Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?

[gibbs!we!trust!]

Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?

If he can't still see that Campbell is the better of the QBs than he is a poor judge of talent.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?:Peace:How so?

[DoGood]

Please elaborate.

[Biggie]

I got that impression from his press conference, but I think that's because he's so loyal to Brunell. Hopefully Campbell can win him over.

[LATrueRedskin]

I didn't get that impression whatsoever personally. I belive Coach is really unhappy with the playcalling.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I got that impression from his press conference, but I think that's because he's so loyal to Brunell. Hopefully Campbell can win him over.What did he say?

[wewantdallas]

I don't agree with the assumption here.

Gibbs does what every coach does when a young QB makes his first start and does well. He compliments him without going overboard. "He did a lot of things well," Gibbs said. "I wish we could've gotten the win for him."

I don't think Gibbs has ANY problems with Campbell's performance today, but you could tell he was fuming with the rest of the team.

[Biggie]

What did he say?

It wasn't what he said but how he said it. When Gibbs would talk about Brunell, he seemed to be pleased. He said good things about Campbell, but he had a completely different air about him.

[akhhorus]

It wasn't what he said but how he said it. When Gibbs would talk about Brunell, he seemed to be pleased. He said good things about Campbell, but he had a completely different air about him.

Could he just be upset with the performance today? I saw some of his comments and he didn't look especially upset as compared to the rest of the season.

[gibbs!we!trust!]

I just get the feeling that he feels Brunell still having something left or prefer not to make this change.

Why does he feel so loyal to Brunell, did he win him a Super Bowl? No!

He needs to get over!:Peace:

[akhhorus]

I just get the feeling that he feels Brunell still having something left or prefer not to make this change.

Why does he feel so loyal to Brunell, did he win him a Super Bowl? No!

He needs to get over!:Peace:

I think you need put down the Joe Gibbs voodoo dolls.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think you need put down the Joe Gibbs voodoo dolls.

Seriously. Man, some people around here just won't let it go. He made the change, and now you're not happy because Coach doesn't praise him (after a loss, btw)? I don't really know what you expect him to say there.

[Biggie]

Could he just be upset with the performance today? I saw some of his comments and he didn't look especially upset as compared to the rest of the season.

That could be it also. Campbell certainly didn't do anything deserving of much criticism today.

[lakeskin]

I didn't get that impression whatsoever personally. I belive Coach is really unhappy with the playcalling.

Yeah. I didnt get that impression either. Seemed pretty complimentary and fair in his assesment of Jason's performance.

[Axegrinder]

Campbell is not the problem.
I think that he's tired of losing.I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the coaches meeting.

[whitskins]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.:lol1: Nicely done. I just watched the press conference and didn't get any vibe either. Just an irritated coach that just lost to TB to fall to 3-7.

[Biggie]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.

Lol, I was just saying I got that impression... never mind. :lol1:

[silverspring]

Could he just be upset with the performance today? I saw some of his comments and he didn't look especially upset as compared to the rest of the season.

I noticed that too. I would assume it is because he accepted the season is over now in terms of postseason chances.

He didn't say anything that made me think he wasn't happy about the switch. Although I don't think he gave JC the usual brunell line: supersmart, super tough guy...

[forcefield58]

Gibbs said there are certain things they need to do to win that they didn't do today. Mainly, stop the run and run the ball well themselves. He said they did neither today, which was obvious.

Even Campbell commented about the long stretches where they couldn't get Tampa's offense off the field. I don't know where the defense has gone but it certainly didn't show up today.

All I know is that you have a hell of a running back in TJ and they really, really need to run him more. Betts is ok but I think TJ is so much better.

[AliBabba]

I noticed that too. I would assume it is because he accepted the season is over now in terms of postseason chances.

He didn't say anything that made me think he wasn't happy about the switch. Although I don't think he gave JC the usual brunell line: supersmart, super tough guy...
i think when they were walking into the locker room at halftime Gibbs said that JC was playing a very "smart" game. Not really anything very funny except coming from JG.

