Portis To IR (Broken Hand); Expected to have shoulder surgery

[greatest2]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/14/AR2006111400896.html

there it is....you think its a good idea or not?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/14/AR2006111400896.html

there it is....you think its a good idea or not?
Personally, yes.

[greatest2]

personally i think we can wait til we lose another couple games before ending his year. What if, by crazy chance and luck we go on a run and we regret this decision.

I don't think holdin on to portis for a little while with hurt the roster, 1 spot is ok for a little bit. Once we officially eliminated then i am all for this

just my take

[bwparker]

personally i think we can wait til we lose another couple games before ending his year. What if, by crazy chance and luck we go on a run and we regret this decision.

I don't think holdin on to portis for a little while with hurt the roster, 1 spot is ok for a little bit. Once we officially eliminated then i am all for this

just my take
Thats how I feel too. Just wait until we lose another game or 2, then make the decision final. Its not like there is a big rush on it. Either way, he's probably not playing.

[silverspring]

personally i think we can wait til we lose another couple games before ending his year. What if, by crazy chance and luck we go on a run and we regret this decision.

I don't think holdin on to portis for a little while with hurt the roster, 1 spot is ok for a little bit. Once we officially eliminated then i am all for this

just my take

I agree this move is just not consistent with what we have been doing. I mean we had TJ inactive for about half the season, what is the harm in keeping clinton for another couple weeks. Maybe the injury is worse then we know, but it isn't like he blew out his knee.

[akhhorus]

It would have been nice to see play with Campbell, but I can understand why they did this. If he misses 3-4 games, you bring him back for the final 3-4 games? Why bother. Just shut him down for the season and play Duckett and Betts. Both of them are playing for contracts and might be highly motivated to play hard.

[SkinsASchamps]

Good move. Let him heal for next year. He is young and needs to lose all these injuries. Heal up and then come back strong next year.

[openallnight]

There is no way I'm believing this until I hear an official statement from the Redskins. What roster spot is so vital that we need to IR our star RB w/ a broken finger in week 10???

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It would have been nice to see play with Campbell, but I can understand why they did this. If he misses 3-4 games, you bring him back for the final 3-4 games? Why bother. Just shut him down for the season and play Duckett and Betts.
Exactly. We've already played 9 games. If he misses 4, he only would have 3 left. What if he comes back and tears an ACL? That would be beyond disastrous, especially if it's a meaningless game.

[joethefan]

It would have been nice to see play with Campbell, but I can understand why they did this. If he misses 3-4 games, you bring him back for the final 3-4 games? Why bother. Just shut him down for the season and play Duckett and Betts. Both of them are playing for contracts and might be highly motivated to play hard.it's amazing how you seem to take my thoughts...LOL

But I would also say, we gotta see which one of the two are we looking to keep around next year to assist portis.....personally I think they are gonna try to shop betts or is he in his last year.....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

it's amazing how you seem to take my thoughts...LOL

But I would also say, we gotta see which one of the two are we looking to keep around next year to assist portis.....personally I think they are gonna try to shop betts or is he in his last year.....
They are both free agents.

[joethefan]

He's also slated to be on the John Thompson show at 5:00....Sports talk 980 said that it was kicked around but not made official....

[smoak]

We need to see who we want back bettween Betts and Duckett, and we know what we have in Portis. Frankly, I think we are running a little lite at the position and we should trade for another RB.

[CNYSkinFan]

The surgery must not have revealed a deeper injury or the like. I would love to see him back this year, but only if we win 3 or 4 games straight. I wish we could wait a couple of weeks and ee how the season plays out with campbell...but if this what the med staff is saying we should do...do it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We need to see who we want back bettween Betts and Duckett, and we know what we have in Portis. Frankly, I think we are running a little lite at the position and we should trade for another RB.
You wouldn't be satisfied with Portis\Duckett\Cartwright next year?

[CNYSkinFan]

We need to see who we want back bettween Betts and Duckett, and we know what we have in Portis. Frankly, I think we are running a little lite at the position and we should trade for another RB.
why not...we have a 5th, 6th, and 7th lets trade for JJ arrington!!!

[joethefan]

I would like to see Campbell play with portis though. Becaue then we'll always have that what if factor in their esp if Jason isn't successful and the skins shut portis down....

[bergiemoore]

I'd love to see Clinton stay on the roster through the end of the year, but there are needs which must be addressed immediately. I hope that this in no way jeopardizes his long term standing with the Skins, a la LaVar.....

[LATrueRedskin]

Shut 'er down...

[The Skinsinator]

The season is all but over however not completely over. As unlikely as it may seem our schedule could let us get hot. Would have waited after one more loss but we'll see. We should be ok with Ladell and TJ. I really don't feel Portis has been completely 100% all season.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I have to wait till next year to see Campbell/Portis? This bites. Sure it may be the right thing to do but I don't really get hyped in anticipation to see Betts play.

[redskins567]

Lol we are already 50% to 49% Favorites over The Bucs on ESPN Intel Report. :)

[skinsfan36]

who are we working out the article says we worked out half a dozen players

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

It would have been nice to see play with Campbell, but I can understand why they did this. If he misses 3-4 games, you bring him back for the final 3-4 games? Why bother. Just shut him down for the season and play Duckett and Betts. Both of them are playing for contracts and might be highly motivated to play hard.
i agree. i feel bad for CP though. it feels as though he was the one on the madden cover, lol. we will just have to look forward to him starting the 07-08 season off at 100%. but.....what if the miraculous happened and we get back into the playoff picture? anyhow, i think betts/duckett/ rock can handle the load.

[Redskinmayhem]

Exactly. We've already played 9 games. If he misses 4, he only would have 3 left. What if he comes back and tears an ACL? That would be beyond disastrous, especially if it's a meaningless game.


yea good point. I don't like it but at this point, the season is over so let him heal and come back strong for next year. He's had a ton of carries of the last two seasons so this may be just what the doc ordered.

[Skins57]

Betts has proven to be a decent back up and I do not want to trade anymore draft picks away and that seems to be the trend here so lets keep, Betts or TJ and keep our draft picks.I am looking forward to seeing TJ in this offense

[redwolf1218]

personally i think we can wait til we lose another couple games before ending his year. What if, by crazy chance and luck we go on a run and we regret this decision.

I don't think holdin on to portis for a little while with hurt the roster, 1 spot is ok for a little bit. Once we officially eliminated then i am all for this

just my take
i agree. until we are mathematically eliminated, i'd keep him on the roster. we could still make a miraculous run for the playoffs, and then it would be great to bring him back with his shoulder, ankle and hand all 100%.

