Tandler's Take: Gibbs' Legacy On the Line With QB Switch

[CNYSkinFan]

Gibbs' Legacy On the Line With QB Switch (http://redskins.scout.com/2/590485.html)

Very interesting read. My favorite line is at the end.


It’s either the beginning of the Jason Campbell Era or the revelation of the Jason Campbell Error.



Truer words were never spoken.

[shally]

Gibbs' Legacy On the Line With QB Switch (http://redskins.scout.com/2/590485.html)

Very interesting read. My favorite line is at the end.



Truer words were never spoken.

considering how decisive that gibbs was with the career of ramsey, at least we know that gibbs has his man for the job.. one way or the other, they are joined at the hip..

[redskin_rich]

Eh, Gibbs legacy has been on the line ever since he came back in January of '04. I don't think there will be any revelation this Sunday or even with the rest of the games this season, except for those that are quick to rush with judgement.

[joethefan]

considering how decisive that gibbs was with the career of ramsey, at least we know that gibbs has his man for the job.. one way or the other, they are joined at the hip..that's the thing that give me a little bit of hope...we just all need to be patient with him....I will continue to say that util other wise....in another or so years.....lets make sure the leash isnt too short on him remember our investment....I kinda though his legacy was on the line when he signed on the dotted line....

[shally]

that's the thing that give me a little bit of hope...we just all need to be patient with him....I will continue to say that util other wise....in another or so years.....lets make sure the leash isnt too short on him remember our investment....I kinda though his legacy was on the line when he signed on the dotted line....

unlike some politicians, i think gibbs cares little about legacy, and more about the job itself... the legacy is never at risk

[whistleandthumb]

I think for all Skins fans, Gibbs' legacy goes something like this:

3 Super Bowl wins in 4 appearances in 10 years.


Anything else he can add during Gibbs v.2 is just icing on the cake. But no matter what happens, there's still 3 trophies sitting in our lobby...

[smoak]

Eh, Gibbs legacy has been on the line ever since he came back in January of '04. I don't think there will be any revelation this Sunday or even with the rest of the games this season, except for those that are quick to rush with judgement.

Exactly. I'm sick of all the knee jerk small minded over reactions that all fans go through. Relax and lets enjoy Campbells start rather than making it into something it isn't.

[smoak]

that's the thing that give me a little bit of hope...we just all need to be patient with him....I will continue to say that util other wise....in another or so years.....lets make sure the leash isnt too short on him remember our investment....I kinda though his legacy was on the line when he signed on the dotted line....

We'll be as patient with Campbell as we are with any Redskins QB. Meaning he will be cheered until he throws an incompletion.

But don't worry, maybe Gibbs will "prostitute" Campbell out to another team in a trade. :rolleyes:

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I agree Gibbs legacy is on the line, but if he doesn't succeed it will be a splintered history written about him. There will be stories about how you can never go home again, but no one can ever take away Gibbs 1.0. So the story you get will depend on the author telling it.

By the way, all day I'm thinking is it Sunday yet?

[C-7]

I think for all Skins fans, Gibbs' legacy goes something like this:

3 Super Bowl wins in 4 appearances in 10 years.


Anything else he can add during Gibbs v.2 is just icing on the cake. But no matter what happens, there's still 3 trophies sitting in our lobby...


I agree 100%.

The past is not at risk, only the future.

[LASKINFAN]

:I agree Gibbs legacy is on the line, but if he doesn't succeed it will be a splintered history written about him. There will be stories about how you can never go home again, but no one can ever take away Gibbs 1.0. So the story you get will depend on the author telling it.

By the way, all day I'm thinking is it Sunday yet?
:sfight: only an idiot would bash a hall of fame coach with 3 rings that should have been 4 over a team that sucked before he came back......... his legacy is set in stone all he is doing now is helping the franchise and fans that he loves. steve spurrier set us back, and left us dangling in the wind. all i agree to is sometimes you pick guys and they dont work out so what, how about ryan leaf, its a crap shoot so get off my all time favorite coaches BACK YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS AND TO THE REAL FANS WITH A BRAIN #17 PRO BOWL BOUND BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Eh, Gibbs legacy has been on the line ever since he came back in January of '04. I don't think there will be any revelation this Sunday or even with the rest of the games this season, except for those that are quick to rush with judgement.
i dont know rich. you know how some redskins fans have short memories. he was a part of the staff that traded multiple picks for JC. if campbell comes in and bombs, some people will be ready to throw gibbs under a bus. i personally will not let gibbs' second stint here tarnish his legacy in washington, but some arent so forgiving.

[RedskinRyan]

really good article, and hard to imagine, but its making me more eager to see JC play this weekend

how can we lose when JC is our qb?

