Is Carlos ever gonna get it

[joethefan]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that. That seems mighty funny. Cause why does it take someone that's not in the loop in Ashburn for GW to acknowledge that his technique is wrong on those type of plays.

I have a huge issue with that. Aren't you supposed to pay attention while your on the field to the down and distance....He's playing prevent when he should be playing man. This tells me that Carlos is scared to play man thinking he might get burnt. I would rather more aggression then being passive. It seems to me that GW should be repremanding him if he's doing that outside of his assignment. Then when he comes up to either assist or make a tackle, he's switching like he actualy did something. Then he'll be the one gving an interview on 980 like he's worthy of that. I have an issue with that. I sure hope he understands that he's playing in the pros and not in high school. It's like he's scared to make a play as opposed to let me not give up a big one. So let me stand on the 10 with offense on the 50 so I won't give up a big one....well on 3rd and 4, playing 10 yards back and the reciever gets 8, you just have up a big one.

Thoughts

[dj_stouty]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that. That seems mighty funny. Cause why does it take someone that's not in the loop in Ashburn for GW to acknowledge that his technique is wrong on those type of plays.

I have a huge issue with that. Aren't you supposed to pay attention while yor on the field to the dwon and distance....He's playing prevent when he should be playing man. This tells me that Carlos is scared to play man thinking he might get burnt. I would rather more aggression then being passive. It seems to me that GW should be repremanding him if he's doing that outside of his assignment. Then when he comes up to either assist or make a tackle, he's switching like he actualy did something. Then he'll be the one gving an interview on 980 like he's worthy of that. I have an issue with that. I sure hope he understands that he's playing in the pros and not in high school. It's like he's scared to make a play as opposed to let me not give up a big one. So let me stand on the 10 with offense on the 50 so I won't give up a big one....well on 3rd and 4, playing 10 yards back and the reciever gets 8, you just have up a big one.

Thoughts

Yes...but it looked like he was just as far off the receivers as Springs was. If GW doesn't like it, he needs to correct it earlier into the game.

[Patrick]

I don't know but the WORD "BUST" keeps coming to mind for me. Rogers is a phyical player but I don't think he's a smart one.

[smoak]

Whoever was covering the WR in the slot left the same cushion b/c McNabb had his pick of the targets for the first down. I think they are all just so scared to get beat deep.

[joethefan]

Yes...but it looked like he was just as far off the receivers as Springs was. If GW doesn't like it, he needs to correct it earlier into the game.I saw springs playing up on his guys some times but I never saw carlos do it....

But why does it take someone again who is not the coach to make this obersavation...that's my problem.

[CNYSkinFan]

Yes...but it looked like he was just as far off the receivers as Springs was. If GW doesn't like it, he needs to correct it earlier into the game.
exactly. GW allowed those 15 yard cushions last year as well. That is coaching. If I were GW and we were not in some kind of modified zone the cushion would be no more then 5 yards and definitely not beyond the first down marker on 3rd and short situations. Ridiculous

[hail2skins]

I saw springs playing up on his guys some times but I never saw carlos do it....

But why does it take someone again who is not the coach to make this obersavation...that's my problem.Then your problem should be with the coach. I'm GW has seen him doing it since he watches every play and reviews all game film. It's his (GW) fault that Rogers is doing it.

[joethefan]

exactly. GW allowed those 15 yard cushions last year as well. That is coaching. If I were GW and we were not in some kind of modified zone the cushion would be no more then 5 yards and definitely not beyond the first down marker on 3rd and short situations. Ridiculous
I'm sorry you give up a 15 yard cushion when you're up by 17 in the firht quarter...you don't do it while you're still in the game

[joethefan]

Then your problem should be with the coach. I'm GW has seen him doing it since he watches every play and reviews all game film. It's his (GW) fault that Rogers is doing it.
I agree...my problem is with the coaching strategy...but also you have to make plays even when you're in their....

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm sorry you give up a 15 yard cushion when you're up by 17 in the firht quarter...you don't do it while you're still in the game
I agree, but GW's defense has allowed these cushions for the last 3 years. I don't like it either but it is not just Rogers. Wright this year and Harris last year was allowed to do it as well.

When a problem persists throughout multiple players then it is coaching. eithart the coaches are fine with the cushions or they have not bothered to correct that with their players. Either way you got to blame the coaches here.

[redskin_rich]

Then your problem should be with the coach. I'm GW has seen him doing it since he watches every play and reviews all game film. It's his (GW) fault that Rogers is doing it.
Exactly, right or wrong, it is by design. I don't care what GW says on some radio show, he called the defense that lined the CB's up where they are on any given play. If you want to complain about Carlos' lack of hands, not turning towards the ball or his lack of instincts, then an argument can be made.

[joethefan]

Exactly, right or wrong, it is by design. I don't care what GW says on some radio show, he called the defense that lined the CB's up where they are on any given play. If you want to complain about Carlos' lack of hands, not turning towards the ball or his lack of instincts, then an argument can be made.


Well I didn't even bring up those dreadful Qualities...but since you did let's all be even more happier with the pick...

[PennSkinsFan]

This all lies on GW and Coach Grey. That is there job. Why did it take this long to notice it. Are they not paying attention enough to game films or seeing this in practice. Rogers plays the way he does because he has been permitted to and what he is used to. The statement of "i need to speak with him about that is absurd. Rogers HAS BEEN playing that way and it took a 3-6 record to catch his attention despit ethe fact that pass defense has been killing us since week one?????? This one is all on GW and Coach Grey!

[esmith1790]

there too busy thinking about asking DS for a raise cause the team isnt giving up so many points. try to get them to believe the D is better. It takes a lot of personal time to spend all that money when you get paid so much. Maybe he needs a little TV next to him so he can see the "YELLOW" first down marker and tell the players to line up. No wait better yet during practice they should have a drill for the WR/DB Coach Joe should go buy a 50 foot long yellow strip and place it on the field. Then tell the DBs hey this yellow line is the first down marker line. dont let the WR get passed it. Dont line up so far away from it. This way when the fans are watching the game, they can say to each other...Hey look our DBs are pressing up and didnt allow the WR a big cushion on 3rd down.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I've witnessed this as well. They start up close to the line before the ball is snap, then it looks like they bail out and start back pedaling immediately. It makes it way too easy for the opposition. I think this maybe blamed more on the D staff rather than the players. I mean if Rogers is scared of getting burnt, then give him safety help, oh yeah thats right......we got Archualeta back there :cussing:

[joethefan]

I've witnessed this as well. They start up close to the line before the ball is snap, then it looks like they bail out and start back pedaling immediately. It makes it way too easy for the opposition. I think this maybe blamed more on the D staff rather than the players. I mean if Rogers is scared of getting burnt, then give him safety help, oh yeah thats right......we got Archualeta back there :cussing:well we all know how that has worked...:banghead:

[openallnight]

I don't know if signals were crossed or what but, on 3 occasions of 3rd and 5 or less I saw both corners playing 7+ yards off the ball. To me this isn't a Rogers problem this is a defensive alignment problem and Williams should be held responsible for those sorts of problems.

[Brokenstriker]

Maybe half a season of having Arch cover his 6 has him gun shy?

[shally]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that. That seems mighty funny. Cause why does it take someone that's not in the loop in Ashburn for GW to acknowledge that his technique is wrong on those type of plays.

