Saints Trade DT Martin Chase to Skins!!!

[Saints Fan in Austin]

I got this from ESPN.com:

Rebuffed in their attempts to deal for defensive tackle Ted Washington, the Washington Redskins recovered on Wednesday by trading for Martin Chase, a six-year veteran who has spent most of his career with the New Orleans Saints.

New Orleans will receive a seventh-round choice in the 2004 draft. The selection can escalate to a sixth-rounder if Chase participates in more than 40 percent of the defensive snaps this season.

For the rest of the article, click here: Skins trade for Chase (http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/misc/1599726.html)

They really wanted Kenny Smith though...

[hail2skins]

Thanks for info Saints Fan. We've heard nothing here yet. Only that they have had active talks.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Another career backup? Will this help at all?

[hail2skins]

I don't think so JDS, but we do need some bodies here.

[TexSkin]

Sigh so more training dummies for Offensive lineman


edit: read nthe whole article..now i know

[TexSkin]

Oh btw Saints Fan in Austin, thanks for the info...since your a Saints fan what can ya tell us about this guy?

[Saints Fan in Austin]

He's pretty solid. He was even introduced as the 3rd starting DT last season during team intro's. He's a run stuffer and will make the team better. Was on of the reasons they let La'Roi Glover go. They wanted bigger run stoppers.

[jsarno]

i like your assessment saints fan...I hope he can provide that kind of stability. He'll be well worth a 6th rounder if he performs like you are implying.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i got this from another saints fan on thenflforum.com:

Chase is basically a cheap Grady Jackson. He has the size, decent speed for an interior Dlinemn, and can consume multiple blockers. He has a tendency to come in overwieght, but when in shape he is a formatable linemen. He has started 5 games for us in the last 2 years and has been an important part of the rotation spelling Hand/Jackson. Can play either the NT or 3 tech postion, though is better suited at the NT. He will not give you much pass rush, but will shore up the running defense and take up multiple blocks allowing your LB's to penetrate. Does have a tendency to get pushed around though. In the Eagles preseason game my brother-in-law mad the comment he looked winded very early on. Conditioning has been a big key for him (seems like a lot of DT's have that problem). But if healthy he is at least an average linemen.

I really think you got a decent deal for a 7th rounder. I was hoping for a 6th or maybe even a 5th for him. He was originally drafted in the 5th round by the Baltimore Ravens, leaving after one year (don't remember if he was traded) to come to New Orleans. IMO, he should be starting for you guys at NT. Though he is not the greatest talent in the NFL (as you can probally tell by the 7th round comp) he is a formadable linemen that will shore up your Dline.

[TexSkin]

Well at least he sounds like he might be competent for this year.

[BigCountry]

They can trade for backups all they like, after all the neglection on the d-line, I think the only thing that will save it is if they build it up from scratch which they they'll have to do next season. Since this guy is 29 years old, you know that this is another patch up job by our genius front office on one of the most important aspects of the game.

[PennSkinsFan]

Botttom line of what i have read it he is a capable run stopper, big guy. Can plug the middle. This is all you need to know. Played 13 games and had 23 tackles, Big daddy played 17 and had 17 tackles. What we need a big plug in the middle to stop the running attack. We may have gotten that.

[AGibbsGirl]

Desperate times, call for desperate measures...
Does anyone know if he came cheap?

[J33Edwards]

Chase is in the final year of his contract and is making 530,000. Courtesy of NFLPA.ORG

[rhyno]

Wahington post also stated that the FO is still actively looking for another dt and might sign one by the end of the day..



link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20219-2003Aug20.html)

[jsarno]

sounds like he'll do fine for us...we need super stars, just enough to plug holes and let our other strengths take over.

[J33Edwards]

while i was on nflpa.org checking out Chase's contract here is Daltons (I know he isn't supposed to be coming...but I was still curious)

2003 1600000.00
2004 1800000.00
2005 3000000.00
2006 3000000.00
2007 3000000.00
2008 3000000.00

obviously whoever takes him will be able to play with it a little since they won't be responsible for whatever Bonus money the Broncos gave him.

