Rank NFL Starting Quarterbacks from best to worst

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think the NFL has some very good QBs at this point. Here is how I would rank them. I'm sure some of you will disagree so post your own list. Some of these guys are hurt but the starting job is still theirs.

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. McNugget
6. Roethlisberger
7. Hasselbeck
8. McNair
9. Favre
10. Bulger
11. Trent Green
12. David Carr
13. Michael Vick
14. Jake Delhomme
15. Philip Rivers (rising stock)
16. Jake Plummer
17. Eli Manning
18. John Kitna
19. David Garrard/Leftwich (toss up)
20. Matt Lienart
21. Tony Romo (rising stock)
22. Brad Johnson
23. Rex Grossman
24. Vince Young
25. Charlie Frye
26. Jason Campbell (certainly on the rise)
27. Joey Harington
28. Chad Pennington
29. Alex Smith
30. JP Losman
31. Andrew Walter/Brooks
32. Bruce Gradkowski/Chris Simms

[csquared]

Pennington, Losman, and Alex Smith belong ahead of Campbell. Honestly they all do. Campbell had a decent game but he isnt that high yet.Give him time and i hope he is.

[fent]

i would probably drop vick, kitna, and frye significantly and big ben a little bit, but other than that they look about right...i might tweak them a little, but nothing major.

[esmith1790]

i know Romo has played the full season but I think what he did against the panthers and colts should bring his rank a lot higher. esp with his QB rating and his stats.

[fent]

Pennington, Losman, and Alex Smith belong ahead of Campbell. Honestly they all do. Campbell had a decent game but he isnt that high yet.Give him time and i hope he is.

Losman doesn't deserve to be ahead of ANYONE on a top starting QB list. He's awful.

and for the record, Brooks is the starter in Oakland now, not Walter.

[fent]

i know Romo has played the full season but I think what he did against the panthers and colts should bring his rank a lot higher. esp with his QB rating and his stats.

i don't know that i'd use Romo's game against the colts as an excuse to raise him...he threw for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. He certainly didn't do anything to lose the game, but it wasn't anything to raise his stock either. When you throw in a TD/INT ratio of 8-5, he has some issues he needs to work out before he rises much higher than where he is.

[esmith1790]

NFL Passer Rating
Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
1 Peyton Manning IND 2781 359 230 20 5 51 100.5
2 Tony Romo DAL 1350 151 103 8 5 53 100.0
3 Philip Rivers SD 2307 300 201 15 5 57 99.7
4 Carson Palmer CIN 2593 322 203 18 7 74 97.7
5 Damon Huard KC 1824 241 146 11 1 78 97.6
6 Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5
7 Drew Brees NO 3114 383 254 17 10 86 95.1
8 Marc Bulger STL 2657 364 231 13 3 67 93.9
9 David Carr HOU 1896 285 198 9 6 53 89.5
10 Tom Brady NE 2296 334 199 19 9 54 88.1
11 Mark Brunell WAS 1789 260 162 8 4 74 86.5
12 J.P. Losman BUF 1838 262 164 10 7 83 85.1
13 Rex Grossman CHI 2214 312 177 18 11 62 83.5
14 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 1249 176 103 10 7 72 82.8
15 Alex Smith SF 1824 274 169 10 7 75 82.7
16 Jake Delhomme CAR 2161 329 195 11 7 72 81.1
17 Eli Manning NYG 1972 293 174 15 11 50 81.0
18 Jon Kitna DET 2624 364 229 11 12 60 80.9
19 Brett Favre GB 2368 367 208 13 7 82 80.1
20 Byron Leftwich JAC 1159 183 108 7 5 51 79.0
21 Steve McNair BAL 1928 304 186 10 9 65 78.1
22 Chad Pennington NYJ 1888 286 177 10 11 71 76.8
23 Seneca Wallace SEA 927 141 82 8 7 49 76.2
24 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2315 306 192 12 17 63 75.8
25 Michael Vick ATL 1686 267 140 13 9 55 74.3
26 Charlie Frye CLE 1959 316 198 9 12 75 73.8
27 Bruce Gradkowski TB 1208 239 129 9 4 52 73.7
28 Brad Johnson MIN 2139 332 207 5 10 46 73.4
29 Jake Plummer DEN 1778 276 150 10 11 83 69.7
30 Drew Bledsoe DAL 1164 169 90 7 8 51 69.2


Romo was 19-23 with 1 INT that means he missed/threw away only 3 passes the whole game!

