Tuesday Morning QB Poll (Week 7)

[BurgundyNGold]

For the second straight week, the Redskins went into the tunnel at halftime leading their opponent 14-13 and for the second straight week they lost the game in the second half, this week to the undefeated Indianapolis Colts. The running backs and receivers all found room to run against the lackluster Colts defense, yet were not able to muster more than one meaningful scoring drive until the game was well out of hand. Redskins starting QB Mark Brunell had another solid day, statistically speaking, going 27 or 37 for 226 yards with 2 touchdowns and no picks in the Redskins 5th defeat of the season in 7 games.

What's your opinion on the Redskins starting QB? Here's how it works: Every week you vote for either "Approve", "Disapprove" or "Undecided". Remember, this question is a general feeling question, so it's not necessarily a result of the previous week's effort. I will then chart the results and post them as part of the next weeks poll. The polls will stay open until Saturday PM.

Ready, set ... vote!

More Info in the Blog, Results posted in the Blog over the weekend, tracking each week.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Exactly the same as last week. He is not our biggest problem, but I want him benched.

[CNYSkinFan]

Exactly the same as last week. He is not our biggest problem, but I want him benched.
agreed

[Keino]

Time to see what the kid can do. I don't blame this 2-5 start on Brunell, but he is limted in what he brings to the table. It works well when you have a solid defense, but we don't have that.

I am Disapproving from here on out, because we need to see the future today.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Exactly the same as last week. He is not our biggest problem, but I want him benched.

What he said.

Disapprove

[SpicyMcHaggis]

agreed
Obviously. Why would anyone disagree with me? Is that even allowed here? I think not.

[bgforever]

I voted undecided. Here's why. Buckle up the ODD good news.

1. True, even the Head Coach said, ya' can't do that in a game (go 180 degrees in another direction with the offense, defense). However, he's as much aware of MB's limitations as anyone will ever, be. Yet MB is a paradox. Look what he did against Coughlin last year (who knows him very well) and then again this year so far. His games are like that, up, down, up, down. up, up, up, down, down up. The one that that keeps looking good is, believe it or not, time enough to win games.

2. He doesn't kick, play defense, or work extremely hard with the media for atttention like being obsessed with himself. He is a mechanic and the best one in the NFL. He is not a General, but he's a leader. Leadership needs work and training. JC is getting that.

3. MB is actually in the top half or top of the MAJOR statistical categories of the NFL. He's in the bottom half of the NFL in WINS. That is not a total finger at the QB. That means, he's doing a LOT of things right, and some KEY things wrong, while the team or injuries to key players doesnt' help. Rating
Compl. Pct, yards, avg yds compl, LOW Int's, medium on sacks (not high - (the OLINE is a factor for positives, as much as its to share some blame on his negatives) These are all GOOD. However, the bogus calls, the NON calls for abuses to our QB, etc, factor in as well. Add it up and our mistakes don't help the flags, the non calls, etc.

4. MB has been INDECISIVE a few times, shining through like a new born fresh out of SOMEWHERE, U. Flat out baffles many, but still the one thing he keeps banking, is time. The banker - JOE GIBBS. Once again, JG is StILL getting something done, lurking just under the surface. Interesting, the stats are consistent with the ST's, the heel of last season, the offense is scoring instead that funny goose egg of the preseason and the receivers are seeing small gains in yards, - but the spreading will come. We know what happens if the run game doesn't compliment a passing game -
Looks can be deceiving.

So I am stuck in neutral like the team.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I took a different interpretation of the question and disapproved. I think Brunell has been playing well enough, but I disapprove of the starting QB situation.

[bergiemoore]

Exactly the same as last week. He is not our biggest problem, but I want him benched.

Yeppur.

[BurgundyNGold]

I took a different interpretation of the question and disapproved. I think Brunell has been playing well enough, but I disapprove of the starting QB situation.
And this is entirely acceptable. The question is about the "Redskins starting QB", not specifically Brunell.

I voted undecided for the first time because I am transitioning to disapprove for next week or the week after. Once we lose our 6th game, it's time for Campbell for sure, although I am rapidly becoming an advocate of starting Campbell at home after the bye week. I could change to disapprove after the bye, actually, and Brunell wouldn't have even played a snap, lol.

[bergiemoore]

And this is entirely acceptable. The question is about the "Redskins starting QB", not specifically Brunell.