[PA Skins Girl]

Redskins.com's article says 3-4 weeks. No mention of potential IR. Personally, I hope they dont put him on IR.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=22156

[redwolf1218]

no way he goes on IR now. i would be shocked. that would send the message that we've given up on the season.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I gotta tone down my selective reading lol, because I thought this was already a done deal.

[whistleandthumb]

This guy has been so cursed from the beginning of this season that I'm afraid if we put him back in later this year, something worse will happen.

Let's just shut him down for the year, let him get COMPLETELY healthy, and ready for a run in '07.

[redwolf1218]

This guy has been so cursed from the beginning of this season that I'm afraid if we put him back in later this year, something worse will happen.

Let's just shut him down for the year, let him get COMPLETELY healthy, and ready for a run in '07.
as much as i think he deserves the year off to get healthy, i keep thinking he might be fully healthy when we're 6 and 6, then back into game shape at 10 and 6, and ready for the playoffs.

if we lose another one, put him on IR. same with Moss and Patten. elevate Espy and Harris to the roster and let Rocky start.

[greatest2]

no way he goes on IR now. i would be shocked. that would send the message that we've given up on the season.

i hope your right, i and i hope the post is wrong, and i hope we make a run, can you imagin clinton 100 percent for the last 3 games and playoffs!!! freasher then any other back.

i also think that if they put portis on ir right now, without sayin the injury is any more severe then we think it is, is sayin we give up, and gibbs never does that. I believe they hold on to him a few more weeks, and heres to hopin we make a run!!!

[28thegreat]

If we get hot playing Betts and TJ, with a new QB, why would we put a still recuperating CP back in? I think this is a good move. If he were to make it back this year, he would not be in sync with the new order of things. And if we don't start a win streak, why rush him back? This is a hand, but I don't think he was fully recovered from the ankle. This lets him get fully rested and then have a good offseason to strengthen andthen come back strong in 07-08. Good move. Though I will seriously miss him.

[golongdude]

Let him rest and heal for the year and come back strong next year. If by some freakish turn of events the Skins should make the playoffs, it won't be due to him but the others, so who would want to sabotage that? If the machine starts to work this year, you let it roll in whatever direction it does and don't change a thing about it!

But this is all crazy talk anyhow.

[redwolf1218]

If we get hot playing Betts and TJ, with a new QB, why would we put a still recuperating CP back in? I think this is a good move. If he were to make it back this year, he would not be in sync with the new order of things. And if we don't start a win streak, why rush him back? This is a hand, but I don't think he was fully recovered from the ankle. This lets him get fully rested and then have a good offseason to strengthen andthen come back strong in 07-08. Good move. Though I will seriously miss him.
my point was not that he would be "still recuperating", he would be fully healthy and fresh for a playoff run, while Duckett or Betts could very likely get some nagging bumps and bruises along the way.

[redwolf1218]

i hope your right, i and i hope the post is wrong, and i hope we make a run, can you imagin clinton 100 percent for the last 3 games and playoffs!!! freasher then any other back.

i also think that if they put portis on ir right now, without sayin the injury is any more severe then we think it is, is sayin we give up, and gibbs never does that. I believe they hold on to him a few more weeks, and heres to hopin we make a run!!!
that's what i'm thinking. we had a banged up Portis off-and-on. then a fresh Betts. now we have a fresh Duckett chomping at the bit. later on we could bring in the fresh Portis for a playoff run.

if we lose another one, then i'll be all for giving Portis the rest of the year off.

[FanFromArizona]

who are we working out the article says we worked out half a dozen players


Bring back the Lumpy Canadian! :rolleyes:

[redwolf1218]

Bring back the Lumpy Canadian! :rolleyes:
probably someone to backup Cooley. he has been taking shots to play on a seperated shoulder, Fauria is horrible and his ankle is busted, and who is Yoder?

[redskins567]

as much as i think he deserves the year off to get healthy, i keep thinking he might be fully healthy when we're 6 and 6, then back into game shape at 10 and 6, and ready for the playoffs.

if we lose another one, put him on IR. same with Moss and Patten. elevate Espy and Harris to the roster and let Rocky start.

I honestly dont think we will go 10-6, and we are most likely out of the playoffs. We are 1-3 against are division:banghead:.

[Meatsnack]

I would want the IR move to be Portis' decision. CP is a prideful player and I wouldn't want to sour him to Coach Gibbs with a move that would feel like demotion or removing him from the team.

[greatest2]

I would want the IR move to be Portis' decision. CP is a prideful player and I wouldn't want to sour him to Coach Gibbs with a move that would feel like demotion or removing him from the team.

thats a good idea, but at what point does the coach make it his decision, after 1 more lose? 2 more?, i agree, right now make it portis, we dont want another Lavar, and i think the players respect gibbs enough to know that he is being kind, and that he still runs things

[28thegreat]

my point was not that he would be "still recuperating", he would be fully healthy and fresh for a playoff run, while Duckett or Betts could very likely get some nagging bumps and bruises along the way.
And my point was that I don't think he will be back at FULL strength in four weeks. Well, maybe full strength, but cetainly he wouldn't practice during those four weeks. I think this hand break was pretty serious though. I read someone say it was a finger, but I believe from other reports it is more serious than just a finger break.

[redwolf1218]

And my point was that I don't think he will be back at FULL strength in four weeks. Well, maybe full strength, but cetainly he wouldn't practice during those four weeks. I think this hand break was pretty serious though. I read someone say it was a finger, but I believe from other reports it is more serious than just a finger break.
i didnt say he'd be back at full strength in 4 weeks either, but i do believe he'll be able to play then, and back at full strength, including hand, shoulder and ankle, in 6 or 8 weeks, in time for the playoff run.

like i said, if we lose again, put him on IR, let him go home and take some time off to relax and recuperate.

[Redskin006]

as disheartening as this is to all of us redskins fans, now we will see how good of a trade the duckett trade is going to turn out. duckett only has 7 carries this season for 40 yards, thats 5.7 a carry. those are good numbers. we should expect him to split time with betts with betts getting 15-20 carries and duckett with probably 10-15. these numbers could be greater since we have a young quarterback now starting. but this trade may actually prove to have been well worth our third rounder.

