Vision Quest: Fix This Defense!!!!! ...in the Blog!!!

[CNYSkinFan]

I have posted my latest Vision Quest Article in the War Cry blog. You can read it by clicking the link below:

Vision Quest: Fix This Defense!!!!! (http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=358)

and comment on it by posting in this thread.

To the relatives and friends of Gregg Williams, Warrick Holdman, & Carlos Rogers: I apologize ahead of time.

[redskins567]

I have posted my latest Vision Quest Article in the War Cry blog. You can read it by clicking the link below:

Vision Quest: Fix This Defense!!!!! (http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=358)

and comment on it by posting in this thread.

To the relatives and friends of Gregg Williams, Warrick Holdman, & Carlos Rogers: I apologize ahead of time.

Your blog is very true. We were ok in the 1st half on the defensive side of the ball. Then the 2nd half we just collapsed. We got outplayed, outmuscled, and we dont even know how to tackle correctly:banghead:

[danny's stogie]

I agree with most everything, except, suprise, suprise, Danny Smith.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Very ugly and very true. :(

[CNYSkinFan]

I agree with most everything, except, suprise, suprise, Danny Smith.
you don't agree Danny Smith's units have been getting better? You were right they weren't...ride him out on a rail !!!!! :)

[joethefan]

Good read...Very true statements..and hey Dustin I would have rather heard it from you, then Bill Mass....:lol1:


Sp.Teams has been the only good looking thing all season IMO....and that's not saying too much...

[skins67]

I think Wiliams should make these guys do 10-20 down-ups or up-downs depending on where u learned them, for every missed tackle.Mabee he should do a few himself for a reminder of where he'll be coachingif he dosn't get on these guys hindsides.

[shally]

I have posted my latest Vision Quest Article in the War Cry blog. You can read it by clicking the link below:

Vision Quest: Fix This Defense!!!!! (http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=358)

and comment on it by posting in this thread.

To the relatives and friends of Gregg Williams, Warrick Holdman, & Carlos Rogers: I apologize ahead of time.

i could not have said it better.. every sentence resonates with the truth..

all i could add i splay every single young player onthe roster or special teams who has shown even a glimmer of talent or heart.. guys like rocky, golston, monty, sykes, mccune, eubanks, boschetti, and doughty need to be on the field for every play.. until we see if they are the answer or not..

[golongdude]

Good read? Great read!

I have no problems if GW is a goner next year. Don't think it will happen, but I am saying I would have no issues with it. I don't expect the defense to rebound into the top 10 next year. No way. If it can get into the top half, that would be astounding.

[shally]

Good read? Great read!

I have no problems if GW is a goner next year. Don't think it will happen, but I am saying I would have no issues with it. I don't expect the defense to rebound into the top 10 next year. No way. If it can get into the top half, that would be astounding.

while his options are not likely closed after this season, he certainly is not likely to be first choice of every franchise looking for a head coach and not nearly the red hot property he was last year...

[Biggie]

Were are 3-7. We are not making the playoffs.

Warrick Holdman should not be playing.
Vernon Fox should not be playing.
Big Joe, as much as I love the guy, should not be playing. Probably not Griffin either.
Daniels should not be playing.
Lemar Marshall should not be playing.

You know who should be?

Rocky McIntosh.
Reed Doughty.
Kedric Golston.
Anthony Montgomery.
Demetric Evans.
Any of our young linebackers.

Enough with old guys who can't or won't make plays anymore. We need some tough young guys who'll play defense.

[Redskinmayhem]

Were are 3-7. We are not making the playoffs.

Warrick Holdman should not be playing.
Vernon Fox should not be playing.
Big Joe, as much as I love the guy, should not be playing. Probably not Griffin either.
Daniels should not be playing.
Lemar Marshall should not be playing.

You know who should be?

Rocky McIntosh.
Reed Doughty.
Kedric Golston.
Anthony Montgomery.
Demetric Evans.
Any of our young linebackers.

Enough with old guys who can't or won't make plays anymore. We need some tough young guys who'll play defense.

I like your direction but there's a reason these guys (except Rocky) were UFA's or late day 2 picks. Talent. Sure you occasionally find a diamond but Evans is not an every down DE. He's good for spot duty. Clearly the two young DT's got run over for a 3 or 4 game stretch while Joe and Griff were out. Will they improve? Sure, but how much is still up for debate. I personally don't think they're a long term answer. Depth, yes.

Every one talks up Reed Doughty but I still have yet to see anything from him. Maybe I haven't been looking but for me, the jury is still out on him. the linebackers however need to be on the field. Rocky, and anyone else on the PS needs to be activated so we can see what these guys can do.