I voted undecided for the first time because I am transitioning to disapprove for next week or the week after. Once we lose our 6th game, it's time for Campbell for sure, although I am rapidly becoming an advocate of starting Campbell at home after the bye week. I could change to disapprove after the bye, actually, and Brunell wouldn't have even played a snap, lol.

If Brunell can't rally this team to beat the bye week, then he is definitely done. :lol1:

[Bluuz]

I don't so much approve or disapprove of Brunell, but he's the best QB on the team right now.

A change of QB might help the team, but more likely would be disastrous.

Any one see what happened last night when Parcells benched Bledsoe for Romo?

[bgforever]

If Brunell can't rally this team to beat the bye week, then he is definitely done. :lol1:

You guys are so merciful :lol1:

[bergiemoore]

I don't so much approve or disapprove of Brunell, but he's the best QB on the team right now.

A change of QB might help the team, but more likely would be disastrous.

Any one see what happened last night when Parcells benched Bledsoe for Romo?

To do that in the middle of the game was just plain dumb. My Cowboy-fan friend thinks that Parcells was more into trying to make a point to the team, than trying to win the game, which is even dumber. Still, this is Romo's 4th year. He looked worse than any rookie QB I've seen play this year.

Changing the QB will not help in the short term. That goes without saying. It's just not realistic to think that Romo or Campbell is going to be able to jump in and immediately start winning games in Montana-esque fashion (Possible, but not probable). Switching QBs means that your are probably tanking your season in order to give your team a better oppurtunity down the road, a la Coughlin's decision to start Eli Manning in 04.

As much as I want to see Campbell play, there is no way that he gets in unless Gibbs is ready to quit on this season.

[redskin_rich]

I don't so much approve or disapprove of Brunell, but he's the best QB on the team right now.

A change of QB might help the team, but more likely would be disastrous.

Any one see what happened last night when Parcells benched Bledsoe for Romo?
That's because Parcells mishandled the situation. I said this last night and I'll say it again, you don't change the QB during a game. It creates disharmony with the entire offense and it puts the newbie QB in a bad spot. It's also an admission of being wrong. You make the change on the first day of that week's practice, not in the middle of a game.

To the poll, I disapprove for the same reasons as I have for the last two weeks.

[Bluuz]

To do that in the middle of the game was just plain dumb. My Cowboy-fan friend thinks that Parcells was more into trying to make a point to the team, than trying to win the game, which is even dumber. Still, this is Romo's 4th year. He looked worse than any rookie QB I've seen play this year.


I don't know what Purcells was thinking, but probably was just really p.o.'d at Bledsoe for that interception he threw near the goal line at the end of the first half. I wonder how the Cowboys fans waving those Romo banners feel today.

[frankez99]

This is ALWAYS the most frustrating thread of the week....but here goes nothing. With the division as tight as it is, we are not officially relegated to "spoiler" status yet.

We all know Mark's limitations...and it is a shame....we have fast, vertical receivers...a TE that can stretch the field....but no QB to effectively get them the ball. I swear we must be the ONLY team in the NFL who do play action fake dumpoffs to the RBs. Our WR's are more effective on reverses and screens than long passes......pretty sad....but....That being said....

this offense is not totally inept. Mark is not losing any games for us. I really hate the term "manager", but he is just that, a game "manager". There have been flashes of big game performances, i.e. the KC and Den losses last season when he threw like he did when he was winning the NFL QB Challenge with long bombs. Mark is a microcosm of our team....just doing enough to keep his job in the coaches eyes.....He is still the best QB on this roster until proven otherwise.

JC should get his starts when we are officially eliminated from the playoffs...which at this rate won't be too long from now. The Brunell era is coming to a close...but I hope he has enough left to get us to at least a winning record. I have faith....and I also have faith that JC can perform as well.

Hail to the Redskins and to the members of hR.com.

"Edited to let you know I voted undecided.....like always....this is so dang frustrating....arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

[bfauble83]

Disapprove, I'm tired of Brunell throwing 3 yrd passes on 3rd and 9. Plus the chances of making the playoffs are now very slim. Its time for Campbell to get in there and take his lumps so he can lead the team next year.

[DoGood]

I'm sticking with undecided. There are waaay too many other problems than Brunell's admittedly less-than-average play.

As much as I want to see Campbell play instead of the old timer, I'm getting a strange feeling that we can still pull this thing out. Call me crazy...

