importance of qb's

[jsarno]

If we look at the top ten most TD producing QB's of last year, this is what we find:
1- Brady 29tds, 9-7
1- Gannon 29tds, 11-5
1- Manning 29tds, 10-6
1- Brooks 29tds, 9-7
5- Culpepper 28tds, 6-10
6- Green 27tds, 8-8
6- Favre 27tds, 12-4
8- Bledsoe 26tds, 8-8
9- McNair 25tds, 11-5
10- Garcia 24tds, 10-6
10- Pennington 24tds, 9-7
10- Vick 24tds, 9-6-1

13- McNabb 23tds (in only 10 games) 12-4
14- B. Johnson 22tds (in only 13 games) 12-4

Notice a pattern here? Other than Culpepper and that TERRIBLE d they had, the Vikings are the ONLY team on this list with a losing record. In fact 11 out of the 14 had 9 or more wins, and would go to playoffs.
If Spurrier can get ramsey to produce 25 tds or more, we are virtually guarenteed a playoff spot this year.

[Seebs]

Maybe we should also have a look at the total TD by team

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Seebs
Maybe we should also have a look at the total TD by team

Well, this is a thread about the QB's and the number relations, but how about I go by team points? (then back to the relation of QBs and TDs)

This is a list of all those teams that scored an average of 24 or more points last season and their records:
1- Atlanta 9-6-1, 25.1
2- Denver 9-7, 24.5
3- Green Bay 12-4, 24.9
4- KC 8-8, 29.2
5- Minnesota 6-10, 24.4 (let up 27.6 on d)
6- New Orleans 9-7, 27.0
7- Oakland 11-5, 28.1
8- Phily 12-4, 25.9
9- Pitt. 10-5-1, 24.4

There were 9 other teams that scored 21 or more ppg, and of those 9 only seattle had an under .500 record.

Of those top 9 teams, only minnesota had a losing record. But oddly enough, most of those teams had a qb already named, or a kicker named in a different thread.

Kind of makes me think if we had a great QB and a great Kicker, we'd be set. :D

[Green-Is-Good]

vick only had 16 tds

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green is Good
vick only had 16 tds

he had only 16 PASSING TDS...I said total touchdowns generated. Rushing TD's count too.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by jsarno
If we look at the top ten most TD producing QB's of last year, this is what we find:


Here is an exact quote of what i said.

[Green-Is-Good]

The Falcons averaged the most points even with their dismal wide reciever corps. That proves what you said. Quarterbacks are of great importance.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green is Good
The Falcons averaged the most points even with their dismal wide reciever corps. That proves what you said. Quarterbacks are of great importance.


I may be misunderstanding this, but the falcons had the 5th highest average last year. Not the highest average.

But yes, the QB is the most important.

You won't get these same figures when it comes to RB's.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

On the other hand, you will get the figure that nine out of the ten top rushers last year watched the playoffs on their big screens.

The times they are a-changin'.

[Green-Is-Good]

Damn, I'm an idiot. I knew they were 5th. I typed in 1st by mistake. And Joe, I agree. Running Backs used to be the players you would build a team around. Not even that. You could just let the running back carry the team on their shoulders.

[IowaSkinsFan]

So much for that argument a few years back for the QB who didn't lose the game for you, i.e. Trent Dilfer and the Ravens in 2000.

Tom Brady is what gives me hope that Ramsey will have a good year this year. He was undrafted out of Michigan and thrown into the fire the year the Pats won the SB. You can't tell me that RAM is any less experienced right now than Brady was when he took over for Bledsoe.

[TexSkin]

Like I said on that other thread I would take Vick over Mcnabb in a heart beat. This seems to support my claim. ;)

[Seebs]

Brady was a 6th round selection...

And we can only wish for a lot of score thenwe'll go to postseason

[Green-Is-Good]

If Ramsey fails(ie Akili Smith), we should take a risk on an undrafted rookie. What's the worst that could happen?

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273


Tom Brady is what gives me hope that Ramsey will have a good year this year. He was undrafted out of Michigan and thrown into the fire the year the Pats won the SB. You can't tell me that RAM is any less experienced right now than Brady was when he took over for Bledsoe.

