Is Adam Archuletta Getting a bad Rap?

[joethefan]

I know you're saying JTF, you are losing you mind. But read my entire post before you comment.

But I would like to discuss this. Here's my point.

This is how I feel. Yes, he gave up some big plays. Yes he can't cover his eyes. But wouldn't you take more money if you knew how to change oil and you may not know how to change tires but you're willing to learn? And Based on the money someone is offering, You wouldn't take the lout?

Remember the Skins called him. And I like to look at things from both sides to get clarity. Because we as fans get upset at the player for not doing his assignment. But what about the coaches knowing what his strengths are and playing to that so that in the long run you're getting the Bang for your Buck

Remember players play best when they are utilized to thier strengths. I don't feel that he's been used properly...and GW is at fault because he would not have gone after him if he hadn't treid to convince him and Adam didn't agree that it was doable. They showed Adam thier defensive schemes, he liked what he saw. He signed...we should not be mad at him, we should be upset at the coaching staff for this decision.

It clear that GW won't give the guy a chance to redeem himself and that's a problem when many times ST makes more than 1 mistake in a game and he protects him. What we should be upset at, is the fact that they hawked him...they were the ones that took him out on the town. i would always pull a kid when he's not doing well in a game, but to not give him a chance to redeem himself, is just not good coaching and it sends a wrong message to the fans..that you are admitting by your lack of scouting and body lanquage, that you can't see see past the guys faults, and that you made a mistake. Is it his fault that the safties and the corners allegedly don't meet?

And technically you have a ruined player, and the organization, media and fans, know it. That I don't like....remember you put him back in the secondary where he struggles to cover TE's as opposed to up towards the line where he makes plays.....sounds fishy to me.

So who should get the bad rap....player or coaches?...

[RedskinsDave]

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault, not Arch's. :rolleyes:

[smoak]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I am mad at GW for wanting to bring AA here and I am mad at AA for being a useless jerk.

[joethefan]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I am mad at GW for wanting to bring AA here and I am mad at AA for being a useless jerk.


Smoak how his he a useless jerk?...I think it was clear that he couldn't cover I think they tried to get a NAME bigger than Ryan Clark to show HIM a thing or TWO and now it backfired....

[smoak]

Smoak how his he a useless jerk?...I think it was clear that he couldn't cover I think they tried to get a NAME bigger than Ryan Clark to show HIM a thing or TWO and now it backfired....

He is useless b/c he is lost on the field (and not just on passing plays) and he is a jerk b/c he publicly whined about his role with the team (through his agent).

IOt isn't like we are asking him to be a shut down corner.

[joethefan]

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault, not Arch's. :rolleyes:
I'm not saying he doesn't carry some of the responsibilty but remember haven't we had this problem with throwing money at mediocre players and expect them to be the Saviors.....

It's not like this hasn't happened before guys getting alot of money and not living up to the hype.....so now why is it that it is different?.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

I am mad at GW for wanting to bring AA here and I am mad at AA for being a useless jerk.

Late in the first half, Adam Archuleta couldn't block Adam Seward, who got a hand on Derrick Frost's punt. I guess he struggles playing on special teams too. So sad, 10 mill for nothing.

[fent]

I'm not saying he doesn't carry some of the responsibilty but remember haven't we had this problem with throwing money at mediocre players and expect them to be the Saviors.....

It's not like this hasn't happened before guys getting alot of money and not living up to the hype.....so now why is it that it is different?.

and we all think the same things of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, etc.

[hail2skins]

Smoak how his he a useless jerk?...I think it was clear that he couldn't cover I think they tried to get a NAME bigger than Ryan Clark to show HIM a thing or TWO and now it backfired....I think the "getting a NAME bigger than" is absurd.

[guinness4health]

Smoak how his he a useless jerk?...I think it was clear that he couldn't cover I think they tried to get a NAME bigger than Ryan Clark to show HIM a thing or TWO and now it backfired....

I think that the real problem is that they were expected sean taylor to be able to become the secondary leader...and it doesn't look like he was ready....

second off it seems that they misjudged the best way to play with taylor....he has been getting beat on the double moves this year (in large part because he is looking for the knock-out hit...which I am not complaining about)

but the last couple of games taylor has been positioned closer to the line of scrimmage and seems to be playing more like a traditional strong safety.....

if that is the case the biggest mistake of the defensive staff was seeking a second big hitter in the secondary rather than looking for a more cerebral player (which ryan clark was, which vincent has been, which fox did a good job with this week)....

our mistake was not moving taylor to the strong safety and looking for a Free Safety or resigning ryan clark to be our free safety...

