What if Brunell leaves next year? [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

HAWGZHEAD

11-13-2006, 08:18 PM

Does anyone feel comfortable with Collins as our main back-up? Who will be available and who would you like to see us bring in if Brunell should decide to hang up those cleats for the last time.

dj_stouty

11-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Good question. The Redskins may decide to part with Mark due to his backloaded contract.

I really hope they keep him around for another year, because I think Jason could really learn something from him.

Either way, they will need a guy at #2 with experience. Collins, despite knowing all 700 pages of that damn playbook, has no field experience. I'd rather have a guy like Griese, Kitna or Batch be our #2. (For the record, I have no clue if they are available next season) Basically...a guy with a few more season left in him, but is content being a backup.

golongdude

11-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Would like to see Leftwich, but think he'll be a starter somewhere.

redskin_rich

11-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Damon Huard will be available. Here is a link to free agents in '07 but I think there are more than what is listed.

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=QB

HAWGZHEAD

11-13-2006, 08:34 PM

Good question. The Redskins may decide to part with Mark due to his backloaded contractI stole the main premise of this thread from a comment by NCskinsfanatic in another thread. When I read it I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. I hope he stays but yeah I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Griese come in for us.

Any chance Flutie comes out of retirement? :)

HAWGZHEAD

11-13-2006, 08:37 PM

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 08:41 PM

Damon Huard will be available. Here is a link to free agents in '07 but I think there are more than what is listed.

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=QB

I actually think there is a QB controversy there currently, do you really think Trent Green is going to set foot on the field again this year? Trent Green is getting up there in age......

Any chance of Trent Green coming this way to reunite with Saunders?

HAWGZHEAD

11-13-2006, 08:43 PM

I actually think there is a QB controversy there currently, do you really think Trent Green is going to set foot on the field again this year? Trent Green is getting up there in age......

Any chance of Trent Green coming this way to reunite with Saunders?That would be a great grab for us IMO if he is ready to be a backup. Don't know what his whole status is in KC right now though. I can't see KC letting HUard go the way he has performed so far.

dabro

11-13-2006, 08:46 PM

I'd like to see Collins get in a real game. He did alright in preseason, and he seemed to see the field well. Plus, he's Saunders' guy. You can't automatically assume he sucks until you've seen him play.

Green-Is-Good

11-13-2006, 08:54 PM

I think Kitna would want to start for a few more years
He is on track to beat many Lions passing records this year

BurgundyNGold

11-13-2006, 09:00 PM

redskin_rich

11-13-2006, 09:09 PM

Huard might get to be a starter after this season. At KC if nowhere else. Trent Green isn't getting any younger.
Huard or Green could likely end up here, they both are well versed in Saunders system. BTW, Huard is no spring chicken himself, he will be 34 next season.

bgforever

11-13-2006, 09:12 PM

I actually think there is a QB controversy there currently, do you really think Trent Green is going to set foot on the field again this year? Trent Green is getting up there in age......

Any chance of Trent Green coming this way to reunite with Saunders?

My allusion also. Green may figure, if he's to be a backup, why not a familiar setting and coach. when he left, it was when there was turmoil and Snyder hadn't taken the reigns, I believe or it was his first year, but Casserly was on the way out, without giving Green a sure fire contract.

greatest2

11-13-2006, 09:16 PM

redskin_rich

11-13-2006, 09:30 PM

lets forget about green or Huard, they are both goin to start SOMEWHERE next year, same with byron and Garrad...

here is my thought, keep collins, get another veteran around age 27-29, prefferably 28, he learns from saunders and collins for his first year, then collins is gone and that guys is a backup for us for awhile....

just what i think would be best, but who am i:rolleyes:
Of course, I was speaking in the hypothetical sense, with Green or Huard, on the assumption if Brunell were to retire/be released. I personally think that Brunell would be willing to do a restructure of his salary and remain here for at least another year. He is not going to get a starting job anywhere else and very few QB's make it through an entire season. He could be back on the field in the blink of an eye.

SkinsASchamps

11-13-2006, 09:32 PM

I say draft someone late or sign a vet cheap. Let MB go. I dont want Leftwich or someone that will make JC nervous. Bring in competition but not someone to freak a young QB out.

CarMike

11-13-2006, 09:32 PM

I'm not so sure that Saunders will be around next year. If Saunders isn't around, Collins may leave as well.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:33 PM

Huard might get to be a starter after this season. At KC if nowhere else. Trent Green isn't getting any younger.