[shally]

Were are 3-7. We are not making the playoffs.

Warrick Holdman should not be playing.
Vernon Fox should not be playing.
Big Joe, as much as I love the guy, should not be playing. Probably not Griffin either.
Daniels should not be playing.
Lemar Marshall should not be playing.

You know who should be?

Rocky McIntosh.
Reed Doughty.
Kedric Golston.
Anthony Montgomery.
Demetric Evans.
Any of our young linebackers.

Enough with old guys who can't or won't make plays anymore. We need some tough young guys who'll play defense.

i must have posted that same thought a half a dozen times.. let's see what actually happens..

[shally]

I like your direction but there's a reason these guys (except Rocky) were UFA's or late day 2 picks. Talent. Sure you occasionally find a diamond but Evans is not an every down DE. He's good for spot duty. Clearly the two young DT's got run over for a 3 or 4 game stretch while Joe and Griff were out. Will they improve? Sure, but how much is still up for debate. I personally don't think they're a long term answer. Depth, yes.

Every one talks up Reed Doughty but I still have yet to see anything from him. Maybe I haven't been looking but for me, the jury is still out on him. the linebackers however need to be on the field. Rocky, and anyone else on the PS needs to be activated so we can see what these guys can do.

you might be correct, but the "talented" players who are currently manning each of those positions have given up 185 yards rushing in the past week.. there is simply no way any of the above guys could do any worse...

[skinsfan36]

griffin is still banged up hes one player who is the cornerstone of the defense we should play these defensive players though.
monty,golston,sykes,doughty,mccune,rocky,alexander ,eubanks heck play the frickin french man on the ps gardent instead of holdman lol

[shally]

griffin is still banged up hes one player who is the cornerstone of the defense we should play these defensive players though.
monty,golston,sykes,doughty,mccune,rocky,alexander ,eubanks heck play the frickin french man on the ps gardent instead of holdman lol

there was an article inthe post in the last day or so in which daniels and griff went to watch film of the tampa loss immediately upon returning from the game (at least there are some players who obviously still care) and what they saw was that the tampa o line ran to the weak side whenever they needed yardage onthe ground and collapsed carter and holdman to the tune of 7-8 yards a pop.. if they can see it... and we can see it ...why cannot GW see it and do something about it? replace carter with wynn and replace holdman with rocky to start.. go from there..

it has been the same from the very first game against minny.. we cannot stop plays running to opponents weak sides.. it is no mystery.. fix it please !!!!

[Smiley]

We know Greg Williams is a good coach. What's the variable between this year and last year? Players. Someone is not bustng heir arse. They'll pick it up when they get tired of getting busted in the mouth. Hail!

P.S. Mike Sellars is a Redskin.

[shally]

We know Greg Williams is a good coach. What's the variable between this year and last year? Players. Someone is not bustng heir arse. They'll pick it up when they get tired of getting busted in the mouth. Hail!

P.S. Mike Sellars is a Redskin.

maybe not as good as he would like some to believe.. he hand picked the additions to his defense.. and he lost only lavar, clark and harris from last year inthe off season. injuries happen and he is going to have a tough sell blaming just the players for this debacle

[CNYSkinFan]

I like your direction but there's a reason these guys (except Rocky) were UFA's or late day 2 picks. Talent. Sure you occasionally find a diamond but Evans is not an every down DE. He's good for spot duty. Clearly the two young DT's got run over for a 3 or 4 game stretch while Joe and Griff were out. Will they improve? Sure, but how much is still up for debate. I personally don't think they're a long term answer. Depth, yes.

Every one talks up Reed Doughty but I still have yet to see anything from him. Maybe I haven't been looking but for me, the jury is still out on him. the linebackers however need to be on the field. Rocky, and anyone else on the PS needs to be activated so we can see what these guys can do.

But why is Evans not playing more? Evans did pretty well last year and with the year in the tank it is time to see if Evans can man the left side if we release Daniels in the off season.

[skinsfan36]

daniels or wynn are going to be gone? well one or the other especially when we draft a DE FINALLY!

[CNYSkinFan]

I think there is a great chance we release one of them for cap space, and maybe both.

[bgforever]

I think there is a great chance we release one of them for cap space, and maybe both.

I no longer care to keep either. I have seen or er, not seen enough and sentiment because someone likes them isn't getting the job done. Yeah whatever happened to, just getting the job done???

