POST article, about portis and shoulder

[greatest2]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/18/AR2006111801172_2.html

theres the link. ONe, why are team officials goin against gibbs with some of there comments? do they think that helps the team? I think coach made the right decision, based on the information he is given. (length of time portis was supposed to be out, and how portis practiced.) also, how can you say portis didn't try in camp and stuff when he missed time in preseason with injury, could do fitness things (running without arms is hard), also, i hadn't heard a change from last year to this year in what portis did in the offseason, and he set a franchise record last year.

I believe this article is a load of bull, and its only printed to create something in the organization or fans, why does the post work against us????

[akhhorus]

I don't think Post works against the skins, but its clear who the source is for this article: Gibbs. He was upset at Portis and this is a message that he needs to fall back into line a bit. A lot of this article is smoke however and can be quickly denied.

[redskin_rich]

More piling on. I will say this, Gibbs has failed at communicating a team theme among everybody this season. Too many players, coaches, reporters, waterboys, delusional actors, fans, 14th street hookers and local politicians have said different and contradicting things. There are a lot of things that need to be shored up but the first and most important thing is team unity. Gibbs needs to be sure that everybody is towing the company line or schism will rot this team from the inside out.

[Skins7ny]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/18/AR2006111801172_2.html

theres the link. ONe, why are team officials goin against gibbs with some of there comments? do they think that helps the team? I think coach made the right decision, based on the information he is given. (length of time portis was supposed to be out, and how portis practiced.) also, how can you say portis didn't try in camp and stuff when he missed time in preseason with injury, could do fitness things (running without arms is hard), also, i hadn't heard a change from last year to this year in what portis did in the offseason, and he set a franchise record last year.

I believe this article is a load of bull, and its only printed to create something in the organization or fans, why does the post work against us????

(1) It is not the job of the Washington Post or any other media outlet to help the Skins. It is the job of the beat reporters to gather information on the team and to report what they know. It is the job of the Post's opinion columnists to opine about the team in a knowledgeable manner. I think in the past the Post has been very easy on the Skins, much less so than the Washington Times. In the early days of Snyder's tenure, the Post served as his mouthpiece and were hardly ever critical of the team, even when clearly warranted. Their bear reporter merely reported every press release from Redskins Park as if it were the absolute truth. The last couple of years, as their relationship with the team soured, they have been more critical.

In the end, the Post and any other public media outlet is supposed to serve as the eyes and ears of the fans, and give us as much information as possible in order to make our opinions on the team, good or bad, as educated as possible. In the end, passionate and knowledgeable fans armed with correct information from news reporters asking the questions that we ourselves are not empowered to ask, are able to better hold the team accountable for its successes and its failures. That serves everyone's interests, ours and the team.

(2) Whoever this "member of the organization" quoted in the Post article is, he should be fired. Unless he was the owner. Especially if he was the owner.

[shally]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/18/AR2006111801172_2.html

theres the link. ONe, why are team officials goin against gibbs with some of there comments? do they think that helps the team? I think coach made the right decision, based on the information he is given. (length of time portis was supposed to be out, and how portis practiced.) also, how can you say portis didn't try in camp and stuff when he missed time in preseason with injury, could do fitness things (running without arms is hard), also, i hadn't heard a change from last year to this year in what portis did in the offseason, and he set a franchise record last year.

I believe this article is a load of bull, and its only printed to create something in the organization or fans, why does the post work against us????

i said when the injury happened that it would likely be a season ender at some point.. and that surgery would be needed to correct the situation.. nothing that happened since the injury ever changed my mind..

it really does not matter whether portis rested.. it does not matter if he rehabbed... it did not matter that perhaps he wasn't in the best shape of his career... that was the type of injury he had

what will matter is if there is ultimately bad blood between portis and the coaching staff over the way things were handled... that could poison things
and i hope it does not end up that way.

[WarEagle]

(2) Whoever this "member of the organization" quoted in the Post article is, he should be fired. Unless he was the owner. Especially if he was the owner.