After this season? I am willing to bet that he currently is, and will continue to be, even when Green is ready.......when the dust clears in the next 2 weeks I am betting that Huard is going to be the man with the job.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:34 PM

I'm not so sure that Saunders will be around next year. If Saunders isn't around, Collins may leave as well.

Hmmm.......maybe headed out my way to take over the Cardinals?

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:36 PM

I think Kitna would want to start for a few more years
He is on track to beat many Lions passing records this year

I think Kitna is going to settle down with Detroit, the only thing I think will change his attitude is if Martz leaves Detroit. The only way I see that happening is if Martz is offered the Cardinals job.

CarMike

11-13-2006, 09:36 PM

Hmmm.......maybe headed out my way to take over the Cardinals?
I don't see that happening with Leinart at the helm. Maybe a backup? Or are you talking about AS?

redskin_rich

11-13-2006, 09:39 PM

Hmmm.......maybe headed out my way to take over the Cardinals?
Saunders ain't going anywhere and especially not there. It would be a disaster for us to change schemes again after this year and Gibbs rarely makes those kind of changes.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:40 PM

I don't see that happening with Leinart at the helm. Maybe a backup? Or are you talking about AS?

Saunders.

Skins Guy

11-13-2006, 09:42 PM

Vinny Testaverde should come out of retirement, that guys a monster! :)

silverspring

11-13-2006, 09:43 PM

I think collins is trash but if brunell leaves we would be fools to also let collins go, assuming we stick with the same system.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:44 PM

Saunders ain't going anywhere and especially not there. It would be a disaster for us to change schemes again after this year and Gibbs rarely makes those kind of changes.

I would give it a low chance of happening, but Arizona has the players and the style that resembles Saunders system. The only problem he would have to address is the Oline. Everything else is in place for him[a dink and dunk QB, great vertical receivers that can stretch the field for the runner and a "edge" type runner[no pun intended], and it would afford him the chance for what he was looking for this past offseason [a head coaching position].

The low chance would be the low pay the perennial Cards would offer, the line issue, and probably most importantly the refusal of the Redskins to allow teams to talk with Saunders.

C-7

11-13-2006, 09:45 PM

Would like to see Leftwich, but think he'll be a starter somewhere.

What you want is a qb controversy, lol.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:45 PM

Vinny Testaverde should come out of retirement, that guys a monster! :)

Do you think Theisman has recovered from his injury and is rested up and rared up enough for another shot at the trophy?

redskin_rich

11-13-2006, 09:47 PM

I would give it a low chance of happening, but Arizona has the players and the style that resembles Saunders system. The only problem he would have to address is the Oline. Everything else is in place for him[a dink and dunk QB, great vertical receivers that can stretch the field for the runner and a "edge" type runner[no pun intended], and it would afford him the chance for what he was looking for this past offseason [a head coaching position].

The low chance would be the low pay the perennial Cards would offer, the line issue, and probably most importantly the refusal of the Redskins to allow teams to talk with Saunders.
LOL, Al would have to take a cut in pay to coach there. Not going to happen. Also, Al has been around long enough to know that working for Bidwell is a losing proposition.

FanFromArizona

11-13-2006, 09:48 PM

Would like to see Leftwich, but think he'll be a starter somewhere.

probably right. We won't be able to offer the right compensation level, both to Leftwich and the Jags.

Skins Guy

11-13-2006, 09:58 PM

Do you think Theisman has recovered from his injury and is rested up and rared up enough for another shot at the trophy?

hahahaha, he's lookin ready on MNF right now. He looks eager to get back onto the field

X-Factor13

11-13-2006, 10:50 PM

The way i hope it turns out is that mark retires after this/next year, and he becomes a great coach for us.

skinsfan36

11-14-2006, 12:28 AM

sam hollenbach lol

CowboyKilla

11-14-2006, 01:34 AM

Collins plus a youngster we take in the later rounds sounds fine.

RedHokieSkin

11-14-2006, 09:58 AM

I'm thinking Bledsoe. :)

openallnight

11-14-2006, 10:30 AM

We should make a new HailRedskin Law:
1. No discussing NEXT season until at least after Thanksgiving.

shally

11-14-2006, 11:27 AM

Does anyone feel comfortable with Collins as our main back-up? Who will be available and who would you like to see us bring in if Brunell should decide to hang up those cleats for the last time.

an interesting question.. MB will not be back at the salary he is due to earn. so it means he either comes back for something far less, or he simply retires..

i am NOT comfortable with collins as backup and i do not think gibbs necessarily is... but i think as long as saunders is managing the offense, that is who we will get.

if so, we will draft late or pick up an undrafted college qb to be #3... or gibbs might opt for a vet qb, just in case.. a lot has to do with how much JC progresses the rest of the year.

the reality is that i do NOT want to see collins onthe field at all next year except in preseason

shally

11-14-2006, 11:34 AM

Damon Huard will be available. Here is a link to free agents in '07 but I think there are more than what is listed.