BUT to get back to your question.....
what the defensive staff is doing is in excuseable..... they are situations that arch's skills would be valuable.... inparticular what about the 3 safety sets we used a ton last year....

arch can be effective blitzing and with run support, you have got to find a way to intergrate him into the gameplan... it does not body any good for him to just sit there...

[garedskin]

I know you're saying JTF, you are losing you mind. But read my entire post before you comment.

But I would like to discuss this. Here's my point.

This is how I feel. Yes, he gave up some big plays. Yes he can't cover his eyes. But wouldn't you take more money if you knew how to change oil and you may not know how to change tires but you're willing to learn? And Based on the money someone is offering, You wouldn't take the lout?

Remember the Skins called him. And I like to look at things from both sides to get clarity. Because we as fans get upset at the player for not doing his assignment. But what about the coaches knowing what his strengths are and playing to that so that in the long run you're getting the Bang for your Buck

Remember players play best when they are utilized to thier strengths. I don't feel that he's been used properly...and GW is at fault because he would not have gone after him if he hadn't treid to convince him and Adam didn't agree that it was doable. They showed Adam thier defensive schemes, he liked what he saw. He signed...we should not be mad at him, we should be upset at the coaching staff for this decision.

It clear that GW won't give the guy a chance to redeem himself and that's a problem when many times ST makes more than 1 mistake in a game and he protects him. What we should be upset at, is the fact that they hawked him...they were the ones that took him out on the town. i would always pull a kid when he's not doing well in a game, but to not give him a chance to redeem himself, is just not good coaching and it sends a wrong message to the fans..that you are admitting by your lack of scouting and body lanquage, that you can't see see past the guys faults, and that you made a mistake. Is it his fault that the safties and the corners allegedly don't meet?

And technically you have a ruined player, and the organization, media and fans, know it. That I don't like....remember you put him back in the secondary where he struggles to cover TE's as opposed to up towards the line where he makes plays.....sounds fishy to me.

So who should get the bad rap....player or coaches?...


I say it is the players fault.He was from what I understand the ONLY player to stay away from redskin park during the off season.HE DECIDED TO STAY OUT WEST in the desert some where and stay fit.That was fine,he came to camp in great shape, but it seems he did not study HIS NEW defensive scheme PLAY BOOK.He was going to play in IT.I have read that it is a complex read indeed.He might have helped his cause if he had spent his off season at redskin park with his new coach's/team mates learning exactly what his actual role was going to be in the scheme of it all.Hell he had 31 million reasons too just that.Now he looks like an idiot playing special teams.He will blame the coach's/organization what ever.I have heard many a player and coach say that the NFL is 10% physical and 90% mental. Well he got at least 10% of it right before camp.:Peace:

[greatest2]

arch played decent in cover 2 at st. louis, what happened here? why is he blowing it here? yea its the coachs, plus the players, as said earlier it is both!

uh, the most expensive personal protector ever in the league, and we still had a punt blocked:banghead:

[joethefan]

I think the "getting a NAME bigger than" is absurd.

Well it's not like they tried to keep the guy that did well in the scheme.

[X-Factor13]

Joe i think you make a lot of points. The reason, I think, that arch has been a failure so far is because Clark was a good coverage safety who couldn't really help on the run. Our answer to losing him was to get a safety who could stop the run, but not really help on the pass much.


Now, as a safety, what is the number one responsibily? I first place blame on the FO who signed him thinking they filled a need, because by filling one need, they opened another one we couldn't afford to have. I also place blame on AA, but only to a certain extent, for not becoming the player we wanted him to become. Next I put blame on the coaches for completely abandoning him and throwing him to the wolves after his faults were realized. It's extremely stupid of us to pay this guy so muc and then say "OH! Well there goes another 10 million dollar player!", like he's complete garbage.

Lastly, i place blame on myself, because i wanted to sign him. All i saw were the highlights of him making plays with fumbles and fumble returns and hard hits. I think a lot of us were fooled by those highlights.