[wewantdallas]

I think Gibbs' legacy will be just fine, no matter what happens here.

Look at it like this. When Gibbs came back in '04, this organization had spent over 10 years as a beaten organization, an organization with little respect league-wide and one that had taken a fall much like the Roman Empire - it rotted away from within.

The winning attitude had disappeared, the toughness had disappeared, the understanding of Redskins tradition had disappeared, even the fervor of what was once the greatest fan base in the NFL had disappeared.

That doesn't change overnight. That doesn't even change completely in a year or two.

In Gibbs' first go-round, the Redskins had been out of the playoffs for three straight years, but with the exception of 1980, they were contenders in each of those years, and prior to that, under Allen, they were CONSISTENTLY in the playoffs, so there was still a sense of winning in this town. The second go-round was a much tougher mountain to scale, as we're seeing.

Gibbs in '04 was a disappointment of sorts at 6-10, but I think all could see, as that season ended, that the team was turning into something worth being proud of. We had guys on the team that seemed to truly care again, we developed a hard-nosed reputation and we inspired fear in our opponents. They at least knew they were going to face a physical beating.

In '05, Gibbs restored something to this franchise that we hadn't seen since 1992: Real pride. Yes, I had pride in the 1999 squad that made the playoffs, but even then I knew there were still serious problems with that unit.

But last year's team was simply magical. There were character guys on the team again like Portis, there were ego-less players, there was a return to a domination of the division (5-1) that we hadn't seen in AGES.

Then, for some reason I really don't understand, Gibbs decided to blow things up a bit. Truthfully, I really believe he was concerned about his own health, and THAT'S why he brought in Saunders. Wish it hadn't happened, but if it was for health reasons, I'm all for it.

But we faced devastating injuries from the beginning of preseason. Portis out. Priloeau out. Springs out. Griffin out. Brunell had to struggle with a brand new offense and HIS body is obviously not what it was even in the early part of '05. New guys, new chemistry...it's almost like it was '04 all over again. Gibbs didn't have to deal with that his first go-round. He went through the growing pains in '81 and then the team basically gelled and forged straight ahead for years to come.

Today, we're back in the middle of the growing pains again, and with Campbell, you can BET that there will be more growing pains. It may in fact get darker before it gets lighter around here, so I hope all fans are prepared for that (hope it doesn't happen, but the odds say it well might).

But I think Gibbs has already done some great things for this organization, particularly bringing us the greatest season we've had in 15 years with last season. I'll be interested to see how the team responds in part 2 of '06/'07, but I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm right now, even with all that's happened, than Joe Gibbs. Because when he gets the ship righted again, and he will, it'll be all the sweeter.

[OCSkinzFan]

I'm submitting my vote for post of the year right now.
Thanks WWD!!
Great perspective.I think Gibbs' legacy will be just fine, no matter what happens here.

Look at it like this. When Gibbs came back in '04, this organization had spent over 10 years as a beaten organization, an organization with little respect league-wide and one that had taken a fall much like the Roman Empire - it rotted away from within.

The winning attitude had disappeared, the toughness had disappeared, the understanding of Redskins tradition had disappeared, even the fervor of what was once the greatest fan base in the NFL had disappeared.

That doesn't change overnight. That doesn't even change completely in a year or two.

In Gibbs' first go-round, the Redskins had been out of the playoffs for three straight years, but with the exception of 1980, they were contenders in each of those years, and prior to that, under Allen, they were CONSISTENTLY in the playoffs, so there was still a sense of winning in this town. The second go-round was a much tougher mountain to scale, as we're seeing.

Gibbs in '04 was a disappointment of sorts at 6-10, but I think all could see, as that season ended, that the team was turning into something worth being proud of. We had guys on the team that seemed to truly care again, we developed a hard-nosed reputation and we inspired fear in our opponents. They at least knew they were going to face a physical beating.

In '05, Gibbs restored something to this franchise that we hadn't seen since 1992: Real pride. Yes, I had pride in the 1999 squad that made the playoffs, but even then I knew there were still serious problems with that unit.

But last year's team was simply magical. There were character guys on the team again like Portis, there were ego-less players, there was a return to a domination of the division (5-1) that we hadn't seen in AGES.

Then, for some reason I really don't understand, Gibbs decided to blow things up a bit. Truthfully, I really believe he was concerned about his own health, and THAT'S why he brought in Saunders. Wish it hadn't happened, but if it was for health reasons, I'm all for it.

