Gibran Hamden

[Brokenstriker]

I was at the game last Saturday ... and I know he threw an INT and only had a few snaps ... but there is something about that kid that looks very very impressive ... he throws the ball with remarkable ease ... but the real impressive thing is that after he tossed the completion to the Pats' CB ... he not only chased him ....


*he caught him!

I wouldn't say he was the next Michael Vick ... but Hamden runs like a Safety and throws with an NFL caliber arm ... we might have a gem in the making with this guy (course we might not)

[hail2skins]

I noticed that he has a cannon of an arm like Ramsey. He could be a sleeper.

[Skaggsrules]

He threw a terrific pass to Richmond Flowers that impressed me

[TexSkin]

So does that me woeful is gone once the roster cuts come?

[jsarno]

I was under teh impression he is not signed with us anyway texskin. He's a F/A.

Gilbran is too raw...he needs a few years. Maybe he might turn into something with Spurrier's tutalage, who knows.

[Brokenstriker]

I've heard some people say that Gibran is practice squad fodder but I don't think they should risk it. They ought to keep him as the #3 QB and Woeful as the practice squad QB or better yet as a coach who could if really needed put on a uniform. I believe (or want to believe) that the Redskins brought Woeful in to camp for three valuable reasons:
1. Remind Johnson that nobody's job is a given
2. Coach Johnson much like he helped Ramsey last season
3. Cheap worst case (pun intended) emergency back-up if someone gets broken in pre-season (as well as the regular season, if Woeful is tied up with the Skins there isn't much chance he will pick-up with another team and should be in fairly good condition to walkin as a mid-season red-cross subsitution)

[jsarno]

poor danny...he gets no respect. He did VERY well last year in his brief appearances, and kicked ass it the preseason (lead the country in passer rating) just to lose the job to that bum Matthews (ole noodle arm). Danny's biggest problem was health.

I think we need to keep banks over hamden.

[Redskinmayhem]

I actually heard on sportstalk 980 that Hamden has a stronger arm than Ramsey. I too saw something in Hamden. Not sure what it is but he just looked very natural. Just remember, He was playing against guys who won't make the pats roster.

[J33Edwards]

Originally posted by jsarno


I think we need to keep banks over hamden.

banks is long gone...I think the team will keep Robjob and Danny and put Gibran on the practice squad...you get an extra spot for a QB and I don't think they have to worry about another team claiming him as he would have to be on their active roster for something like 3 weeks.

[PennSkinsFan]

I agree. I dont think there is any question about this.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally posted by jsarno
poor danny...he gets no respect. He did VERY well last year in his brief appearances, and kicked ass it the preseason (lead the country in passer rating) just to lose the job to that bum Matthews (ole noodle arm).

Smoke up Johnny, Wawful was horrible last year. He can't throw downfield which makes Coles worthless and he makes bad decisions.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by J33Edwards
banks is long gone...I think the team will keep Robjob and Danny and put Gibran on the practice squad...you get an extra spot for a QB and I don't think they have to worry about another team claiming him as he would have to be on their active roster for something like 3 weeks.

I didn't realize we already dropped him.

How come the man who came in 2nd in the heisman can't find a job in the NFL. Banks has talent.

[J33Edwards]

from everything i read the skins didn't give banks too much of a chance to show what he had...but when he did he was not impressive at all.

[SkinsKY]

Charlie Ward won it and he's playing Basketball...Athletes win awards in college, but not all are football players. Banks got by in a college system that fit his style. He's not a great fit for the NFL imo. Sad? yes, anything we can do about? no

[J33Edwards]

Originally posted by jsarno
I didn't realize we already dropped him.

How come the man who came in 2nd in the heisman can't find a job in the NFL. Banks has talent.

Wheres Crouch ;)

[jsarno]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
Smoke up Johnny, Wawful was horrible last year. He can't throw downfield which makes Coles worthless and he makes bad decisions.

Hey, I'm not saying he's a stud, just saying he gets no respect. How come he wasn't named the starter after the preseason with a GREAT preseason? Matthews was named instead. That was wrong. Wuerrfel deserved it.
I'm not saying he should be considered like Dan Marino or anything just not getting any respect.

I looked again...it's saying that Danny is a F/A. Not signed with the skins.