[joethefan]

arch played decent in cover 2 at st. louis, what happened here? why is he blowing it here? yea its the coachs, plus the players, as said earlier it is both!

uh, the most expensive personal protector ever in the league, and we still had a punt blocked:banghead:

mike sellers already admitted that it was his fault...not arche's

[redskin_rich]

Signing Arch was a terrible move, as he obviously doesn't fit this defense. Theres plenty of blame to go around but ultimately, it was GW that wanted him and now refuses to use him, so it starts there.
I expect Arch to be released, costing us a ton of dead cap space, and he will go to Chicago, to reunite with Lovie Smith. Then, he'll probably make the Pro Bowl. Trotter, anyone..?

[CNYSkinFan]

Signing Arch was a terrible move, as he obviously doesn't fit this defense. Theres plenty of blame to go around but ultimately, it was GW that wanted him and now refuses to use him, so it starts there.
I expect Arch to be released, costing us a ton of dead cap space, and he will go to Chicago, to reunite with Lovie Smith. Then, he'll probably make the Pro Bowl. Trotter, anyone..?
I just dpn't see how we release him unless we do it after June 1. I do think there is a provision in the CBA that allows for an early released player's cap hit to be the same as if after June 1. A team gets one of those a year. Perhaps Arch qualifies for that.

[greatest2]

mike sellers already admitted that it was his fault...not arche's

bro, he is the last man before the punter, and supposed to chip anybody who gets through. normally nobody does, but mike got beat, why didn't arch at least chipp the guy. i was at the game and i saw that up close....

sure mike got beat, but arch is there for that reason....anyway isnt it sick that we are talkin about a 10 mil signin bonus and 30 million overall on special teams plays....regardless of whos fault it is, we need to find a way to fix it now

[shally]

Late in the first half, Adam Archuleta couldn't block Adam Seward, who got a hand on Derrick Frost's punt. I guess he struggles playing on special teams too. So sad, 10 mill for nothing.

amen.. how does he justify that miss?

[joethefan]

bro, he is the last man before the punter, and supposed to chip anybody who gets through. normally nobody does, but mike got beat, why didn't arch at least chipp the guy. i was at the game and i saw that up close....

sure mike got beat, but arch is there for that reason....anyway isnt it sick that we are talkin about a 10 mil signin bonus and 30 million overall on special teams plays....regardless of whos fault it is, we need to find a way to fix it now

Well mabe GW can come off his high horse and allow the guy to play back the confidence of his teammates..IMO....not to shut him out...remember we're family...as everyone says...or are we

[shally]

when journeyman v fox can "get it" and play adequate safety i have zero
hesitancy to listen to any excuses from arch..

his pass coverage skins are non existent

let fox continue to play and work doughty into the mix as well

[smoak]

Well mabe GW can come off his high horse and allow the guy to play back the confidence of his teammates..IMO....not to shut him out...remember we're family...as everyone says...or are we

I'd be fine with AA getting back into the lineup, but that doesn't mean he is not resonsible for his poor play.

[GWBlitzST]

I liken Adam Archuleta to Rudy. A great story, I just don't want him starting on my team. Or playing at all, for that matter.

[joethefan]

bro, he is the last man before the punter, and supposed to chip anybody who gets through. normally nobody does, but mike got beat, why didn't arch at least chipp the guy. i was at the game and i saw that up close....

sure mike got beat, but arch is there for that reason....anyway isnt it sick that we are talkin about a 10 mil signin bonus and 30 million overall on special teams plays....regardless of whos fault it is, we need to find a way to fix it now


it should be sick that no one knew he couldn't cover befire he signed the contract....IMO...blame the FO for this remember Ryan Clark was too high so you go and make a guy the highest paid safety in the league beifre he proved himself in your scheme....dummies

[CNYSkinFan]

when journeyman v fox can "get it" and play adequate safety i have zero
hesitancy to listen to any excuses from arch..

his pass coverage skins are non existent

let fox continue to play and work doughty into the mix as well
Shally your man crush on Doughty is nearing the extet of my man crush on Arch last April lol

Seriously Doughty did nothing in pre-season to give me any confidence about him as an NFL safety. He was worse the Arch.

I still contend Arch was NEVER used properly and it was a mistake to bring him in to the Skins if we were never going to tailor our system to suit our players. Is it Arch's mistake to accept such a big contract? No. Players like money...big surprise there. he wanted to go to Chicago and in hinsight probably should have. But when Redskin one comes rolling to town and Snyder is there with a bagful of money and you knopw you only have so many years to make that kind of money in the NFL, you take it.