[Ibleedburgundy]

i know Romo has played the full season but I think what he did against the panthers and colts should bring his rank a lot higher. esp with his QB rating and his stats.

I think you're right. He looks pretty damn good (and it pains me to say that). The only thing holding him back is a lack of a track record. I changed his status to rising stock.

[csquared]

Losman doesn't deserve to be ahead of ANYONE on a top starting QB list. He's awful.

and for the record, Brooks is the starter in Oakland now, not Walter.
Hes not that bad. 12 highest rated QB in the NFL.Im not saying he should be top 15 but def not behind Campbell. I know we are all Skins fans but we have to be realistic. I agree with Vick and Big Ben though.

[dj_stouty]

NFL Passer Rating
Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
1 Peyton Manning IND 2781 359 230 20 5 51 100.5
2 Tony Romo DAL 1350 151 103 8 5 53 100.0
3 Philip Rivers SD 2307 300 201 15 5 57 99.7
4 Carson Palmer CIN 2593 322 203 18 7 74 97.7
5 Damon Huard KC 1824 241 146 11 1 78 97.6
6 Donovan McNabb PHI 2647 316 180 18 6 87 95.5
7 Drew Brees NO 3114 383 254 17 10 86 95.1
8 Marc Bulger STL 2657 364 231 13 3 67 93.9
9 David Carr HOU 1896 285 198 9 6 53 89.5
10 Tom Brady NE 2296 334 199 19 9 54 88.1
11 Mark Brunell WAS 1789 260 162 8 4 74 86.5
12 J.P. Losman BUF 1838 262 164 10 7 83 85.1
13 Rex Grossman CHI 2214 312 177 18 11 62 83.5
14 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 1249 176 103 10 7 72 82.8
15 Alex Smith SF 1824 274 169 10 7 75 82.7
16 Jake Delhomme CAR 2161 329 195 11 7 72 81.1
17 Eli Manning NYG 1972 293 174 15 11 50 81.0
18 Jon Kitna DET 2624 364 229 11 12 60 80.9
19 Brett Favre GB 2368 367 208 13 7 82 80.1
20 Byron Leftwich JAC 1159 183 108 7 5 51 79.0
21 Steve McNair BAL 1928 304 186 10 9 65 78.1
22 Chad Pennington NYJ 1888 286 177 10 11 71 76.8
23 Seneca Wallace SEA 927 141 82 8 7 49 76.2
24 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2315 306 192 12 17 63 75.8
25 Michael Vick ATL 1686 267 140 13 9 55 74.3
26 Charlie Frye CLE 1959 316 198 9 12 75 73.8
27 Bruce Gradkowski TB 1208 239 129 9 4 52 73.7
28 Brad Johnson MIN 2139 332 207 5 10 46 73.4
29 Jake Plummer DEN 1778 276 150 10 11 83 69.7
30 Drew Bledsoe DAL 1164 169 90 7 8 51 69.2


Romo was 19-23 with 1 INT that means he missed/threw away only 3 passes the whole game!

So what. He is listed with a bunch of other QBs who have played the entire season. Come back and show us his passer rating after he gets through a few more games.

[esmith1790]

i don't know that i'd use Romo's game against the colts as an excuse to raise him...he threw for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. He certainly didn't do anything to lose the game, but it wasn't anything to raise his stock either. When you throw in a TD/INT ratio of 8-5, he has some issues he needs to work out before he rises much higher than where he is.