[shally]

For the second straight week, the Redskins went into the tunnel at halftime leading their opponent 14-13 and for the second straight week they lost the game in the second half, this week to the undefeated Indianapolis Colts. The running backs and receivers all found room to run against the lackluster Colts defense, yet were not able to muster more than one meaningful scoring drive until the game was well out of hand. Redskins starting QB Mark Brunell had another solid day, statistically speaking, going 27 or 37 for 226 yards with 2 touchdowns and no picks in the Redskins 5th defeat of the season in 7 games.

What's your opinion on the Redskins starting QB? Here's how it works: Every week you vote for either "Approve", "Disapprove" or "Undecided". Remember, this question is a general feeling question, so it's not necessarily a result of the previous week's effort. I will then chart the results and post them as part of the next weeks poll. The polls will stay open until Saturday PM.

Ready, set ... vote!

More Info in the Blog, Results posted in the Blog over the weekend, tracking each week.

sorry i cannot post it because it is on a pay site, but as usual, rich tandler has a spot on comment.. he lists the reasons for brunell taking a seat-- as well as the excuses that we will have to be prepared for because gibbs won't replace him barring injury.

brunell, like other older qb's before him, simply cannot get it done. campbell is no sure thing. but brunell, alas is..

time to turn the page

[RoanokeSkin]

Disapprove.

Bottom line is that it is time to see what the kid is made of.

[shally]

Disapprove, I'm tired of Brunell throwing 3 yrd passes on 3rd and 9. Plus the chances of making the playoffs are now very slim. Its time for Campbell to get in there and take his lumps so he can lead the team next year.

this is it, perfectly said.. checking down to receivers 5 yards short of the first line marker over and over again on third down is simply inexcusable...
we do have receivers who are capable of making the big play. brunell had to get it to them. he does not..

[dj_stouty]

Undecided...because I'm torn between the urge to see #8 help turn things around and give the fanbase competitive games...and the urge to see what JC can do. I have a lot of faith in the way Gibbs and formerly Musgrave have been developing JC that he won't need 9 full games to be game-ready for week 1 of next season.

I just wish the coaches would give us an inkling of information on JC. The guy hasn't been taking 1st team snaps all season...and I'm starting to wonder if Saunders has any confidence in the kid. I sure hope he does. Anyway...I'm ready to see JC as early as the next game, but only if Gibbs deems so.

As I've said on many occasions here, if last year's defense was on the field this year, this team would be 4-3 at minimum...and Brunell's approval rating would not be an issue. Its sad, because I rarely use the word "would" in my posts...but times are tough. ;)

[skinfan43]

I have to disapprove, yet I'll give MB another week, after two weeks to heal and prepare, to show if he's got what it takes to lead this team out of the cellar...

[BostonSkins]

Disapprove.

Every game started by Mark Brunell is one week more of a setback for JC and the long term goals of the franchise if JC truly is "our QB of the future"

[dj_stouty]

Disapprove.

Every game started by Mark Brunell is one week more of a setback for JC and the long term goals of the franchise if JC truly is "our QB of the future"

You must not have a lot of confidence in JC....to say he needs 9 full games this season to be fully ready for next year. Sitting him another game or two is really a "setback" in his development? Remember...the plan all along was for him to sit the ENTIRE season and most likely start next year. If anything....any games he starts this season is a headstart, IMO.

[shally]

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I just wish the coaches would give us an inkling of information on JC. The guy hasn't been taking 1st team snaps all season...and I'm starting to wonder if Saunders has any confidence in the kid. I sure hope he does. Anyway...I'm ready to see JC as early as the next game, but only if Gibbs deems so.

As I've said on many occasions here, if last year's defense was on the field this year, this team would be 4-3 at minimum...and Brunell's approval rating would not be an issue. Its sad, because I rarely use the word "would" in my posts...but times are tough. ;)[/QUOTE]

i think you have hit on part of the problem. i do not think AS shares gibbs enthusiasm for JC..

and the defensive flameout has clearly worsened things.. but scoring 1 offensive TD against teams like minny and dallas and the gints on average, is a kiss of death.. the offense needs to be able to trade td's with opponents at least some of the time

[dj_stouty]

.. but scoring 1 offensive TD against teams like minny and dallas and the gints on average, is a kiss of death.. the offense needs to be able to trade td's with opponents at least some of the time

True...but the Redskins must be the only team in the league without a defensive score this season. That would really help things...

[smoak]

For the second straight week I disapprove of Brunell for not playing better. He didn't defense one pass or come close to picking off Manning. He generated no pass rush (especially in second half) and didn't prevent the Colts from walking all over us in the running game.

