catholics seeking marriage

[jsarno]

trying to change catholic law, and allow marriage,this is quite controversial.
There is a stat that 91% of all sexual assaults inthe church are from homosexuals. so will marriage helpthis????

[bfauble83]

Tells you how messed up a religion is when its leaders think it would be better to molest a child than to marry...

[TexSkin]

Hey guys be careful not to start up on religion..I like to respect other peoples beliefs. Just giving a heads up before this gets out of hand.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by bfauble83
Tells you how messed up a religion is when its leaders think it would be better to molest a child than to marry...

(before I quote, please understand that I am no where near a catholic, I do not believe in a lot of their beliefs, but I am a Christian)

They do not condone, or think it would be better to molest children. They can't stop it. They allow gays into the preisthood (probably unknown that they are gay) and these things happen because we are human. We can try our best to follow Jesus example, but 100% of the time we will fall short.
I don't understand why the catholic church did this in the first place. No where in the bible does it say that a preist / minister should be without wife.
In fact, when you look up elders of the church, they should all be married with children that turned out to be good christians. If this makes our elders wise, why is it a priest can't gain this same wisdom?
I do think this should be reversed and allow priests to marry, mainly because people are flocking away from the churches. I've heard people say theyve gone to confession and felt the priest has "no clue about life". Give him children and a wife and he might understand a bit more.
I do fully believe that ANY priest that violates a child should be sent to prison regardless of circumstance. That is just plain wrong, and this person is sick to even THINK of such a thing. Why the catholic church hides it in some cases is a puzzle.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
Hey guys be careful not to start up on religion..I like to respect other peoples beliefs. Just giving a heads up before this gets out of hand.

I understand your point of "not getting out of hand". But should religion not be freely discussed?

We can argue all sides of politics and sports, or whatever, but whenever religion is brought up, it's such a touchy subject.

As long as we keep others feelings in perspective and give mutual respect, we should be alright even though if you were to ask 100 of us about religion, 90 of us would come up with completely different answers.

[rskinsfan10]

TexSkin is doing his job by sensing that something could become heated and trying to keep things civil before they unravel.

No one said that it cannot be discussed, but heed his warning in not letting it get out of hand.

[TexSkin]

As long as the discussion is respectful and well thought out I have no problem with it. Its just a subject I feel people should really think before posting somehting they might regret. Polotics can be argued and feelings are hurt but go away after time. Religion is a whole different beast. You say the wrong thing and you are messing with someone very being. Faith and beliefs must be respected no matter how odd or different you think they are.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
As long as the discussion is respectful and well thought out I have no problem with it. Its just a subject I feel people should really think before posting somehting they might regret.
You're absolutely correct.

Polotics can be argued and feelings are hurt but go away after time. Religion is a whole different beast. You say the wrong thing and you are messing with someone very being.
thats very true. Politics are just a crock anyway. :D

Faith and beliefs must be respected no matter how odd or different you think they are.

Totally agree.

By the way, thanks for responding...you've been doing a good job as a moderator, just thought you should know.

Now how about get back to the subject...what do you think? ;)

[BigCountry]

Actually not every gay person is a child molesting perv. There are also alot of men who molest little girls. In this case I would lable all of them, gay and straight, as not fit to live in society.

[TexSkin]

Amen BigCountry!

[jsarno]

Originally posted by BigCountry
Actually not every gay person is a child molesting perv. There are also alot of men who molest little girls. In this case I would lable all of them, gay and straight, as not fit to live in society.

Statistics say that 91% of the sexual assualts in the church are from homosexuals. (this is according to the today show ran a couple days ago when they interviewed a man studying this problem)
ps- no one said every gay person is a child molesting perv. Just stating the facts here.

[BigCountry]

I meant that it's because those 91% are sick, not because they're gay.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by BigCountry
I meant that it's because those 91% are sick, not because they're gay.

Oh...Ok.

That is true, 100% of them are sick. Anyone that can do that to a child is sick.
I would be curious to know how many of them have "heterosexual" backgrounds, but performed "homosexual" acts because they felt they needed to?
Why is it the girls aren't the ones being assualted? (I know that girls are being assualted it's just an overwhelming number of boys that is the majority of the problem.)
This is why if preists are allowed to marry, this will continue if the priests are actually gay. (note- I'm not saying that every gay priest will do this)
(unless of course "GAY" marriages are suddenly condoned by the church.)
In short, yes, priests should be allowed to marry, but I do not think it will curve the sexual assualts on boys significantly.

[BigCountry]

I church maybe but sexual assults are mostly man on woman.

[Skinzaholic]

In a monestary one time... a group of up and coming priests in training started to argue with an elderly priest about the authenticity of the "original" text of the Bible.

"How do we know it said what we read today?"... they asked.

"We just believe"... was the answer.


Hours later the young student swere looking mfor their teacher and found him crying in the back of the library... sorrounded by stacks and stacks of dusty books.

"What's wrong, Father?"... they asked him.