I have a huge issue with that. Aren't you supposed to pay attention while your on the field to the down and distance....He's playing prevent when he should be playing man. This tells me that Carlos is scared to play man thinking he might get burnt. I would rather more aggression then being passive. It seems to me that GW should be repremanding him if he's doing that outside of his assignment. Then when he comes up to either assist or make a tackle, he's switching like he actualy did something. Then he'll be the one gving an interview on 980 like he's worthy of that. I have an issue with that. I sure hope he understands that he's playing in the pros and not in high school. It's like he's scared to make a play as opposed to let me not give up a big one. So let me stand on the 10 with offense on the 50 so I won't give up a big one....well on 3rd and 4, playing 10 yards back and the reciever gets 8, you just have up a big one.

Thoughts

that is really odd. since when is GW hesistant to rip any of his players when they are out of position ?
something is really looser this year... not a good sign

[skinsfan36]

the cushion is coaching! its gw not rogers remember walt harris last year! and rogers has only given up 1 td yes he gives up to many catches but he will pan out.

[Skinz4lyfe]

It's definitely coaching. I remember in the 2nd Dallas game this year, when TO scored his TD, Springs was so far off of him there was no way he could have done anything to prevent it. Like others have mentioned, in years past Harris, Smoot, and our other corners were victomized because of all the cushion they'd give the WRs they were playing against. Slowly I am losing faith in GW. He chose the players and our defense continues to get progressively worse every year. Something's not right.

[LASKINFAN]

It's definitely coaching. I remember in the 2nd Dallas game this year, when TO scored his TD, Springs was so far off of him there was no way he could have done anything to prevent it. Like others have mentioned, in years past Harris, Smoot, and our other corners were victomized because of all the cushion they'd give the WRs they were playing against. Slowly I am losing faith in GW. He chose the players and our defense continues to get progressively worse every year. Something's not right.
:banghead: its the scheme he runs week in and week out , however no pressure on the qb makes it a horrible defense as we have seen all year.for me carlos needs to spend extra time after practice with a ball machine(you know catching the ball). we can only hope for a good vet in f/a and move the hands of stone to our nickel package!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LASKINFAN]

:banghead: its the scheme he runs week in and week out , however no pressure on the qb makes it a horrible defense as we have seen all year.for me carlos needs to spend extra time after practice with a ball machine(you know catching the ball). we can only hope for a good vet in f/a and move the hands of stone to our nickel package!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:cry: oh yea i just remembered that we passed on shawn merriman for carlos dodger hows that workin out .

[redwolf1218]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that.
Thoughts
i was watching that post-game show too and that comment struck me as odd. i thought the coaches told them to play or back by design as it applies to the package or coverages or whatever.

i used to think they always had Smoot playing back because he was a beanpole and a bigger receiver would have thrown him over into the gatoraid cooler if he tried to play bump and run. i dont know how many first-down slants i saw Smoot give up against big guys like Keyshawn, playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 4. but Rogers is supposed to be physical and sturdy enough to take on the bigger receivers.

the guys on the show (i think it was Brian Mitchell in particular) were saying that Rogers has no confidence in his ability, so he's playing back too far off the line.

[shally]

i was watching that post-game show too and that comment struck me as odd. i thought the coaches told them to play or back by design as it applies to the package or coverages or whatever.

i used to think they always had Smoot playing back because he was a beanpole and a bigger receiver would have thrown him over into the gatoraid cooler if he tried to play bump and run. i dont know how many first-down slants i saw Smoot give up against big guys like Keyshawn, playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 4. but Rogers is supposed to be physical and sturdy enough to take on the bigger receivers.

the guys on the show (i think it was Brian Mitchell in particular) were saying that Rogers has no confidence in his ability, so he's playing back too far off the line.

this season has been a real downer for rogers.. hopefully he can get things settled down.. but the safety help has been poor and that has not helped at all

[redwolf1218]

this season has been a real downer for rogers.. hopefully he can get things settled down.. but the safety help has been poor and that has not helped at all
i think the combined losses of Ryan Clark, Prioleau and Springs for a while, may have really hurt everyone worse than we know.

[smoak]

i think the combined losses of Ryan Clark, Prioleau and Springs for a while, may have really hurt everyone worse than we know.

Agreed (especially Proleau who I don't think fans appreciate).

BUT. The guys who are here are playing below their abilities. I don't believe AA forgot how to play football. I don't believe Rogers, Taylor, and Springs forgot how to cover. I don't believe that MW, Marshall, Griff, Taylor, and the entire defense forgot how to tackle. They are playing without heart, enthusiasm, and proper coaching. It is a correctable situation IMO and I trust GW to make the necessary adjustments.

[shally]

Agreed (especially Proleau who I don't think fans appreciate).

BUT. The guys who are here are playing below their abilities. I don't believe AA forgot how to play football. I don't believe Rogers, Taylor, and Springs forgot how to cover. I don't believe that MW, Marshall, Griff, Taylor, and the entire defense forgot how to tackle. They are playing without heart, enthusiasm, and proper coaching. It is a correctable situation IMO and I trust GW to make the necessary adjustments.

it is a "malaise" for sure..

in that sense, starting JC may be big.. anything that brings energy and optimism to the squad, even on offense, is likely to be contagious in a good sense..

[RedskinRyan]

it is a "malaise" for sure..

in that sense, starting JC may be big.. anything that brings energy and optimism to the squad, even on offense, is likely to be contagious in a good sense..

i sure hope so, would def make this year a little easier to take

i did see rogers cover nicely on a few plays vs philly, and wasnt badly beaten either, i think it was his best game of the year, although in a 27-3 loss, that isnt saying much.

[smoak]

it is a "malaise" for sure..

in that sense, starting JC may be big.. anything that brings energy and optimism to the squad, even on offense, is likely to be contagious in a good sense..

Couldn't agree more! Campbell needs to be a leader on the field more than he needs to hit bombs, but just the threat of going down field more should make the offense more excited right? We needed something to lift spirits and hopefully this works.

[joethefan]

Couldn't agree more! Campbell needs to be a leader on the field more than he needs to hit bombs, but just the threat of going down field more should make the offense more excited right? We needed something to lift spirits and hopefully this works.but lets not look for instant success....lets wait give him some time........

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Couldn't agree more! Campbell needs to be a leader on the field more than he needs to hit bombs, but just the threat of going down field more should make the offense more excited right? We needed something to lift spirits and hopefully this works.
Agreed. I want to hear quotes about the great command he has of the huddle and how cool he is under pressure. This will make the veterans want to follow him. That's consistently what you've heard out of NYG and Pitt.

[shally]

but lets not look for instant success....lets wait give him some time........

read the comments by canforta in today's post.. you could not ask for a more levelheaded and mature person.. he is going to do us all proud-- no matter what kind of success he has on the field..

i am excited just for him to be given a chance to shine for us..

[meloveskinslongtime]

Agreed (especially Proleau who I don't think fans appreciate).

BUT. The guys who are here are playing below their abilities. I don't believe AA forgot how to play football. I don't believe Rogers, Taylor, and Springs forgot how to cover. I don't believe that MW, Marshall, Griff, Taylor, and the entire defense forgot how to tackle. They are playing without heart, enthusiasm, and proper coaching. It is a correctable situation IMO and I trust GW to make the necessary adjustments.


thats what i'm thinking, but i would also like to see mccintosh get in there. maybe he can help add some enthusiasm and emotion to the game ....

[redwolf1218]

the thing that bothers me is, it seems like Carlos has regressed instead of improved.

[suppitty]

Successful corner can come in to the league and play well immediately 90% of the time. He has not played very well in two years, so there is reason to believe he will be a dissapointment. There isn't that much of a transition from college corner to nfl corner. All you have to do is cover better receivers.