The journalist wrote that several members of the organization questioned the decision to play Portis, not just one. Do you want a purge of the organization? Do we start with management or coaching staff?

The article in the Post supports what I've said about Portis all along. He's a bad fit with the Redskins, and should be unloaded. I'll be interested to see how the team plays without this guy in the mix.

[ryflan47]

i said when the injury happened that it would likely be a season ender at some point.. and that surgery would be needed to correct the situation.. nothing that happened since the injury ever changed my mind..

it really does not matter whether portis rested.. it does not matter if he rehabbed... it did not matter that perhaps he wasn't in the best shape of his career... that was the type of injury he had

what will matter is if there is ultimately bad blood between portis and the coaching staff over the way things were handled... that could poison things
and i hope it does not end up that way.

If this ends up like the whole LLH crap, I'll be pissed. Portis is actually a very good person along with being a good player.

[shally]

The journalist wrote that several members of the organization questioned the decision to play Portis, not just one. Do you want a purge of the organization? Do we start with management or coaching staff?

The article in the Post supports what I've said about Portis all along. He's a bad fit with the Redskins, and should be unloaded. I'll be interested to see how the team plays without this guy in the mix.

i do not think he is a bad fit per se... but he has been vocal about the blocking schemes not being the best for him.. you would think that saunders could have figured out how to use him better for 2 million dollars per year..

this is a coaching miscue because portis runs hard and never takes a play off

[shally]

If this ends up like the whole LLH crap, I'll be pissed. Portis is actually a very good person along with being a good player.

that is exactly what worries me.. it could poison the locker room..

[redskin_rich]

i said when the injury happened that it would likely be a season ender at some point.. and that surgery would be needed to correct the situation.. nothing that happened since the injury ever changed my mind..

it really does not matter whether portis rested.. it does not matter if he rehabbed... it did not matter that perhaps he wasn't in the best shape of his career... that was the type of injury he had

what will matter is if there is ultimately bad blood between portis and the coaching staff over the way things were handled... that could poison things
and i hope it does not end up that way.
I also said that this would bother him throughout the season, though I didn't think he would need surgery. I also pointed out, numerous times, that a week or two of rest would not make the pain go away. I don't know what surgical procedure Portis is going to have but I don't agree with him having it. I think that surgery should only be done as a last resort, when there is an incorrectable problem. I don't see this as the case. Having surgery is equal to taking another injury. It is yet, more denigration of the tissue, tendon and joint to achieve a quicker functioning and rehab of the joint. I believe this will be Clinton's 2nd shoulder surgery. Hopefully, it will be his last. He is only 25 and can still recover 100% from these setbacks and continue to be one of the best.
Nothing else matters, Portis loves to hear himself talk. He will always be a lightning rod and as long as he produces, that will be fine. The moment he shows signs of being washed up, he will get no quarter from most and be tossed by the wayside. Not that I agree, necessarily but that is what happens to loudmouths.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If our coaching staff manages to screw things up with what is, along with Santana Moss, by FAR our best offensive player (actually not only offensive), then they should get a medal or something. Unless he starts going crazy or acting like TO, which he absolutely has not so far, then we have to find a way to make things work with him. You know how Gibbs always says that he would hate to think where we would be without our guys we got from free agency? Well, I would really hate to think where we would be withour having had Clinton Portis these past 3 years. He has gained more than 1300 yards running into brick walls one year, and broken our rushing record and almost singlehandedly brought us into the playoffs the year after (while playing injured).

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i do not think he is a bad fit per se... but he has been vocal about the blocking schemes not being the best for him.. you would think that saunders could have figured out how to use him better for 2 million dollars per year..

this is a coaching miscue because portis runs hard and never takes a play off
He actually could have figured out how to use many players better for that kind of money...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The journalist wrote that several members of the organization questioned the decision to play Portis, not just one. Do you want a purge of the organization? Do we start with management or coaching staff?