[PennSkinsFan]

Problem being is this reminds me of the offensiveline last season where we scramble peopel around, try quick fixes. Bottom line, we upgraded many psotions int he off season, but we all knew going in that DL, and in particular, DT was a big issue, yet they patched it up with career backups. That is all we will get now.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Botttom line of what i have read it he is a capable run stopper, big guy. Can plug the middle. This is all you need to know. Played 13 games and had 23 tackles, Big daddy played 17 and had 17 tackles. What we need a big plug in the middle to stop the running attack. We may have gotten that.

I have to agree with you PSF he may bring pretty much the same thing as Wilkinson did or better.I dont really believe Noble was much better than this guy so we atleast recoverd what we lost with his injury.
I wonder what was up with the article about chase that said we were still attempting to sign other DTs and may sign one as early as today?Anyone Know who they were referring to?

[PennSkinsFan]

Maybe Dalton is still in the mix. Maybe the Broncos were bluffing. Here is a snippet fromt he Denver Post

"The Denver Post reports the Denver Broncos told the Washington Redskins on Tuesday that they have a trade in place for DT Lional Dalton. Only as of Tuesday night, Dalton was unaware of any deal. "I don't know anything," Dalton said. "I'm sure somebody would have told me something by now." What the Broncos told the Redskins, according to an NFL source, is that they have agreed to trade Dalton for a draft pick. Not a conditional draft pick, but an actual pick. The Broncos gave the Redskins the chance to match the offer, but Washington declined. Another team said to be interested in Dalton was the Jacksonville Jaguars. However, a Jaguars spokesman said he had not heard of his team striking a deal."


Seems like no one knows what deal Denver was using as leverage with the Skins.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I dont care if they were bluffing just do the deal Dan.Realistically with Dalton and Chase and Hailey rotating we could be decent up front.Giving the younger guys a chance to play in spot roles until they develop.

[Keino]

WTF!!!!!

What are we now going to scour the league's cuts and get a bunch of back-ups? Are we going to try to combine 2 backups into 1 starter........Put 2 guys in 1 Uniform?

This pisses me off. How in the world do you cut 2 Starters without having a concrete plan to replace them. Even before Noble' s injury..........

[NCskinsfanatic]

I dont like it but Daltons capable of starting so i think it would put us a little better or atleast as good as going in with Noble and Hailey.

[ddilbeck]

What the hell happened with Ted Washington??? Why did we not get him? I thought he was on the top of our list!

[TexSkin]

Yeah just give the Broncos their dam pick and quit playing dumb. This guys sounds like he would make a decent starter here and said he would reduce his salary.

[PennSkinsFan]

Exactly my point in another thread Keino. They knew they would not pay Gardener what he wanted because they had a bold aggressive plan to upgrade Wr and OL. Great. Do they not knwo their own player salaries???? Did they not know along time ago that Big daddy was a $3.5 mil salary that simply did not deserve the kind of money? Did they really think after Gardener left that Big daddy was goinbt to restructure for a third time or take a pay cut? Yet, we walk out of the Draft with no DT, walk out of free agency with Brandon Noble, and Jermain Haley, neither of which add up to Gardener. Its liek they were so focused on upgrading the offense that they simply had not plan for the DLine. Thsi just makes no sense to me at all. Now they are putting band aids on a gaping wound.


Originally posted by Keino
WTF!!!!!

What are we now going to scour the league's cuts and get a bunch of back-ups? Are we going to try to combine 2 backups into 1 starter........Put 2 guys in 1 Uniform?

This pisses me off. How in the world do you cut 2 Starters without having a concrete plan to replace them. Even before Noble' s injury..........

[Keino]

Well Mark, unless we score 50 pts per game (which is doubtful, because we still lack the ability to pick a dayum blitz) we are in a world of Trouble.

[hail2skins]

Welcome to hR ddilbeck, glad you joined us.

[J33Edwards]

Originally posted by ddilbeck
What the hell happened with Ted Washington??? Why did we not get him? I thought he was on the top of our list!

we would have had to give up a third rounder to outbid the pats...thats way too steep a price to pay for a 35 year old DT who at best has one maybe two good years left.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I guess they(FO) just cant find the proper balance.Last year the money went to defense and they did pretty good other than BDW and Terrell.This year they spent the big money early on the offense b/c it sucked and couldnt afford more big names on d.I like what we did in the offseason but we basically ended up taking Jacobs with the pick they wouldve needed to use earlier on a DT.I really like jacobs and as long as we land Dalton we are better off than having kept BDW,hell Chase may be as good as BDW.I had less lofty expectations for this season ,9-7 at best.And depending on whether or not we cut down on penalties and dropped passes we may end up 7-9.I love the skins always have always will but i'm just not sure were there yet.If we can show improvement and make a playoff push,assuming we still have picks next year(no 4th or 7th already that i know of)we should address the d-line and probably safety and CB.Then next year we could take back whats rightfully ours.Hope im off by a year,really depends on the guys on the field.