[jsarno]

yeah, but Crouch, Ward, Banks were not given chances...in fact ALL were discriminated against due to their height.

[RedskinsDave]

They all got a chance. They went to combines and got looks at private workouts. They just don't have the arms or size needed to play with the big boys. Don't even talk to me about Flutie either or I'll drags his stats out and no one wants to sees those.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by champbailey
Charlie Ward won it and he's playing Basketball...Athletes win awards in college, but not all are football players. Banks got by in a college system that fit his style. He's not a great fit for the NFL imo. Sad? yes, anything we can do about? no
just like another heisman trophy winner that didnt do sheat when he got to the nfl (ok guys say it with me ............Daaaannnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyy wwwwwwwooooooooeeeeeeeefffffuuuuuullllllllllllll) BTW when was the time a heisman winner ever did anything. dayne hasnt done much either. what about weinke???? just cause you are good in college doesnt mean in any way that you will be good in the pros. enuff said.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Danny Wuerffel got a bit more flak than he deserved last year, but let's be clear here. He was never anything more than a good playcaller with a subpar arm. He ran Spurrier's system well, but just couldn't make the throws that were needed, and it showed when he tried to anyway.

Now, as for Gibran Hamdan, yes, he did look very powerful in the pocket on Saturday. Great arm, nice size, could do well given a lot of time. I'd lean more towards assigning him the #3 slot and hoping DW sticks around as a coach than moving him to the practice squad.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Danny Wuerffel got a bit more flak than he deserved last year, but let's be clear here. He was never anything more than a good playcaller with a subpar arm. He ran Spurrier's system well, but just couldn't make the throws that were needed, and it showed when he tried to anyway.

Now, as for Gibran Hamdan, yes, he did look very powerful in the pocket on Saturday. Great arm, nice size, could do well given a lot of time. I'd lean more towards assigning him the #3 slot and hoping DW sticks around as a coach than moving him to the practice squad.
i have to agree JDS about putting DW in a coachs shirt and putting hamdan in as #3 so there is absolutely no way someone takes him away from us. if i'm not mistaken if a player is on the practice squad he can be signed away by another team right?

[skinswin'emALL]

Woeful is not eligible for the practice squad -- he has played regular season games in the NFL

[JoeDaSchmoe]

That's right, Hampton.

[Brokenstriker]

frankly I really admire Danny, but I don't want him playing QB for the Redskins ... be nice to see him sign on as a coach ... they make it sound like he may understand Spurrier's offense as well as Spurrier ... be a nice asset

just file it away ... I think we'll like the rookie QB when he eventually gets a chance to really play ... he really did look like throwing the ball was just plain easy ... and he out ran a defensive back who had nothing but wide open spaces in front of him for a roster-making pre-season INT for a TD ... cept for this rookie QB who cornered him at the sideline

[AustinSkins]

I'm telling you - he's the next SAGE!!! Let's jump on his bandwagon before Miami gets him!

[Redbeard]

I'm not buying into Hamden on that. They threw Hamden into a 2min drill to close the game. Looked like nothing at all.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Woeful is not eligible for the practice squad -- he has played regular season games in the NFL

Can we protest this claim by the NFL?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
Smoke up Johnny, Wawful was horrible last year. He can't throw downfield which makes Coles worthless and he makes bad decisions.

I don't think it's so much a case of bad decisions that Danny makes, its that the decisions he can make are limited by his arm strength, or lack thereof. I think he makes the best decisions in this offense with the physical skills he has available. No one knows the offense better than him.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Brokenstriker
I've heard some people say that Gibran is practice squad fodder but I don't think they should risk it. They ought to keep him as the #3 QB and Woeful as the practice squad QB or better yet as a coach who could if really needed put on a uniform. I believe (or want to believe) that the Redskins brought Woeful in to camp for three valuable reasons:
1. Remind Johnson that nobody's job is a given
2. Coach Johnson much like he helped Ramsey last season
3. Cheap worst case (pun intended) emergency back-up if someone gets broken in pre-season (as well as the regular season, if Woeful is tied up with the Skins there isn't much chance he will pick-up with another team and should be in fairly good condition to walkin as a mid-season red-cross subsitution)

The best place for Hamdan is the PS. He will not help anyteam win a game this year, he is just too raw and doesn't know enough about reading a defense. Does he have the physical ability, without a doubt. If he is on the PS, he will be safe, he cannot be signed to another teams PS from a PS. The only risk in trying to get him on the PS is another team signing him after he has been cut in the final roster moves after preseason week 4.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Woeful is not eligible for the practice squad -- he has played regular season games in the NFL
actually i was talking about Hamdan not woeful going to the practice squad.