But we faced devastating injuries from the beginning of preseason. Portis out. Priloeau out. Springs out. Griffin out. Brunell had to struggle with a brand new offense and HIS body is obviously not what it was even in the early part of '05. New guys, new chemistry...it's almost like it was '04 all over again. Gibbs didn't have to deal with that his first go-round. He went through the growing pains in '81 and then the team basically gelled and forged straight ahead for years to come.

Today, we're back in the middle of the growing pains again, and with Campbell, you can BET that there will be more growing pains. It may in fact get darker before it gets lighter around here, so I hope all fans are prepared for that (hope it doesn't happen, but the odds say it well might).

But I think Gibbs has already done some great things for this organization, particularly bringing us the greatest season we've had in 15 years with last season. I'll be interested to see how the team responds in part 2 of '06/'07, but I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm right now, even with all that's happened, than Joe Gibbs. Because when he gets the ship righted again, and he will, it'll be all the sweeter.

[Oregonian]

how can we lose when JC is our qb?

I didn't realize he was THAT JC!

Now I understand why Gibbs gave up those picks to move up to get him. We can't lose. It will be one miracle after another, and immaculate receptions to boot.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I don't disagree with anything that has been said so far regarding his legacy, but we unfortunately are not the people who will determine his legacy.

If his return does not turn out more positive than this, then we as Gibbs supporters will be defending his second stint as long as we live. If you don't think so, just read what other cities and national papers are saying.

Now it is easy to say who cares what they say. But those are the people who decide someone's legacy. People like Pastabelly who in today's article wrote how "Joe is below an average Joe" or any scum reporter in any divisional rivalry city calling for Joe's retirement. These are the people with the voice and these are the people who will develope the opinion of the masses and that is how a legacy is decided.

The people who said after 2004 that the game has passed Gibbs by will be the ones who will be back after this season (after all of our self inflicted SB hype) saying the same thing.

Point is his legacy or at least the second part of it will not be cemented by us as loyal fans who are in the minority, but rather by the vast majority of non-skins fans who will be lead by the national media.

[LASKINFAN]

I don't disagree with anything that has been said so far regarding his legacy, but we unfortunately are not the people who will determine his legacy.

If his return does not turn out more positive than this, then we as Gibbs supporters will be defending his second stint as long as we live. If you don't think so, just read what other cities and national papers are saying.

Now it is easy to say who cares what they say. But those are the people who decide someone's legacy. People like Pastabelly who in today's article wrote how "Joe is below an average Joe" or any scum reporter in any divisional rivalry city calling for Joe's retirement. These are the people with the voice and these are the people who will develope the opinion of the masses and that is how a legacy is decided.

The people who said after 2004 that the game has passed Gibbs by will be the ones who will be back after this season (after all of our self inflicted SB hype) saying the same thing.

Point is his legacy or at least the second part of it will not be cemented by us as loyal fans who are in the minority, but rather by the vast majority of non-skins fans who will be lead by the national media.
:sfight: poppycock my friend !!!! some nut jobs opinion about the greatest coach of all time dont mean squat to me..... its not your legacy if someone doesnt like you its haters from other teams who dream they could have a coach like we have in gibbs. he has never received the props he deserves for what he did in the past (3 different qbs come on) and still i see 2nd guessers even on our own site . hmmmm maybe we should bring back the ole ball coach for u malcontent types. GIBBS FOREVER IM OUT!!!!!!!!

[redskins567]

We'll be as patient with Campbell as we are with any Redskins QB. Meaning he will be cheered until he throws an incompletion.

But don't worry, maybe Gibbs will "prostitute" Campbell out to another team in a trade. :rolleyes:

LOL! :lol1: good one

[Meatsnack]

Gibb's legacy is as a man of integrity who wins and loses the right way. If more of his players and coaches had his sense of personal responsibility and work ethic we'd be 16-0 every December. If Gibbs retires after the 2007 season and we haven't reversed course , he'll get nothing but good wishes and secret hopes we would sign an extension from me.

How much would a Philly fan give to have had Gibbs instead of Kotite or Buddy Ryan? Don't you think they had the ammo to win with Cunningham and the Jerome Brown/Reggie White defense? How many Lombardis would the Giants or Cardinals have instead of us? Any "fan" who can't connect with winning it all isn't much of a fan at all. I am most especially NOT saying that Gibbs is beyond criticism. He screws-up just like all of us and will be the first to tell you so. My concern is that people realize that his legacy is bigger than a player, a game, or a season. He has, in large part, given the Redskins any credibility they have in the modern era.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I agree Gibbs' legacy is certainly not on the line. The bust in Canton is there to stay.

[Syllable]

Gibbs' Legacy On the Line With QB Switch (http://redskins.scout.com/2/590485.html)

Very interesting read. My favorite line is at the end.



