so many memories with my Dad that they are in the fabric of my life, woven deep. Call me crazy, tell me I'm trippen and to chill out, but this team is a real passion forme. I know, get a life.
agreed ... i told Jeremy I wouldn't post until Wednesday at the soonest this week because I was SO angry I couldn't possibly have anything good to say. I have been walking around this week like I just lost a testicle.... I think I am having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that we are not likely to be a contender and we are not likely to crush the gints, eaglets, or cowgirls. even so i would never hope for a loss. the season can still be salvaged, i have seen this team go from 0-5 to 5-0 and from 5-6 to 10-6 (with brunell) so anything can happen.

i am ready for JC though ... actually i am really, really, really ready.

[MPCSkins]

Gibbs said that he is not afraid to make a change but he feels they have the best chance to win with Brunell in. I think we might see Campbell sooner than we may have thought if Gibbs is saying this. We'll see what happens.

[dthoren]

I just ordered some Redskins fleece from Hancock Fabrics online, and I'm going to make myself some pajamas!

Now let's have no more talk of hoping for losses.:)

[redwolf1218]

Man I hate to keep this thread going, but I really am feeling both of you guys. Smoak- I got the same thing going on. I'm pissy till Wednesday after a game like last weekend;giddy as a schoolgirl after woopen Dallass. I ain't proud of my obvious character flaw, and sometimes wish I wasn't so affected by my passions. Fent's point of view is also well taken, but I might add that I don't require the skins to be there for me figuratively in time of need. They are part of so many memories with my Dad that they are in the fabric of my life, woven deep. Call me crazy, tell me I'm trippen and to chill out, but this team is a real passion forme. I know, get a life.
that is the same for me. my dad, my brothers, and now my 12-year old son are part of this. it is something that brings us together somehow, and the passion runs deep. it's not like baseball, basketball or hockey, where's they play 50 million games each season. every game is important and each loss is a let-down that rips your heart out.

[rusty73]

that is the same for me. my dad, my brothers, and now my 12-year old son are part of this. it is something that brings us together somehow, and the passion runs deep. it's not like baseball, basketball or hockey, where's they play 50 million games each season. every game is important and each loss is a let-down that rips your heart out.
The Redskins are athe life blood of this city and have been since I can't remember. I'm 51 and bought my first season ticket when I was 12 for the mighty sum of 42 dollars. That was Paper route money. Of course that was a 14 game season at 6 dollars a game, I don't believe you can get a beer for that now, but I digress, I have seen the good and died with the bad but throughout they are still MY Redskins it just pains us so much when they don't do well. When you bleed Burgundy and Gold, this is not some daliance, it's a passion. Hell I can't wait for something to read, any damn thing to read about my skins in the off season. It almost not even worth picking up the paper if there isn't going to be something in there about them. The Point is, We stand with them in good time and bad and as painful as that is when they come around you stand there on Sunday after a win and sometimes you just have to wipe the tear from your eyes when you see them bring a victory Home. Like when they were introduced in RFK after, well you name the year, SUPERBOWL! We're all in this together, um sounds familiar. Hold your ground Ladies and Gentlemen, they still are OUR SKINS

[BurgundyNGold]

The Redskins are athe life blood of this city and have been since I can't remember. I'm 51 and bought my first season ticket when I was 12 for the mighty sum of 42 dollars. That was Paper route money. Of course that was a 14 game season at 6 dollars a game, I don't believe you can get a beer for that now, but I digress, I have seen the good and died with the bad but throughout they are still MY Redskins it just pains us so much when they don't do well. When you bleed Burgundy and Gold, this is not some daliance, it's a passion. Hell I can't wait for something to read, any damn thing to read about my skins in the off season. It almost not even worth picking up the paper if there isn't going to be something in there about them. The Point is, We stand with them in good time and bad and as painful as that is when they come around you stand there on Sunday after a win and sometimes you just have to wipe the tear from your eyes when you see them bring a victory Home. Like when they were introduced in RFK after, well you name the year, SUPERBOWL! We're all in this together, um sounds familiar. Hold your ground Ladies and Gentlemen, they still are OUR SKINS
Well said.

[skinfan43]

Man I hate to keep this thread going, but I really am feeling both of you guys. Smoak- I got the same thing going on. I'm pissy till Wednesday after a game like last weekend;giddy as a schoolgirl after woopen Dallass. I ain't proud of my obvious character flaw, and sometimes wish I wasn't so affected by my passions. Fent's point of view is also well taken, but I might add that I don't require the skins to be there for me figuratively in time of need. They are part of so many memories with my Dad that they are in the fabric of my life, woven deep. Call me crazy, tell me I'm trippen and to chill out, but this team is a real passion forme. I know, get a life.
Good post HV...
...and you're not crazy, just happily obsessed with the Skins!:)