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league, he will be again. If GW likes Fox, fine, stick with the guy that is helping you win. But to pretend this is all Arch's fault is ridiculous. If we took Clinton Portis and decided to line him up at wide receiver would we be as mad if he dropped passes all the time? No we would say he is out of position. So is Arch.

Arch is the proto-typical strong safety. Williams system does not use a strong and free safety and expects both of it's safety to be equally good in run and pass support. There are very few players who can do that. The frustrating part is we already learned this lesson from Matt Bowen and yet we made the mistake AGAIn to the tune of 10 million in SB and cap space.

Some day our FO and coaching staff will learn.

[joethefan]

I'd be fine with AA getting back into the lineup, but that doesn't mean he is not resonsible for his poor play.

for the money he's making, if you don't find a way for him to play, you'll be even more exposed as a coach because with him not being in their you're admitting your mistake....

[joethefan]

Shally your man crush on Doughty is nearing the extet of my man crush on Arch last April lol

Seriously Doughty did nothing in pre-season to give me any confidence about him as an NFL safety. He was worse the Arch.

I still contend Arch was NEVER used properly and it was a mistake to bring him in to the Skins if we were never going to tailor our system to suit our players. Is it Arch's mistake to accept such a big contract? No. Players like money...big surprise there. he wanted to go to Chicago and in hinsight probably should have. But when Redskin one comes rolling to town and Snyder is there with a bagful of money and you knopw you only have so many years to make that kind of money in the NFL, you take it.

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league, he will be again. If GW likes Fox, fine, stick with the guy that is helping you win. But to pretend this is all Arch's fault is ridiculous. If we took Clinton Portis and decided to line him up at wide receiver would we be as mad if he dropped passes all the time? No we would say he is out of position. So is Arch.

Arch is the proto-typical strong safety. Williams system does not use a strong and free safety and expects both of it's safety to be equally good in run and pass support. There are very few players who can do that. The frustrating part is we already learned this lesson from Matt Bowen and yet we made the mistake AGAIn to the tune of 10 million in SB and cap space.

Some day our FO and coaching staff will learn.


I agree...

[RedskinsDave]

it should be sick that no one knew he couldn't cover befire he signed the contract....IMO...blame the FO for this remember Ryan Clark was too high so you go and make a guy the highest paid safety in the league beifre he proved himself in your scheme....dummies

Most people knew he couldn't cover. It was in almost every article about the signing.

[GWBlitzST]

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league, he will be again.Im sorry, but I have to call shennannigans on that one.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Shally your man crush on Doughty is nearing the extet of my man crush on Arch last April lol

Seriously Doughty did nothing in pre-season to give me any confidence about him as an NFL safety. He was worse the Arch.

I still contend Arch was NEVER used properly and it was a mistake to bring him in to the Skins if we were never going to tailor our system to suit our players. Is it Arch's mistake to accept such a big contract? No. Players like money...big surprise there. he wanted to go to Chicago and in hinsight probably should have. But when Redskin one comes rolling to town and Snyder is there with a bagful of money and you knopw you only have so many years to make that kind of money in the NFL, you take it.

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league, he will be again. If GW likes Fox, fine, stick with the guy that is helping you win. But to pretend this is all Arch's fault is ridiculous. If we took Clinton Portis and decided to line him up at wide receiver would we be as mad if he dropped passes all the time? No we would say he is out of position. So is Arch.

Arch is the proto-typical strong safety. Williams system does not use a strong and free safety and expects both of it's safety to be equally good in run and pass support. There are very few players who can do that. The frustrating part is we already learned this lesson from Matt Bowen and yet we made the mistake AGAIn to the tune of 10 million in SB and cap space.

Some day our FO and coaching staff will learn.

I'm w/you on that. Not a smart move by our FO. :banghead:

[RedskinsDave]

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league

None of the players we signed this past offseason ever went to the Pro Bowl.

[BandWagon]

I think you're on to something, but I doubt we'll find it. The conventional wisdom here almost seems to suggest there's no such thing as tape or film. If he has such glaring deficiencies, I find it hard to believe we'd bring him in here having not seen tape on the guy. We know they studied tape. So that begs the question "Did the guy playing here, this year, totally collapse on us?" If these weaknesses are on tape, the next question is "Why did we bring him in?". If the answer to the first is "yes" then AA deserves all the criticism. If it's "no" and the answer to number 2 is "yes" then JTF is correct. He's getting a bad rap, because the coaches tried to put him a position that he can't perform at OR they simply made a horrible mistake.