Is Mark Brunell Peyton Manning??? Heck no! But he is not the reason the Redskins are staring at 2-5 and possibly/probably a losing season.

[smoak]

I have to disapprove, yet I'll give MB another week, after two weeks to heal and prepare, to show if he's got what it takes to lead this team out of the cellar...

I don't think Tom Brady could win with this defense. They are wretched.

that said, I would not be shocked to see a different Redskins team coming out of this bye week. Forget the Bills, nobody circles the wagons like Joe Gibbs, Al Saunders, and Gregg Williams.

[BostonSkins]

You must not have a lot of confidence in JC....to say he needs 9 full games this season to be fully ready for next year. Sitting him another game or two is really a "setback" in his development? Remember...the plan all along was for him to sit the ENTIRE season and most likely start next year. If anything....any games he starts this season is a headstart, IMO.


Every game JC starts is just more experience to build on. I would like him to gain as much experience as possible while there is less at stake (For the record I will not really think the season is over until we lose a divisional game at home, or 3 more other games). I guess I just want to see it accelerated because I've never been a fan of Brunell's.

[dj_stouty]

Every game JC starts is just more experience to build on. I would like him to gain as much experience as possible while there is less at stake (For the record I will not really think the season is over until we lose a divisional game at home, or 3 more other games). I guess I just want to see it accelerated because I've never been a fan of Brunell's.

You don't like Brunell? That is news to me! lol

What you wrote is fair enough. Another reason I want Brunell to continue to start is because I would hate to have our rivals come into our house and face a 1st time starting QB. We owe enough to that rivalry to put our best product on the field...

[Dolla Bill]

You don't like Brunell? That is news to me! lol

What you wrote is fair enough. Another reason I want Brunell to continue to start is because I would hate to have our rivals come into our house and face a 1st time starting QB. We owe enough to that rivalry to put our best product on the field...


They might be coming in with a 1st time starting QB as well with Romo. Who knows what happens in the land of the Cowgirls.

[silverspring]

To do that in the middle of the game was just plain dumb. My Cowboy-fan friend thinks that Parcells was more into trying to make a point to the team, than trying to win the game, which is even dumber. Still, this is Romo's 4th year. He looked worse than any rookie QB I've seen play this year.

Changing the QB will not help in the short term. That goes without saying. It's just not realistic to think that Romo or Campbell is going to be able to jump in and immediately start winning games in Montana-esque fashion (Possible, but not probable). Switching QBs means that your are probably tanking your season in order to give your team a better oppurtunity down the road, a la Coughlin's decision to start Eli Manning in 04.

As much as I want to see Campbell play, there is no way that he gets in unless Gibbs is ready to quit on this season.


I agree, but the point is the season is over. If gibbs wants to wait for one more loss then fine. But we need to accept that this season is over and the super smart thing to do would be to look to the future and play cambell. We need to look at this predicament as an opportunity to build for the future.

[skins111111]

the future is now....play JC......I don't feel good about winning the SB with Brunell

[bergiemoore]

I agree, but the point is the season is over. If gibbs wants to wait for one more loss then fine. But we need to accept that this season is over and the super smart thing to do would be to look to the future and play cambell. We need to look at this predicament as an opportunity to build for the future.

Until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, this season is not over. That's the way that Gibbs sees it. He's not going to quit on it until there is no other option. He has tremendous faith in his players and coaching staff to be able to fix those areas that are plaguing this team.

Dallas is going to continue to play its erratic style of football, and with a new QB, they are going to be even more inconsistent. Philly is facing the hardest part of its schedule and I think will be knocked down a notch. The Giants can win any game when the opposing QB feeds them 4 interceptions, but injuries are starting to mount on their defense, and it's only a matter of time before Eli starts getting picked off on these jump balls he heaves for Plaxico.

Trying to believe that the Skins have a shot at the playoffs may be a little silly right now, but hey, it's football. Anything can happen. If Gibbs quits on this team, they will most assuredly quit on him. I don't agree with keeping Brunell in as QB, but I understand why Gibbs will.

[ryflan47]

If Gibbs wants to even consider looking like a team next year, now's the time to form some bonds on offense.

[dj_stouty]

They might be coming in with a 1st time starting QB as well with Romo. Who knows what happens in the land of the Cowgirls.