[redwolf1218]

as disheartening as this is to all of us redskins fans, now we will see how good of a trade the duckett trade is going to turn out. duckett only has 7 carries this season for 40 yards, thats 5.7 a carry. those are good numbers. we should expect him to split time with betts with betts getting 15-20 carries and duckett with probably 10-15. these numbers could be greater since we have a young quarterback now starting. but this trade may actually prove to have been well worth our third rounder.
i agree, it's like a plan that cant be revealed ahead of time, but only becomes apparent with patience. i think now we will begin to see the wisdom of the trade for Duckett. the alternative would be to now have only Betts and Rock as our running backs.

[Axegrinder]

This would be a good move.
I'd rather have a healthy Portis for the long haul,than rushing him back.
This gives us a chance to showcase what these other guys can do.

[greatest2]

as disheartening as this is to all of us redskins fans, now we will see how good of a trade the duckett trade is going to turn out. duckett only has 7 carries this season for 40 yards, thats 5.7 a carry. those are good numbers. we should expect him to split time with betts with betts getting 15-20 carries and duckett with probably 10-15. these numbers could be greater since we have a young quarterback now starting. but this trade may actually prove to have been well worth our third rounder.


i understand where you coming from, but how is our third rounder (which should yield a starter in the NFL or at least a nice backup) trade good for a back who is in the final year of a contract and is only going to be used in the last 7 games of a season that is already pretty much over (no i haven't given up, but look at it)

i dont think a third is equal to that, so i still think the trade was awfull, unless we resign T.J. before he hits the market and let betts go. then its good. I think they are planning to play off each of them to get the one with the lower askin price.

[redwolf1218]

i understand where you coming from, but how is our third rounder (which should yield a starter in the NFL or at least a nice backup) trade good for a back who is in the final year of a contract and is only going to be used in the last 7 games of a season that is already pretty much over (no i haven't given up, but look at it)

i dont think a third is equal to that, so i still think the trade was awfull, unless we resign T.J. before he hits the market and let betts go. then its good. I think they are planning to play off each of them to get the one with the lower askin price.
or just get the better running back. i think it will be Duckett. Betts has been here a long time, what has he really done? Duckett has more upside. i hope he will be signed to a long-term deal. i'm not sure if Betts would even make another team's roster, but i'm pretty sure Duckett would.

imagine next year, we have Portis and Betts, or Portis and Duckett. Portis would be better than Betts at the all-around roll, and Duckett would better at the pound-it roll.

[greatest2]

or just get the better running back. i think it will be Duckett. Betts has been here a long time, what has he really done? Duckett has more upside. i hope he will be signed to a long-term deal. i'm not sure if Betts would even make another team's roster, but i'm pretty sure Duckett would.

imagine next year, we have Portis and Betts, or Portis and Duckett. Portis would be better than Betts at the all-around roll, and Duckett would better at the pound-it roll.

good idea, i think keepin duckett is better as well, 3rd and short and he will definitily get in cause he will be number 2. good view, and i agree with it, i think portis and duckett are better then portis and betts....but betts will be the number 2 at least for somebody, and possiably, if someone is real desperate, a number 1 for a little while.


by the way espn has a write up on this http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2662253

They said that portis will also have Shoulder surgery...i think this is the best idea, and if this is true then yes end his season now, shoulder surgery and hand surgery is too much, rest up, come back full strength for next year, and spring camp

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'm glad he is going to have the shoulder surgery now instead of waiting. Too often you hear stories of guys who wait and then miss games, practice, etc. the following season.

All I can say is heal up CP because this team needs you in 07.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I think Betts and TJ are both good #2 options, but neither are good #1 options. We'll see who's a better fit for this offense in the next few weeks.

[redskin_rich]

I knew that shoulder wasn't going to be right all season. Shut it down and get him all fixed up now so he is ready to go by the time mini camps roll around. This is a perfect opportunity to evaluate Betts and Duckett to see which we should try to keep or if either is going to be worth their asking price.

[redwolf1218]

I knew that shoulder wasn't going to be right all season. Shut it down and get him all fixed up now so he is ready to go by the time mini camps roll around. This is a perfect opportunity to evaluate Betts and Duckett to see which we should try to keep or if either is going to be worth their asking price.
i hope we keep Duckett.

[LATrueRedskin]

EDIT: Late about the shoulder surgery.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i think if they are going to shut him down, having the surgery now is a great decision. he'll have even more time to rehab and be ready for minicamp. i just wish his season didnt have to go like this. im going to miss his crushing blocks among other things. :(

[WarEagle]

To paraphrase Tiki Barber in the Caddy commercials, another back has a chance to seize the opportunity. Let's hope they make the best of it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

A couple of weeks ago, even without the broken hand, I said we should have thought about shutting Portis down for the rest of the season if we lost a few more games. He hasn't been healthy all season and it has showed, both on the field, and in the losses column..so right now, I think this is absolutely the best decision.

[smoak]

You wouldn't be satisfied with Portis\Duckett\Cartwright next year?

:D I was kidding about trading for another back. If Portis is healthy, I think he and Duckett (or Betts) make a fine 1-2 punch.

[dj_stouty]

If I knew Portis would be healthy for the last few games, I wouldn't put him on IR so quickly. I think it is important for the team to see Campbell and Portis play together. Who knows...maybe the two of them go out there and end the season on high notes and brings that momentum into next season.

I would wait on tagging Portis with the IR. Remember; the Skins slapped it on Patten a little bit too early last season. Patten admitted he was 100% by week 15/16 and he could have been used in the playoffs.

[redwolf1218]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20061115-125132-4833r

Washington Times reporting the move to IR is "likely" to happen today but no confirmation yet from the team.

[redskin_rich]

If I knew Portis would be healthy for the last few games, I wouldn't put him on IR so quickly. I think it is important for the team to see Campbell and Portis play together. Who knows...maybe the two of them go out there and end the season on high notes and brings that momentum into next season.

I would wait on tagging Portis with the IR. Remember; the Skins slapped it on Patten a little bit too early last season. Patten admitted he was 100% by week 15/16 and he could have been used in the playoffs.
He needs shoulder surgery. That injury happened over 3 months ago, he hasn't and won't be healthy this season.

[Fathead]

It makes sense to get the shoulder surgery done ASAP at this point. As much as I love Jason and love the Skins, a Super Bowl run is not realistic.


I'd much rather have a 100% Clinton next year who can attend offseason workouts than risk anything else this year.

[CNYSkinFan]

It makes sense if they are going to go ahead and do the shoulder surgery now to shut him down and get him back for next year.

BUT

Please don't turn this into a justification for the Duckett trade. Trading a 3rd rounder for a one year rental who will only play now that we are virtually eliminated after the playoffs and after a freak injury to Portis (hand) is still inexcusable. The redskin organization (Snyder, Cerrato & Gibbs) traded a third rounder for what essentially amounted to a third stringer.