[meloveskinslongtime]

the mistakes are on both sides. however one side is significantly louder than the other. Therefore, the coaching staff has turned him into a scapegoat. theres no way that he can be this bad. theres definitely a way to use him, the coaches know this and so does he. i think theres a lot of bad blood between them that need to be addressed.

[joethefan]

the mistakes are on both sides. however one side is significantly louder than the other. Therefore, the coaching staff has turned him into a scapegoat. theres no way that he can be this bad. theres definitely a way to use him, the coaches know this and so does he. i think theres a lot of bad blood between them that need to be addressed.

they'd better get it together soon..cause someone will clean house. meaning Gregg and his chronies will be outa here if they don't fix thier internal differences. And remember losing also assists in the problem as well.

[dj_stouty]

He is useless b/c he is lost on the field (and not just on passing plays) and he is a jerk b/c he publicly whined about his role with the team (through his agent).

IOt isn't like we are asking him to be a shut down corner.

I don't believe this is fact, at least not yet.

[esmith1790]

if the coaches are not using him properly then should he just say Hey Coach dont put me in now cause i cant cover a TE 1on1 and will get beat and I dont want be the scapegoat. I want you to only put me in a position to suceed.

The player does what the coach tells him to do and hopefully the coach does it right.

[joethefan]

if the coaches are not using him properly then should he just say Hey Coach dont put me in now cause i cant cover a TE 1on1 and will get beat and I dont want be the scapegoat.



are you serious?...that's called being insubordinate

[frankez99]

Hey....Arch did do one thing right...he let Witten beat him so that Dallas could attempt that field goal that Vincent blocked. That was good, right?:rolleyes:

There is still hope for Arch....not this season though.

I think Andre Carter has been a bigger disappointment (not financially, of course). Dig this:

Barring 2004, where he was injured, his sack totals have gone down from 12.5, to 6.5, to 2.5....

to 2 this season.

He is the big speed rushing DE we were looking for?

Sheeese.:banghead:

[esmith1790]

are you serious?...that's called being insubordinate


well i am just saying.. maybe i read the original post wrong, it seemed that the coaches were putting him in bad spots and when he failed everyone was all over AA, then the coaches thru him under the bus for failing even though it was a bad situation. Does the fan take that into consideration?

[X-Factor13]

Shally your man crush on Doughty is nearing the extet of my man crush on Arch last April lol

Seriously Doughty did nothing in pre-season to give me any confidence about him as an NFL safety. He was worse the Arch.

I still contend Arch was NEVER used properly and it was a mistake to bring him in to the Skins if we were never going to tailor our system to suit our players. Is it Arch's mistake to accept such a big contract? No. Players like money...big surprise there. he wanted to go to Chicago and in hinsight probably should have. But when Redskin one comes rolling to town and Snyder is there with a bagful of money and you knopw you only have so many years to make that kind of money in the NFL, you take it.

Arch was a pro bowl player in this league, he will be again. If GW likes Fox, fine, stick with the guy that is helping you win. But to pretend this is all Arch's fault is ridiculous. If we took Clinton Portis and decided to line him up at wide receiver would we be as mad if he dropped passes all the time? No we would say he is out of position. So is Arch.

Arch is the proto-typical strong safety. Williams system does not use a strong and free safety and expects both of it's safety to be equally good in run and pass support. There are very few players who can do that. The frustrating part is we already learned this lesson from Matt Bowen and yet we made the mistake AGAIn to the tune of 10 million in SB and cap space.

Some day our FO and coaching staff will learn.



Took the words right out of my mouth, as you often do

[joethefan]

well i am just saying.. maybe i read the original post wrong, it seemed that the coaches were putting him in bad spots and when he failed everyone was all over AA, then the coaches thru him under the bus for failing even though it was a bad situation.

They should not have even placed him there to be unsuccessful....stupid IMO..

[skinsfan36]

any chance arch will want to walk away after the season and give money back to go to the bears

[bgforever]

He is useless b/c he is lost on the field (and not just on passing plays) and he is a jerk b/c he publicly whined about his role with the team (through his agent).

IOt isn't like we are asking him to be a shut down corner.

Fox and Vincent have sealed Archuletta's fate as a starting Safety with the Redskins. Vincent's expertise and leadership, renewed Sean Taylor's spirit, I believe and Fox has the quickness, presence of mind and agility for the other side of Taylor.