[J33Edwards]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
I like what we did in the offseason but we basically ended up taking Jacobs with the pick they wouldve needed to use earlier on a DT.

I may not be understanding you correctly but did you want us to take a DT where we took Jacobs? If so, who?

[LuvSkins17]

We sucked with BDW before Gardener came, we would have sucked with him this year. I say we have some young career backups, then hopefully someone will emerge and want the position bad enough. I think we will miss Noble and his "Blue Collar", "Hard Hat" work ethic but I rather roll with how this is going before even hoping to bring back BDW. I know if we would have released BDW after last season, we may have been able to sign Gardener (who is currently injured).

I hope we can get Dalton. He said he would reduce his salary.

Wasn't it wild that BDW's old agent (that he fired after talks begain) stated that BDW should have took the Redskins offer. That lead me to think that BDW didn't want to be here anyway and from the way things played out he didn't want to participate in ANYONES TRAINING CAMP the lazy blah blah blah.

We have no choice but to roll with the punches now.......

hummmmmm........, Let's see what happens..............:whoknows:

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by J33Edwards
I may not be understanding you correctly but did you want us to take a DT where we took Jacobs? If so, who?
Sorry if it was confusing i think faster than i type.Im saying as far as everyone saying we shouldve taken a dt in the draft i would have been all for it but as you stated, who? i was saying i think we made the right choice which means we should not trade away next year for more mediocrity this year.I,however think if we could get Dalton we would be better off than we were going in with BDW,noble and Hailey.I say do it if we dont have to give up alot.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Exactly my point in another thread Keino. They knew they would not pay Gardener what he wanted because they had a bold aggressive plan to upgrade Wr and OL. Great. Do they not knwo their own player salaries???? Did they not know along time ago that Big daddy was a $3.5 mil salary that simply did not deserve the kind of money? Did they really think after Gardener left that Big daddy was goinbt to restructure for a third time or take a pay cut? Yet, we walk out of the Draft with no DT, walk out of free agency with Brandon Noble, and Jermain Haley, neither of which add up to Gardener. Its liek they were so focused on upgrading the offense that they simply had not plan for the DLine. Thsi just makes no sense to me at all. Now they are putting band aids on a gaping wound.
yes they will use band aids but i would almost guarantee that next year in the offseason, we take care of the defensive side of the ball, in particular the defensive line. i know we got alot of offensive players in the offseason( what did you really expect from SS) but they are signed for quite some time. now next year we will shore up the defensive side for quite some time and we wont need a band aid for the offense next year. all in due time mark, all in due time.also i like the fact that this guy is a bulk run stopper, now with the other tackles (Ladarius Jackson in particular) we have we will be able to send a speedy guy in while chase takes on two blockers( remind anyone of last season with BDW and gardener???).this may just work, and especially if we get dalton we should actually be out of hot water for now.

[Keino]

It's a sad state of affairs when we are looking to next year and we have yet to play our 3rd pre-season game. The FO keeps telling us they have a plan, yet seem to stumble over poor planning. We need D line help. Period. I don't care about next year, I care about this year. If we have to overpay in the short term to address the need, then I say do it...........

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by Keino
It's a sad state of affairs when we are looking to next year and we have yet to play our 3rd pre-season game. The FO keeps telling us they have a plan, yet seem to stumble over poor planning. We need D line help. Period. I don't care about next year, I care about this year. If we have to overpay in the short term to address the need, then I say do it...........
I agree keino but what i was saying is that you cant do everything all at once. it takes time that is all i was saying. as far as overpaying in the short term you may mess up your long term( i.e. Champ!!!!) so you have to still be aware of the long term. at times i think this FO can not chew bubble gum and pat their head at the same time. they seem to me IMO to be very Near sited. untill something blows up in their face and presents itself they do nothing about it. no forsight what so ever. but what do i know i'm just a fan LOL

['E']

I would like to see them still go after Dalton. I am hearing a 4th would get it done. He is still pretty young and very solid.