Another reason to start a VET.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Undecided meaning that I don't think he is the root of the problem like so many others. I think benching him this season will only force Campbell to have to go in and try to do too much ...for example, Romo may be the answer in Dallas but you let that kid have a few more games like that and they'll run him right out of town with Bledsoe. The JC movement probably won't and shouldn't start until next season.

[Keino]

Another reason to start a VET.

Im not sure I buy that starting a 2nd year player who has never taken a Regular Season snap as inherently a disadvantage. I mean he's going to have to make his first start at some point, plus, the defense and opposing coach's have no film with which to study tendencies and other gameplanning. I don't think that whoever is starting the Dallas game lessens or improves the product on the field for the sake of the rivalry. As you have argued (And I agree with) our problems are much deeper than the QB right now. But a guy like Campbell can be protected by having a commitment to the running game.

Personally, I'd rather have Campbell get his growing pains in (ala Eli and Carson) now rather than having to deal with it next year.

[bergiemoore]

Undecided meaning that I don't think he is the root of the problem like so many others. I think benching him this season will only force Campbell to have to go in and try to do too much last night...for example, Romo may be the answer in Dallas but you let that kid have a few more games like that and they'll run him right out of town with Bledsoe. The JC movement probably won't and shouldn't start until next season.

Romo has been with that team for 4 years. If he has a few more games like that, he deserves to be run out of town. He'll be given the benefit of the doubt for a couple of starts, and then it's time to start producing.

Same with Jason Campbell. Gibbs will not throw him into a game during the half, but he'll get his shot, and have to make something of it. That's what QBs do. If he's not up to it, then we need to find someone who is. If these young QBs have such fragile egos, then they need to look for work elsewhere. QB is the most challenging role on the field. Rarely do QBs come into their own under idealic circumstances. They get tossed into the ocean and they either sink or swim. Jason is luckier than most. He's had the oppurtunity to be mentored by a good QB for over a year. If he's worth his paycheck, that experience will translate into performance and leadership ability. If it doesn't, then we need to get someone else, and fast.

The reason Gibbs is not starting Jason is because he thinks Brunell can get it done, not because he's worried about throwing Jason to the wolves, or asking too much of him. When his number is called, Jason will be expected to play the game at a high level, regardless of the circumstances.

[bergiemoore]

Im not sure I buy that starting a 2nd year player who has never taken a Regular Season snap as inherently a disadvantage. I mean he's going to have to make his first start at some point, plus, the defense and opposing coach's have no film with which to study tendencies and other gameplanning. I don't think that whoever is starting the Dallas game lessens or improves the product on the field for the sake of the rivalry. As you have argued (And I agree with) our problems are much deeper than the QB right now. But a guy like Campbell can be protected by having a commitment to the running game.

Personally, I'd rather have Campbell get his growing pains in (ala Eli and Carson) now rather than having to deal with it next year.

Coughlin took a lot of flak from prognosticators for "giving up too early" on the 04 season. No one complained in 05 when Eli took them to the playoffs, and this year is looking good as well, much to my chagrin.

[BostonSkins]

Undecided meaning that I don't think he is the root of the problem like so many others. I think benching him this season will only force Campbell to have to go in and try to do too much last night...for example, Romo may be the answer in Dallas but you let that kid have a few more games like that and they'll run him right out of town with Bledsoe. The JC movement probably won't and shouldn't start until next season.


Are you saying that even if the Skins are mathematically eliminated JC shouldn't get the start? You wouldn't want him to get valuable in-game experience this year if possible?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Time to see what the kid can do. I don't blame this 2-5 start on Brunell, but he is limted in what he brings to the table. It works well when you have a solid defense, but we don't have that.
this is kind of where im leaning on this one. the only problem is i keep going back and forth on what i think the best situation is for this the team because with youth and inexperience comes mistakes and with our defense, we cant afford to turn the ball over often. we'd lose games 42-10 if we gave other teams a short field. therefore im going to stay in the middle and go undecided.

[Dolla Bill]

this is kind of where im leaning on this one. the only problem is i keep going back and forth on what i think the best situation is for this the team because with youth and inexperience comes mistakes and with our defense, we cant afford to turn the ball over often. we'd lose games 42-10 if we gave other teams a short field. therefore im going to stay in the middle and go undecided.


Sometimes I wonder if the defense would get a spark under Campbell. Knowing full well that they will be heavily relied upon because he is in essence a rookie. It might make them step up to the plate finally.