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=QB

not a lot of good options there... guys like huard and simms are going to want to start somewhere. they would not sign on to be #2 except in desperation.

the others ? meh !!!.. better to go with someone like bramlett or to try and fine another young guy.

collins and rattay are not worth it.. maybe there might be afew more.

wright has his moments.. might be the best option on that list

esmith1790

11-14-2006, 11:52 AM

Skins7ny

11-14-2006, 11:56 AM

That would be a great grab for us IMO if he is ready to be a backup. Don't know what his whole status is in KC right now though. I can't see KC letting HUard go the way he has performed so far.

I don't see Brunell returning next year. He is not going to play for a backup's salary and I don't think he wants to stick around as a backup. If Green is cut loose, he will be in demand as a starter. I am hoping that by then, Campbell will have established himself as our starter. If not, I would be surprised if Green is available and we don't make a serious play for him (if Saunders is still around).

redskin_rich

11-14-2006, 12:10 PM

well the cowboys will be looking as well, so that means for the skins to get their man and keep anyone from getting the guy they want they will trade for him or give him a boat load of money. What proof do you have the FO will change there methods...Sure would be nice to have all those picks and Romo.
..... Huh? :banghead:

I'm feeling rather masochistic today, could you please explain this fantasy of your's that somehow the Redskins will trade draft pics to Dallas to secure a backup QB?

Dolla Bill

11-14-2006, 12:12 PM

What about Tony Banks? :D

I keed! I keed!

PA Skins Girl

11-14-2006, 12:22 PM

Mark is going to count $6.633 million against the cap in 2007. $5.200 million of that is salary. IMO, he would need to take a significant salary cut to keep him on as a backup.

If released before June 1, he would count $4.300 million against the cap in 2007 (a $2.333 savings).

If released after June 1, he would count $1.433 million in 2007 (a $5.200 million savings) and $2.867 million in 2008.

If he doesnt agree to a pay cut, it may be time to cut our losses and move on. In that case, I could see Todd as our backup and a young late rounder as a third string.

Of course this assumes Jason does well enough these last 7 games to be the starter going into 2007.

smoak

11-14-2006, 12:53 PM

Of course, I was speaking in the hypothetical sense, with Green or Huard, on the assumption if Brunell were to retire/be released. I personally think that Brunell would be willing to do a restructure of his salary and remain here for at least another year. He is not going to get a starting job anywhere else and very few QB's make it through an entire season. He could be back on the field in the blink of an eye.

My ideal scenario would be for Brunell to restructure and stay as a backup.

Patrick

11-14-2006, 01:10 PM

My ideal scenario would be for Brunell to restructure and stay as a backup.

Agree with you smoak .......... the problem will IF he has the desire to return at a lesser pay.

joethefan

11-14-2006, 01:16 PM

Right now, Collins is praying that Sanders get's this right...who is he gonna play for next year if Sanders rolls out?....they;ll play along for another year after this one and if it doesn't work the collins is out and Sanders might be as well...I'm not sure Collins is a good #2...

Listen if you can't beat brunell out in pre season when you know and knew the playbook!!...ISN"T THAT A PROBLEM?????

smoak

11-14-2006, 01:19 PM

Agree with you smoak .......... the problem will IF he has the desire to return at a lesser pay.

Yeah, I can't answer that obviously.... I'd like to say he would based on the fact that he did coming into '06 and Gibbs has always been loyal to him.... But I don't know. I am NOT a fan of Collins at all thanks to a less than stellar preseason, and I can't see us spending big bucks on a backup so...

If Mark isn't here I say draft a QB to compete/backup Campbell. I am a huge fan of letting athletes compete and not giving them a sense of entitlement to the starting role.

dj_stouty

11-14-2006, 01:19 PM

Agree with you smoak .......... the problem will IF he has the desire to return at a lesser pay.

This contract was his last payday...so aside from the SB he already got, his only additional $ will be from salary. Either he can restructure and get paid...or he will be cut and hope to get a fair shake somewhere else.