I did not get the impression that some of you got from the post-game conf. He was clearly down because we blew an opportunity to beat a team that sucks. We showed NO commitment to the run and our defense is an absolute joke. The only thing that made me more ill than watching our defense and playcalling were the shots of Maas in the box with his gravy-soaked blueberry jacket's button's ready to burst.

[bgforever]

I don't agree with the assumption here.

Gibbs does what every coach does when a young QB makes his first start and does well. He compliments him without going overboard. "He did a lot of things well," Gibbs said. "I wish we could've gotten the win for him."

I don't think Gibbs has ANY problems with Campbell's performance today, but you could tell he was fuming with the rest of the team.


There willl be pressure on some personnel for sure and it won't be so much the offense. The offense moved, it wasn't a great game, but coming from a guy with his first start it was impressive, at the least. However, the defense didn't do what they do best. Well at least in the beginning of a team trying to run.

They simply discombobulated early and gave that Tampa run game all the confidence in the world. The secondary was doing its best with what we have out there, but GW's packages changed too much for this game. The rookie for Tampa Bay isn't Manning so no need to go overboard with adjustments!

This was another defensive meltdown, when the offense was there to do a job, and yes they didn't always get the first down, but the defense didn't give them the ball back much either, save for Springs and Washington. The defense found a way to snatch losing from the jaws of winning again, period. Sure you can point to other parts of the game, but it sure wasn't Joe Gibbs decisions, it was Gregg Williams' package changes and something about our middle of the D Line and the LEFT side off the DE's hip??????

[Biggie]

There willl be pressure on some personnel for sure and it won't be so much the offense. The offense moved, it wasn't a great game, but coming from a guy with his first start it was impressive, at the least. However, the defense didn't do what they do best. Well at least in the beginning of a team trying to run.

They simply discombobulated early and gave that Tampa run game all the confidence in the world. The secondary was doing its best with what we have out there, but GW's packages changed too much for this game. The rookie for Tampa Bay isn't Manning so no need to go overboard with adjustments!

This was another defensive meltdown, when the offense was there to do a job, and yes they didn't always get the first down, but the defense didn't give them the ball back much either, save for Springs and Washington. The defense found a way to snatch losing from the jaws of winning again, period. Sure you can point to other parts of the game, but it sure wasn't Joe Gibbs decisions, it was Gregg Williams' package changes and something about our middle of the D Line and the LEFT side off the DE's hip??????

I have a feeling this isn't the last win the defense will rob us of.

[skins74]

Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?

If he can't still see that Campbell is the better of the QBs than he is a poor judge of talent.


I don't think you are reading Joe very well. He said JC did alot of things well.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Joe Gibbs handpicked Jason Campbell and gave up a lot to get him. He is not upset at playing him. It is possible to feel bad for benching Mark and still want to play Campbell, IMO.

Some of these coaches have got to go.

1. Joe Bugel. That is his O line out there and they can't run block to save their lives. Jon Jansen is having a horrible year.

2. Don Breaux. What does he do?

3. Greg Blache. Your D line is horrible. Did you endorse bringing in Andre Carter? Is your loyalty to Phillip Daniels clouding your judgement?

And whoever suggested signing Adam Archuleta should give his salary back to the team to compensate. Was that you Gregg Williams? I have never seen a defense collapse so completely from 1 year to the next.

It is nice to have a QB back there who can make all the throws. Too bad the rest of the team can't help him in sustaining the drives. Can't run the ball, receivers can't catch.

This team has fallen apart, and it is not Al Saunders fault. Look at the results he had in KC the past 5 years. Do you think he really doens't like to run the ball? Ask Larry Johnson what he thinks of Al Saunders. Or Priest Holmes.

Joe needs to get some of the chefs out of the kitchen and let Al run this thing. If we could get some dependable blocking to run the ball and stop the run on the other side, things would start to look up.