3 of those INTs all came against the 2nd half of the giants game so it skews it a little bit. Also he play against some bad defenses, Cards, Skins, so maybe his numbers are inflated.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Losman doesn't deserve to be ahead of ANYONE on a top starting QB list. He's awful.

and for the record, Brooks is the starter in Oakland now, not Walter.

I think I was affected by watching those two 83 yard bombs to Lee Evans this weekend. You have to admit those were nice throws.

I'll add Brooks but I'm not sure that changes their ranking all that much.

[csquared]

3 of those INTs all came against the 2nd half of the giants game so it skews it a little bit. Also he play against some bad defenses, Cards, Skins, so maybe his numbers are inflated.
Well we were good enough to beat yall werent we???? :dalassuk:

[fent]

3 of those INTs all came against the 2nd half of the giants game so it skews it a little bit. Also he play against some bad defenses, Cards, Skins, so maybe his numbers are inflated.

that's the tough part with him...he has no real record yet. Now that he's played for a month, teams will finally have some game film of him as well. They'll start to figure out his tendencies and throw some kinks at him.

[fent]

I think I was affected by watching those two 83 yard bombs to Lee Evans this weekend. You have to admit those were nice throws.

I'll add Brooks but I'm not sure that changes their ranking all that much.

i didn't see them, so i don't know. i've just seen so many plays where he looks like ramsey on roller skates that i can't really get scared by him.

and i don't think Brooks changes the Raiders placing either, just pointing it out for you.

[esmith1790]

Well we were good enough to beat yall werent we???? :dalassuk:


is this a battle you want to start because you cant win the war on skins vs boys... if you wana discuss is cool, but this is not worth the fight...I was just saying Romo be should be higher he has a high completion percentage, i wasnt saying top 10 at all.

[esmith1790]

I think you're right. He looks pretty damn good (and it pains me to say that). The only thing holding him back is a lack of a track record. I changed his status to rising stock.

thanks for alteast putting the status to rising stock. Romo has been the reason our season is worth playing. We might be 4-6 with Bledsoe back there.

[esmith1790]

So what. He is listed with a bunch of other QBs who have played the entire season. Come back and show us his passer rating after he gets through a few more games.


Ok after he plays the same number of games as brunell did? he has throw as many TD's as Brunell has in a lot less more games. That should have been the reason the change to QB to Campbell a long time ago.

[PyroGenic]

is this a battle you want to start because you cant win the war on skins vs boys... if you wana discuss is cool, but this is not worth the fight...I was just saying Romo be should be higher he has a high completion percentage, i wasnt saying top 10 at all.

I'm pretty sure he could win that war on a 'skins message board :)

[esmith1790]

I'm pretty sure he could win that war on a 'skins message board :)


nope sure cant, win that... we have more head to head victories and more superbowls wins, what else is there to bring up???

[dj_stouty]

Ok after he plays the same number of games as brunell did? he has throw as many TD's as Brunell has in a lot less more games. That should have been the reason the change to QB to Campbell a long time ago.

And Romo has also thrown MORE interceptions than Brunell did in a lot less games. Right back at ya...:inkston:

Point is...Romo has played 1/2 as many games as many of those QBs on that list. I'd like to see him get some more playing time before we start comparing him to QBs who have played twice as many snaps and have been hit twice as many times. Romo is still on fresh legs...

[ryflan47]

Andrew Walter deserves to be rated 134032494023942343294923942348923483 IMO. Give or take 2 spots. He may be one of the worst starters ever.

[esmith1790]

And Romo has also thrown MORE interceptions than Brunell did in a lot less games. Right back at ya...:inkston:

Point is...Romo has played 1/2 as many games as many of those QBs on that list. I'd like to see him get some more playing time before we start comparing him to QBs who have played twice as many snaps and have been hit twice as many times. Romo is still on fresh legs...


i dont think the cowboys could have asked for anything more from Romo at this time. way much better the Bledsoe has done.

[PyroGenic]

nope sure cant, win that... we have more head to head victories and more superbowls wins, what else is there to bring up???

quality of wins? I'm sure you've seen some of the arguments brought up in the past about this.

