Our first round pick

[Oregonian]

Does anyone know for sure the arrangement that we made with Denver in the TJ Duckett deal regarding our first round pick this coming April?

I have heard or read some provision about swapping spots with Denver based on some contingency or other but never learned for sure.

It's a shame to think about the draft and rebuilding at this point in the season.

[bwparker]

I don't have all the details for sure, but I think its something like if we are within 5 draft places of Denver then a switch will occur. But at this point we are way more than 5 draft places from Denver...so its kind of moot. I'd love to see some official breakdown of the trade though. I hear lots of conflicting info.

[akhhorus]

not again, but:

we owe Denver 260 points in the draft chart. How we give it to them is up to us.

[joethefan]

It's a shame to think about the draft and rebuilding at this point in the season.

Why not, we all knew it was giong to take a year to get this offense down....How did you guys expect anything else?....

Look Joe changed the entire system after getting two game s from the SB...that should say something....."Lets just keep changing everything to make it look like the so called 5 year plan is working"..when in all actuality...it aint....I blame Joe for this. He sould have kept things in oder then we would have just been looking at the Defense...instead of everything. When we brought in Sanders, we should have come to grips that we were rebuilding the offense...Am I right ?

[bwparker]

Yeah...looks like the first round swap only happens if we make the playoffs and Denver doesn't. So it should just be 2007 3rd and 2008 4th.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9616229

[akhhorus]

Yeah...looks like the first round swap only happens if we make the playoffs and Denver doesn't. So it should just be 2007 3rd and 2008 4th.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9616229

This might sound odd, but if we had a top 7 pick, and they were picking in the 20s, I would consider trading down there if we could pick up a player and some other picks in 07 and 08. The point scale is such that we could theoretically pick up 3 first day picks in 07 and 08 and a player like Darrant Wiliams. I would do that in a second, if they are willing to.

[joethefan]

This might sound odd, but if we had a top 7 pick, and they were picking in the 20s, I would consider trading down there if we could pick up a player and some other picks in 07 and 08. The point scale is such that we could theoretically pick up 3 first day picks in 07 and 08 and a player like Darrant Wiliams. I would do that in a second, if they are willing to.
you stole my thunder....I wrote a thread about that in the Draft room

[akhhorus]

you stole my thunder....I wrote a thread about that in the Draft room

Ive mentioned that several times in the past also though.

[shally]

Ive mentioned that several times in the past also though.

yes, you have.

i think the key to the draft for the skins will be to avoid the temptation of a "sexy" top 7 pick and trade down for several solid future starters.. we desperately need more than 1 first day pick.
then again, we need to hit on more than our first rounder for once..

[akhhorus]

yes, you have.

i think the key to the draft for the skins will be to avoid the temptation of a "sexy" top 7 pick and trade down for several solid future starters.. we desperately need more than 1 first day pick.
then again, we need to hit on more than our first rounder for once..

The problem is that this draft's talent so far looks strong from 1-6, then from 20-30.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

not again, but:

we owe Denver 260 points in the draft chart. How we give it to them is up to us.
Should it be in the next draft? If not, we could give them our next 20 7th rounders or something like that ;)

[joethefan]

Ive mentioned that several times in the past also though.

I guess i take a back seat to you again..huh?....:lol1:

[joethefan]

yes, you have.

i think the key to the draft for the skins will be to avoid the temptation of a "sexy" top 7 pick and trade down for several solid future starters.. we desperately need more than 1 first day pick.
then again, we need to hit on more than our first rounder for once..i guess that means no draft party this year either huh?....well back to Dave and Busters...At this point i'd rather go there anyway other than giving Danny any more of my money....

[akhhorus]

Should it be in the next draft? If not, we could give them our next 20 7th rounders or something like that ;)

I think there's 96 acceptable scenarios which the satisfy the trade. If the Skins aren't picking in the top 6, they should seriously thinking about trading down to the 17-22 range, then swapping with the broncos to satisfy the trade.

I guess i take a back seat to you again..huh?....:lol1

Nah, diseased minds think alike.

[bwparker]

I think trading from 1-7 up to 17-22 is harder than people think. Everyone always advocates this, because there is more value to be had...but NFL teams know this as well and will only trade up if there is a specific player they are targeting.

It just seems like people talk about this scenario alot for teams with high picks, but teams don't do it nearly as often as would be expected and I think it because successful teams aren't overly excited about trading away multiple draft picks so they can move up and gamble on a single player.

[dj_stouty]

I'll take the top 10 pick for no other reason than it will make draft day more interesting. ;)

[Skins7ny]

[QUOTE=akhhorus]I think there's 96 acceptable scenarios which the satisfy the trade. If the Skins aren't picking in the top 6, they should seriously thinking about trading down to the 17-22 range, then swapping with the broncos to satisfy the trade.