[shally]

But why is Evans not playing more? Evans did pretty well last year and with the year in the tank it is time to see if Evans can man the left side if we release Daniels in the off season.

they are actually using d evans as a tackle !!! because he can move, that is his role...

it was in the post in one of their articles today

[shally]

I no longer care to keep either. I have seen or er, not seen enough and sentiment because someone likes them isn't getting the job done. Yeah whatever happened to, just getting the job done???

wynn, daniels and salavea are all in danger of being released this off season.. we need to get younger and much more athletic at the d end position

[BurgundyNGold]

Were are 3-7. We are not making the playoffs.

Warrick Holdman should not be playing.
Vernon Fox should not be playing.
Big Joe, as much as I love the guy, should not be playing. Probably not Griffin either.
Daniels should not be playing.
Lemar Marshall should not be playing.

You know who should be?

Rocky McIntosh.
Reed Doughty.
Kedric Golston.
Anthony Montgomery.
Demetric Evans.
Any of our young linebackers.

Enough with old guys who can't or won't make plays anymore. We need some tough young guys who'll play defense.
Reed Doughty? I'm not sure he should even be on the team. He strikes me as Archulata without all the skill.

[BurgundyNGold]

wynn, daniels and salavea are all in danger of being released this off season.. we need to get younger and much more athletic at the d end position
Salave'a does just what they ask him to do -- plug the middle. The runs against us haven't come up the middle until late in the game, usually. Our problem is on the edges where Carter gets run upfield, Holdman is a step late and can't fill when he gets there and Marshall is perpetually out of position so he can't get there to help either. We're all far too familiar with the result -- safeties and cornerbacks lead the team in tackles. Those are the first 3 positions that need to be filled in the offseason.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Salave'a does just what they ask him to do -- plug the middle. The runs against us haven't come up the middle until late in the game, usually. Our problem is on the edges where Carter gets run upfield, Holdman is a step late and can't fill when he gets there and Marshall is perpetually out of position so he can't get there to help either. We're all far too familiar with the result -- safeties and cornerbacks lead the team in tackles. Those are the first 3 positions that need to be filled in the offseason.
Didn't we draft a linebacker with the specific purpose to fill the need at outside linebacker? I might be mistaken though...

[shally]

Reed Doughty? I'm not sure he should even be on the team. He strikes me as Archulata without all the skill.

i prefer to hope that he is another sean considine (eagles starting SS) with the same skill package.. he needs to play IMHO

[shally]

Salave'a does just what they ask him to do -- plug the middle. The runs against us haven't come up the middle until late in the game, usually. Our problem is on the edges where Carter gets run upfield, Holdman is a step late and can't fill when he gets there and Marshall is perpetually out of position so he can't get there to help either. We're all far too familiar with the result -- safeties and cornerbacks lead the team in tackles. Those are the first 3 positions that need to be filled in the offseason.

if so, then it will tick me off even further because, other than marshall, the solutions were already on the roster. daniels has been hurt by moving to the opposite side so that carter could have the weakside rush position.. they could have easily moved him back. the WLB could have been filled by rocky before this.. or... since holdman actually looked good in preseason inthe MLB position, they could have tried him there and moved marshall back to his prior WLB position, which he is far better suited for anyway..

yeah, hindsight to be sure.. but this has been a problem from the very first game. we have provided every opponent with the exact same blueprint to run all over us.. clearly meeting the definition of insanity (or at least highly wishfull thinking) by making the same calculus over and over and expecting a different result.. where is any kind of flexibility fromthe defensive coaching staff ?

i am cetain they were likely afraid of offending or confusing the players by doing that.. so what ?? if they are so super smart it would have been a piece of cake. and if they were unhappy, too bad !! they are paid to play, not make personnel decisions.. this all comes down to a failure of leadership of every level onthis team.. yes, gibbs too. it is not enough to take responsibility, he needed to take corrective action. other than yanking brunell about 5 games too late (or 3 seasons too late if you really want my opinion) what has gibbs done other than repeat the same mantra ?
c'mon joe, this is not the way you won 3 superbowls the first time.....

[CNYSkinFan]

Reed Doughty? I'm not sure he should even be on the team. He strikes me as Archulata without all the skill.
Yeah I agree. I think Reed is a body and nothing more. I am not sure why some think he should see the field. We saw nothing in the pre-season that warranted him making the roster let alone the field. I rather see Arch out there.

[CNYSkinFan]

Didn't we draft a linebacker with the specific purpose to fill the need at outside linebacker? I might be mistaken though...
yeah some guy that they named a movie after....name escapes me for some reason...