[redwolf1218]

Successful corner can come in to the league and play well immediately 90% of the time. He has not played very well in two years, so there is reason to believe he will be a dissapointment. There isn't that much of a transition from college corner to nfl corner. All you have to do is cover better receivers.
i think there is a progression though. at first, they get beat, then they get there just a step late but make the tackle. then they get there in time to break it up. then they get some int's. at the elite level, they can play off and bait the QB to throw to their side just to get a pick. Carlos is still getting beat and missing tackles, or playing off and giving up first-down catches.

i guess Rolle and Pacman arent doing much better, so under the circumstances i think it was the right choice, maybe just the wrong year to draft a corner out of need. in hind site, there might have been better athletes available at that spot.

i dont know how Fabian Washington is doing, but he's the guy i wanted just for his pure speed, and he would have been available later. i'm not so sure a physical corner is what you need nowadays, because they cant touch the receivers anyway outside of 5 yards. if you're phyical, you should be jamming them at the line, which Carlos is not. you can coach a lot of things but you cant coach speed.

[Meatsnack]

I saw springs playing up on his guys some times but I never saw carlos do it....

But why does it take someone again who is not the coach to make this obersavation...that's my problem.
C'mon, JTF. You know that coaches don't volunteer squat to the media. Don't assume that GW talks about everything, or even much of anything, he sees in practice and on film. He has too good a track record to miss things that obvious. If Carlos is playing off his man its becaise he is being coached to do so in those situations or he is blowing assignments with regularity. I doubt we'll ever know which unless someone slips up and lets something out or someone gets benched.

[golongdude]

Well, I know this - if GW doesn't get his head out of his ass and put it all on the coaching of the defense, then the record and game scores will tell out the truth. And given the statistical embarrassment his defense is this year, I think that speaks volumes.

Whether he is too busy considering his own brilliance and his vaunted 'system' or dreaming of being a head coach again - somewhere - he needs to buckle down and deal with things. Because the drop off from where they were to where they are now can't just be explained by the guys on the field. No way, no how.

GW, above all defensive personnel, is to blame for this cruddy defense this year.

[bgforever]

Unfortunately third time's a charm. Collapse in Tenn, another in Buffalo and now strange responses so far. Hopefully GW isn't on a sort of "as usual" trip with his responding for adjustments in games. His players execution and ghost tackles don't help either.

[hogs86]

I think by playing so far off that is part of the turnover issue.Rogers does give up way to much room.But the reason he was playing off a little more is because the field was wet.He did not want to get beat deep.:)

[Keino]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that. That seems mighty funny. Cause why does it take someone that's not in the loop in Ashburn for GW to acknowledge that his technique is wrong on those type of plays.

I have a huge issue with that. Aren't you supposed to pay attention while your on the field to the down and distance....He's playing prevent when he should be playing man. This tells me that Carlos is scared to play man thinking he might get burnt. I would rather more aggression then being passive. It seems to me that GW should be repremanding him if he's doing that outside of his assignment. Then when he comes up to either assist or make a tackle, he's switching like he actualy did something. Then he'll be the one gving an interview on 980 like he's worthy of that. I have an issue with that. I sure hope he understands that he's playing in the pros and not in high school. It's like he's scared to make a play as opposed to let me not give up a big one. So let me stand on the 10 with offense on the 50 so I won't give up a big one....well on 3rd and 4, playing 10 yards back and the reciever gets 8, you just have up a big one.

Thoughts

I have a few thoughts.

1. Both CB's were giving huge cushions. That tells me that was a matter of coaching and not on the players. I can't understand why anyone would coach a player that way, but I don't fault Rogers, I fault Gray/Williams.

2. Rogers is in his 2nd year. Many 2nd year CB's struggle. He will improve and show the promise he showed last year.

[gibbs!we!trust!]

How come our defense do not re-route the other team receivers?

I saw the cowgirls do it against Santana Moss, we should do the same.:lol1:

[Syllable]

I was listening to the Comcast Post game show and I heard GW say after someone asked him a question about why does Rogers play so far back off the recievers if it's 3rd and 4. GW then said Yes I gotta talk to him about that. That seems mighty funny. Cause why does it take someone that's not in the loop in Ashburn for GW to acknowledge that his technique is wrong on those type of plays.

I have a huge issue with that. Aren't you supposed to pay attention while your on the field to the down and distance....He's playing prevent when he should be playing man. This tells me that Carlos is scared to play man thinking he might get burnt. I would rather more aggression then being passive. It seems to me that GW should be repremanding him if he's doing that outside of his assignment. Then when he comes up to either assist or make a tackle, he's switching like he actualy did something. Then he'll be the one gving an interview on 980 like he's worthy of that. I have an issue with that. I sure hope he understands that he's playing in the pros and not in high school. It's like he's scared to make a play as opposed to let me not give up a big one. So let me stand on the 10 with offense on the 50 so I won't give up a big one....well on 3rd and 4, playing 10 yards back and the reciever gets 8, you just have up a big one.

Thoughts


Sorry, not Carlos' fault, its Williams'. He is not calling the playes to our strengths, and acts like we are last year's team. We are obviously not generating pass, so Rogers has to jump back and protect deep, and we cannot roll a linebacker since we need the extra person on the line.

[gibbs!we!trust!]

We have alot of needs for this team and very little draft picks and cap room.

We need to D-R-A-F-T (not buy) speedy DE, a guard to replace dockery and a corner or corners.

[redwolf1218]

playing off is not working. might as well jam them at the line and blitz.

[joethefan]

read the comments by canforta in today's post.. you could not ask for a more levelheaded and mature person.. he is going to do us all proud-- no matter what kind of success he has on the field..

i am excited just for him to be given a chance to shine for us..You are absulutely right....i liked the fact that he said that "GOD would not put you in a situation where he didn't want you to be successful"... It seems he knows that is where he should be and when you know for a fact that's the place where you should be...it's an incredible feeling. I can't wait to see him play as well as I can't wait to see his maturity grown on the field.

[akhhorus]

Becky and I dub Rogers: Carlos "edward" Scissorhands.

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/02_03/edward-scissorhands.jpg

[esmith1790]

Becky and I dub Rogers: Carlos "edward" Scissorhands.

http://toychest.diamondcomics.com/toys/02_03/edward-scissorhands.jpg


but i think Edward has a better chance of catching an INT, although the football would be stuck and deflated....

[LASKINFAN]

:banghead: personally im going with carlos (hands of stone ) rogers:banghead:

[bgforever]

I believe the attempt at bending (keeping receivers in front of our secondary) has backfired and that is coaching. I PARTLY blame GW, I mainly put the responsibility in Gray's lap.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Out of the 3 cornerbacks picked in the 1st round in the draft last year, I think that Carlos is statistically the worst so far. He really needs to step up and play like the #9 pick.

[redskin_rich]

Out of the 3 cornerbacks picked in the 1st round in the draft last year, I think that Carlos is statistically the worst so far. He really needs to step up and play like the #9 pick.
As most of you know, I hate stats but this post is totally incorrect. See for yourselves:

Carlos Rogers (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/419829)

Antrel Rolle (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/419850)

Pacman (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552555)

[Skins57]

Here is my take on it. Maybe GW said "gotta talk to him about that" in a smart arse way because he is wanting them t play off and tired of talking about it... not sure, didn't hear him so I have no idea what for tone or context he used

[hail2skins]

Successful corner can come in to the league and play well immediately 90% of the time. He has not played very well in two years, so there is reason to believe he will be a dissapointment. There isn't that much of a transition from college corner to nfl corner. All you have to do is cover better receivers.I don't agree with this at all. The defenses are much more complex that in the college ranks and so are the rules of the game. It also depends on what type of defense your team is playing. GW depends on his corners so you'd better be a good cover guy because he leaves them out there alone alot.