The NFL has a rule that prevents teams from diminishing the value of a pick it owes another team by trading down in the round. For example, if you owe the Jets your 2nd-round draft choice for a little-used LB (hypothetically speaking, of course :) ), and you pick 10th in the round, you cannot take that pick and trade it down to the Falcons at number 20, pocket an extra 3rd-rounder and then give the Jets the 20th pick in the round.

Of course, given the novelty of the trade arrangement the Skins have with the Broncos on this deal, that rule may not apply. It is an interesting question.

Why isn't this whole discussion moot? If the Skins owe the Broncos the equivalent of a high 3, and we look like we are going to have a high 3 :banghead:, I presume that we will just give them our 3 this year, and hold on to next year's 4. Of course, if it is our option, then who knows what we will do. Ironically, the trade was made in this novel fashion in order to protect Shanahan in case we had a low pick in the round. What a naive concern that turned out to be-for all of us!

[akhhorus]

The NFL has a rule that prevents teams from diminishing the value of a pick it owes another team by trading down in the round. For example, if you owe the Jets your 2nd-round draft choice for a little-used LB (hypothetically speaking, of course :) ), and you pick 10th in the round, you cannot take that pick and trade it down to the Falcons at number 20, pocket an extra 3rd-rounder and then give the Jets the 20th pick in the round.

I've never heard of this rule. Link? And if this was true, the NFL would have rejected the Duckett trade because a lot of the potential scenarios are based on that.

Of course, given the novelty of the trade arrangement the Skins have with the Broncos on this deal, that rule may not apply. It is an interesting question.

Why isn't this whole discussion moot? If the Skins owe the Broncos the equivalent of a high 3, and we look like we are going to have a high 3 :banghead:, I presume that we will just give them our 3 this year, and hold on to next year's 4. Of course, if it is our option, then who knows what we will do. Ironically, the trade was made in this novel fashion in order to protect Shanahan in case we had a low pick in the round. What a naive concern that turned out to be-for all of us!

Huh? If anything, it doesn't protect Shanahan at all. If we had a low pick, then they would basically get the same(and probably less over all).

[X-Factor13]

This might sound odd, but if we had a top 7 pick, and they were picking in the 20s, I would consider trading down there if we could pick up a player and some other picks in 07 and 08. The point scale is such that we could theoretically pick up 3 first day picks in 07 and 08 and a player like Darrant Wiliams. I would do that in a second, if they are willing to.


oh dude. If we got darrant williams from them it would openly weep out of joy. he is a great young corner, and to get 2 more picks? WOO!!!

[redskin_rich]

Our 3rd rounder alone will not be enough to match the 260 pt value that was promised the Broncos as a part of the trade, unless we are 2nd overall in drafting order. It is definitely looking like Denver will get our 3rd in '07 and either a 4th in '08 or a 5th in '07. Whatever we choose.

My question is this-- Is it possible to swap 1st round picks and also receive an additional pick from Denver to make up the point difference? If Denver were willing, of course. In other words, can the trade be altered, as long as the original points[260] remain the same and both parties are willing?

[akhhorus]

Our 3rd rounder alone will not be enough to match the 260 pt value that was promised the Broncos as a part of the trade, unless we are 2nd overall in drafting order. It is definitely looking like Denver will get our 3rd in '07 and either a 4th in '08 or a 5th in '07. Whatever we choose.

My question is this-- Is it possible to swap 1st round picks and also receive an additional pick from Denver to make up the point difference? If Denver were willing, of course. In other words, can the trade be altered, as long as the original points[260] remain the same and both parties are willing?

It might require NFL approval, but yes in theory it could. We would just have to make the trade for a 260 draft point difference in favor of the Broncos.

[Oregonian]

oh dude. If we got darrant williams from them it would openly weep out of joy. he is a great young corner, and to get 2 more picks? WOO!!!
Sounds great, but doesn't it seem like every time we do a deal with Denver we end up getting hosed?

[akhhorus]

Sounds great, but doesn't it seem like every time we do a deal with Denver we end up getting hosed?

Talk to us after Campbell plays awhile. If he pans out, then we got Portis and Campbell for Champ and late 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a 4th. It depends on Campbell, but if he's a solid-very good starter, it would be hard to say we got hosed.

[redskin_rich]

Sounds great, but doesn't it seem like every time we do a deal with Denver we end up getting hosed?
We made out on the value charts with the Jason Campbell deal. The Portis deal cost us a 2nd round pick and was well worth it. We didn't really give up Champ because he was a free agent and had no plans on resigning with us. If we had held him with the franchise tag, he most definitely would have been a holdout and would have crippled our cap situation.

[skinsfan36]

we need to get like 2 more draft picks a 1st,5th,6th,7th we need at least a 4th too

[CowboyKilla]

We will have our 1st round pick. If we had any brains we'd trade down as much as possible and pick up as many picks as possible along the way.

[bigcmr]

Duckett trade. I think and this is only if I can recall. We swap picks in round 1 with Denver only if we end up with no. 21 pick or lower. If not we will have to give them a 3rd in 07 and a 4th in 08. But keep in mind this was a very complected trade with 900 different scenarios.