[bergiemoore]

this is kind of where im leaning on this one. the only problem is i keep going back and forth on what i think the best situation is for this the team because with youth and inexperience comes mistakes and with our defense, we cant afford to turn the ball over often. we'd lose games 42-10 if we gave other teams a short field. therefore im going to stay in the middle and go undecided.

Really, it just depends on what your goal is.

If you want to see us continue to try for a playoff spot this year, keep Brunell. He's not able to outplay opponents, but he won't lose you games, a la Romo. You can rely on him to manage the game well.

If you think that this season is already done for the Skins, then Jason is the obvious choice, as the Gibbs proclaimed "future of the team". Start developing the young talent so that he can hit the ground running in 07.

Bottom line, should we be thinking about winning this year, or planning for next year.

Gibbs is trying to win this year. I disagree, but who the hell am I?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Really, it just depends on what your goal is.

If you want to see us continue to try for a playoff spot this year, keep Brunell. He's not able to outplay opponents, but he won't lose you games, a la Romo. You can rely on him to manage the game well.

If you think that this season is already done for the Skins, then Jason is the obvious choice, as the Gibbs proclaimed "future of the team". Start developing the young talent so that he can hit the ground running in 07.

Bottom line, should we be thinking about winning this year, or planning for next year.

Gibbs is trying to win this year. I disagree, but who the hell am I?
well, i think its only right to keep hope alive for the playoffs and until we here the dreaded "mathematically eliminated". i guess then we should tick with brunell, spice up the gameplan and playcalling and hope that the bye weekcan help get the team back on track. if you look at next week, all of the other NFCE teams have a decent chance to lose their games. we could make up ground without even playing, lol.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Are you saying that even if the Skins are mathematically eliminated JC shouldn't get the start? You wouldn't want him to get valuable in-game experience this year if possible?


No I'm not saying that at all, I just don't think the season is lost. I mean on one hand we are 2-5 and have a rough schedule ahead, on the other we have the type of weapons on offense to be more productive than we have shown. I believe Gibbs will not put Campbell in anytime soon because other than Todd Collins(who looked horrible in preseason) no one knows this offense and it shows.

To me Gibbs is saying lets start executing as a team, lets see the Oline block and get Portis and Betts and Duckett the ball while trying to put a respectable defense on the field. Without those things in place... it is more likely than not Campbell would struggle and struggle bad. This defense couldn't support him, in years past it could and might would've made more sense, this year the D can't support itself much less a rookie QB.

I could be wrong but throwing him in with a losing record, the season hanging in the balance, all while in the first year of learning a complicated O could give him invaulable experience or it could be detrimental to his development, I think they're showing patience because short of Brunell retiring this offseason these may be the same 3 QB's on next years roster...with an open competition between JC and MB.

[MONK_in_HOF]

True...but the Redskins must be the only team in the league without a defensive score this season. That would really help things...
Might be, but they do have 2 special teams TDs, doubt many other teams can match that.

[dukeuch]

They might be coming in with a 1st time starting QB as well with Romo. Who knows what happens in the land of the Cowgirls.
Nah, Bledsoe will start. He couldn't get away from the Giant's rush, so Parcells had to go with the more mobile Romo. Bledsoe will have no problem with our rush.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Gibbs said he was not focused on making a quarterback change at this time. That means Mark Brunell will remain the starter, unless he succumbs to injury. Brunell has a strained muscle in his ribs that could force him to miss practice time. Backup Todd Collins will get the bulk of reps in practice.

"We know at some point Jason's time is going to come, but right now that's not something that's a focus of mine," Gibbs said. "We'll practice the way we've been practicing, unless Mark has a tough time going [due to his injury]."

LINK (http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21401)

Ok this really upsets me. Why is Todd Collins taking the snaps if Mark Brunell is too injured to practice??
A. This contradicts what Gibbs said about the QB situation at the start of the season. Brunell is still expected to start the next game, but if he can't practice shouldn't Campbell be getting the reps, especially considering there are 2 whole weeks to get him ready.
B. How many years has Collins already had in the system? He should know it already. I realize players need reps to establish chemistry, rhythm, and form...but when is Campbell ever going to get some reps??

[SpicyMcHaggis]

LINK (http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21401)

Ok this really upsets me. Why is Todd Collins taking the snaps if Mark Brunell is too injured to practice??
A. This contradicts what Gibbs said about the QB situation at the start of the season. Brunell is still expected to start the next game, but if he can't practice shouldn't Campbell be getting the reps, especially considering there are 2 whole weeks to get him ready.
B. How many years has Collins already had in the system? He should know it already. I realize players need reps to establish chemistry, rhythm, and form...but when is Campbell ever going to get some reps??
I am at a loss for words...I really have no idea what is going on. I think this might be a Saunders issue with Campbell, or hin wanting to play "his guy"..I can't think of any other plausible reason.