For those hoping we resign Duckett over Betts I have to ask you why? Duckett did not beat out Betts for the #2 guy all year. And since Duckett did not choose to come here you have to think he is going to test the market for an opportunity to start somewhere. betts may do so as well, but at least he has gotten significant playing time with the Skins and may feel like resigning here is a good option.

[redskin_rich]

It makes sense if they are going to go ahead and do the shoulder surgery now to shut him down and get him back for next year.

BUT

Please don't turn this into a justification for the Duckett trade. Trading a 3rd rounder for a one year rental who will only play now that we are virtually eliminated after the playoffs and after a freak injury to Portis (hand) is still inexcusable. The redskin organization (Snyder, Cerrato & Gibbs) traded a third rounder for what essentially amounted to a third stringer.

For those hoping we resign Duckett over Betts I have to ask you why? Duckett did not beat out Betts for the #2 guy all year. And since Duckett did not choose to come here you have to think he is going to test the market for an opportunity to start somewhere. betts may do so as well, but at least he has gotten significant playing time with the Skins and may feel like resigning here is a good option.
Betts has never stayed healthy for an entire season and that is pretty pathetic for a guy who has, what, 5 career starts? He didn't beat out Duckett for anything, Gibbs has just stuck with his seniority policy as he always does. I don't know what will happen from here on out but I'm glad we have Duckett to put in the backfield with Betts, while Campbell gets his feet wet, versus having Cartwright getting extended work.

[CNYSkinFan]

Betts has never stayed healthy for an entire season and that is pretty pathetic for a guy who has, what, 5 career starts? He didn't beat out Duckett for anything, Gibbs has just stuck with his seniority policy as he always does. I don't know what will happen from here on out but I'm glad we have Duckett to put in the backfield with Betts, while Campbell gets his feet wet, versus having Cartwright getting extended work.
I will never argue that Duckett is not an upgrade over Cartwright...I just don't know if a 3rd rounder is the right bprice to pay for this upgrade.

And Betts is stillplaying much more then Duckett. Either it was a bad trade because they over valued Duckett or under valued Betts..or both.

[joethefan]

i agree. i feel bad for CP though. it feels as though he was the one on the madden cover, lol. we will just have to look forward to him starting the 07-08 season off at 100%. but.....what if the miraculous happened and we get back into the playoff picture? anyhow, i think betts/duckett/ rock can handle the load.

in a way I wish he was on the Madden cover, then we could have gotten it over with

[joethefan]

Betts has never stayed healthy for an entire season and that is pretty pathetic for a guy who has, what, 5 career starts? He didn't beat out Duckett for anything, Gibbs has just stuck with his seniority policy as he always does. I don't know what will happen from here on out but I'm glad we have Duckett to put in the backfield with Betts, while Campbell gets his feet wet, versus having Cartwright getting extended work.I agree..with you rich...

[shally]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/14/AR2006111400896.html

there it is....you think its a good idea or not?



told you the shoulder surgery would have to happen inthe off season..

also, rich tandler commented upon portis's lack of participation inthe off season conditioning program this past year.. he needs to re dedicate himself this off season

[shally]

It makes sense if they are going to go ahead and do the shoulder surgery now to shut him down and get him back for next year.

BUT

Please don't turn this into a justification for the Duckett trade. Trading a 3rd rounder for a one year rental who will only play now that we are virtually eliminated after the playoffs and after a freak injury to Portis (hand) is still inexcusable. The redskin organization (Snyder, Cerrato & Gibbs) traded a third rounder for what essentially amounted to a third stringer.

For those hoping we resign Duckett over Betts I have to ask you why? Duckett did not beat out Betts for the #2 guy all year. And since Duckett did not choose to come here you have to think he is going to test the market for an opportunity to start somewhere. betts may do so as well, but at least he has gotten significant playing time with the Skins and may feel like resigning here is a good option.

i think that WAS the reason for the duckett trade, like it or not...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i think that WAS the reason for the duckett trade, like it or not...
Then that would prove just how little our front office values draft picks.

[warpaint]

its official redskins.com portis placed on ir

[shally]

Then that would prove just how little our front office values draft picks.


we already knew that....LOL

any word on who gets signed to replace portis onthe roster ?

it would be nice to get espy or sykes off the PS... or maybe reclaim harvey to the roster

[Redskinmayhem]

its official redskins.com portis placed on ir

yep, you beat me to the post.

[shally]

yep, you beat me to the post.

and kozlowski TE... signed... awfull !!!! total waste.. why not a young player ?

[Brokenstriker]

AP reports Portis to IR and Skins sign ...


TE Kozlowski



WHY Kozlowski?

[shally]

AP reports Portis to IR and Skins sign ...


TE Kozlowski



WHY Kozlowski?


total waste.. he was not worth anything the last time he was here.. if yoder and fauria are poor, then cut them and dont just keep adding aged players.

we are not making a playoff run.. let's see if we can find some good young players not aging bums

[becky]

and kozlowski TE... signed... awfull !!!! total waste.. why not a young player ?


.. score.

Thank god, I was worried I'd never be able to break out my Kozlowski jersey ever again.

Get better Portis!

[Dolla Bill]

total waste.. he was not worth anything the last time he was here.. if yoder and fauria are poor, then cut them and dont just keep adding aged players.

we are not making a playoff run.. let's see if we can find some good young players not aging bums


Why not see if Buck Ortega is still around? He didn't do so bad in preseason.

[shally]

Why not see if Buck Ortega is still around? He didn't do so bad in preseason.

agreed.. a waste of a roster spot..

[CNYSkinFan]

Kozlowski? Man what does Gibbs see in this guy. 3+years of total worthlessness and no future.

Kozlowski? Seriously?

[warpaint]

and kozlowski TE... signed... awfull !!!! total waste.. why not a young player ?
maybe chris c is hurt, wasnt kozlowski with the team last year ? regardless i agree total waste of a roster spot

[shally]

maybe chris c is hurt, wasnt kozlowski with the team last year ? regardless i agree total waste of a roster spot


he was not worth much as a blocker or as a receiver the last time(s) he was here. if they are looking for a special teamer, surely there are better.

i think his signing is an indictment of the present group of tight ends onthe roster. if so, address it by cutting them. this does nothing to improve the skins as far as i see it.

so why am i so upset over an end of the roster player ? why ? because it is symptomatic of the shortsightedness of the front office in signing older players with no future instead of looking for a younger player who might develop into something... if the guys on our PS are so poor that they have no roster potential, then cut them and find others who do.. this is simply BS to sign a retread like kozlowski... a total waste...!!!!