Withe tears streaming down his crusty old face, the elderly priest looked up at his studnets and said...,

"It says celebRate! celebRate!"

[jsarno]

Originally posted by BigCountry
I church maybe but sexual assults are mostly man on woman.

But the topic is about the church, and 91% are of homosexual nature...will marriage curve this?

Seems to be a topic others are steering away from.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Marriage will not curve this. The people getting married are not the one's committing this crime. The two are unrelated IMO. I don't think the priests are sitting around thinking to themselves, if I can't get married, then I am going to molest a child.

FWIW, I am Lutheran and my particular synod, and I don't know if it is the same with all synods, allows same sex marriage amongst the priests where allowable by state law. In addition, the church (Lutheran, not Catholic) just ordained the first openly gay priest who has had a life long partner. I am rambling, but I my whole point is that the issue of Marriage and the Catholic Church should not be construed as a means to end the abuse of Catholic Priests, I just do not see the two issues as being related.

[jsarno]

good points robert.
So how would you try to curve the preists molesting children?

[BigCountry]

Not really anyway to tell who is a perv before they become priests. I guess the only thing they can do is monitor is very very closely.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by jsarno
good points robert.
So how would you try to curve the preists molesting children?

Unfortunately, we are getting into "Minority Report" territory here. There is just no way to predict who is a pedophile in waiting.

IMO, however, I think the impetus is on the Catholic Church here to be more proactive and immediate in their actions when one is discovered. The answer is not to move the violators from one parish to another and hope he/she stops. I don't think people in general blame the church that it happens at all, the appalling thing is that it happens again by the same perpetrators. That is what is 100% preventable, and therefore the saddest part of the story.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

[Spence]

Religious conservatives tend to have a very unhealthy view of human sexuality. How could anyone be shocked about what goes on in the Catholic Church? How could anyone be shocked to learn about all those Protestant preachers who use donations to buy fancy cars and boatloads of hookers? Islamic madrassas are well known as havens for sexual perversion. Catholic teaching informs us that sex is only for procreation--nothing more. How can anyone be surprised that such a church is going to be filled with sexual hypocrisy and deviancy? Many other religious sects are little or no better.

Whenever sex between consenting adults is viewed as sinful, you will find massive sexual hypocrisy and perversion. That's why this sort of thing tends to happen to fundamentalist Protestant churches, Catholic churches, fundamentalist Islamic academies, and ulta-Orthodox Jewish schools.

In Christianity, certain churches avoid this problem. In my Episcopalian Church, we don't really discuss sex much at all, except to support all healthy consensual relationships. Instead, we focus on the important issues of Christianity, such as poverty, injustice, human degradation, and hopelessness.

The central rule of Christ about sexual hypocrisy is summed up with the words "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." A good way to unmask these people is to remember that the people screaming the loudest about sex are usually the ones most screwed up about it.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Spence
Religious conservatives tend to have a very unhealthy view of human sexuality. How could anyone be shocked about what goes on in the Catholic Church? How could anyone be shocked to learn about all those Protestant preachers who use donations to buy fancy cars and boatloads of hookers? Islamic madrassas are well known as havens for sexual perversion. Catholic teaching informs us that sex is only for procreation--nothing more. How can anyone be surprised that such a church is going to be filled with sexual hypocrisy and deviancy? Many other religious sects are little or no better.

This is directly because the catholic church does not follow the bible in regards to sex. I actually laughed at a priest that told me that years and years ago. He wasn't amused. God gave us this sexual drive to be fullfilled with our wives / spouses. Jesus even made note of this. We are not supposed to deny ourselves and just have sex to have children.

Whenever sex between consenting adults is viewed as sinful, you will find massive sexual hypocrisy and perversion. That's why this sort of thing tends to happen to fundamentalist Protestant churches, Catholic churches, fundamentalist Islamic academies, and ulta-Orthodox Jewish schools.

This is also where you find mothers with 3 children from 3 different fathers...massive dead beat dads not paying child support, children being left up for adoption etc. Consenting adults is not what the bible preaches. It's married adults that it is permissable.
The hypocrocy comes when the bible is nt followed, but other rules are. I still shutter at the idea of how God is going to handle the catholic people that worshipped a false idol in Mary.

The central rule of Christ about sexual hypocrisy is summed up with the words "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

that is to be said for those who don't look at themself first, but point the finger at others.
If this were the case, then every man who committed a crime, r sexual assualt or whatever should not be brought to the light, or t trial. After all, we are all sinful, therefore should not point at the other sinners.
The best rule of thumb is that "we are all HUMAN". God gave us sexual urges, not to surpress them. In fact Christ teaches that he understands our urges and we should not be without wife.

I do agree with Robert. The biggest problem we run across is that the priests are hesitant to ban the sexually abusive priests, and that's just flat out wrong.

[BigCountry]

If I was catholic I'd be a big faf heathen.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by BigCountry
If I was catholic I'd be a big faf heathen.


What? You'd molest children? ;)

The catholics do a lot of good in areas, but they have their own set of human rules that distort what Jesus wanted. They are based in good.