Even though Brunell thinks in his head he can still be a starter for another 1-2 years, I'm guessing he cuts his losses, restructures and retires a Redskin in '07 or '08. Who knows...maybe Mark wants to get into coaching? Hanging around Gibbs, Saunders, Williams and Bugel for another few years would really be beneficial.

shally

11-14-2006, 01:21 PM

Agree with you smoak .......... the problem will IF he has the desire to return at a lesser pay.

what other option does he really have ? no one really wanted him 3 years ago except us. and now ? he will be lucky to be offered a back up role anywhere..

the question is simply whether he wants to move on into post nfl life

dj_stouty

11-14-2006, 01:23 PM

he will be lucky to be offered a back up role anywhere..

I could see a division rival give him the vet minimum to share Joe and Al's secrets...

shally

11-14-2006, 01:23 PM

This contract was his last payday...so aside from the SB he already got, his only additional $ will be from salary. Either he can restructure and get paid...or he will be cut and hope to get a fair shake somewhere else.

Even though Brunell thinks in his head he can still be a starter for another 1-2 years, I'm guessing he cuts his losses, restructures and retires a Redskin in '07 or '08. Who knows...maybe Mark wants to get into coaching? Hanging around Gibbs, Saunders, Williams and Bugel for another few years would really be beneficial.

if he does do that, i think that would be the ideal situation.. cut collins and get a true #3 like what we once had in rypien or humphries and hope that in a couple years he grows into a servicable backup.. and if lightning strikes a marketable player

shally

11-14-2006, 01:26 PM

I could see a division rival give him the vet minimum to share Joe and Al's secrets...

SECRETS ?

parcells might understand saunders offense better than our players.. as for gibbs, when he was running things it was basic smash mouth football with the random long pass over the top..

besides, let's hope our opponents try to copy saunder's "genius" and their offenses all flounder and crash and burn next year like ours did.. we might win the division by default..

smoak

11-14-2006, 01:32 PM

I could see a division rival give him the vet minimum to share Joe and Al's secrets...

I can't see Brunell being dumb enough to fall for that.

Philly wouldn't want him as they run a verticle WCO. The Giants desperately need a veteran backup so maybe Coughlin would reach out... If MB went to dallass as a pawn, I'd take back all my defense of him. :D

The Giants are the only possibility that I see and it is a real one. Anyone know how the coach/QB relationship was under Coughlin?

redwolf1218

11-14-2006, 01:32 PM

i feel like Brunell handing the torch to Campbell is similar to Theisman handing it over to Schraeder (minus the broken leg of course). but the similarities end there, because Collins is no Doug Williams (and neither is Brunell). so what we need is a Doug Williams to back up Campbell, and Collins can stay as the 3rd QB/player coach.

PyroGenic

11-14-2006, 01:39 PM

*ahem* Patrick Ramsey

I'll go away now lol

shally

11-14-2006, 01:57 PM

*ahem* Patrick Ramsey

I'll go away now lol

maybe he is "supersmart " enoughto understand saunders offense.

i think next year ramsey will be happy to just have a job in the nfl anywhere..

smoak

11-14-2006, 02:19 PM

maybe he is "supersmart " enoughto understand saunders offense.

i think next year ramsey will be happy to just have a job in the nfl anywhere..

Actually, I think with the nasty lack of talent in the NFL, even PRam will have a couple teams intertested. Many teams don't have a backup with real NFL experience and everyone thinks they can take player x and get better production.

shally

11-14-2006, 02:29 PM

Actually, I think with the nasty lack of talent in the NFL, even PRam will have a couple teams intertested. Many teams don't have a backup with real NFL experience and everyone thinks they can take player x and get better production.

given that harrington has had a definite improvement in miami, it is not without possibility that ramsey might find a situation that is right for him.
look how long huard bumped along...

i could see oakland taking a shot at ramsey because of his ability to throw long.. that is really dysfunctional there, but as i said, Ram will not be in the best situation this offseason

Green-Is-Good

11-14-2006, 03:31 PM

We should make a new HailRedskin Law:
1. No discussing NEXT season until at least after Thanksgiving.

For Redskin fans, it's always next season

shally

11-14-2006, 03:35 PM

For Redskin fans, it's always next season

amen....hope springs eternal and all that stuff.. we are kings of the off season.. at least we can look forward to another "unofficial" championship

HAWGZHEAD

11-14-2006, 05:17 PM

We should make a new HailRedskin Law:
1. No discussing NEXT season until at least after Thanksgiving.Next season for me pretty much started yesterday. I am not saying I don't care about the rest of this season but it is all building from here on out.

redskins567

11-14-2006, 05:34 PM

We should make a new HailRedskin Law:
1. No discussing NEXT season until at least after Thanksgiving.

Man law!

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