[akhhorus]

.. score.

Thank god, I was worried I'd never be able to break out my Kozlowski jersey ever again.

Get better Portis!

babe, you have a Koz jersey? We have to talk :D

[warpaint]

he was not worth much as a blocker or as a receiver the last time(s) he was here. if they are looking for a special teamer, surely there are better.

i think his signing is an indictment of the present group of tight ends onthe roster. if so, address it by cutting them. this does nothing to improve the skins as far as i see it.

so why am i so upset over an end of the roster player ? why ? because it is symptomatic of the shortsightedness of the front office in signing older players with no future instead of looking for a younger player who might develop into something... if the guys on our PS are so poor that they have no roster potential, then cut them and find others who do.. this is simply BS to sign a retread like kozlowski... a total waste...!!!!

so who do we blame here ? joe gibbs ?

[danny's stogie]

babe, you have a Koz jersey? We have to talk :D

What, you like that better than the dominatrix outfit? :D

[skinsfan36]

are we releasing yoder then? i think ndukewe is a free agent again resign him stupid front office

[helimech24]

What, you like that better than the dominatrix outfit? :DAnything is better than that.

[becky]

babe, you have a Koz jersey? We have to talk :D

Yeah, so?! I keep it hanging next to my burgundy authentic Jeff George.

[warpaint]

are we releasing yoder then? i think ndukewe is a free agent again resign him stupid front office

arent we saying joe gibbs is stupid here call a spade a spade

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I disagree with you guys about Koz. I think that with his experience, athletism, and game-changing ability, we could really go on a roll and make some noise in the playoffs. We really were just a 36-year-old TE away from being a contender.

[akhhorus]

Yeah, so?! I keep it hanging next to my burgundy authentic Jeff George.

:lol1:

What, you like that better than the dominatrix outfit? :D

link (http://www.akrondesign.com/Mascots/marylens/mascots/sheep1.html) I think shipping to Montana is relatively cheap, DS. lol.

[danny's stogie]

I disagree with you guys about Koz. I think that with his experience, athletism, and game-changing ability, we could really go on a roll and make some noise in the playoffs. We really were just a 36-year-old TE away from being a contender.

Who cares? I doubt he plays a single down besides special teams.

[danny's stogie]

:lol1:



link (http://www.akrondesign.com/Mascots/marylens/mascots/sheep1.html) I think shipping to Montana is relatively cheap, DS. lol.

Why would i need that when the real thing is a baaaaa away?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Who cares? I doubt he plays a single down besides special teams.
That's the point...

[shally]

so who do we blame here ? joe gibbs ?

yes.. that signing has gibbs finger prints all over it... vinnie wouldn't dare..

saunders wouldn't know him or want him.. that was gibbs myopia, sorry to say

[shally]

Who cares? I doubt he plays a single down besides special teams.

wrong, my sheep loving friend.. we will see him much more than that. especially inthe red zone...

and if we needed a special teamer, i would have preferred someone younger..espy or sykes for certain...

we have no need for old wood at this time

[danny's stogie]

That's the point...

Yup, but anyone else they bring in to be the 57th man is going to be in the exact same position.

[shally]

Yup, but anyone else they bring in to be the 57th man is going to be in the exact same position.

then get someone young to do that... koz will be 45 next season...:lol1:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yup, but anyone else they bring in to be the 57th man is going to be in the exact same position.
Not if they decide to give some of the young guys significant playing time..I don't see the point of giving Fauria extensive playing time at this point..he is what he is..let's see if somebody else is worth something...

[whitskins]

We re-signed Kozlowski!?!??!!? No! NO!! NOOOO!!!!!!

All is lost!! Where's the nearest cliff??? There's one!!


GOODBYE CRUEL WORRRRLLLLLLDDDDDDDD!!!!!!


(thud)

[danny's stogie]

Not if they decide to give some of the young guys significant playing time..I don't see the point of giving Fauria extensive playing time at this point..he is what he is..let's see if somebody else is worth something...

If they plan on having Fauria be part of the offense next season then they should give him plenty of playing time from now till the end of the season. Lord knows this team needs all the practice they can get.

[shally]

If they plan on having Fauria be part of the offense next season then they should give him plenty of playing time from now till the end of the season. Lord knows this team needs all the practice they can get.

if fauria has not learned to block by this time in his career, he surely wont by next year..

i have said my piece on this... got to go back to work...

[danny's stogie]

We re-signed Kozlowski!?!??!!? No! NO!! NOOOO!!!!!!

All is lost!! Where's the nearest cliff??? There's one!!


GOODBYE CRUEL WORRRRLLLLLLDDDDDDDD!!!!!!


(thud)

LMAO! For a bunch of players that barely play a down they sure do cause a lot of message board chaos.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If they plan on having Fauria be part of the offense next season then they should give him plenty of playing time from now till the end of the season. Lord knows this team needs all the practice they can get.
Man do I hope that is not the case...

[danny's stogie]

if fauria has not learned to block by this time in his career, he surely wont by next year..

i have said my piece on this... got to go back to work...

It's an out-of-sync offense. Sitting players down that aren't injured won't help them improve as a unit in the long run.

[helimech24]

Not if they decide to give some of the young guys significant playing time..I don't see the point of giving Fauria extensive playing time at this point..he is what he is..let's see if somebody else is worth something...A non-blocking TE? Do we really need him if we have Cooley?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

if fauria has not learned to block by this time in his career, he surely wont by next year..

i have said my piece on this... got to go back to work...
CAMPBELL!! CAMPBELL!! CAMPBELL!! Oh no, wait....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

A non-blocking TE? Do we really need him if we have Cooley?
Fauria is a blocking TE?
Seriously, it can be any kind of TE...

[helimech24]

It's an out-of-sync offense. Sitting players down that aren't injured won't help them improve as a unit in the long run.But he isn't a long term solution. He was a stop gap for this year that hasn't panned out.

[danny's stogie]

But he isn't a long term solution. He was a stop gap for this year that hasn't panned out.

He's the second TE. I don't think you can really call any of them "stop gaps", anyways, I don't know of any player right now being a long-term solution. All I know is that if they plan on keeping him next year then he should keep playing and practicing with the offense.

[helimech24]

He's the second TE. I don't think you can really call any of them "stop gaps", anyways, I don't know of any player right now being a long-term solution. All I know is that if they plan on keeping him next year then he should keep playing and practicing with the offense.Here is my question, why not try out some of our younger talent to see if he is worth keeping or drafting another TE that can do a better job of blocking with some recieving skills. Do we really need two recieving TEs on our team?