The article in the Post supports what I've said about Portis all along. He's a bad fit with the Redskins, and should be unloaded. I'll be interested to see how the team plays without this guy in the mix.
You already know the answer to that question. We are 1-6 so far this year in games he has rushed less than 20 times, and 2-0 in the games he has rushed for more than 20 times. And in that sole victory, he had more than 160 of total offense.

[BurgundyNGold]

This article is beyond stupid. I love Portis, but no way is he that important that we were 3-6 solely because of his shoulder. The 30th ranked defense has a helluva lot more to do with that 3-6 mark.

[whitskins]

I don't understand the controvsery with this article. The guy got hurt, he wanted to play, his coach played him, he got hurt again, he's out for the year. An anonymous source in the organization says "I wouldn't have played him."

I don't see what exactly is going to poison the locker room and I definitely don't see why this proves Portis should be unloaded.

[hail2skins]

The journalist wrote that several members of the organization questioned the decision to play Portis, not just one. Do you want a purge of the organization? Do we start with management or coaching staff?

The article in the Post supports what I've said about Portis all along. He's a bad fit with the Redskins, and should be unloaded. I'll be interested to see how the team plays without this guy in the mix.I think it's going to far saying he isn't a good fit here. Portis fitted in nicely last season don't you agree. He doesn't like or have accepted his role with Saunders' offense. Is that because he doesn't like it or he hasn't had enough practice in it because of the injury.

[hail2skins]

I don't understand the controvsery with this article. The guy got hurt, he wanted to play, his coach played him, he got hurt again, he's out for the year. An anonymous source in the organization says "I wouldn't have played him."

I don't see what exactly is going to poison the locker room and I definitely don't see why this proves Portis should be unloaded.It needed some drama. LOL

[hail2skins]

I don't think Post works against the skins, but its clear who the source is for this article: Gibbs. He was upset at Portis and this is a message that he needs to fall back into line a bit. A lot of this article is smoke however and can be quickly denied.Hmm, I didn't get that. What makes you think this? I believe Gibbs would go to Portis as opposed to using the media to get his point across.

[helimech24]

The journalist wrote that several members of the organization questioned the decision to play Portis, not just one. Do you want a purge of the organization? Do we start with management or coaching staff?

The article in the Post supports what I've said about Portis all along. He's a bad fit with the Redskins, and should be unloaded. I'll be interested to see how the team plays without this guy in the mix.Portis fit in the system last year when we rode him into the playoffs. So what has changed in the year? Al Saunders! Instead of calling or designing plays to fit his players, he tried to force his system on his players. You can't do that within one year and expect to make the playoffs. It works, but only if your are starting over with your team. We were a playoff team last year, so the Skins were doing something right, we just didn't have the passing game. I blame Saunders for offensive woes and Gibbs/Snyder for hiring him.

[rusty73]

This article is beyond stupid. I love Portis, but no way is he that important that we were 3-6 solely because of his shoulder. The 30th ranked defense has a helluva lot more to do with that 3-6 mark.
Agree wholeheartedly, On a team where so much has gone wrong it is totally STUPID to blame any one player, be Portis or Brunnell or any single individual. It's not called a TEAM sport for nothing!!!:sfight: Oh I don't know if I missed it but is there a WIN thread this week?

[akhhorus]

Hmm, I didn't get that. What makes you think this? I believe Gibbs would go to Portis as opposed to using the media to get his point across.

Some of the anecdotes and divinations in the article had to be leaked by Gibbs or Gibbs' shadow(or someone so close to Gibbs it would be immediately obvious who it was). I think Gibbs has gone to Portis and this is reinforcement of the point. There's nothing in the article that could permanently damage the relationship between the two imo, but there is a message in this.

[LATrueRedskin]

This article was kind of meaningless to me. There was no real substance there. Maybe because we discuss it here on hR as it happens instead of in hindsight when it doesn't really matter.

[CowboyKilla]

Really don't like the slant of this article..

Hope CP stays positive.