[skinem]

maybe not as good as he would like some to believe.. he hand picked the additions to his defense.. and he lost only lavar, clark and harris from last year inthe off season. injuries happen and he is going to have a tough sell blaming just the players for this debacle


Talent certainly is big, but, your right on, Lavar was not the roam out of position player before he got hurt in NY, he was solid, unlike what our coaches tried to dope us into believing, Harris leads the league this year in INT's and Clark starts for one of the most demanding D Coaches in the league in BC. Williams to me is much more of a "player" problem than Saunders. I just wish some would understand Williams had ALOT of Defensive talent in Buffalo when he coached there and would stop hyping his scheme. We need Talent that has fair unbiased coaching.

[jtovb2005]

Reed Doughty? I'm not sure he should even be on the team. He strikes me as Archulata without all the skill.

Doughty was burned a good bit in preseason and a few plays this year. He is young though, they must see something in him to have kept him around. Remember he was hurt or had a family emergency around the final cut time. Gibbs let him go home and miss some time.

Evans has been around for a year or 2 and has played but can't crack the starting lineup. I have to think he is as posted earlier a role player, wish he was not but a couple of games where he got alot of playing time he did not standout. Those are the guys we need and the ones that make an impact if you ask me. Guys that make an impact when they play.

We really do need some new exciting blood on the DL. The current ones as a whole just ain't doing it anymore and I don't see a big enough change in that with them in the future. To progress as a team we really need a change there.

[meloveskinslongtime]

2 years ago our record was bad because of a horrible defense despite a great defense. then last year, our defense slipped a little but our offense ot considerably better. This year, our defense sucks and our offense isnt much better. its just frustrating to see the up and down of this team. Next year, i really think our offense will pick up with an experienced Campbell and a return of a healthy portis. However, i have no idea where this defense is gonna go. Some key guys are only gonna get older and its gonna be hard to plug in new people and get more production. This defense has been so frustrating to watch because we all know we can be better. I just hope we can turn it around.

[shally]

Doughty was burned a good bit in preseason and a few plays this year. He is young though, they must see something in him to have kept him around. Remember he was hurt or had a family emergency around the final cut time. Gibbs let him go home and miss some time.

Evans has been around for a year or 2 and has played but can't crack the starting lineup. I have to think he is as posted earlier a role player, wish he was not but a couple of games where he got alot of playing time he did not standout. Those are the guys we need and the ones that make an impact if you ask me. Guys that make an impact when they play.

We really do need some new exciting blood on the DL. The current ones as a whole just ain't doing it anymore and I don't see a big enough change in that with them in the future. To progress as a team we really need a change there.

doughty is smart and likes to hit.. the questions with him will be about speed and athleticism

[Meatsnack]

Reed Doughty has to get good enough to play Teams every week. If he can be as good on Teams as Ade Jimoh, he will have been worth his draft pick.

[shally]

Reed Doughty has to get good enough to play Teams every week. If he can be as good on Teams as Ade Jimoh, he will have been worth his draft pick.

i am okay with that..i am not okay with fox starting in our defense...

[redskin_rich]

i am okay with that..i am not okay with fox starting in our defense...
Arch has been scapegoated and is firmly entrenched in Gregg Williams doghouse. GW was asked why Fox played and GW explained it that they need to look at everybody. Total BS. If that was the case, why is Carter and Holdman still getting all the playing time on the weakside, when every opponent is successfully running at will to that side?

[bgforever]

Arch has been scapegoated and is firmly entrenched in Gregg Williams doghouse. GW was asked why Fox played and GW explained it that they need to look at everybody. Total BS. If that was the case, why is Carter and Holdman still getting all the playing time on the weakside, when every opponent is successfully running at will to that side?


See that's why I keep coming back here, because I can be righted on my ship :) than staying on the emotional roller coaster the team has sent me on. if it's my test as a fan, then I failed miserably to hold it together to figure out what's wrong. Welll they certainly don't pay me to do a thing do they?? so me getting all out of shape is on me. I can remain a fan and :cry: not knowing who, what and where, NORMALLY. But its cases like AA's that has me torn. I still don't see what he does in pass coverage to make him BETTER over time. I just don't. That was why they probably put FOX in, but he proved nothing either.

Truth is. They need to keep AA or somehow get a trade. Sorry , ok not sorry, for stepping on toes, but if AA can't cover the pass like we NEED, we need to get someone who can. If we cant', then expect a similar look in the secondary next year. I never thought AA would be that great at Safety, but I also didnt' think he be that bad either. I can't see him as a scapegoat, no more than I see Daniels or Carter as one on the D Line. Like AA, at least Daniels can do some other things, but is is it enough to keep them as starters??

Because of their contracts, its too much for so little!