BTW, this is my 1st post since my re-instatement back to the forums. I went the way of Ryan Leaf..... ;)

[PennSkinsFan]

E welcome back to hR.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

We'd all like to see them still go after Dalton. What's with this supposed other deal? Denver's got an agreement with another team, and yet Dalton's still sitting there with a horse on the side of his helmet. What gives?

[Skins57]

If we can somehow still land Dalton I will be happy and willing to give the tackles chance before I say anything too harsh, but the Fo is fair game.

All I have to say is this. The front office was hell bent on making the offense better....did they haven't seen it yet. On paper yes they have but our offense last year in preseason was 10 better than this one. Yes I know it was preseason but... If SS offense struggles this year he may very well be on his way out. This may be why we had better hope we keep Betts and Watsons, becuase in a normal offense, Trung , I do not believe will thrive. Man if we do not improve this yer we are going to go through another rebuild and we blew this cap on this offense. Lets all pray for our sakes this offense and team improvea lot this year

[LuvSkins17]

Welcome Back "E"!


I couldn't agree with you more Skins57.

['E']

The 'other' deal is supposedly with the Jags from what I have read and heard. Why they would need him, I am not sure. They have Stroud and Henderson ( 2 stud DTs), unless it is just for depth. I suppose it couldn't hurt to have 3 solid DTs....lol.

[rskinsfan10]

I just saw some footage of him against us last year. He appears to be the big body up front that we want. I'm cautiously optimistic about what he will bring to the table for us.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

You mean Martin Chase, Kenny?

[IowaSkinsFan]

What about waiting till Tuesday and see who's available after the cuts?

[Patrick]

Chase could be had for the right price - 7th round draft pick (6th if he start 40% of the games).
Dalton - will cost us a 3th or 4th round draft pick. That might be too high of a price for what I consider a questionable starter.

In the next 12 days, every team has to reduce their rosters, IMO wait and see what becomes availible before we start GIVING away draft picks.

We still have two PS games to play, and we haven't even given the players we have now a chance to step up. Let's see what they got!!!

[Seebs]

Originally posted by LuvSkins17
We sucked with BDW before Gardener came, we would have sucked with him this year. I say we have some young career backups, then hopefully someone will emerge and want the position bad enough. I think we will miss Noble and his "Blue Collar", "Hard Hat" work ethic but I rather roll with how this is going before even hoping to bring back BDW. I know if we would have released BDW after last season, we may have been able to sign Gardener (who is currently injured).

I hope we can get Dalton. He said he would reduce his salary.

Wasn't it wild that BDW's old agent (that he fired after talks begain) stated that BDW should have took the Redskins offer. That lead me to think that BDW didn't want to be here anyway and from the way things played out he didn't want to participate in ANYONES TRAINING CAMP the lazy blah blah blah.

We have no choice but to roll with the punches now.......

hummmmmm........, Let's see what happens..............:whoknows:

I've read that BDW wanted to be cut in past february. Interesting regarding hi s commitment to the team!

[dj_stouty]

The Skins brought in Noble and Haley to bolster the D-line. Its too bad BDW wouldn't restructure...and even worse Noble got injured. The FO did address the position this offseason, but no one would expect season ending injury would criple us this much.

They were smart not to give out high round picks (such as our 3rd) to Ted Washington. They are simply making the best decisions for the club right now.

Our DT Depth is also at question...so if they sign a backup DT, then GOOD! We need the depth. I'm sure the FO has plans in motion to obtain a starter.

[Keino]

Yeah they addressed the position, by downgrading. They went form Darell Gardener to 2 lesser players in Haley & Noble, which isn't so bad if you intend to keep BDW. Getting rid of both starters and replacing them with 4 lesser players makes no sense at all. I'd much rather have quality opposed to quanity.

I can appreciate not trading away the future for a 35 yearl old vet or overpaying because other teams think that we are desperate, but I don't see how adding career back-ups to a roster already composed of career back-ups helps us at all. Cannida and now this Chase clown. Sheesh, if they are going to sign no-names they may as well sign my roomate who is 305 LBS....and has been dominating his semi-pro league......At least it's a friggin starter!!!