Truer words were never spoken.
Like they say, its better to go out shooting.....

Really what about having Gibb's Legacy as the coach who managed to over pay 3/4 free agent busts so far in 06, and also manage to unlearn this team of he foreward pass. This decision isn't late, but needed. Brunell is so inconsitant this year that he could have breakout games but also shoot blanks.

[redwolf1218]

Like they say, its better to go out shooting.....

Really what about having Gibb's Legacy as the coach who managed to over pay 3/4 free agent busts so far in 06, and also manage to unlearn this team of he foreward pass. This decision isn't late, but needed. Brunell is so inconsitant this year that he could have breakout games but also shoot blanks.
i think Gibbs has done very well in free agency/trades and the draft. if you compare the good players against the busts, i think the percentage will be much better than your 3/4 assumption.

free agency/trades: Portis, Springs, Daniels, Griffin, Salavea, Vincent, Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Thrash...

draft: Campbell, Rogers, Taylor, Cooley, Rocky, Golston, Montgomery...

and some others i may have missed.

now name the busts... i think the jury is still out on Carter, Arch, Duckett, so i didnt list them in any category.

busts: Patten, Fauria, Kozlowsky, [insert name].

[Axegrinder]

Now that Grandpa's on the bench,it's time to let the kid take the Ferrari for a Sunday drive.

[redskins567]

Now that Grandpa's on the bench,it's time to let the kid take the Ferrari for a Sunday drive.

Wise words. :Peace:

[funnyperson1]

I think Gibbs' legacy will be just fine, no matter what happens here.

Look at it like this. When Gibbs came back in '04, this organization had spent over 10 years as a beaten organization, an organization with little respect league-wide and one that had taken a fall much like the Roman Empire - it rotted away from within.

The winning attitude had disappeared, the toughness had disappeared, the understanding of Redskins tradition had disappeared, even the fervor of what was once the greatest fan base in the NFL had disappeared.

That doesn't change overnight. That doesn't even change completely in a year or two.

In Gibbs' first go-round, the Redskins had been out of the playoffs for three straight years, but with the exception of 1980, they were contenders in each of those years, and prior to that, under Allen, they were CONSISTENTLY in the playoffs, so there was still a sense of winning in this town. The second go-round was a much tougher mountain to scale, as we're seeing.

Gibbs in '04 was a disappointment of sorts at 6-10, but I think all could see, as that season ended, that the team was turning into something worth being proud of. We had guys on the team that seemed to truly care again, we developed a hard-nosed reputation and we inspired fear in our opponents. They at least knew they were going to face a physical beating.

In '05, Gibbs restored something to this franchise that we hadn't seen since 1992: Real pride. Yes, I had pride in the 1999 squad that made the playoffs, but even then I knew there were still serious problems with that unit.

But last year's team was simply magical. There were character guys on the team again like Portis, there were ego-less players, there was a return to a domination of the division (5-1) that we hadn't seen in AGES.

Then, for some reason I really don't understand, Gibbs decided to blow things up a bit. Truthfully, I really believe he was concerned about his own health, and THAT'S why he brought in Saunders. Wish it hadn't happened, but if it was for health reasons, I'm all for it.

But we faced devastating injuries from the beginning of preseason. Portis out. Priloeau out. Springs out. Griffin out. Brunell had to struggle with a brand new offense and HIS body is obviously not what it was even in the early part of '05. New guys, new chemistry...it's almost like it was '04 all over again. Gibbs didn't have to deal with that his first go-round. He went through the growing pains in '81 and then the team basically gelled and forged straight ahead for years to come.

Today, we're back in the middle of the growing pains again, and with Campbell, you can BET that there will be more growing pains. It may in fact get darker before it gets lighter around here, so I hope all fans are prepared for that (hope it doesn't happen, but the odds say it well might).

But I think Gibbs has already done some great things for this organization, particularly bringing us the greatest season we've had in 15 years with last season. I'll be interested to see how the team responds in part 2 of '06/'07, but I can honestly say that I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm right now, even with all that's happened, than Joe Gibbs. Because when he gets the ship righted again, and he will, it'll be all the sweeter.

You know, I never thought about Al Saunders hiring being a health thing. What other rational reason to shake up your entire offense after a playoff season? In that case its definitely a decision I support whereas before it just confused the heck out of me.

The question is does Gibbs stay for the full 5 years of his contract? If so, and if we can maintain the current staff we will win a Super Bowl in the next couple years.

[Oregonian]

Now that Grandpa's on the bench,it's time to let the kid take the Ferrari for a Sunday drive.
And time to cross our fingers and hope he doesn't wrap it around a tree too many times.