[CNYSkinFan]

Look Fauria has not done well but there is not a young guy under him ready to take his place. This is why I was disappointed at Robert Johnson's lack of progress this off season and his eventuall release. In the off season we can pick up some cheap decent TEs in the draft....oh wait nevermind.

[skinsfan36]

but why sign old tight ends i mean i would like to see guys all of our practice squad. another question why are there 2 recievers on our practice squad? we should just have espy. (shakes head). we need to play youth not old tight ends

[helimech24]

Fauria is a blocking TE?
Seriously, it can be any kind of TE...Not if we expect them to stay in and block. But all the blame might not go to Fauria, it could be the blocking scheme or offensive scheme. I haven't a bit of offensive play this year that amazed me like we were all lead to believe during the offseason.

[danny's stogie]

Here is my question, why not try out some of our younger talent to see if he is worth keeping or drafting another TE that can do a better job of blocking with some recieving skills. Do we really need two recieving TEs on our team?

With the quixotic offense that Saunders tries to run do the Skins really need even one?

You can try out young players in training camp and practice. You can't teach a unit to play well together by changing the starting lineup on a whim.

[helimech24]

Look Fauria has not done well but there is not a young guy under him ready to take his place. This is why I was disappointed at Robert Johnson's lack of progress this off season and his eventuall release. In the off season we can pick up some cheap decent TEs in the draft....oh wait nevermind.Stop being mean! I don't like getting kicked in the lower regions.

[danny's stogie]

Stop being mean! I don't like getting kicked in the lower regions.

Hey, none of this would matter right now if the Skins had drafted Heath Miller.

[helimech24]

With the quixotic offense that Saunders tries to run do the Skins really need even one?

You can try out young players in training camp and practice. You can't teach a unit to play well together by changing the starting lineup on a whim.But is it really a whim at this point. We are three and six with a first time starter at QB. And yes, in Saunders offense you need one recieving TE, look at Tony G.

[helimech24]

Hey, none of this would matter right now if the Skins had drafted Heath Miller.You would rather have Heath Miller than JC?

[danny's stogie]

But is it really a whim at this point. We are three and six with a first time starter at QB. And yes, in Saunders offense you need one recieving TE, look at Tony G.

How are they ever going to get the offense if they start changing parts every game? The best units in the NFL have consistency among their players. It takes time to learn a system and how to work well with your teammates. I think shuffling parts every week will stall the unit's progress.

You would rather have Heath Miller than JC?

Gentle swipe at CNY.

[whitskins]

If the Skins had re-signed Buck Ortega I'd give them a legitimate shot at running the table and getting into the playoffs at 10-6. Too bad we missed the boat on that one.

[skinsfan36]

If the Skins had re-signed Buck Ortega I'd give them a legitimate shot at running the table and getting into the playoffs at 10-6. Too bad we missed the boat on that one.

i know its a joke but he really looked to be campbells favorite target in the preseason hes on the browns ps.

[helimech24]

How are they ever going to get the offense if they start changing parts every game? The best units in the NFL have consistency among their players. It takes time to learn a system and how to work well with your teammates. I think shuffling parts every week will stall the unit's progress.



Gentle swipe at CNY.Is trying another backup TE or second TE really going to destroy the structure of our offense? Fauria is a role player not a playmaker.

[danny's stogie]

Is trying another backup TE or second TE really going to destroy the structure of our offense? Fauria is a role player not a playmaker.

He's part of the hastily designed, poor blocking schemes that Saunders has been trying to install, so yeah, he matters.

[helimech24]

He's part of the hastily designed, poor blocking schemes that Saunders has been trying to install, so yeah, he matters.But he can't block, he has never been able to block, and it doesn't look like he could ever be good at blocking. So why not try another solution? But you bring up another interesting point. Do you think Brunell and Portis are to blame for the lack of success or Al Saunders not adjusting the playbook to his players?

[danny's stogie]

But he can't block, he has never been able to block, and it doesn't look like he could ever be good at blocking. So why not try another solution? But you bring up another interesting point. Do you think Brunell and Portis are to blame for the lack of success or Al Saunders not adjusting the playbook to his players?

It's a combination of things, but I take issue with the way Saunders has designed his offense. You design your playbook around the strengths of your players, instead of forcing your players to conform to your egomaniacle schemes. There's plenty of talent on offense, even Brunell was servicable, so why not put them in a position to succeed?

[helimech24]

It's a combination of things, but I take issue with the way Saunders has designed his offense. You design your playbook around the strengths of your players, instead of forcing your players to conform to your egomaniacle schemes. There's plenty of talent on offense, even Brunell was servicable, so why not put them in a position to succeed?I am total agreence with you. How is that Portis went from being a real treat on the ground, to nothing this year. I know he has had some injuries, but he had a bad shoulder last year and that did not stop him from running all over everyone. Wish we would have kept it the same way as last year with an upgrade of WR. Though some of the blame has to go Brunell for totally ignoring Brandon Lloyd most of the season.

[shally]

It's a combination of things, but I take issue with the way Saunders has designed his offense. You design your playbook around the strengths of your players, instead of forcing your players to conform to your egomaniacle schemes. There's plenty of talent on offense, even Brunell was servicable, so why not put them in a position to succeed?

now that i do not have brunell to complain about, my focus will be on saunders for the rest of the season..

[shally]

I am total agreence with you. How is that Portis went from being a real treat on the ground, to nothing this year. I know he has had some injuries, but he had a bad shoulder last year and that did not stop him from running all over everyone. Wish we would have kept it the same way as last year with an upgrade of WR. Though some of the blame has to go Brunell for totally ignoring Brandon Lloyd most of the season.

saunders was a huge mistake.. he is brian billick redux.. arrogant and stubborn and inflexible.. he has gotten less out of the offensive players
than he should have given the additions to the offense he has had to work with.. not adaptable at all..

[bergiemoore]

saunders was a huge mistake.. he is brian billick redux.. arrogant and stubborn and inflexible.. he has gotten less out of the offensive players
than he should have given the additions to the offense he has had to work with.. not adaptable at all..

I'm reserving judgment until I see how Campbell plays under Saunders.