[hail2skins]

How come our defense do not re-route the other team receivers?

I saw the cowgirls do it against Santana Moss, we should do the same.:lol1:Have you been watching? We have rerouted them to the inside where a safety is SUPPOSED to be.

[hail2skins]

Out of the 3 cornerbacks picked in the 1st round in the draft last year, I think that Carlos is statistically the worst so far. He really needs to step up and play like the #9 pick.you can't be serious.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Statistically he clearly had a better year last year with more big plays 2 FF and 2 INT's, so I think most people feel he is not living up to #1 pick because those plays are lacking and he has regressed this year.

But I do think he can turn it around. Also, if GW wants to play more press coverage, I think Carlos can handle it. Our biggest problems seem to be short passes when we play soft man and blown assignments in cover 2.

I know its only one instance, but he had great coverage on Stallworth on a 45 yard throw from McNabb on third down from around midfield into the endzone.

I honestly think he can do it, but 2 things have to change:
1. We need to play more man coverage.
2. In man (particularly on third down when we blitz) play press coverage.

We really need to start attacking in every facet of the defense - that's what made us great.

[superskin]

You just have to love Carlo's confidence. I mean, if watching him dance around on the field during timeouts doesnt prove how confident he is, just listen to his thoughts on Galloway's uncontested TD on Sunday (from the Washington Post):

"Going against the fastest guy in the league and running [cover-0] and you don't get there [with the blitz], there's nothing you can do about it," Rogers said. "The only thing I can do is line up and play the call that's being made and try to execute to the best of my ability. He's a fast guy, and there ain't too much I can do."

Hmmm..."there ain't much I can do." Wow. Now that's the guy I want covering some of the NFL's elite receivers.

[HAWGZHEAD]

You just have to love Carlo's confidence. I mean, if watching him dance around on the field during timeouts doesnt prove how confident he is, just listen to his thoughts on Galloway's uncontested TD on Sunday (from the Washington Post):



Wow. Now that's the guy I want covering some of the NFL's elite receivers.:doh: that is pathetic. Nice attitude Carlos.

[JsMaViSd]

get rid of him and start Kenny Wright at #2

or next year, move Vincent to #2, since we will have PP back

[joethefan]

Don't like that ..say hey he made a play or something..don't give excuses.I'd rather give the other player props as opposed to excuses....

[shally]

get rid of him and start Kenny Wright at #2

or next year, move Vincent to #2, since we will have PP back

no.. simply , NO..

rogers has an upside. wright has none

[becky]

no.. simply , NO..

rogers has an upside. wright has none


I'd go so far as to say Wright has a significant downside and unfortunately we've had to witness it on occasion this year.

That quote by Carlos is really telling of our attitude on defense this year.

[shally]

I'd go so far as to say Wright has a significant downside and unfortunately we've had to witness it on occasion this year.

That quote by Carlos is really telling of our attitude on defense this year.


well.. wright was option #2 when fletcher did not sign... too bad we jumped so soon...
i retrospect we would have been better resigning harris for 1 more year

[skinsfan36]

2007 corners
1-clements
2-springs
3-rogers
4-rumph
5-jimoh
6-eubanks

[chicago_skinz_fan]

get rid of him and start Kenny Wright at #2

or next year, move Vincent to #2, since we will have PP back

You have got to be kidding me... Yeah let's start Kenny Wright at number 2... Comon dude. Vincent is old, part of the reason he is playing saftey. We have no idea what PP's status will be next season, sure he should be back, but how good will he be after a whole year off? Carlos Rogers is not that bad, he is a decent number 2 option. Sure he has hands of stone, but he is a good tackler, I still think he is going to be a good corner in this league.

I think he is going to rebound.

[BostonSkins]

Galloway? Fastest guy in the league? Is that even true?

Those comments make me think this guy is on the fast track to nowhere, another great draft pick. At least he's getting on the field, although apparently if we blitz he is not responsible for covering anybody.

[joethefan]

Galloway? Fastest guy in the league? Is that even true?

Those comments make me think this guy is on the fast track to nowhere, another great draft pick. At least he's getting on the field, although apparently if we blitz he is not responsible for covering anybody.

i remember one blitz, it seemed like he wasn't running fast....and could have gotten there if he ran hard....IMO...Sunday

[BostonSkins]

i remember one blitz, it seemed like he wasn't running fast....and could have gotten there if he ran hard....IMO...Sunday

It looked the same way on the TD in question. Like he had no interest in trying to cover him. Especially considering that usually on a blitz like that the receiver is going to inside to give his QB a chance to hit a quick slant option against a full out blitz. Inexcusable!!!

[redwolf1218]

i remember one blitz, it seemed like he wasn't running fast....and could have gotten there if he ran hard....IMO...Sunday
maybe he needs to learn ... in the NFL they have to run wide open as soon as the ball is snapped, every time.

[esmith1790]

it is just a fact that some picks are great, average and below average and busts. Not all picks are gona pan out all the time. But hey he is young and should provide some depth at least but without picks and addressing the depth with homegrown young guys its hard to build chemstry.

[redwolf1218]

it is just a fact that some picks are great, average and below average and busts. Not all picks are gona pan out all the time. But hey he is young and should provide some depth at least but without picks and addressing the depth with homegrown young guys its hard to build chemstry.
good point, with another good corner, Rogers would be a great nickle back. i wish we still had Champ, but he was determined to leave.

[esmith1790]

good point, with another good corner, Rogers would be a great nickle back. i wish we still had Champ, but he was determined to leave.


thanks for the kind words

[redwolf1218]

thanks for the kind words
the same goes for Terrence Newman.

[esmith1790]

the same goes for Terrence Newman.


He has been very good for us this year and might make the pro-bowl, he has a streak of not giving up a TD for a little while now, which isnt really hard to do with RW and the revolving door at the other S spot.

[redwolf1218]

He has been very good for us this year and might make the pro-bowl, he has a streak of not giving up a TD for a little while now, which isnt really hard to do with RW and the revolving door at the other S spot.
so you are saying that Williams helps Newman in coverage?

[whitskins]

:doh: that is pathetic. Nice attitude Carlos.

The comments are stupid, but in all honesty he has something of a point.

Everyone wants to trash the guy for giving up the TD to Galloway, but what about the other EIGHT jokers who were called on that blitz, none of whom got close enough to even breathe on Gradkowski. The true blame for that play falls on them.

Carlos is obviously completely lacking in confidence right now, and I think that is his main problem. He shouldn't be airing defeatist quotes like this to the press, but I hold the eight wannabe blitzers much more accountable for that TD than Rogers. Galloway is still one of the best WRs in the league and very few CBs can handle him one on one, especially if they are the first and only line of defense against him.

[redwolf1218]

The comments are stupid, but in all honesty he has something of a point.

Everyone wants to trash the guy for giving up the TD to Galloway, but what about the other EIGHT jokers who were called on that blitz, none of whom got close enough to even breathe on Gradkowski. The true blame for that play falls on them.

Carlos is obviously completely lacking in confidence right now, and I think that is his main problem. He shouldn't be airing defeatist quotes like this to the press, but I hold the eight wannabe blitzers much more accountable for that TD than Rogers. Galloway is still one of the best WRs in the league and very few CBs can handle him one on one, especially if they are the first and only line of defense against him.
good point. the idea was to get to the QB, which didnt happen. Rogers cannot keep up with Galloway man-to-man. he is not an elite corner.