Archuletta is a tweener and GW's gamble crapped out. AA's best bet in the off season , is to bulk up and challenge for a backup role as a WLB, and emergency Safety in depth, as well as play a truckload of teams, where he can actually SHINE.

[redwolf1218]

this morning Cooley had his weekly interview on the Elliot in the Morning radio show. Elliot asked him about Arch, and Cooley said he told Arch that he has the easiest job around, because he only covers punts now. he said "that's about $500,000 per punt". but he didnt sound like he was being malicious, just giving him a hard time. he said that Arch absolutely hates it and feels terrible about it. his exact words were "it's killing him".

[BandWagon]

this morning Cooley had his weekly interview on the Elliot in the Morning radio show. Elliot asked him about Arch, and Cooley said he told Arch that he has the easiest job around, because he only covers punts now. he said "that's about $500,000 per punt". but he didnt sound like he was being malicious, just giving him a hard time. he said that Arch absolutely hates it and feels terrible about it. his exact words were "it's killing him".
Did he ask him about Christy? "my Christy"?

[redwolf1218]

Did he ask him about Christy? "my Christy"?
actually, he did ask him! is that the girl Cooley is dating? he said she likes the white pants, but Cooley likes the burgundy because they "make me look thinner, and faster even". it was funny, Cooley has a good sense of humor. i cant remember the name exactly, but if that's the girl Cooley is dating, they talk about her almost every week in one way or another.

[dj_stouty]

Fox and Vincent have sealed Archuletta's fate as a starting Safety with the Redskins. Vincent's expertise and leadership, renewed Sean Taylor's spirit, I believe and Fox has the quickness, presence of mind and agility for the other side of Taylor.

I think it is waaaaay too soon to annoint Fox as anything right now. Everyone points to his interception yesterday, but people forget that he was the safety that missed the tackle on the Deangelo 28 yard running play.

We saw some good and bad from Fox. Lets see him continue to get better before we celebrate.

[smoak]

for the money he's making, if you don't find a way for him to play, you'll be even more exposed as a coach because with him not being in their you're admitting your mistake....

??? I'd much rather have the coaching staff admit their mistakes then let the guy ruin the team?

[joethefan]

??? I'd much rather have the coaching staff admit their mistakes then let the guy ruin the team?


how is he ruining the team?...If they put him in a position to make plays and he doesn't then I'll say bench him but how many times have we seen arch up to the line this year...and be honest i would say maybe 4 times for me....IMO...and remember he was playing in their without a starting corner, leading to problems all in the secondary....so in my opinion he is being made the scapegoat....he never really played after springs came back..so technically they were already playing without a full deck so did they expect him to take up the slack of Springs being out and Rogers playing without confindence?...

[RedskinsDave]

how is he ruining the team?...If they put him in a position to make plays and he doesn't then I'll say bench him but how many times have we seen arch up to the line this year...and be honest i would say maybe 4 times for me....IMO...and remember he was playing in their without a starting corner, leading to problems all in the secondary....so in my opinion he is being made the scapegoat....he never really played after springs came back..so technically they were already playing without a full deck so did they expect him to take up the slack of Springs being out and Rogers playing without confindence?...

Okay Joe, we get it. It is not Arch's fault. It's the coaches, the scheme, other player's injuries, etc., etc.

[LATrueRedskin]

I agree that Archuleta is getting a pretty bad rap in all of this, but he's not playing very good either. I find it hard to believe that Archuleta is the reason the entire defense has dropped from 9th to 30th. Sure he didn't help one bit, but I think it's a shame he's been singled out when our linebackers haven't been making plays at all.

[Redskinmayhem]

I agree that Archuleta is getting a pretty bad rap in all of this, but he's not playing very good either. I find it hard to believe that Archuleta is the reason the entire defense has dropped from 9th to 30th. Sure he didn't help one bit, but I think it's a shame he's been singled out when our linebackers haven't been making plays at all.


agreed, to pin it all on AA is bogus but for him not to take his fair share of the blame is also wrong. The guy is just playing way below what we paid. It's a little of everything.

Can somone tell me what the next closest offers for AA and ACarter were? It just seems like we waaaaay overpay and then expectations are waaaaay higher than they should be. I know....NEWS FLASH right? Welcome to 2001. But seriously, I don't mean to take any blame off AA and ACarter. They need to step it waaay up. Especially AA.