[hail2skins]

Joe Gibbs handpicked Jason Campbell and gave up a lot to get him. He is not upset at playing him. It is possible to feel bad for benching Mark and still want to play Campbell, IMO.

Some of these coaches have got to go.

1. Joe Bugel. That is his O line out there and they can't run block to save their lives. Jon Jansen is having a horrible year.

2. Don Breaux. What does he do?

3. Greg Blache. Your D line is horrible. Did you endorse bringing in Andre Carter? Is your loyalty to Phillip Daniels clouding your judgement?

And whoever suggested signing Adam Archuleta should give his salary back to the team to compensate. Was that you Gregg Williams? I have never seen a defense collapse so completely from 1 year to the next.

It is nice to have a QB back there who can make all the throws. Too bad the rest of the team can't help him in sustaining the drives. Can't run the ball, receivers can't catch.

This team has fallen apart, and it is not Al Saunders fault. Look at the results he had in KC the past 5 years. Do you think he really doens't like to run the ball? Ask Larry Johnson what he thinks of Al Saunders. Or Priest Holmes.

Joe needs to get some of the chefs out of the kitchen and let Al run this thing. If we could get some dependable blocking to run the ball and stop the run on the other side, things would start to look up.You have some good points but Al is trying to implement his offense with players that don't fit. If the players don't fit, then you have to adjust to their strengths. Portis is not a run wide back and neither is Duckett, so why don't we design plays to take advantage of their strenghts. So, I believe it is Saunders fault. To run the ball, it has to be called and he abandoned it too early today.

[Lavar703]

Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?

If he can't still see that Campbell is the better of the QBs than he is a poor judge of talent.

Honestly I think coach is just all around depressed. I think he regrets alot of the off season moves now, and its killing him to see his team play like this. You have to understand that this man loves the Redskins, hes not here for the money like most people in the media think, he had more than enough money, and I think that gets at him a little too. I dont think hes upset with Campbell, I think hes upset with the situation, and I think most of all hes upset for us, the fans. He knows what this team means to us and how well we support them, and for them not to perform up to his standards is really killing him.

[AliBabba]

You have some good points but Al is trying to implement his offense with players that don't fit. If the players don't fit, then you have to adjust to their strengths. Portis is not a run wide back and neither is Duckett, so why don't we design plays to take advantage of their strenghts. So, I believe it is Saunders fault. To run the ball, it has to be called and he abandoned it too early today.
seriously, if you are a great coach you make the best with what you got. If bringing in Saunders meant we had to totally change our offensive personnel than it was a horrible idea (even though we do just about every 2 yrs)

aren't the key aspects to be a good football coach preparation, gameplanning, and adjustments? if so I would say that Saunder's is failing at least 2 out of 3 if not all thus far this year. Somebody offer him and GW head coaching deals - PLEASE!

[bgforever]

I have a feeling this isn't the last win the defense will rob us of.


Gregg Williams in a coupe de ta" of Joe Gibbs and Co maybe? Think about it. The number one crook of the team this year is the defense. Even with big names out in winnable games, players looked lethargic, on medication for pain or sleep walking at times. This is at least the 5th time the defense has done more harm being in the game, than good, and at least 3 times, they countered a better than average performance by the offense.

We know a Mark Brunell returned the favor from the QB position in at least 4 games, with a performance befitting AARP members, or the Navocaine crew. However galant he is and knowledgeable; his confidence in his game was getting readable and painful to watch. That said, the new day on offense has begun,

But I would like to think that JC left NO stone unturned he has a very good chance to keep the O humming along just fine. Any defenisve gems we get will go in the throw away pile, since 7 games lost can't be restored. Just watch them play and evaluate for next season. Mathematics will be the forcus of Wall Street and all classrooms, certainly not this defense.

[American Soldier]

:lol1: Nicely done. I just watched the press conference and didn't get any vibe either. Just an irritated coach that just lost to TB to fall to 3-7.