[esmith1790]

so you are saying that Williams helps Newman in coverage?


no not all , what i am trying to say is why throw at newman when you can get easier pass and TDs against other DBs

[shally]

good point. the idea was to get to the QB, which didnt happen. Rogers cannot keep up with Galloway man-to-man. he is not an elite corner.

few people can keep up with galloway.. especially if they take a poor angle of pursuit and nobody gets a chuck on him at the line

when he was even, he was leavin rogers... the only chance was to get to gradkowski and they were not even close with 8 men.. that was the pathetic part.

but on rogers, he needed to grab at that point. 5 yards would have been far better than a td..

[superskin]

good point. the idea was to get to the QB, which didnt happen. Rogers cannot keep up with Galloway man-to-man. he is not an elite corner.

I agree with you there. I am not blaming Carlos as much for getting toasted as I am for making comments that deflect responsibility. And furthermore, no one is going to be an elite corner in this league if they walk around saying there "aint much they can do" about a wide receiver. That's what gets to me.

That being said, why worry about covering when you can dance like this!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PUR8Q7iNM&NR


:lol1:

[CNYSkinFan]

You just have to love Carlo's confidence. I mean, if watching him dance around on the field during timeouts doesnt prove how confident he is, just listen to his thoughts on Galloway's uncontested TD on Sunday (from the Washington Post):



Hmmm..."there ain't much I can do." Wow. Now that's the guy I want covering some of the NFL's elite receivers.

What I don't understand is why in hell is he covering Galloway at all. Springs is the #1 corner and Galloway the #1 receiver. It was man coverage so line up our best on their best....that simple.

[CNYSkinFan]

I agree with you there. I am not blaming Carlos as much for getting toasted as I am for making comments that deflect responsibility. And furthermore, no one is going to be an elite corner in this league if they walk around saying there "aint much they can do" about a wide receiver. That's what gets to me.

That being said, why worry about covering when you can dance like this!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PUR8Q7iNM&NR


:lol1:

believe it or not I think that video is very telling. While the other teammates are gathered in a huddle on a timeout talking , I hope, about how they are going to stop the other team. Rogers is 5 yards away dancing like a fool and Taylor is 10 yards away. Springs or Washington should have gone over to them and said "get in the huddle foools"

[joethefan]

I agree with you there. I am not blaming Carlos as much for getting toasted as I am for making comments that deflect responsibility. And furthermore, no one is going to be an elite corner in this league if they walk around saying there "aint much they can do" about a wide receiver. That's what gets to me.

That being said, why worry about covering when you can dance like this!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8PUR8Q7iNM&NR


:lol1:

sup i bet you can take em...LOL

[shally]

believe it or not I think that video is very telling. While the other teammates are gathered in a huddle on a timeout talking , I hope, about how they are going to stop the other team. Rogers is 5 yards away dancing like a fool and Taylor is 10 yards away. Springs or Washington should have gone over to them and said "get in the huddle foools"

i didn't see that.. but there is still a lot of immaturity if that is so.. where are the defensive leaders? daniels and griffin went to look at film after the game when they returned from tampa.. better that they had said something DURING the game.. we need leadership that is not happening

[joethefan]

believe it or not I think that video is very telling. While the other teammates are gathered in a huddle on a timeout talking , I hope, about how they are going to stop the other team. Rogers is 5 yards away dancing like a fool and Taylor is 10 yards away. Springs or Washington should have gone over to them and said "get in the huddle foools"

remember that could have been during a TV time out....

[joeharde]

no, he will still get burnt.:)

[shally]

no, he will still get burnt.:)

maybe.. he needs a solid off season under a different db coach

[WarEagle]

maybe.. he needs a solid off season under a different db coach

The dancing video was funny. We all loved Carlos down here for a long time, and I'm sorry that he's had such a bad season. We're going to see him on another team some day, where he has adult supervision, and he's going to thrive.

[redskin_rich]

believe it or not I think that video is very telling. While the other teammates are gathered in a huddle on a timeout talking , I hope, about how they are going to stop the other team. Rogers is 5 yards away dancing like a fool and Taylor is 10 yards away. Springs or Washington should have gone over to them and said "get in the huddle foools"
The defense doesn't huddle up, especially during the TV timeouts where everyone is left standing around and whatever fan participation (noise) is completely blown. The offense, on the field, only consists of the O-Line. Similarly, on defense, only the regular starters in most formations remain on the field. Finally after two eternal minutes, the offense shuttles their personnel on the field and the defense immediately follows suit, with their counter package.

BTW, Taylor usually is the farthest from anybody and kneeling down, during the breaks in action.

[LATrueRedskin]

maybe.. he needs a solid off season under a different db coach

I don't know, shally, Jerry Gray was quite the DB back in his day. I don't really know who could coach these guys better. Darrell Green maybe?

[shally]

The defense doesn't huddle up, especially during the TV timeouts where everyone is left standing around and whatever fan participation (noise) is completely blown. The offense, on the field, only consists of the O-Line. Similarly, on defense, only the regular starters in most formations remain on the field. Finally after two eternal minutes, the offense shuttles their personnel on the field and the defense immediately follows suit, with their counter package.

BTW, Taylor usually is the farthest from anybody and kneeling down, during the breaks in action.

i do not get the impression he studies film as much as he should..

[Dept_of_Defense]

Alright, I think I'm going to turn it around and stop ragging so much on Carlos. Okay..........I'm going to say that next year he's going to have 6 picks w/ 2 toudowns, 102 tackles and a 2 forced fumbles. Hawaii. Oh yeah, and this is after we go 11-5 with our new and improved defense and our top 5 offense. Who's with me?

[shally]

Alright, I think I'm going to turn it around and stop ragging so much on Carlos. Okay..........I'm going to say that next year he's going to have 6 picks w/ 2 toudowns. Who's with me?

only if they get him laser eye surgery and velcro implants in his palms

he will be a different cb next year provided they get him away from gray.
but he will never be one to get more than a couple of ints because he truly has hands of stone

[Dept_of_Defense]

only if they get him laser eye surgery and velcro implants in his palms

he will be a different cb next year provided they get him away from gray.
but he will never be one to get more than a couple of ints because he truly has hands of stone
I think he still has a lot of pressure on him. He is still adjusting, but I really believe that he's going to have a breakout year. Just imagine if he would've actually caught all of those INT's. He would have 6. He knows that he's missed chances, but I think he's going to be much better next year. I just have this feeling that he's going to be feared one day......:thinker:

[shally]

I don't know, shally, Jerry Gray was quite the DB back in his day. I don't really know who could coach these guys better. Darrell Green maybe?

here's the deal.. jerry gray was a fine db in his day.. one of the better ones.. but that does not mean he is a fine coach
his stock has really fallen badly. he was apparently up for serious consideration as a head coaching candidate, but at the same time he got fired as a defensive coordinator.. that is really paradoxical. the last guy who had a trajectory like that was sherm lewis and he never did overcome the rep that he was difficult. he ended up pretty bitter from the things i read on him in the past.

i think that gray has some kind of issues.. not sure what they are. but i can tell you he has not coached any of the corners to be better players and the descent of rogers has been terrible to watch.. do we know how much of this is gray's coaching? not sure, but for certain, i think rogers could benefit from a different mentor

and if nothing else, it seems as though gray has issues with at least one of his fellow coaches.. all in all, i think we would be better off if gray and jackson choose to tak etheir act elsewhere next year

[shally]

I think he still has a lot of pressure on him. He is still adjusting, but I really believe that he's going to have a breakout year. Just imagine if he would've actually caught all of those INT's. He would have 6. He knows that he's missed chances, but I think he's going to be much better next year. I just have this feeling that he's going to be feared one day......:thinker:

i think he does great against the run... that tells me he still has heart because that is the toughest part of being a corner-- taking on those large blockers coming at you with malice. and he likes to hit ball carriers.

but i think the coaches have messed with his technique and messed with his head badly to the point that he no longer trusts his instincts at all (neither does taylor apparently).. he looks lost.. somebody has to work with him and get his technique solid again and help him regain his confidence.. but he will likely never have soft hands for the int.. even his first year you could hear the clanging...

and yes, he could have about 6 int's if he only held onto the easy ones..

