Quick O-Line Question . . .

[SkinsGuru]

How much better does the O-Line look with Jason Campbell starting??

I feel with his mobility and having Samuels to block the blind side the O-Line will look a lot better . . . kind of like Homo did for the Cowboys' o-line . . .

[dj_stouty]

I don't think Campbell has the best footwork, but we will see...

If anything, the young QB will take more sacks than Brunell did, meaning the O-line could potentially look worse on paper.

[redskin_rich]

I don't know about immediately but if Campbell can get accustomed to a timing offense, the O-Line will look better. I don't think Brunell was a good fit for this system and it carried over to everyone on the offense.

[smoak]

Brunell was really good at feeling the rush and buying time outside the tackles.... I say we look worse with JC for awhile.

[BostonSkins]

Interestingly enough, our O-line has currently allowed the 4th fewest sacks in the NFL. Now, you can argue that it is a product of the current dink and dunk system, but they haven't played that bad.

[SkinsGuru]

Brunell was really good at feeling the rush and buying time outside the tackles.... I say we look worse with JC for awhile.

I don't agree . . . Brunell took off scared way to early and then he was slow when he did . . .

[dj_stouty]

Interestingly enough, our O-line has currently allowed the 4th fewest sacks in the NFL. Now, you can argue that it is a product of the current dink and dunk system, but they haven't played that bad.

I think that is more indicative of Brunell throwing the ball out of bounds than the O-line excelling at protection.

[PennSkinsFan]

Brunell was really good at feeling the rush and buying time outside the tackles.... I say we look worse with JC for awhile.

Only problem with feeling the rush, especially last game, Brunell threw way too many balls away in situations he had alot more time. I agree with Phil Simms, JC is pretty mobile, quick, and has a good sense int he pocket, he is a better fit. From the quotes of Randy Thomas, it seems like this Line is fired up to get JC his first NFL win.

[shally]

How much better does the O-Line look with Jason Campbell starting??

I feel with his mobility and having Samuels to block the blind side the O-Line will look a lot better . . . kind of like Homo did for the Cowboys' o-line . . .

should happen for 2 reasons... the excitement of a new qb and the need to protect him.. plus, he might make them look better than they are because he will turn broken plays into positive yardage

[smoak]

Only problem with feeling the rush, especially last game, Brunell threw way too many balls away in situations he had alot more time. I agree with Phil Simms, JC is pretty mobile, quick, and has a good sense int he pocket, he is a better fit. From the quotes of Randy Thomas, it seems like this Line is fired up to get JC his first NFL win.

Great! I hope I am wrong, but I think JC will struggle a little reading defenses and it will make the line look worse. Brunell made the line look better as evidenced by how few sacks they have allowed, but in reality they haven't played well. Whether or not MB throws it away too frequently isn't the issue.... He does get out of the pocket and prevent sacks when things break down. It'll be interesting to see iff JC can buy time and make good decisions.

And not to be critical, but if the line needs a QB change to play well, they should be replaced. I understand Randy's point and I hope they are fired up, but at this point talk is cheap. We need to ring someone's bell.

And how would Phil Simms know anything about JC???

[PennSkinsFan]

Great! I hope I am wrong, but I think JC will struggle a little reading defenses and it will make the line look worse. Brunell made the line look better as evidenced by how few sacks they have allowed, but in reality they haven't played well. Whether or not MB throws it away too frequently isn't the issue.... He does get out of the pocket and prevent sacks when things break down. It'll be interesting to see iff JC can buy time and make good decisions.

Agreed. Reading defenses is they key to any QB in the NFL. You can have a great arm, nice speed, but if you can not read defenses, it will lead to failure. It is an art and a science that is a must to learn and it will be nice to see, week to week, how he progresses in that. Do i expect him to read well this Sunday? Nope. I expect to see steady progress, which is the one thing we never saw in Ramsey. Ramsey never got the grasp of reading defenses.

[smoak]

Agreed. Reading defenses is they key to any QB in the NFL. You can have a great arm, nice speed, but if you can not read defenses, it will lead to failure. It is an art and a science that is a must to learn and it will be nice to see, week to week, how he progresses in that. Do i expect him to read well this Sunday? Nope. I expect to see steady progress, which is the one thing we never saw in Ramsey. Ramsey never got the grasp of reading defenses.

I agree, but don't know that I'd say PRam NEVER got it.... He seemed to start out ok and regress. people act like Ramsey never had a good game here. I justy think he never adjusted to what Joe Gibbs wanted him to do. JC, from what I have heard, is perfect for a ball control offense that wants to stretch the field in key situations. Brunell had trouble with the latter part at times, but I hope the play calling is set up to help Campbell succeed. The key (IMO) is to pick and choose your spots to go deep and give the guy a safety valve.