[Biggie]

I voted undecided, because Brunell made some throws and had a decent game but I still think playing him is just beating around the bush. He needs to sit.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Time to see what the kid can do. I don't blame this 2-5 start on Brunell, but he is limted in what he brings to the table. It works well when you have a solid defense, but we don't have that.

Perfectly said, I agree.

[rskinsfan10]

I voted approve. He played well enough to win, but he seems to be taking the blame for the lapses in tackling, coverage, and playcalling which IMO is why we are 2-5. Why he gets the blame for that I for one will never understand.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I voted approve. He played well enough to win, but he seems to be taking the blame for the lapses in tackling, coverage, and playcalling which IMO is why we are 2-5. Why he gets the blame for that I for one will never understand.I don't blame Brunell for our swiss cheese D but I also don't think he is playing well enough for us to win. He is however playing well enough for us not to lose at his hands but that just doesn't cut it IMO.

[ryflan47]

LINK (http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21401)

Ok this really upsets me. Why is Todd Collins taking the snaps if Mark Brunell is too injured to practice??
A. This contradicts what Gibbs said about the QB situation at the start of the season. Brunell is still expected to start the next game, but if he can't practice shouldn't Campbell be getting the reps, especially considering there are 2 whole weeks to get him ready.
B. How many years has Collins already had in the system? He should know it already. I realize players need reps to establish chemistry, rhythm, and form...but when is Campbell ever going to get some reps??

I'm getting so frustrated.

[redwolf1218]

LINK (http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21401)

Ok this really upsets me. Why is Todd Collins taking the snaps if Mark Brunell is too injured to practice??
A. This contradicts what Gibbs said about the QB situation at the start of the season. Brunell is still expected to start the next game, but if he can't practice shouldn't Campbell be getting the reps, especially considering there are 2 whole weeks to get him ready.
B. How many years has Collins already had in the system? He should know it already. I realize players need reps to establish chemistry, rhythm, and form...but when is Campbell ever going to get some reps??
Campbell runs the scout team. i dont think this contradicts anything.

If Brunell is still expected to start the next game, but he might not be able to make it the whole way, then Collins will have to step in, so they are making sure he's ready.

the alternative would be to have Collins running the scout team, which would not get him any familiarity with his new team. Brunell might get hurt again or he might prove to be ineffective with this injury if he does start. so in the event that Collins has to step in, he'll need that familiarity.

[rskinsfan10]

but I also don't think he is playing well enough for us to win.Okay, what exactly did he do wrong on Sunday that you can directly attribute to him and him only?

[redwolf1218]

Okay, what exactly did he do wrong on Sunday that you can directly attribute to him and him only?
he did put up pretty good numbers. the only thing that stood out to me was the yardage. he and Peyton completed a similar number of passes, but Peyton got a lot more yards.

i just dont understand why we could not run better against the league's worst run defense, 2 weeks in a row. i believe that points to the o-line. the o-line might also be responsible for not allowing Brunell enough time for the deeper patterns to develop.

[Vonslydog]

Yet another undecided. MB has been hovering around the "ok" level for a while. He played pretty ok against the Colts. But even though I don't dissapprove I still think it's time to change. It is unlikely Campbell will fix the problems with this team. But as much as I want it, it is very unlikely this season will last past 16 games, and I want him as ready as possible for a run next year.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Exactly the same as last week. He is not our biggest problem, but I want him benched.
Ok, that's it, agreed.

[dabro]

Because he gets very little protection and has to get rid of the ball quickly, I still don't know that Brunell is playing poorly. He simply doesn't have the time to survey the field and takes the safest available option. Consequently, he rarely turns the ball over. This would be fine if our defense were playing well, but it isn't. Personally, I don't care whether he's doing poorly or not. With our record, it's time to put Campbell in to see what he can do. I expect that he'll play about like Romo did in his first outing for the Cowpies, which is OK. The only way to learn is by playing. I don't want to waste another year next year while he gets used to playing.

[skins74]

I don't care what Gibbs says Brunell is not doing a good job. He is hold back this offense because no defense respects him or his arm.