Brady was either a 5th or 6th rounder...have to look it up...but he was definitely drafted.
Brady did however have a WHOLE year to learn the offense and learn from Bledsoe. Ramsey doesn't have anyone to look up to. Ramsey does have that year, and even some experience to go with him, but no tutor. (which is a HUGE factor if you ask me, and why Akili Smith never panned out...but he will after being behind Favre.)

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Seebs
Brady was a 6th round selection...

And we can only wish for a lot of score thenwe'll go to postseason

Oops...sorry...I just repeated what you said.
Yes, he was a 6th rounder, and was actually an 18th rounder in 95 by the Expos. (as a catcher)

Brady never got respect from the so called "experts". They thought his arm wasn't strong enough despite having a spectacular career with Michigan.
This happens often with players. They are "labelled" something that usually isn't true. Or they don't fit the right "mold" and are cast aside, then they "hope" the player turns out to be something on thebench.
Kurt Warner is a fine example. This is a guy that was cast aside and sacking groceries, then made a name for himself in the AFL, then came back to the NFL and you know the rest.
I just hope ramsey can be more than "filling the mold" that people seem to think.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey did get tutored by Wuerffel, which is more important than some people think. He's like Spurrier part two when it comes to that system.

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Green is Good
If Ramsey fails(ie Akili Smith), we should take a risk on an undrafted rookie. What's the worst that could happen?

While that may be alright, I'll bet DS will go after Marc Bulger if Ramsey fails.
I hope Ramsey has a fantastic year, that the O line protects his butt and the we get some decent D line help.

[Seebs]

Originally posted by NamVet4
While that may be alright, I'll bet DS will go after Marc Bulger if Ramsey fails.
I hope Ramsey has a fantastic year, that the O line protects his butt and the we get some decent D line help.

Or doug Johnson from the Falcons.

[Skins57]

the way I understand it (and I might be wrong ) is that Johnson and SS do not get along

[Seebs]

You're right, I totally forgot about that! I remember now the story of SS pulling him out of the game so that he could not beat the passing yards record of the university

[jsarno]

I don't know about you guys, but if Ramsey doesn't work out, it's time to get a PROVEN QB under center. We haven't had a stable one since Joey T.
I hope it doesn't come to that, cause I'm sick of this musical chair QB in DC. Time to win!!!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

If, if Ramsey fails, I'd go with either Dave Garrard, Doug Johnson (if we could iron out his relationship with Spurrier), or one of our holdovers in Johnson and Hamdan. I have yet to see Johnson play at the horrifying level he's known for, so his fling with the Fun'n'Gun could work out. Would Hamdan be ready in a year? No, not quite, but neither were Carr, Harrington, or Ramsey last year. Sometimes you just have to suck it up for a while.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Sometimes you just have to suck it up for a while.

Can we afford to "suck it up" with these big contracts? We seem to be in a 2 year "must win now" state. I don't think we have the time salary cap wise to wait for Hamden unless we don't mind starting from scratch and losing all we have (champ etc).

[IowaSkinsFan]

If, IF, if Ramsey doesn't work out, and I hope he does, Redskin fans have been waiting for nearly 2 decades for a franchise QB after being fooled with Shuler in the mid 90's....anyway, if he doesn't work out, I would hope that SS and Doug Johnson could put their differences aside, because I think that kid can play in this league. He (and the Falcons) beat the Giants last year and that is something we cant' say about last season.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by jsarno
Can we afford to "suck it up" with these big contracts? We seem to be in a 2 year "must win now" state. I don't think we have the time salary cap wise to wait for Hamden unless we don't mind starting from scratch and losing all we have (champ etc).

jsarno is on the money, as usual. The Danny is on record saying that he thinks he can keep this team together for the next three years, which is probably optimistic at best, so we are looking at the next 2 years and if Ramsey fails, and we turn to Hamdan, we are looking at rebuilding.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273
If, IF, if Ramsey doesn't work out, and I hope he does, Redskin fans have been waiting for nearly 2 decades for a franchise QB after being fooled with Shuler in the mid 90's....anyway, if he doesn't work out, I would hope that SS and Doug Johnson could put their differences aside, because I think that kid can play in this league. He (and the Falcons) beat the Giants last year and that is something we cant' say about last season.

I think you're right about Johnson, and I think they could set aside their differences. Reason being is that Parcells is a prick, and has many followers. He called terry glenn a woman, and glenn now worships him. Respect comes with winning. I think both SS and Johnson could realize that ultimately it's about winning, and mutual respect.