True

[shally]

Why does Joe Gibbs still seems to dislike making the switch to Campbell?

If he can't still see that Campbell is the better of the QBs than he is a poor judge of talent.

just joe being joe... he doesn't like young players.. at least he ain't as bad as george allen
:lol1:

[shally]

Campbell is not the problem.
I think that he's tired of losing.I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the coaches meeting.

my guess is that GW had little he could say in defense or his defense.. it really smells

[shally]

You have some good points but Al is trying to implement his offense with players that don't fit. If the players don't fit, then you have to adjust to their strengths. Portis is not a run wide back and neither is Duckett, so why don't we design plays to take advantage of their strenghts. So, I believe it is Saunders fault. To run the ball, it has to be called and he abandoned it too early today.

agree about saunders.. he is rigid and his system is not flexible at all-- or at least he is inflexible

plus, giving up 185 yards rushing to tampa was inexcusable.. same as giving up 170 or so yards to tennessee.. the defense has forgotten how to stop the run.. we will not win until that changes.

[DoGood]

Believe me, Gibbs is upset about of lot of things today but Campbell wasn't one of them. I guarantee you.

[santanadasavior]

I thought that Gibbs was dissappointed in how the other players helped, or didn't help, Jason Campbell today. That was the impression that I got. That he was pleased with Jason just not with his surrounding cast.

[Apache]

You've got realize that Gibbs has always favored a seasoned Vet. Brunnell was his pick. If he had it his way, he'd still have Brunnell playing but, even the ole' ball coach knew Brunnell just wasn't getting it done. I think Joe feels badly for Brunnell because deep down Brunnell wasn't a bad QB statistically yet he felt he owed it to the team to try something new. As for JC, that was a pick under Gibbs too and I think he will be pleased and comfortable with JC as time goes on. Joe has never been one to gloat just like last year when it was evident that we would romp San Fran. He refused to fall into the trap of admitting it to the world that he knew so. Same holds true for JC. What we saw today was a poised mobile young man make some good plays even though the Defense couldn't get the offense on the field enough. Gibbs will make encouraging comments but, not put him high on a pedistol until JC has some more games under his belt especially with Brunnell lurking. I think Brunnell will leave next year and JC will without a doubt have earned JG's respect and will be more free to voice his happiness in JC. JG has always said that JC is a smart, hard worker, and has always done what was asked of him which is why he got this opporunity earlier than expected. Just give it time while mending fences.

[hail2skins]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.What he said. Some of these threads are just unbelieveable.

[bgforever]

I thought that Gibbs was dissappointed in how the other players helped, or didn't help, Jason Campbell today. That was the impression that I got. That he was pleased with Jason just not with his surrounding cast.

I never liked the way offense goes to Betts so much, never did. don't mind using his skiills, but thought he should have had less touches today and more to ARE, TJ, Lloyd and Cooley. There's no reason to be close to the vest now, and JG is acknowledging that, but still I don't agree with so much give to Betts at this point.

[skinem]

I thought He was casual about Campbell, but, was really upset with the rest of the team

[skinfan43]

Gibbs is just pissed at three main things right now, and one isn't named Jason Campbell, IMHO:
1) Himself - for effing around with his system that WAS WORKING GREAT WITH THESE PARTICULAR PLAYERS.
2)His staff - for continuing to stubbornly do things the way they want to, rather than adjust to what NEEDS to be done. GW, Bugel, Blache, Lindsey, Gray and Saunders are ALL on the hot seat w/Gibbs IMO.
3) Key players that are consistently inconsistent - not only the Archuleta's, but also the Rogers', Wright's, Marshall's, Holdman's, Daniels', Carter's, Salav'ea's, ENTIRE O-Line and kicking game, just to name a few.

(P.S. - It's got to be KILLING Gibbs to not be committing to pounding the ball on the ground. Just KILLING him,IMO.)