[Patrick]

Danny will be the #3 QB this year. I really hope he realizes soon the his talents would be better suited as a coach - if not the NFL maybe college (like his Oldball Coach).
Hamdan is going to the practice squad at least for this year. He's a good project (best in the year's draft) QB. IF a better project comes along he's gone. That's SS style.

[PennSkinsFan]

Guys, Wuerffel was brought in as a mentor. Period. And to jump start and push RJ, which he did. Wuerffel will nto see a snap unless Ram and RJ both get injured, and if we get to that point, the DW woudl be the best fit because he knws the offense. Don't friggin get worked up over this DW thing. His presence here is meant to keep ramsey focused and keep him learning the Spurrier system.

[hail2skins]

Then add him to the coaching staff and don't take up a position on the team if he's meant to tutor Ramsey.

[PennSkinsFan]

I agree Mike, but like i said in that Post, DW is here in case Ram and RJ both go down. i think we would all want a QB that at least knows the system if things get that bad.

[hail2skins]

True, but can he get the ball to all of that speed that we have now? He has no arm for the long ball, so what does that do for Coles?

[jsarno]

I see Buddha's redskin page (the redskins bible if you ask me) has DW as being brought back. How come no one said he was let go as a UFA, then resigned recently? All this time I thought you guys were just "guessing" he'd come back, or assumed he never left.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Buddha has a more up to date team roster than the Redskin's own website. How sad is that?

Buddha is always on the ball. His site is the bible and his word is the gospel.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273
Buddha has a more up to date team roster than the Redskin's own website. How sad is that?

That is pretty sad. This is what I've been noticing, and why I've been wondering why everyone thought he was back with the team.

Buddha is always on the ball. His site is the bible and his word is the gospel.

LOVE his site. For all of you that don't know it, here it is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~wahoofamily/redskins.htm

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by jsarno
I see Buddha's redskin page (the redskins bible if you ask me) has DW as being brought back. How come no one said he was let go as a UFA, then resigned recently? All this time I thought you guys were just "guessing" he'd come back, or assumed he never left.

It was in a thread a while ago....You just must have missed it....but it was reported.


There ya go: http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3310

[jsarno]

Originally posted by jporterweb
It was in a thread a while ago....You just must have missed it....but it was reported.

Guess I did...sorry! :D

Thanks for saying that though...now I understand why I was ignored. My bad fellas.

[Skinzaholic]

Woeful has great character and tat is why they brought him in to do the job he is doing. He is a very likable guy with a great attitude and the brains to go with it. He and Ramsey got along great and he helped Ram alot last year (unselfishy)... That is exactly what Ramsey needed this year as well.

Weful's problem is his lack of talent and stength... and he wont ever be able to overcome that. It is my opinion that he knows this ishis last harrah in the big league. I would guess he is already talking to Spurrier about a job for the future... wouldn't be surprised to see him on the coaching staff next year.

[skinswin'emALL]

Hamdam will be the nest Stan Humphries!!

[Brokenstriker]

Originally posted by hail2skins
True, but can he get the ball to all of that speed that we have now? He has no arm for the long ball, so what does that do for Coles?

I've sent this question to the rocket scientists in the backroom and they tell me ...

if the passer in question were to throw the football into a ballistic flight maximum ground range distance is achieved utilizing a 45 degree trajectory relative to the ground assuming level ground ... and assuming spin-stabalized flight dynamics ... the ball traveling at 10 yards per second on average velocity will require the passer to ... ummm ...

no

he doesn't have the arm for the long ball ... it does ... let me see ... right ... nothing for Coles ... nothing whatsoever

[TexSkin]

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
Hamdam will be the nest Stan Humphries!!

By that you mean we will groom him only for him to become a QB for another team? If so then dump him now. ;)

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
By that you mean we will groom him only for him to become a QB for another team? If so then dump him now. ;)

:lol1:

by the time Ramsey becomes that good (if ever), we won't have any money to give him with the other massive contracts on the team.