[Farmer Ted]

Interestingly enough, our O-line has currently allowed the 4th fewest sacks in the NFL. Now, you can argue that it is a product of the current dink and dunk system, but they haven't played that bad.

It is kind of weird. It seems like there were a bunch of games (1st Dallas game, maybe the Giants) where Brunell was getting sacked repeatedly. But he was only sacked 12 times, which isn't bad. Compare that to Andrew Walter, who's been sacked 40X already! Heck, even Carson Palmer and Roethlisberger have been sacked 25X this year. But as others have mentioned, the low sack total has a lot to do with Brunell throwing the ball away. He's also been called for grounding a few times.

[joethefan]

the problem is that now you almost have to have a mobile QB in order to survive. The reason why I say that is because these DLineman are now running 4.7's - 5.0's which are pretty quick. The linbackers are running 4.4's and 4.5's teams need qb's with mobility.

[WRSK1NS]

I am hoping they will give JC some designed roll outs to the right and/or left so that he is not expected to just stand back there and be a statue....

So IMO I think the O line will look better....

[Green-Is-Good]

the problem is that now you almost have to have a mobile QB in order to survive. The reason why I say that is because these DLineman are now running 4.7's - 5.0's which are pretty quick. The linbackers are running 4.4's and 4.5's teams need qb's with mobility.

According to Clayton you are wrong lol
He says the Girls should have stuck with Bledsoe :lol1:

[Red Bear]

remember, our oline and entire offense and even other teams defenses need to adjust to us having a right handed QB now instead of a lefty

[smoak]

According to Clayton you are wrong lol
He says the Girls should have stuck with Bledsoe :lol1:

Blesoe is immobile, but he fails b/c he makes dumb decisions. It has little to do with his lack of mobility.

[danny's stogie]

Blesoe is immobile, but he fails b/c he makes dumb decisions. It has little to do with his lack of mobility.

...and he's slow to make decisions and has a slow release. Most of the league's top QBs currently are immobile, but get rid of the ball quickly and decisively.

[wide_awake]

Personally I would rather Campbell hang in the pocket and take more sacks than always run toward the sidelines. I only want to see him getting outside the pocket on designed bootlegs or if the defense gets immediate penetration and the play is doomed from the start. Hang in the pocket and trust your o-line, and keep looking down field. Few QB's can escape pressure only using their peripheral vision while only looking down field. If he can do that by all means break the play down and run towards the sidelines, but i doubt it. I'd imagine he'll have his best success stepping up in the pocket.

[Dolla Bill]

Disagree with mobility. Manning and Brady are not the fleetest of feet, but they are the game's best. They read defenses, and make quick decisions with the ball. They don't hesitate.

[becky]

It is kind of weird. It seems like there were a bunch of games (1st Dallas game, maybe the Giants) where Brunell was getting sacked repeatedly. But he was only sacked 12 times, which isn't bad. Compare that to Andrew Walter, who's been sacked 40X already! Heck, even Carson Palmer and Roethlisberger have been sacked 25X this year. But as others have mentioned, the low sack total has a lot to do with Brunell throwing the ball away. He's also been called for grounding a few times.


Lets stick to comparisons with actual professional teams, ok? ;)

Just kidding, making fun of the Raiders never gets old.

Regardless of who is behind center, our offensive line is clearly having a down year and needs to step up. I wonder if Dock is the weak link and the other 3 are simply looking bad because they are trying to make up for him? But then again Jansen hasn't looked great at times either. I don't think they will look significantly better or worse with JC in there, because hopefully JC's mobility will bail him out some, even though he will make more mistakes than Brunell. Especially in the Philly game, Brunell really seemed to be hearing footsteps, even when he had more time to throw.

[bgforever]

I don't think Campbell has the best footwork, but we will see...

If anything, the young QB will take more sacks than Brunell did, meaning the O-line could potentially look worse on paper.

I have this as well, in the learning department. He is elusive and can run, but he is quicker at throwing it. The thing to watch for is, will he be smarter in throwing it away, when it is obvious running is a nightmare on a given play.

[Oregonian]

Interestingly enough, our O-line has currently allowed the 4th fewest sacks in the NFL. Now, you can argue that it is a product of the current dink and dunk system, but they haven't played that bad.
I would definitely argue that O line shortcomings are being covered up by playcalling and by Brunell's savvy, which includes getting rid of the ball early and often when necessary.