[golongdude]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

It's called, 'people not having any semblance of a life'. All that needs to be analyzed are the stone cold facts. Putrid, piss-poor defense and defensive coach (this year, at least) and a self-confused offense, all resulting in one of th worst NFC teams this year. And the season is not over. All this other stuff is what kills time until next year.

[golongdude]

Gibbs is just pissed at three main things right now, and one isn't named Jason Campbell, IMHO:
1) Himself
2)His staff
3) Key players that are consistently inconsistent

Agree with this whole statement. The thing is, he's invested into the system overhaul and it couldn't be undone successfully during his remaining tenure, even if he wanted it. And as much as I hate to admit it, all the sports journalist pundits at hellholes like SI.com and such were spot on with the comments about too many chiefs (coaches) in that wigwam called the coaching staff. Too many big personalities. Would have been interesting to see half the staff replaced with younger, unproven hopefuls. At least you'd avoid this type of top-end gridlock.

I absolutely hated what happened to the Redskins after Gibbs left the first time. Sadly, I am starting to feel the same way, because that feeling is generated primarily from what is going on from the top down, not so much on the field (although that is a terrible sight to see on any given Sunday), just like in the early 90's.

Biggest mess in Gibb's career, I think. I am sad for him.

[skinfan43]

Agree with this whole statement. The thing is, he's invested into the system overhaul and it couldn't be undone successfully during his remaining tenure, even if he wanted it. And as much as I hate to admit it, all the sports journalist pundits at hellholes like SI.com and such were spot on with the comments about too many chiefs (coaches) in that wigwam called the coaching staff. Too many big personalities. Would have been interesting to see half the staff replaced with younger, unproven hopefuls. At least you'd avoid this type of top-end gridlock.

I absolutely hated what happened to the Redskins after Gibbs left the first time. Sadly, I am starting to feel the same way, because that feeling is generated primarily from what is going on from the top down, not so much on the field (although that is a terrible sight to see on any given Sunday), just like in the early 90's.

Biggest mess in Gibb's career, I think. I am sad for him.
What you said is true IMO, and really sad to me as well. If Gibbs ever had an extra ace up his sleeve, he'll need to break it out to win this game called "offseason cleanup".
But if anyone can, it's Joe Jackson Gibbs. He won't quit until he makes this thing right again, that's my trusting opinion. Campbell is at the forefront of what's right, and Gibbs and all of us should be encouraged by the JC's first ever NFL game.

[shally]

What you said is true IMO, and really sad to me as well. If Gibbs ever had an extra ace up his sleeve, he'll need to break it out to win this game called "offseason cleanup".
But if anyone can, it's Joe Jackson Gibbs. He won't quit until he makes this thing right again, that's my trusting opinion. Campbell is at the forefront of what's right, and Gibbs and all of us should be encouraged by the JC's first ever NFL game.

middle of year 3 and this is what we have ?? that would make anyone unhappy...

[chrisbcbu]

As much as i love Bugel i think it may be his time to move on. He just doesnt seem to motivate the line like he used to.

Maybe we could go out and get Alex Gibbs to replace him?

Also I didnt think we would hurt this much in the secondary when we lost our secondary coach(Dewayne Walker??) and signed Jerry Gray. This does not look like the same secondary.

[akhhorus]

Also I didnt think we would hurt this much in the secondary when we lost our secondary coach(Dewayne Walker??) and signed Jerry Gray. This does not look like the same secondary.

agreed. Rogers looked very good last year under Walker, and has completely fallen apart under Gray. This is why I think that Rogers is still redeemable. He didn't have these kinds of problems last year and had better technique.

[LuvSkins17]

Joe Gibbs said in the press conference that JC did a lot of good things, but he was more concerned with the play of the rest of the team. "I think" he was disappointed in the effort by the defense. We missed A LOT of tackles.