[Keino]

Okay, what exactly did he do wrong on Sunday that you can directly attribute to him and him only?

I counted at least 3 occasions when he "Created Pressure" that wasn't there. What I mean by that is that he caused the blocking breakdown by leaving the pocket. One in particular was when Samuels had Dwight Freeney Handled and kept pushing him to the outside, and Brunell attempts to get outside of him instead of simply taking a step up and throwing the ball.

Because I watched in on TV, I couldn't tell if he was locking onto WRs, but I can tell you that in the Tennessee game, he locked onto receivers (Moss and Cooley) badly....while other WR's are running free.

I agree that Brunell is not the cause of our 2-5 start, but he's not playing great either. We know what we are going to get from him, and so I would like to find out what we can expect to get from Campbell....there's only one way to find that out.

[dj_stouty]

What I mean by that is that he caused the blocking breakdown by leaving the pocket. One in particular was when Samuels had Dwight Freeney Handled and kept pushing him to the outside, and Brunell attempts to get outside of him instead of simply taking a step up and throwing the ball.

There was a play in which Samuels actually had "Freeney handled"?

[Apache]

I DISAPPROVE!!! Can Collins run the AS playbook better than Brunell? I don't know much about Collins but, he was brought here for something. I think this season will be a bust as if it's not already so give Campbell a chance. If they didn't think the kid was ready than maybe Collins should have started.

I don't know who I'd put in next after the whole Ramsey episode where he got killed because he started to early and he was never the same after that.

[Keino]

There was a play in which Samuels actually had "Freeney handled"?


Yes. He had firm inside position and was pushing Freeney outside away from the Pocket. Brunell scrambles uneccesarily right into where Samuels is pushing Freeney away from the pocket. It was Quite excellent technique actually and was one of the few times that Samuels dominated the matchup.

Feel free to look at the tape again and verfiy it. I believe it occured in the late 3rd or early 4th quarter. I believe Brunell was able to throw it away and wasn't sacked on the play.

[dj_stouty]

Yes. He had firm inside position and was pushing Freeney outside away from the Pocket. Brunell scrambles uneccesarily right into where Samuels is pushing Freeney away from the pocket. It was Quite excellent technique actually and was one of the few times that Samuels dominated the matchup.

Feel free to look at the tape again and verfiy it. I believe it occured in the late 3rd or early 4th quarter. I believe Brunell was able to throw it away and wasn't sacked on the play.

My comment was in jest. I'm sure Samuels was good on that play...but in general, he was flat out dominated in the game.

[rskinsfan10]

I counted at least 3 occasions when he "Created Pressure" that wasn't there.I can't refute that because I wasn't that much into all of the plays (I wasn't at home so I wasn't able to concentrate on the game as I would have liked), but using the number 3, I think we can multiply that several times to come with the number of missed blocks, missed tackles, blown coverages and times where we should have ran the ball that directly attributed to this loss then anything that Brunell did or didn't do.

[Keino]

I can't refute that because I wasn't that much into all of the plays (I wasn't at home so I wasn't able to concentrate on the game as I would have liked), but using the number 3, I think we can multiply that several times to come with the number of missed blocks, missed tackles, blown coverages and times where we should have ran the ball that directly attributed to this loss then anything that Brunell did or didn't do.

Agreed. I don't think Brunell has been directly responsible for any of the 5 losses, but again, he hasn't helped all that much either (Well speaking for Tennesse and Indy games anyways).

I make the change now, because I don't think this team has demonstrated that it has the capacity to run-off 8 of 9 games, which is a different scenario IMO than when were sitting at 5-6 last year.

Now if we climb back to 5-5, and Brunell is still the QB, I will gladly eat my words, but I just don't see it.

[BurgundyNGold]

Agreed. I don't think Brunell has been directly responsible for any of the 5 losses, but again, he hasn't helped all that much either (Well speaking for Tennesse and Indy games anyways).

I make the change now, because I don't think this team has demonstrated that it has the capacity to run-off 8 of 9 games, which is a different scenario IMO than when were sitting at 5-6 last year.

Now if we climb back to 5-5, and Brunell is still the QB, I will gladly eat my words, but I just don't see it.
that's pretty much where I am, although PASkinsGirl made an interesting point in another thread... and that is if we can beat dallass and philly, we'd actually be in 2nd place in the division.

[padraic]

But come on guys he is Super Smart and he throws a money 3 yard Ball, even fat head down in Dallas knows when to say when ( and im not talking about the #1 super china buffet)