Now we get to wait for cut-down day and pick-up other teams' dead Weight. Oh Joy!!! 2 old men on the Ends and Bums in the middle......we have awesome LB's and nice Corners, who are going to look terrible becuase teams will run all day long between the tackles and have all day to find an open WR (when they have to pass).

To me it seems like the smart thing to do was to resign Gardener (We weren't that far apart if I recall correctly) and cut BDW. Our concern was his back, but his replacement is out for the year...........

[PennSkinsFan]

Waiting till Tuesday to see who is cut? These are starting positions we are talking about and we want to wait for cuts???? That tells the poor planning and problems we have ont he line when we are waiting see what other teams put out to the curb as garbage.

Update on Lionel Dalton:

from Denver Post:

"The Broncos have talked with Jacksonville and Baltimore. Also, Denver and Washington - which acquired New Orleans defensive tackle Martin Chase in a trade Wednesday - may reopen trade talks that stalled Tuesday. And the Arizona Cardinals might be a late entrant in the talks for Dalton."

[hail2skins]

The first round of cuts will be garbage. The better cuts will come just before the start of the season. Is that too late for us? I don't know.

[TexSkin]

Hmm intresting PSF..they are still looking at Dalton.

[Patrick]

Waiting for the second round of cuts is never a bad idea or is it too late. There have been alot of good finds.

I still think too many are jumping the gun AND/OR ready to give up with what we have. Let's at least wait until Saturday's nights game is over before we panic!!

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Waiting till Tuesday to see who is cut? These are starting positions we are talking about and we want to wait for cuts???? That tells the poor planning and problems we have ont he line when we are waiting see what other teams put out to the curb as garbage.

Update on Lionel Dalton:

from Denver Post:

"The Broncos have talked with Jacksonville and Baltimore. Also, Denver and Washington - which acquired New Orleans defensive tackle Martin Chase in a trade Wednesday - may reopen trade talks that stalled Tuesday. And the Arizona Cardinals might be a late entrant in the talks for Dalton."
So which one has the trade contract with Denver already?????? like i thought another line of BS from Denver to try to rob the skins of more because they think the skins are desperate. Maybe Denver will realize with the signing of Chase that we are not as desperate as they think and ask for a reasonable exchange for Dalton. IMO the skins sent Denver a Clear Message..... IF you wanna play like that we'll give someone else our draft pick. Bravo to the FO for calling Denver's Bluff.

[Keino]

Originally posted by Patrick
Waiting for the second round of cuts is never a bad idea or is it too late. There have been alot of good finds.

I still think too many are jumping the gun AND/OR ready to give up with what we have. Let's at least wait until Saturday's nights game is over before we panic!!

Hey Patrick, it doesn't concern you at all that Antwhine Smith looked like an all-pro against us running up the gut and Stephen Davis averegaed 10 ypc against our 1st teamers? (OK granted, Upshaw, Smith and Trotter were held out).

If you cannot stop the run that means teams eat up clock, keep our defense on the field and oh yeah score, which in turn means that our revamped Offense will have added pressure to score and will be playing catch-up. Don't forget, we have yet to see our offense has yet to pick up a Blitz effectively. I dont think anyone's jumping the gun on anything. Noble's injury has our D Line in a state of emergency..............

[Skinzaholic]

Originally posted by Keino
Noble's injury has our D Line in a state of emergency..............



I totally agree Keino.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
You mean Martin Chase, Kenny?

Yeah

[kaiser]

Let's think a little here - Denver can't really be comfortable with paying Dalton that much money to be a backup. They need to get rid of him, but none of the potential buyers are gonna buy the fact that denver's willing to keep him for anyhting less than a 4th. Please!?! With his salary they should have been looking for a 5th/6th tops!

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Keino
Hey Patrick, it doesn't concern you at all that Antwhine Smith looked like an all-pro against us running up the gut and Stephen Davis averegaed 10 ypc against our 1st teamers? (OK granted, Upshaw, Smith and Trotter were held out).

If you cannot stop the run that means teams eat up clock, keep our defense on the field and oh yeah score, which in turn means that our revamped Offense will have added pressure to score and will be playing catch-up. Don't forget, we have yet to see our offense has yet to pick up a Blitz effectively. I dont think anyone's jumping the gun on anything. Noble's injury has our D Line in a state of emergency..............