[WarEagle]

I don't know, shally, Jerry Gray was quite the DB back in his day. I don't really know who could coach these guys better. Darrell Green maybe?

I loved DG back in the day. We all did. He was the best.

[redskin_rich]

here's the deal.. jerry gray was a fine db in his day.. one of the better ones.. but that does not mean he is a fine coach
his stock has really fallen badly. he was apparently up for serious consideration as a head coaching candidate, but at the same time he got fired as a defensive coordinator.. that is really paradoxical. the last guy who had a trajectory like that was sherm lewis and he never did overcome the rep that he was difficult. he ended up pretty bitter from the things i read on him in the past.

i think that gray has some kind of issues.. not sure what they are. but i can tell you he has not coached any of the corners to be better players and the descent of rogers has been terrible to watch.. do we know how much of this is gray's coaching? not sure, but for certain, i think rogers could benefit from a different mentor

and if nothing else, it seems as though gray has issues with at least one of his fellow coaches.. all in all, i think we would be better off if gray and jackson choose to tak etheir act elsewhere next year
I don't think an assessment of Gray can be made using the fact that he was fired or not retained, whatever the case was, from his last job. There was a change made, in Buffalo, at head coach and Dick Jauron may have had differing philosphies than Gray. It is certain that Jauron is a defensive guru and would likely focus on that unit.
Regardless, this falls on GW. It is his staff and any failures within it fall to him.

[CowboyKilla]

Carlos will be fine.

[dabro]

i think he does great against the run... that tells me he still has heart because that is the toughest part of being a corner-- taking on those large blockers coming at you with malice. and he likes to hit ball carriers.

but i think the coaches have messed with his technique and messed with his head badly to the point that he no longer trusts his instincts at all (neither does taylor apparently).. he looks lost.. somebody has to work with him and get his technique solid again and help him regain his confidence.. but he will likely never have soft hands for the int.. even his first year you could hear the clanging...

and yes, he could have about 6 int's if he only held onto the easy ones..Yes, it's mighty curious that everyone seemed to have confidence that Carlos and ST were both progressing nicely last year, and suddenly this year they both look lost. And why do they both keep making the same mistakes over and over? That sounds like a coaching problem to me.

[Farmer Ted]

Well, Carlos is having a killer game today. Keep it up!

[ryflan47]

Today... he GOT IT

[C-7]

No interception but a great game by Rodgers today!

[shally]

No interception but a great game by Rodgers today!

yup.. could have picked one, but he still had a fine game.. he never looked shakey at all

[Patrick]

For today - he had a very good game and I give up to him. NOW, let's see if he can finally start living up to his billing.

[Biggie]

I think this might've been the best game of Roger's career.

[shally]

For today - he had a very good game and I give up to him. NOW, let's see if he can finally start living up to his billing.

agreed.. they need to keep up the momentum.. the entire defense

[CamLwalk]

I saw this thread before the game and did not want to read it. Yeah, Carlos hasn't played well, but day-ummnnn.....stepped UP today. Best game of the season by far.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

By far his best game of the season. I don't know what the coaching staff put in his food this morning, but it obviously lit a fire underneath him. I hope he and Sean Taylor can continue to play like they did today. Thats the Carlos I like to see on the field.

[chrisbcbu]

C-Los showed why he was a top 10 pick today. Lets hope he can continue. He has great potential.

[WarEagle]

I think this might've been the best game of Roger's career.

That's what they were saying on the Redskins radio broadcast today. I think Sonny said it. They were blown away by the secondary today, in general.

[shally]

That's what they were saying on the Redskins radio broadcast today. I think Sonny said it. They were blown away by the secondary today, in general.

they played very well.. but only rushing 4 most of the time and getting pressure with them sure helped it..

[Smiley]

Now that's the Carlos we know and love!

[Brokenstriker]

Suddenly I remember why he was a first round pick. Carlos ... whatever it was ... prayer, wheaties, fear of a 9 to 5 job ... keep this state of mind ... VERY nice game Mr Rogers!

DAY-UM!

[smoak]

Agreed. I want to hear quotes about the great command he has of the huddle and how cool he is under pressure. This will make the veterans want to follow him. That's consistently what you've heard out of NYG and Pitt.

So far, so good.

But I want to see the team win a few games in a row.

[joethefan]

For today - he had a very good game and I give up to him. NOW, let's see if he can finally start living up to his billing.

I totally agree.....Great game and I'm glad I at least saw that he can do it

[smoak]

they played very well.. but only rushing 4 most of the time and getting pressure with them sure helped it..

From the stands I didn't feel we got very good consistent pressure at all??

Either way I'll take the win over what was a playoff team who definitely needed a win. Not sure now...

[bergiemoore]

From the stands I didn't feel we got very good consistent pressure at all??

Either way I'll take the win over what was a playoff team who definitely needed a win. Not sure now...

From the TV screen, they looked like they were able to get to Delhomme in key situations by only rushing 4. Golston played like a beast, and Carter was almost always in the area. They were getting hands in his face, and forcing throws off his back foot.

[GWBlitzST]

I put some of Carlos's regression this year on other factors. Yes, Carlos has dropped more than a few passes that he should have intercepted, but his overall coverage of bigger receivers is pretty good. I attribute the new safeties and Jerry Gray, not to mention the injury to Shawn Springs, as heavy influences on his performance. The loss of Prielauo was also huge. I think now that he won't have a confused Sean Taylor and an overmatched Archuleta, he will be much more effective. Meeting with the safeties will help a lot, and if Gregg Williams can keep his head out of his rear then hopefully we'll see him matched up against the #2 like he was on Sunday instead of playing one side of the field the whole game and being predictable and 12 yards off the line of scrimmage. His hands are the only problem that I can't see being easily fixed. But maybe he just needs to catch one.

[HogFan]

This is an old thread, but here is what I see. Without a pass rush you can have a secondary full of hall of famers and they're going to get beat. Agianst the Panthers we got a pass rush and you saw what happened. Games are won and lost up front. Rogers is still learning and young, he'll get better. He may never be great, but I think he'll be just fine assuming there is a pass rush.

[Apache]

In the past they worked because guys actually made plays with the cushions. Kinda like a disguise. Sit back and then hustle in when the ball is thrown to make a play. I haven't seen much of that at all this year. The guys give the cushions but, never seem to rush up for a play like it's supposed to work.

I agree, but GW's defense has allowed these cushions for the last 3 years. I don't like it either but it is not just Rogers. Wright this year and Harris last year was allowed to do it as well.

When a problem persists throughout multiple players then it is coaching. eithart the coaches are fine with the cushions or they have not bothered to correct that with their players. Either way you got to blame the coaches here.

[redwolf1218]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=22738

"He's a great leader for being such a young player," said Redskins newcomer Mike Rumph. "Carlos has a terrific work ethic. He's always putting extra time into practice and extra work into drills.

"You don't see that in many young players. He's one of the guys who will let me know what to expect as a new player here."

[santanadasavior]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=22738

"He's a great leader for being such a young player," said Redskins newcomer Mike Rumph. "Carlos has a terrific work ethic. He's always putting extra time into practice and extra work into drills.

"You don't see that in many young players. He's one of the guys who will let me know what to expect as a new player here."