[Biggie]

This is from Walker's page at UCLA:

In 2005, the Redskins ranked No. 1 among the NFL's 32 teams in lowest opponent passing percentage (54.4%). In addition, they also ranked second (tied) in fewest touchdown passes allowed (15), 10th in pass defense (192.6 yards) and 14th (tied) in interceptions (16). Walker played a key role in the development of rookie cornerback Carlos Rogers and the continued fine play of Shawn Springs.

http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/walker_dewayne00.html

[RedskinsVision]

I think Gibbs is mad at himself and his coaches for failing the team. He talked about going back to principles and not playing Redskins football. That to me is a coaching issue. It seems like a subtle jab at Saunders and frustrations over having a finesse team when Gibbs' teams were known as the Hogs and the Diesel running people over.

[LATrueRedskin]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.

whit is my guy. :)

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i definitely didnt see that at all. i saw a coach who is just as frustrated as we are (even more) and didnt see a team that he is used to. one that pounds the ball and one that punishes the opponents ball carrier. i cant believe how we completely abandonded the running game the way we have this season. its perplexing to say the least.

[frankez99]

i definitely didnt see that at all. i saw a coach who is just as frustrated as we are (even more) and didnt see a team that he is used to. one that pounds the ball and one that punishes the opponents ball carrier. i cant believe how we completely abandonded the running game the way we have this season. its perplexing to say the least.

Oh sweetie....you said it so well. Redskin football=ballcontrol with the running back. We are so off base with this offense...and the defense? Borderline the most uninspired I have ever seen....I miss Dexter and Charles.

Hail to the Redskins and to my friends at hR.com.

[WarEagle]

Coach Gibbs is just frustrated. He has a lot on his mind.
Jason's first postgame presser was very good. He presents himself very well and appears painfully shy. He addresses the dropped pass on the first play. Check it out at the redskins.com site.

[bergiemoore]

Gibbs is definitely frustrated, and he has every right to be so.

The Offensive Line is doing a piss poor job run blocking. They are losing the battle in the trenches. Randy Thomas had some flashes today, but he was about the only impact player on the line.

Betts is disappointing, as an every-down back. Gibbs/Saunders are still experimenting with the personnel at the RB position. For a few moments in the 2nd half, it looked to me that TJ was going to get the bulk of the carries, and then Betts coughed it up, and that's all she wrote....

Bottom line, I don't think that Gibbs is upset w/ Campbell. He knows he couldn't pull him at this point anyway. If the defense had managed to get the ball to Campbell a few more times, I think that this would a win.

[shally]

Gibbs is definitely frustrated, and he has every right to be so.

The Offensive Line is doing a piss poor job run blocking. They are losing the battle in the trenches. Randy Thomas had some flashes today, but he was about the only impact player on the line.

Betts is disappointing, as an every-down back. Gibbs/Saunders are still experimenting with the personnel at the RB position. For a few moments in the 2nd half, it looked to me that TJ was going to get the bulk of the carries, and then Betts coughed it up, and that's all she wrote....

Bottom line, I don't think that Gibbs is upset w/ Campbell. He knows he couldn't pull him at this point anyway. If the defense had managed to get the ball to Campbell a few more times, I think that this would a win.

hard to heap praise on anyone when the team looked so poor overall

[becky]

Man, I never knew this board had so many certified psycho-analysts on it.

Every single word, facial tick, and voice inflection from Joe Gibbs relating to Jason Campbell is broken down, scrutinized, and played backwards in search of hidden messages.

Apparently Coach Gibbs wasn't upset that his team just lost to one of the worst squads in the league, or that his defense is completely finished and gutless, or that his genius offensive coordinator still hasn't quite grasped what a running play actually is... No, he's upset that his hand picked QB of the future played a pretty good game in his NFL debut and was one of the only guys on the team who had a positive effect on our performance.

Cause that makes sense.


LOL thank you whit.