[Meatsnack]

According to the Washington Post, Archuletta was not intended to start the season at Safety, that was Prioleau's job until Archuletta had internalized more of the defense. When Pearson got injured right away, the big money player had to play before the coaches wee ready to have him out there, esp. in coverage.

My guess, without a shred of fact to back it up, is that the initial "packages" installed for Arch were situational 46 use(read extra Will LB) like Buddy Ryan used to use Doug Plank "#46" his starting SS and the eponymous member of the 46 defense.

The inference is from 1) this is what Arch is good at 2) GW is a Ryan desciple who wanted more effective pass rush 3) Arch's lack of coverage skills were evident before the signing and neither Gibbs nor Williams is retarded. The simultaneous lack of Springs and Prioleau, the regression of Rogers and the less-than ingrained nature of the GW defense in Arch's brain made a "perfect storm" to expose Archuletta. Then it snowballed. I worry now that Arch is damaged goods. I would like to keep him around another season to see if he can play as originally envisioned when we signed him. I just don't know if he can play for Williams at this point. Arch has sculpted himself into a world class athlete by sheer force of will. If that will is damaged and he is left questioning his abilities, he's done.

[joethefan]

According to the Washington Post, Archuletta was not intended to start the season at Safety, that was Prioleau's job until Archuletta had internalized more of the defense. When Pearson got injured right away, the big money player had to play before the coaches wee ready to have him out there, esp. in coverage.

My guess, without a shred of fact to back it up, is that the initial "packages" installed for Arch were situational 46 use(read extra Will LB) like Buddy Ryan used to use Doug Plank "#46" his starting SS and the eponymous member of the 46 defense.

The inference is from 1) this is what Arch is good at 2) GW is a Ryan desciple who wanted more effective pass rush 3) Arch's lack of coverage skills were evident before the signing and neither Gibbs nor Williams is retarded. The simultaneous lack of Springs and Prioleau, the regression of Rogers and the less-than ingrained nature of the GW defense in Arch's brain made a "perfect storm" to expose Archuletta. Then it snowballed. I worry now that Arch is damaged goods. I would like to keep him around another season to see if he can play as originally envisioned when we signed him. I just don't know if he can play for Williams at this point. Arch has sculpted himself into a world class athlete by sheer force of will. If that will is damaged and he is left questioning his abilities, he's done.

now having learned this, after the Wash.Post made their discovery, do we still want to throw the guy away knowing he wasn't ready?...

[smoak]

now having learned this, after the Wash.Post made their discovery, do we still want to throw the guy away knowing he wasn't ready?...

I know I am in favor of him earning more playing time in practice... But I trust the coaching staff completely. If he is benched, there is a reason and I am in full support of their decisions.

[stonebraker]

now having learned this, after the Wash.Post made their discovery, do we still want to throw the guy away knowing he wasn't ready?...

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[joethefan]

No, it's completely Archuleta's fault, he shouldn't have taken all the money we offered him. What a "useless jerk". :rolleyes

well i tell you what, If another agency offered me twice as much money than I'm making here, but only for me to learn two new tasks...You think I'm not gonna take the money...c'mon be reasonable.....

be mad at the staff for offering him that and whining and dining him.

[joethefan]

Only if you're a mod of hR.com...

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I haven't taken a poll of the Hr Mods....maybe you should do that..

[dj_stouty]

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What does this mean?

[RedskinsDave]

well i tell you what, If another agency offered me twice as much money than I'm making here, but only for me to learn two new tasks...You think I'm not gonna take the money...c'mon be reasonable.....

be mad at the staff for offering him that and whining and dining him.

Unintentional humor is the best!

[RedskinsDave]

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It's possible that you are right....that you're actually 13.

[GibbsFan]

Arch was more than solid b4 coming to Washington. He will be again if we cut him loose. I'm actually in favor of keeping Arch and cutting the egomaniac Williams loose because of his inflexability and lack of adjustments this year. When you have corners backed off 7-10 yards on 3rd and 2 you can't expect to stop anybody. Afterall, its his Defense or what is purported to be one. I'll give credit for a solid game last week, but this crap went on way too long and GW is the man responsible even if he ducks under a rock.