10 years of winning against two perennial sucky teams doesn't really mean much, etc etc.

Anyway, I'm not gonna start this little battle or whatever, I'm just telling you that you have a false sense of security in arguing for the cowboys on a 'skins message board.

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As for the QBs, I think big ben is over rated but my opinion probably isn't shared with many. He doesn't make mistakes, which is good, but you can't count on him to be the deciding factor in a game. When he has good stats, the steelers lose.

Other than that a few other little things (which are probably more personal opinion than anything else) that's a pretty good job ranking the QBs.

[PyroGenic]

Andrew Walter deserves to be rated 134032494023942343294923942348923483 IMO. Give or take 2 spots. He may be one of the worst starters ever.

I dunno, his line REALLY sucks. Kinda hard to see how good he is... plus his coach is a friggin statue.

[esmith1790]

quality of wins? I'm sure you've seen some of the arguments brought up in the past about this.

10 years of winning against two perennial sucky teams doesn't really mean much, etc etc.

Anyway, I'm not gonna start this little battle or whatever, I'm just telling you that you have a false sense of security in arguing for the cowboys on a 'skins message board.



do you think the players were saying they like quality versus quantity during the bad years. What ever happened to a win is a win. I dont think they do the quality of wins versus the quantity here in the NFL. so if the skins go 8-8 and the boys 10-6 that the skins should get in the playoffs over the boys cause they had more quality wins, I dont think so.

I dont have a false sense of security. The records speak for themselves, i know 3 SB WINS is great but 5 SB wins is even better. So as bad as the cowboys sucked we still beat the skins that should really say how bad the skins were.

[PyroGenic]

do you think the players were saying they like quality versus quantity during the bad years. What ever happened to a win is a win. I dont think they do the quality of wins versus the quantity here in the NFL. so if the skins go 8-8 and the boys 10-6 that the skins should get in the playoffs over the boys cause they had more quality wins, I dont think so.

I dont have a false sense of security. The records speak for themselves, i know 3 SB WINS is great but 5 SB wins is even better. So as bad as the cowboys sucked we still beat the skins that should really say how bad the skins were.

I said no.

Let's keep this thread on track. Make another one if you wanna argue with somebody about that.

[esmith1790]

Indy had the 3rd best passing defense and Romo goes 19/23 with 1 INT so only 3 balls not caught. That is pretty damn good for a young guy playing that is 82.6% completion against the number 3 passing defense. esp when our running game was shutdown. I think Romo is in the top half of the league.

[PyroGenic]

Indy had the 3rd best passing defense and Romo goes 19/23 with 1 INT so only 3 balls not caught. That is pretty damn good for a young guy playing that is 82.6% completion against the number 3 passing defense. esp when our running game was shutdown. I think Romo is in the top half of the league.

I'll agree with that. Romo played against some pretty hard defensive units and didn't look bad at all.

I still think that he's being overhyped and verbally humped by the media but I'm biased :)

[schmitty199]

i don't know that i'd use Romo's game against the colts as an excuse to raise him...he threw for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT. He certainly didn't do anything to lose the game, but it wasn't anything to raise his stock either. When you throw in a TD/INT ratio of 8-5, he has some issues he needs to work out before he rises much higher than where he is.

3 of those picks were when he was throw in at halftime of a already downward spiraling game.

Sure he didnt throw a TD vs the colts but he did complete nearly 85 percent of his passes for over a 90 QB rating.

[fent]

3 of those picks were when he was throw in at halftime of a already downward spiraling game.

Sure he didnt throw a TD vs the colts but he did complete nearly 85 percent of his passes for over a 90 QB rating.

spiralling downwards? it was 12-7, at home, against a defense that was missing major parts and already losing starting pieces during the game (arrington, umenyiora). why in the world should we not take those into account when evaluating his performance?

[esmith1790]

spiralling downwards? it was 12-7, at home, against a defense that was missing major parts and already losing starting pieces during the game (arrington, umenyiora). why in the world should we not take those into account when evaluating his performance?