[shally]

I'm reserving judgment until I see how Campbell plays under Saunders.

you might have a valid point... i still think saunders was a mistake, and he has been very skimpy in any praise of JC.. but, as you said, let's see what happens

[silverspring]

saunders was a huge mistake.. he is brian billick redux.. arrogant and stubborn and inflexible.. he has gotten less out of the offensive players
than he should have given the additions to the offense he has had to work with.. not adaptable at all..

i don't necessarily think he is a huge mistake, maybe it is the problem of how he was implemented as in it is his system but he is sharing control with gibbs. I do agree with the problems you highlight. Saunders needs to be more flexible and customize his system to the talent we have.

[shally]

i don't necessarily think he is a huge mistake, maybe it is the problem of how he was implemented as in it is his system but he is sharing control with gibbs. I do agree with the problems you highlight. Saunders needs to be more flexible and customize his system to the talent we have.

he knew what he was going to have to work with from summer on.. it has been one lame excuse after another..

[Dolla Bill]

he knew what he was going to have to work with from summer on.. it has been one lame excuse after another..


I think it just is bad karma from the get go. Portis' injury, Moss' injury, Archuletta being a bust, on and on. Saunders has not adapted to what he has to work with.

[bergiemoore]

I think it just is bad karma from the get go. Portis' injury, Moss' injury, Archuletta being a bust, on and on. Saunders has not adapted to what he has to work with.

QB is a crucial role in any offense, and perhaps more so in Saunders. Perhaps JC makes a difference.

Back on topic, though, Saunders has had nothing but nice things to say about Betts. I got the impression that Saunders was a little frustrated with the way Portis would pull himself out of the offense. I think a majority of that was due to the incessant nicks and bumps Portis suffered throughout the season. I don't think that Betts will be coming off the field nearly as much, considering that he's playing for a job, this year, and will likely take advantage of every opportunity. Same goes for Duckett.

[danny's stogie]

I am total agreence with you. How is that Portis went from being a real treat on the ground, to nothing this year. I know he has had some injuries, but he had a bad shoulder last year and that did not stop him from running all over everyone. Wish we would have kept it the same way as last year with an upgrade of WR. Though some of the blame has to go Brunell for totally ignoring Brandon Lloyd most of the season.

Agree. My thing with the Brunell situation is that he is not and has never been a sit-in-the-pocket timing QB. He's really good at bootlegging and moving the pocket. Why stick a 6'0" QB behind a 6'6" Oline and expect him to throw timing routes to midget receivers? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[redskin_rich]

Agree. My thing with the Brunell situation is that he is not and has never been a sit-in-the-pocket timing QB. He's really good at bootlegging and moving the pocket. Why stick a 6'0" QB behind a 6'6" Oline and expect him to throw timing routes to midget receivers? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
Hence the multitude of screens and hitches. Read my sig, I expect to see more downfield passing now.

[danny's stogie]

Hence the multitude of screens and hitches. Read my sig, I expect to see more downfield passing now.

Agree. Unfortunately Brunell gets tagged as a QB that can't get the ball downfield. Umm...yes he can, but 75% of them last season were off a bootleg.

[redskin_rich]

Agree. Unfortunately Brunell gets tagged as a QB that can't get the ball downfield. Umm...yes he can, but 75% of them last season were off a bootleg.
Brunell never had the strongest arm but he could throw a good deep ball when perfectly healthy, like most of last year. He hasn't been healthy this year and thus has struggled with his accuracy on deeper throws, often overthrowing them. It has been very similar to his '04 season except that his numbers have been better, due to better personnel and a better scheme.

[shally]

Brunell never had the strongest arm but he could throw a good deep ball when perfectly healthy, like most of last year. He hasn't been healthy this year and thus has struggled with his accuracy on deeper throws, often overthrowing them. It has been very similar to his '04 season except that his numbers have been better, due to better personnel and a better scheme.

i also think he was throwing the ball in anticipation of a pass rush in philly after he got blitzed a few times. he seemed to be unloading it too soon..

[SkinsfaninNJ]

i also think he was throwing the ball in anticipation of a pass rush in philly after he got blitzed a few times. he seemed to be unloading it too soon..
I agree and also escaping the pocket before he had to which affected his throws downfield.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i think to call al saunders abust this quickly is abit premature. i'll reserve judgement for this first year.

btw-portis on comcastsaid that his he was told he will be out 4-6 weeks. thats different than just the one month we were hearing. makes more since now.

[danny's stogie]

i think to call al saunders abust this quickly is abit premature. i'll reserved judgement for this first year.

btw-portis on comcastsaid that his he was told he will be out 4-6 weeks. thats different than just the one month we were hearing. makes more since now.

I don't think Saunders is a bust I just think he needs to adjust his philosophy to suit his personel.

[redwolf1218]

Is trying another backup TE or second TE really going to destroy the structure of our offense? Fauria is a role player not a playmaker.
i think Fauria was supposed to be the blocking TE that Gibbs has been looking for ever since he got here, but he's only 250 on a 6'-4 frame. he's old, not a good blocker, and not a good pass catcher. he never did catch a lot of passes, and he's not big enough to take on rushers. he's not even as big as Cooley, Sellers or even Duckett for that matter.

Buck Ortega is a pass catcher type TE. we already have that with Cooley. I think Fauria was just another mistake along the lines of Rasby and Koz. Gibbs is still searching for a Don Warren type blocking TE.

edit: i just saw on redskins.com where they brought Kozlowski back. great.

[DoGood]

I must say, I am almost as excited to see Betts and Duckett get extensive playing time than I am to see Jason Campbell finally in the game. Call me crazy...:)

I've always liked Ladell.

[WarEagle]

I must say, I am almost as excited to see Betts and Duckett get extensive playing time than I am to see Jason Campbell finally in the game. Call me crazy...:)

I've always liked Ladell.

You and me both.

[DoGood]

You and me both.

That's good to hear. Betts has been having a nifty little season with Portis coming out of the game so often. It's unbelievable the amount of plays he ran last year compared to this one. He really blew it with that tackle in Cincy. It all went downhill after that.

Actually, now that I think about it, that one play could be the ultimate catalyst in our plummet from SuperBowl hopeful to sub San Francisco 49ners. I don't think we ever recovered from that blow and it really threw us off. Damn you Portis.

(Your still my favorite player:) )

[SkinsfaninNJ]

That's good to hear. Betts has been having a nifty little season with Portis coming out of the game so often. It's unbelievable the amount of plays he ran last year compared to this one. He really blew it with that tackle in Cincy. It all went downhill after that.

Actually, now that I think about it, that one play could be the ultimate catalyst in our plummet from SuperBowl hopeful to sub San Francisco 49ners. I don't think we ever recovered from that blow and it really threw us off. Damn you Portis.