I'm not really sure I understand.. Joe Gibbs hand picked this QB for this team. He made the decision to start him.. and the kid played well. I think what he is probably upset about is that he is one of the most competitive people in the NFL (and thats saying something) and he really freaking hates to lose.. and his team is 3-7. Can you blame him for being angry/upset about that? I'd be worried if he wasn't.

[CowboyKilla]

I think he's just trying to be low key in regards to the kid but I'd be willing to bet that gibbs turned to buges after or during the game and said "did you see that?" The kid was impressive and young minds are fragile.
Gibbs knows what he's doing, right?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I just finished watching his press conference, and yeah, I think Gibbs was specifically mad at 2 particular people, but neither was Jason Campbell. I think their names are Gregg Williams and Al Saunders. You could tell that he is frustrated beyond belief with the playcalling, which once again was strange at best (14 rushing plays total. With a QB making his debut.), and that he has had enough of this putrid defense. I really don't know what has happened, but rarely have I seen a defense break down COMPLETELY from one year to another like we have this year. The scheme is not working, the blitzing has been laughable, the coverage ridiculous, all our players have regressed, the new players are either contributing negatively or not contributing at all (Rocky).
If I had to guess right now, I think it's possible that Al Saunders could leave at the end of the year. Unless we change about 6 or 7 starters on offense (which is impossible) this offense is not gonna work with the players we have.
Seriously, right now Campbell is the only reason I'm watching these games with any kind of interest.

[WarEagle]

I just finished watching his press conference, and yeah, I think Gibbs was specifically mad at 2 particular people, but neither was Jason Campbell. I think their names are Gregg Williams and Al Saunders.

Seriously, right now Campbell is the only reason I'm watching these games with any kind of interest.

Ding! You win the award for outstanding summary of the mindset of Redskins Nation.

I love the kid (see my avatar) and want to watch him (or listen on the net), but I've concluded that changes must be made on the staff.

[IowaSkinsFan]

You have some good points but Al is trying to implement his offense with players that don't fit. If the players don't fit, then you have to adjust to their strengths. Portis is not a run wide back and neither is Duckett, so why don't we design plays to take advantage of their strenghts. So, I believe it is Saunders fault. To run the ball, it has to be called and he abandoned it too early today.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Portis is not a run wide back, but I think you mean running off tackle on stretch plays. If so, that is what he excelled at in Denver, just like all of the good Denver backs have. Heck, even the KC backs unders Saunders ran those plays well. Look at highlights of Larry Johnson last year and Priest Holmes before that and you will see the stretch plays to the sidelines and then the back hitting the hole as the blocking developes. The difference with their success and our failure is in the O lines, IMO. We do not blow anyone off the ball and D lineman shed the blocks way too easily.

Designing plays is only part of the equation. Players have to perform and right now neither of our lines are doing that. When the QB's throw the ball to the WR's, (Brandon Lloyd), they need to catch the ball.

The one saving grace from yesterday is that we saw a QB who can stand in the pocket and make all of the throws. He just needs a supporting cast that can help him out.

The other thing about this being a new offense is being blown out of proportion. Joe Gibbs and Saunders use the same method of diagramming plays, with numbers representing pass patterns. They come from the same tree so this is not an entirely new offense.

Saunders likes to run the ball, I am convinced of that. Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes would not have put up the numbers he did in KC without Saunders calling those plays. Al is probably not calling as many running plays here because the talent is now different (Portis hurt, then out altogether, Betts a dropoff in talent). Duckett can run between the tackles, but our O line is not blocking good in that regard. That is why I am being so critical of Joe Bugel.

As far as personnel not being suited to this offense, I agree in general, but specifically about the QB. Brunell, for all the good he did us last season, should not have been starting this season. It should have been Campbell from the get go for the very reason we have seen this whole season and Sunday in particular. Campbell is physically superior to Brunell and provides many more options in the passing game. He and Brunell were on the same page this offseason with learning the offense, so there is no reason to believe that Brunell was a better choice to lead this team than Campbell.