Bledsoe wasnt going to be able to do anything against the giants even when those guys were out. Those guys were out before the end of the 1st half and Bledsoe still couldnt do that. BP wanted to get Romo some snaps before the start at the carolina game on the road.

[fent]

Bledsoe wasnt going to be able to do anything against the giants even when those guys were out. Those guys were out before the end of the 1st half and Bledsoe still couldnt do that. BP wanted to get Romo some snaps before the start at the carolina game on the road.

i understand why he played, but to say that we don't count some of his stats because of the circumstances is ridiculous.

[danny's stogie]

Pat Ramsey also looked good after his first few games....

Anyways, Big Ben goes way, way down that list. Rivers higher; he'll be the best of the 04 class by the end of the season.

[ImRickJamesB]

Pat Ramsey also looked good after his first few games....

:rolleyes:

Ramsey NEVER, EVER, looked THIS good!

Lets see how he stacks up by the numbers, against some of the leagues best.............. (Romo pretty much out-shines them all, in every category)


Tony Romo
Starts - 5 (and a half)
QB Rating - 110.8
Yards Per Game - 301 (Total - 1,656)
Yards Per Attempt - 9.2
Yards Per Complete - 13.3
Completion Percent - 69%
TD's - 13
INT's - 5

Peyton Manning
Starts - 10
QB Rating - 100.5
Yards Per Game - 278
Yards Per Attempt - 7.7
Yards Per Complete - 12.0
Completion Percent - 64%
TD's - 20
INT's - 5

Tom Brady
Starts - 10
QB Rating - 88.1
Yards Per Game - 229 (Total - 2,296)
Yards Per Attempt - 6.9
Yards Per Complete - 11.5
Completion Percent - 59%
TD's - 19
INT's - 9

Phillip Rivers
Starts - 10
QB Rating - 99.7
Yards Per Game - 230 (Total - 2,307)
Yards Per Attempt - 7.7
Yards Per Complete - 11.4
Competion Percent - 67%
TD's - 15
INT's - 5

Drew Brees
Starts - 10
QB Rating - 95.1
Yards Per Game - 311 (Total - 3,114)
Yards Per Attempt - 8.1
Yards Per Complete - 12.2
Completion Percent - 66%
TD's - 17
INT's - 10

JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE...............................

Mark Brunell
Starts - 9
QB Rating - 86.5
Yards Per Game - 198 (Total - 1,789)
Yards Per Attempt - 6.9
Yards Per Complete - 11
Completion Percent - 62%
TD's - 8
INT's - 4

Jason Campbell
Starts - 1
QB Rating - 92.3
Yards Per Game - 196 (Total - 196)
Yards Per Attempt - 5.8
Yards Per Complete - 10.3
Completion Percent - 56%
TD's - 2
INT's - 0


:sfight:

Right now, Romo's at least gotta be in the TOP 5 !!!!!!! No matter who makes the list !!!!!!!

BTW, here's something interesting .................................................. .....

Patrick Crayton
Games - 11
Receptions - 28
Yards - 437
Yards Per - 15.6
Long - 53
TD's - 3

Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El (combined stats)
Games - 20
Receptions - 36
Yards - 442
Yards Per - 12.4
Long - 52
TD's - 1

[csquared]

Ok against the 9th ranked Carolina D 270 yds 1 td 1 INT while throwing 36 times.Decent. Then he has thrown on the 15th ranked D (IND), 23rd (TB), 25th (AZ), and 30th (US). While his numbers may look good take into account the terrible defenses he is playing. We know all you Cowgirl fans are "Homo" for Romo, but to say he outshines Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or even Drew Brees is absolutely ridiculous.Take this crap over to your board.:dalassuk:

[Green-Is-Good]

To the 'Girl fan:
That was against who? Arizona? Tampa? US?
Carolina beat themselves. The only team Romo beat was Indy.

[esmith1790]

Romo has to be in the top 10 now. Heck on PTI they were even talking about Romo making the ProBowl. Even including the horrible half against the G-men he is the highest rated passer and is completing almost 70% of his passes.