I can tell he is trying and he has been frustrated with his poor play. I have always thought that he was just one little thing like turning his head earlier, putting his hands up earlier, or stepping up on the WRs away from getting it. I can see and I'm sure everyone else can that he is getting it based on how he played against two great recievers.

[redwolf1218]

I can tell he is trying and he has been frustrated with his poor play. I have always thought that he was just one little thing like turning his head earlier, putting his hands up earlier, or stepping up on the WRs away from getting it. I can see and I'm sure everyone else can that he is getting it based on how he played against two great recievers.
good point. if he could catch, he'd have quite a few interceptions and teams would shy away from him more. if he can start getting some costly int's, he'll be among the elite.

[santanadasavior]

good point. if he could catch, he'd have quite a few interceptions and teams would shy away from him more. if he can start getting some costly int's, he'll be among the elite.

I think that is the last thing he needs to worry about. His job is to prevent the guy he is guarding from catching the ball. INTs are a bonus. If he becomes a shutdown corner and never gets another pick in his career I will be fine with that. Obviously a pick here and there would help, but if he does the mechanics and becomes a good corner, the mechanics will come.

[akhhorus]

Carlos will never become a CB who can cover a speed X like Steve Smith, however, he might become a great CB on Y flankers who rely on being physical. He needs to work on his technique for sure, but you aren't the Thorpe award winner in a year with a ton of good college Dbs for nothing. He has talent and physical ability and he just has to gain confidence and work on his shortcomings.

[redwolf1218]

I think that is the last thing he needs to worry about. His job is to prevent the guy he is guarding from catching the ball. INTs are a bonus. If he becomes a shutdown corner and never gets another pick in his career I will be fine with that. Obviously a pick here and there would help, but if he does the mechanics and becomes a good corner, the mechanics will come.
i agree with the notion that the best corner is the one whose name you never hear, because teams will not go at him, but they have to make the other team pay to get there. he has had those opportunities and missed them. he wont be a shut-down corner to scare everyone until he gets some picks. int's can totally change the game. until he gets some, teams will have no problem throwing in his direction. it's either a catch, or incomplete.

[santanadasavior]

i agree with the notion that the best corner is the one whose name you never hear, because teams will not go at him, but they have to make the other team pay to get there. he has had those opportunities and missed them. he wont be a shut-down corner to scare everyone until he gets some picks. int's can totally change the game. until he gets some, teams will have no problem throwing in his direction. it's either a catch, or incomplete.

True, but I still think that if he keeps playing like he played against the Panthers, the picks will come.

[redwolf1218]

True, but I still think that if he keeps playing like he played against the Panthers, the picks will come.
the picks have already come, and he has dropped them. he just needs to catch them. he played his best game ever yet against the Panthers, IMO.

[santanadasavior]

the picks have already come, and he has dropped them. he just needs to catch them. he played his best game ever yet against the Panthers, IMO.

He had some fairly impressive picks last season against the Rams and Chargers I believe. He has dropped picks yes but if he plays that well a majority of the time the picks that don't look like picks normally will come by virtue of his solid play.

[redwolf1218]

He had some fairly impressive picks last season against the Rams and Chargers I believe. He has dropped picks yes but if he plays that well a majority of the time the picks that don't look like picks normally will come by virtue of his solid play.
but if he gets some more picks, they will try to shy away from him. if he keeps dropping them, they have no reason to fear him. when he makes them pay, he will get into that elite status.

[santanadasavior]

but if he gets some more picks, they will try to shy away from him. if he keeps dropping them, they have no reason to fear him. when he makes them pay, he will get into that elite status.

I agree. But I'd rather have them attacking him if he is sound technically. That way he will get more picks. The way he played, I want teams attacking him.

[redwolf1218]

I agree. But I'd rather have them attacking him if he is sound technically. That way he will get more picks. The way he played, I want teams attacking him.
they are attacking him, and he needs to get some picks. a pick. any pick, just to back them off.

[smoot]

you think he'd still be able to run if we put a basket in between his feet to catch all his drops?

[redwolf1218]

you think he'd still be able to run if we put a basket in between his feet to catch all his drops?
maybe if he can ever catch the ball he should just give it to Taylor. we know he can run with it.

[shally]

maybe if he can ever catch the ball he should just give it to Taylor. we know he can run with it.

or try to tip the ball to someone else...

[santanadasavior]

maybe if he can ever catch the ball he should just give it to Taylor. we know he can run with it.

I like how the Ravens do that. It is dangerous but they seem to have a bunch of laterals on every turnover they force. I think it is the coolest. Also I think there is nothing more exciting in football than a defensive TD, hopefully C-Rodge can bring some of those home.

[redwolf1218]

I like how the Ravens do that. It is dangerous but they seem to have a bunch of laterals on every turnover they force. I think it is the coolest. Also I think there is nothing more exciting in football than a defensive TD, hopefully C-Rodge can bring some of those home.
as long as it's not Taylor. he should not lateral to anyone. no one can run with it like him. i think he could start as a running back and be among the best. like Gibbs said, when he gets the ball in his hands, good things happen.

[santanadasavior]

as long as it's not Taylor. he should not lateral to anyone. no one can run with it like him. i think he could start as a running back and be among the best. like Gibbs said, when he gets the ball in his hands, good things happen.

His only fault in that respect is he is always trying to make the big play. Most of the time that is good, but sometimes it is bad. A one that we will all remember is when he picked up the ball after our blocked punt. I love the effort but sometimes it does hurt us.

[shally]

His only fault in that respect is he is always trying to make the big play. Most of the time that is good, but sometimes it is bad. A one that we will all remember is when he picked up the ball after our blocked punt. I love the effort but sometimes it does hurt us.

i think that was a reaction and he did not realize that if he turned it over, the ball was still dead.. if not for that rule, we would have potentially lost the ball

[redwolf1218]

His only fault in that respect is he is always trying to make the big play. Most of the time that is good, but sometimes it is bad. A one that we will all remember is when he picked up the ball after our blocked punt. I love the effort but sometimes it does hurt us.
yes as much i love seeing him with the ball, i'm always scared to death he will try to do someting stupid with it. as long as he just holds on and runs with it, he's the best.

[santanadasavior]

i think that was a reaction and he did not realize that if he turned it over, the ball was still dead.. if not for that rule, we would have potentially lost the ball

I think he was just trying to make a play where there was almost no chance to make one. I actually think Rock came out with the ball at the end.

[redskinz#1fan]

I think he was just trying to make a play where there was almost no chance to make one. I actually think Rock came out with the ball at the end.


Yes, your 100% correct.......Rock did recover the ball anyway!

[jtovb2005]

Yes, your 100% correct.......Rock did recover the ball anyway!

The play was blown dead on a Illegal touch by some Panthers guy.

[santanadasavior]

The play was blown dead on a Illegal touch by some Panthers guy.

Yeah, but I'm sure that Sean didn't think that he could pick it up because there was going to be a penalty anyway. The thought process of what he wants to do sometimes worries me. Sometimes his desire to make the big play overrides his brain. It usually doesn't worry me but on plays like that it does.

[bgforever]

I like how the Ravens do that. It is dangerous but they seem to have a bunch of laterals on every turnover they force. I think it is the coolest. Also I think there is nothing more exciting in football than a defensive TD, hopefully C-Rodge can bring some of those home.

good point! Aside from tip drills, its a good thing to practice because each game will get tougher as the weeks go by, and each and every little team move counts. However the player must have presence of mind, not like, "huh" what are you doing handing it to me???". Some players, I wouldn't do that with, like a rookie, or Wright, Rumph. It has to be someone that has good hands, like Springs, Jimoh, MW, Rocky, Marshall,Fox, Carter, Grif, Daniels, Wynn.