However, none of that would matter with a defense as bad as the one we have. All of this should have been evident in a 0-4 preseason.

Whew, what a rant.

[joethefan]

Well IMO, Gibbs finally had one of the best press conferences in almost a year. I think he wasn't happy with the playcalling. I think he also meant that the philosphys are not matching. cause when campbell has to thrown 34 times or so to stay in the game...thier is an issue with the run game....I think he clearly didn't care for the defense. And didn't think that the team supported Campbell in the manner in which he would have liked. On the field.

[joethefan]

I think Gibbs is mad at himself and his coaches for failing the team. He talked about going back to principles and not playing Redskins football. That to me is a coaching issue. It seems like a subtle jab at Saunders and frustrations over having a finesse team when Gibbs' teams were known as the Hogs and the Diesel running people over.

I agree....I think he's gonna grab the horse carriage next year.

[dj_stouty]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Portis is not a run wide back, but I think you mean running off tackle on stretch plays. If so, that is what he excelled at in Denver, just like all of the good Denver backs have. Heck, even the KC backs unders Saunders ran those plays well. Look at highlights of Larry Johnson last year and Priest Holmes before that and you will see the stretch plays to the sidelines and then the back hitting the hole as the blocking developes. The difference with their success and our failure is in the O lines, IMO. We do not blow anyone off the ball and D lineman shed the blocks way too easily.

Yup; this totally comes down to the O-line. LJ and Priest had the luxury of an amazing O-line that bullrushed their defenders in those stretch plays. The Redskins O-line doesn't excel in that...at least not as a frequently used running play.

[bergiemoore]

Yup; this totally comes down to the O-line. LJ and Priest had the luxury of an amazing O-line that bullrushed their defenders in those stretch plays. The Redskins O-line doesn't excel in that...at least not as a frequently used running play.

After this past game, I have to come down hard on the O-Line. They just sucked in run blocking. They were losing their one-on-one battles all across the board with the possible exception of Thomas. I don't think that Saunders is going to call a whole lot of run plays when it is clear that our back doesn't have the vision to find the minuscule holes this line opens up for him. I don't think that Betts is an every-down back. He's a better receiving back than TJ, but that's about it. I think we need to plug in TJ on 1st and 2nd downs, and in short yardage situation, and keep Betts for 3rd downs, or to spell the starter. The O-Line needs to just man-up, and start blowing some people up. Right now, they are the reason our run game sucks, not the play calling.

[joethefan]

Did you notice that every time he's in front of the camera he says "our future looks bright here"...i heard that 3 different times with 3 different reporters...Do you think that the Skins are telling him to say this to try to save face?

[joethefan]

After this past game, I have to come down hard on the O-Line. They just sucked in run blocking. They were losing their one-on-one battles all across the board with the possible exception of Thomas. I don't think that Saunders is going to call a whole lot of run plays when it is clear that our back doesn't have the vision to find the minuscule holes this line opens up for him. I don't think that Betts is an every-down back. He's a better receiving back than TJ, but that's about it. I think we need to plug in TJ on 1st and 2nd downs, and in short yardage situation, and keep Betts for 3rd downs, or to spell the starter. The O-Line needs to just man-up, and start blowing some people up. Right now, they are the reason our run game sucks, not the play calling.
I agree with the entire post....it's like they only want to block for Portis...

[skins4ever28]

:eaglesuk: Joe Gibbs didnt want to switch the qb , but the team was not winning . If your not winning then you need to make a change. Brunell is a old veteran , but its time to let Jason Campbell play. We need to see if he can play in this league. Well after watching him i like what i saw from him. Did you see him get away from a safety blitz and still make the throw for a completion to J.Thrash. Brunell would have been sacked. Gibbs is frustrated with the poor defense. Oh yea our o-line is struggling with run blocking this year, new scheme again . remember the 300 page play book , maybe a little to much.