Concerned - A little but not enough (yet) to get all worked up about. We made some improvement last week and our D started coming around even after Noble left the game. Saturday's game is going to tell us alot, at least IMO. And if we keep improving with the guys we have I will be more than satified!

[GolfFreak]

Found this on CBS:

There had been talk the Saints are interested in trading defensive tackle Grady Jackson. That's far from true. The Saints are thrilled with Jackson's play, who has trimmed down and has been a force this summer. The Saints parted with backup DT Martin Chase on Wednesday, trading him to the Redskins for a seventh-round pick that could work into a sixth-round pick depending on Chase's playing time (he has to play 40 percent of the plays for the pick to move up). The Saints are still in the market for a backup running back and asked the Redskins for Ladell Betts, but Washington refused, offering instead Kenny Watson. The Saints declined before settling on the pick.

Pretty interesting I think ... always thought they'd deal Betts over Watson.

Here's the link --> http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6578987?cbsnfl821

Actually good article on Bailey too.

[Dr_Funk]

They need to get rid of him, but none of the potential buyers are gonna buy the fact that denver's willing to keep him for anyhting less than a 4th. Please!?! With his salary they should have been looking for a 5th/6th tops!


Dalton could be had for a fifth. that's all the Bronco's want for him. The 'skins had agreed with this, but wanted Dalton to cut his base from 1.6 to less than $1million. Dalton and his agent balked at that.

The thing is, Shanahan never thinks of players as just "meat" so the Bronco's right now are negotiating with Jax, 'Zona, and another team for a fifth. Wherever Dalton gets the best base salary is where he goes.

[Keino]

Originally posted by benjamce
Found this on CBS:



Pretty interesting I think ... always thought they'd deal Betts over Watson.

Here's the link --> http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6578987?cbsnfl821

Actually good article on Bailey too.

I would've pulled the trigger on that quickly!!!!! Betts for Jackson.

[PennSkinsFan]

All this discussion about Dalton and the price for Dalton and Denver trying to sneak more out of the Skins just because they feel we are in a desparate situation...folks this all points to where we should give some kudos to the front office for not panicing and getting ripped off. They had every reasont o pnaic when Noble went down, after all, they are human and there was no more panicing anywhere than right here on this forum:D

[TexSkin]

Oh well it did not happen so we shall see if Betts is worth it.

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by Keino
Hey Patrick, it doesn't concern you at all that Antwhine Smith looked like an all-pro against us running up the gut and Stephen Davis averegaed 10 ypc against our 1st teamers? (OK granted, Upshaw, Smith and Trotter were held out).

If you cannot stop the run that means teams eat up clock, keep our defense on the field and oh yeah score, which in turn means that our revamped Offense will have added pressure to score and will be playing catch-up. Don't forget, we have yet to see our offense has yet to pick up a Blitz effectively. I dont think anyone's jumping the gun on anything. Noble's injury has our D Line in a state of emergency..............
thing is Keino that if the deffensive staff were worried about losing any preseason games they would have put 8 in the freakin box in both games at some point. the fact that they did not tells me that they were more concerned about how people were playing as opposed to who they were playing. i mean yes Steven Davis did run all over us but all the D needed to do was bring up some more people and we would have stopped SD.

[TexSkin]

As long as they keep shwoing improvement I will be happy

[hamptonskinsfan]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
All this discussion about Dalton and the price for Dalton and Denver trying to sneak more out of the Skins just because they feel we are in a desparate situation...folks this all points to where we should give some kudos to the front office for not panicing and getting ripped off. They had every reasont o pnaic when Noble went down, after all, they are human and there was no more panicing anywhere than right here on this forum:D
i agree mark and i tryed to do that in a post a little earlier. Originally posted by Hamptonskinsfan So which one has the trade contract with Denver already?????? like i thought another line of BS from Denver to try to rob the skins of more because they think the skins are desperate. Maybe Denver will realize with the signing of Chase that we are not as desperate as they think and ask for a reasonable exchange for Dalton. IMO the skins sent Denver a Clear Message..... IF you wanna play like that we'll give someone else our draft pick. Bravo to the FO for calling Denver's Bluff.