[santanadasavior]

good point! Aside from tip drills, its a good thing to practice because each game will get tougher as the weeks go by, and each and every little team move counts. However the player must have presence of mind, not like, "huh" what are you doing handing it to me???". Some players, I wouldn't do that with, like a rookie, or Wright, Rumph. It has to be someone that has good hands, like Springs, Jimoh, MW, Rocky, Marshall,Fox, Carter, Grif, Daniels, Wynn.

I personally woundn't want any of our lineman lateralling the ball unless they were too slow to make it to the endzone. I would want our secondary doing the laterals because they are the quick ones who can make people miss.

[bgforever]

I personally woundn't want any of our lineman lateralling the ball unless they were too slow to make it to the endzone. I would want our secondary doing the laterals because they are the quick ones who can make people miss.


True and yes, I would cringe at that, but lets say for samples sake, we have a fumble recovery by ST, but the TE grabs his leg and won't let go, but the closses player is obviously the only hope of getting that score, from say 15 yrds away, the next three closses players are opponents coming fast, your guy is Carter (handles very well, as well as Grif and Daniels), do you A. hand off and tell him run like the wind (LOL) or B. fall down and give it to the offense to struggle for a score, which could wipe 4 points off the board.

If its a LB or secondary, they get the ball period, but yeah I see the point of NOT handing it to the other DL's as much as possible with maybe Wynn being a fielder's choice (though he too has been involved in such games of handoffs).

[jtovb2005]

Yeah, but I'm sure that Sean didn't think that he could pick it up because there was going to be a penalty anyway. The thought process of what he wants to do sometimes worries me. Sometimes his desire to make the big play overrides his brain. It usually doesn't worry me but on plays like that it does.

I agree. I didn't know it was him at the time but I remember thinking what the heck is he doing. I was at the game and did not see a replay (at FEDEX of course) but maybe he was making a good try based on who he saw with the ball in the pile? It looked a little messy.

Also what the heck are the rules in that case? If we block and let the ball roll around past the needed first down marker and Carolinia covers who's ball is it and why? Why is it a penalty when they touch it but it is not when a cover team touches it down? Maybe have to give a returner the chance to catch or fair catch? I am still bugged by that play :)

[santanadasavior]

True and yes, I would cringe at that, but lets say for samples sake, we have a fumble recovery by ST, but the TE grabs his leg and won't let go, but the closses player is obviously the only hope of getting that score, from say 15 yrds away, the next three closses players are opponents coming fast, your guy is Carter (handles very well, as well as Grif and Daniels), do you A. hand off and tell him run like the wind (LOL) or B. fall down and give it to the offense to struggle for a score, which could wipe 4 points off the board.

If its a LB or secondary, they get the ball period, but yeah I see the point of NOT handing it to the other DL's as much as possible with maybe Wynn being a fielder's choice (though he too has been involved in such games of handoffs).

In a situation like that I would give it off to the lineman. But I would not want anyone pitching the ball to anyone really but much less a lineman. It is just too dangerous and not worth it after just forcing a turnover.

[santanadasavior]

I agree. I didn't know it was him at the time but I remember thinking what the heck is he doing. I was at the game and did not see a replay (at FEDEX of course) but maybe he was making a good try based on who he saw with the ball in the pile? It looked a little messy.

Also what the heck are the rules in that case? If we block and let the ball roll around past the needed first down marker and Carolinia covers who's ball is it and why? Why is it a penalty when they touch it but it is not when a cover team touches it down? Maybe have to give a returner the chance to catch or fair catch? I am still bugged by that play :)

I'm not sure but I think that when the kicking team touches the ball the play is dead. Also once the ball goes past the line of scrimmage the kicking team cannot advance it. If a punt gets blocked and goes backwards then the punter can still do something with it if he can.

[jtovb2005]

I'm not sure but I think that when the kicking team touches the ball the play is dead. Also once the ball goes past the line of scrimmage the kicking team cannot advance it. If a punt gets blocked and goes backwards then the punter can still do something with it if he can.

Sounds good, lol. I wonder why the Panther guy touching it made it a penalty? Wonder why that is not the same as just downing the punt?

[santanadasavior]

Sounds good, lol. I wonder why the Panther guy touching it made it a penalty? Wonder why that is not the same as just downing the punt?

I don't think it was a penalty but it makes it a dead ball. There was no yardage taken off so I think it is the same as downing a punt, the play is dead. It is a confusing rule but that is my take on it.

[csquared]

Terrible just plain Terrible. Look at those guys drafted behind Rogers. Missed INT right in his hands. Burned by Brown on that 65 yarder. BUM

[santanadasavior]

Terrible just plain Terrible. Look at those guys drafted behind Rogers. Missed INT right in his hands. Burned by Brown on that 65 yarder. BUM

It appeared that on the 65 yarder Carlos was suppossed to have over the top help from either Fox or Vincent and whoever it was outrun by both of them and the over the top help was not there. Now he should have caught that one bigtime. It didn't really hurt us considering they went three and out but there are times when he is going to need to make a INT a lot harder than that. I just hope the INTs start coming now that his coverage and fundamentals are getting better.

[skinsfan36]

which comes first a pick by carlos rogers or lt not scoring a touchdown in a game?

[shally]

which comes first a pick by carlos rogers or lt not scoring a touchdown in a game?

rogers might have the worst hands in a corner i have ever seen..

[RedskinsDave]

I have the answer. Ladies and gentlemen, Carlos Rogers' pregame meal:

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Mike-Patrick/Hot-Buttered-Popcorn-Print-C12048524.jpeg

[shally]

I have the answer. Ladies and gentlemen, Carlos Rogers' pregame meal:

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Mike-Patrick/Hot-Buttered-Popcorn-Print-C12048524.jpeg

the sad thing is that on the play today, he made a great break on the ball. i was thinking how nice his recovery speed was. he came across and undercut the route and was in beautiful position for the int. he even got his head around. great technique.. and then CLANG !! another dropped ball

he could easily be leading the nfc if he caught just the reasonably easy ones.. i have never see any corner have as bad a year, hands wise..

[SkinsASchamps]

When CR dropped that ball today at the game I got 6 text messages that all said "Hands". I had to laugh out loud. :)

[shally]

When CR dropped that ball today at the game I got 6 text messages that all said "Hands". I had to laugh out loud. :)

they got to get his eyes checked out... something is wrong..

[SkinsASchamps]

they got to get his eyes checked out... something is wrong..

At least he bats them down... :rolleyes: He could bat them up and someone who learned how to catch could grab the ball and do something against us. Carlos didnt want us to have the bad field position too. Haha.

[Axegrinder]

He has the tools,he's just playing AWFUL!!!

I'd ask him for an autograph,but he'd drop the pen.

[greatest2]

since that droped one against the sehawks it really has gone downhill


it looks like he is working his wa back, (that deep ball to reggie was on varnon fox since he was supposed to be over the top, not on carlos)

comeon carlos, step it up baby

[shally]

since that droped one against the sehawks it really has gone downhill


it looks like he is working his wa back, (that deep ball to reggie was on varnon fox since he was supposed to be over the top, not on carlos)

comeon carlos, step it up baby

vernon did not exactly distinguish himself with his play today, i agree..
but rogers had an up and down day overall even without the drop

[GoSkins!36]

the title of this thread should be changed to: Is Carlos ever gonna catch it??

[Mizzin44]

When we get a pass rush, he'll get it.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I played corner in High School and I never played as far off a man as he does. It's ridiculous that he thinks he can be effective back there. He needs to jamm them at the line. Smoot leaving was a big mistake.