(Your still my favorite player:) )
Blame Brunell. He threw the INT.
j/k - fluke play

[shally]

Blame Brunell. He threw the INT.
j/k - fluke play

preseason.. foolish play by portis.. he should have let it go..

[silverspring]

Brunell never had the strongest arm but he could throw a good deep ball when perfectly healthy, like most of last year. He hasn't been healthy this year and thus has struggled with his accuracy on deeper throws, often overthrowing them. It has been very similar to his '04 season except that his numbers have been better, due to better personnel and a better scheme.

I think we are getting off topic but where do you get that he hasn't been healthy? In 2004 everyone gave the excuse that brunell wasn't healthy either, yet no injury was ever listed on the report except for the one week he tweaked his hammy. I said it 2 years ago and I will say it now, if he was truly having health problems that were affecting his performance, then he was hurting this team by hiding them. And you can't honestly think the coaches would possible be playing him if he has a significant problem that really affects his game. Brunell struggled this year cause he has a weak arm, he couldn't figure out the timing on saunders offense and he is more focused on not making a big mistake rather than winning. He is just old, and hence slower and weaker thats all, call that health I call it reality when you sign a 34 year old free agent. I don't even know why we are still talking about brunell, the only future he has with the redskins is maybe a coaching opportunity which i would certainly be ok with cause he is so supersmart.

[redwolf1218]

well i was way off on this one. i swore up and down that they would not put him on IR. i hope he gets everything fixed and comes back refreshed and better than ever next year.

[redskin_rich]

I think we are getting off topic but where do you get that he hasn't been healthy? In 2004 everyone gave the excuse that brunell wasn't healthy either, yet no injury was ever listed on the report except for the one week he tweaked his hammy. I said it 2 years ago and I will say it now, if he was truly having health problems that were affecting his performance, then he was hurting this team by hiding them. And you can't honestly think the coaches would possible be playing him if he has a significant problem that really affects his game. Brunell struggled this year cause he has a weak arm, he couldn't figure out the timing on saunders offense and he is more focused on not making a big mistake rather than winning. He is just old, and hence slower and weaker thats all, call that health I call it reality when you sign a 34 year old free agent. I don't even know why we are still talking about brunell, the only future he has with the redskins is maybe a coaching opportunity which i would certainly be ok with cause he is so supersmart.
Going back to last December, he injured his knee in the Giants game. Over the summer, he broke his finger and couldn't participate in some of the minicamps. He suffered the gash in his elbow in the Houston game. He injured his ribs in the Colts game. These were all reported and there very likely could have been more that hasn't been reported.

[redwolf1218]

Going back to last December, he injured his knee in the Giants game. Over the summer, he broke his finger and couldn't participate in some of the minicamps. He suffered the gash in his elbow in the Houston game. He injured his ribs in the Colts game. These were all reported and there very likely could have been more that hasn't been reported.
i think he also had groin and hamstring injuires.

wasnt it a gash on the elbow that got him benched in Jax and led to the eventual takeover by Leftwich?

Brunell has had plenty of nagging injuries, and with each one, his performance drops off dramatically. when he's totally healthy, he can be pretty good. the slightest hitch in his giddyup seems to really knock him for a loop though.

[silverspring]

Going back to last December, he injured his knee in the Giants game. Over the summer, he broke his finger and couldn't participate in some of the minicamps. He suffered the gash in his elbow in the Houston game. He injured his ribs in the Colts game. These were all reported and there very likely could have been more that hasn't been reported.

Yeah he broke his finger, but i believe he fully participated in all of training camp. No excuse. Yes he got a cut on his elbow and repeatedly told the press it is not affecting his game, i tend to take his word. It was reportedely just a cut and they were just worried about it getting infected. No excuse. He also said the rib thing was no big deal. And lets not forget he also got a toe nail torn off. Again he said this didn't affect him, but just hurt at the time. These aren't excuses for his play. Every player out there gets a couple bumps and bruises every game those aren't injuries, just boo-boos.
You are right about the giants thing. He was horrible after tweaking his knee and really hurt our playoff chances. I again would say he pretends it isn't as bad as it was and hurts the team. I never understand why gibbs let him play when he was obviously tainted goods. Maybe gibbs is fully aware of these things and chooses to keep them secretm but i can't see why you play someone at such an important role when their game is affected by injury.

This does connect to the whole portis thing. I kind of assumed the shoulder was ok at this point, finding out he is scheduled for surgery is big news in my opinion. I would assume that the staff has seen reality and given up on the season and instead is looking towards next season after the last loss and that spurred the cambell change and portis going to ir so he could get surgery now. If we won last game i guarantee portis would not be on ir right now. I think it is the smart thing, we need to be realistic and I am glad the coaches are starting to think about the future of our team.

[shally]

i think he also had groin and hamstring injuires.

wasnt it a gash on the elbow that got him benched in Jax and led to the eventual takeover by Leftwich?

Brunell has had plenty of nagging injuries, and with each one, his performance drops off dramatically. when he's totally healthy, he can be pretty good. the slightest hitch in his giddyup seems to really knock him for a loop though.

anything that hurts his legs alters his throwing... he has gotten older and more brittle with each season

[meloveskinslongtime]

Yeah he broke his finger, but i believe he fully participated in all of training camp. No excuse. Yes he got a cut on his elbow and repeatedly told the press it is not affecting his game, i tend to take his word. It was reportedely just a cut and they were just worried about it getting infected. No excuse. He also said the rib thing was no big deal. And lets not forget he also got a toe nail torn off. Again he said this didn't affect him, but just hurt at the time. These aren't excuses for his play. Every player out there gets a couple bumps and bruises every game those aren't injuries, just boo-boos.
You are right about the giants thing. He was horrible after tweaking his knee and really hurt our playoff chances. I again would say he pretends it isn't as bad as it was and hurts the team. I never understand why gibbs let him play when he was obviously tainted goods. Maybe gibbs is fully aware of these things and chooses to keep them secretm but i can't see why you play someone at such an important role when their game is affected by injury.

This does connect to the whole portis thing. I kind of assumed the shoulder was ok at this point, finding out he is scheduled for surgery is big news in my opinion. I would assume that the staff has seen reality and given up on the season and instead is looking towards next season after the last loss and that spurred the cambell change and portis going to ir so he could get surgery now. If we won last game i guarantee portis would not be on ir right now. I think it is the smart thing, we need to be realistic and I am glad the coaches are starting to think about the future of our team.


must agree here. plus can you imagine how hungry portis is going to be next year?

[Fathead]

It was known as soon as the words subfluxing shoulder were announced that Portis was due for surgery in the offseason.