If you have recorded any of the games so far, go back and watch on passing plays in particular. First watch what Samuels does, rewind and watch Jansen, then rewind and watch the interior. Watch how quickly either or both tackles get beat on most plays. Also notice how close to Brunell the pressure is at the time he releases the ball, unless the play is a short drop/short pattern play.

This is what I do for almost every game. This is why I have been a Brunell supporter throughout the season. And this is why I think J Campbell may have some very long days ahead of him.

[hail2skins]

I believe you all are assuming that Gibbs won't temper Campbell like he did Brunell in terms of playing it safe. That's a huge assumption. Hopefully he won't do it because we need to see what the kid is made of but I don't expect Gibbs will allow him to be a gunslinger.

[dj_stouty]

I believe you all are assuming that Gibbs won't temper Campbell like he did Brunell in terms of playing it safe. That's a huge assumption. Hopefully he won't do it because we need to see what the kid is made of but I don't expect Gibbs will allow him to be a gunslinger.

:goodpost:

I agree. I think Gibbs will demand smart play from Campbell just like he did from Brunell. Gibbs didn't personally scout, trade up, and draft Campbell to play like Ramsey. Don't be surprised if Campbell plays it safe per coach's orders. That will be a major test for JC, but one he should be able to do. Gibbs hand picked him for a reason.

[bergiemoore]

:goodpost:

I agree. I think Gibbs will demand smart play from Campbell just like he did from Brunell. Gibbs didn't personally scout, trade up, and draft Campbell to play like Ramsey. Don't be surprised if Campbell plays it safe per coach's orders. That will be a major test for JC, but one he should be able to do. Gibbs hand picked him for a reason.

Does Campbell have a reputation for being a gunslinger, a la Ramsey? I looked at his stats for 2003 and 2004.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 181 293 2267 61.8 7.74 68 10 8 25 132.57
2004 188 270 2700 69.6 10.00 87 20 7 13 172.89

Looks like a safe QB already, but I never watched him play, so this is just me speculating.

[thickskin]

i'm more interested to see what jc does with his feet to help the line out. this is the only part of his game that i really trust. i think he's a little faster than mcnabb, though maybe not as shifty, but he's got a few inches on him, which could help in finding the open man in the middle of a backfield scramble. more importantly, he doesn't have the mentality to start tucking and running too often like vick. i really don't get all the talk of the offense getting vertical now that campbell's in. i be the line does well in pass protect, but i expect jc'll play it safe just like brunell, the differences being that jc will maybe misread something and throw some obvious picks but will also make some plays with his feet. bc i doubt he'll throw it up when he gets caught in the backfield, he'll take some sacks too

[SkinsGuru]

had another quick thought on this . . . do you think that not having Portis and his blocking ability influenced Gibbs' decision to start a more mobile Jason Campbell ? ? ?

[dj_stouty]

Does Campbell have a reputation for being a gunslinger, a la Ramsey? I looked at his stats for 2003 and 2004.


YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 181 293 2267 61.8 7.74 68 10 8 25 132.57
2004 188 270 2700 69.6 10.00 87 20 7 13 172.89


Looks like a safe QB already, but I never watched him play, so this is just me speculating.

I quoted your stats in "code" so they are easier to read.

Don't forget that Campbell had a stud-duo of RBs in '04. Defenses were keying in on those guys which probably allowed Campbell to be accurate and get sacked less. Again, another reason why I'm upset Portis wont' be playing during Campbell's first start.

[shally]

:goodpost:

I agree. I think Gibbs will demand smart play from Campbell just like he did from Brunell. Gibbs didn't personally scout, trade up, and draft Campbell to play like Ramsey. Don't be surprised if Campbell plays it safe per coach's orders. That will be a major test for JC, but one he should be able to do. Gibbs hand picked him for a reason.

the question will remain what JC does when plays break down...

[CowboyKilla]

They have underachieved all season. They have been sleepwalking.

[GB Skin OT]

If a quarterback doesn't have confidence in the guys in front of him he will either force the ball or take off too early both of which can be a recipe for disaster.

I'd take Jansen over Samuels every day of the week.Samuels is a decent player but not great,and as someone else said here both of our tackles including Jansen get beaten one on one too often.

And remember,Samuels is now the blind side tackle for Campbell,probably the most crucial position on the line (ha ha I'm biased cos thats where I play).Seriously though as we didn't get the Bucs game over here and probably won't see them again this year due to their woeful record i'd be interested to hear how Campbell and the O line work together ?

Cheers