[joethefan]

Arch was more than solid b4 coming to Washington. He will be again if we cut him loose. I'm actually in favor of keeping Arch and cutting the egomaniac Williams loose because of his inflexability and lack of adjustments this year. When you have corners backed off 7-10 yards on 3rd and 2 you can't expect to stop anybody. Afterall, its his Defense or what is purported to be one. I'll give credit for a solid game last week, but this crap went on way too long and GW is the man responsible even if he ducks under a rock.

I would only say let GW go only if his ego has overtaken the want to coach players and need to make adjustments. and his ego is so high that we continue to let core players outa here.....need I go down the list...

[shally]

I would only say let GW go only if his ego has overtaken the want to coach players and need to make adjustments. and his ego is so high that we continue to let core players outa here.....need I go down the list...

ego is not the issue.. performance of the defense is the only issue.. when martz and billick are winning ego is no big deal. when they are not, it is a huge issue.. this is a bottom line business and that is all that should count
with williams

[GWBlitzST]

To Arch's credit, he did most of his playing when the safeties and corners weren't meeting together, and he and Kenny Wright were new to the system. I know he had all offseason to figure it out, but if you're not on the same page, you're not on the same page. Our defense is good enough to play without the complex packages they try to run. Just rush the front four and let people make plays. Archuleta's gotta go, though. And Sean Taylor doesn't like him, seems to me.

[joethefan]

Archuleta's gotta go, though. And Sean Taylor doesn't like him, seems to me.

Sean looked more like the Sean of old this past Sunday..IMO....Arch will have to play better but he also should be used as a hybrid LB IMO that playes closer to the Line...to rush the passer and stop the run.

[hail2skins]

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[stonebraker]

It's possible that you are right....that you're actually 13.

I'm 13, so I can't contribute to this thread with posts as helpful as

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault, not Arch's. :rolleyes:

and
I am mad at AA for being a useless jerk.
:rolleyes:


Ever since Gibbs and co. came back, our personnel decisions have been great; the few exceptions are Mike Barrow, and David Patten, and one could easily make a case for Mark Brunell. Regardless, don't you think it'd be appropriate to wait until the completion of at least a full season before we start chasing archuleta/fauria/carter out of town? Granted, I realize most people on this website have access to NFL Film cameras of every game, and break down the film on Redskins games every day, but let's leave some things to the coaches and Front O.

Or maybe it is all archuleta's fault... he should know not to listen to Steven Jackson's coaching technique.

[dj_stouty]

Granted, I realize most people on this website have access to NFL Film cameras of every game, and break down the film on Redskins games every day, but let's leave some things to the coaches and Front O.

You didn't receive this week's batch of game film? Interesting...

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I know he gave up some big pass plays, with no corners, but he was 2nd on the team in tackles when they pulled him out of the line up.

[RedskinsDave]

I'm 13, so I can't contribute to this thread with posts as helpful as


and

:rolleyes:


Ever since Gibbs and co. came back, our personnel decisions have been great; the few exceptions are Mike Barrow, and David Patten, and one could easily make a case for Mark Brunell. Regardless, don't you think it'd be appropriate to wait until the completion of at least a full season before we start chasing archuleta/fauria/carter out of town? Granted, I realize most people on this website have access to NFL Film cameras of every game, and break down the film on Redskins games every day, but let's leave some things to the coaches and Front O.

Or maybe it is all archuleta's fault... he should know not to listen to Steven Jackson's coaching technique.

Or maybe you need to put down your "How to be a douche on a chat board" handbook and read the rest of the posts where the same posters you quoted went into more detail.

[smoak]

I'm 13, so I can't contribute to this thread with posts as helpful as


and

:rolleyes:


Ever since Gibbs and co. came back, our personnel decisions have been great; the few exceptions are Mike Barrow, and David Patten, and one could easily make a case for Mark Brunell. Regardless, don't you think it'd be appropriate to wait until the completion of at least a full season before we start chasing archuleta/fauria/carter out of town? Granted, I realize most people on this website have access to NFL Film cameras of every game, and break down the film on Redskins games every day, but let's leave some things to the coaches and Front O.

Or maybe it is all archuleta's fault... he should know not to listen to Steven Jackson's coaching technique.

A. I further explained calling AA both "useless" and a "jerk". I'm personally tired of players whining and doing it through your agent makes you a coward. AA was not just bad in coverage, but he was blowing games. He did his best to cost us the dallass game on that play to Whitten where he looked lost.

B. Nobody questions the overall player acquisition success of Gibbs and company. If they did, it would be foolish. Brunell was not a miss. Barrow and Patten had injuries so you can't knock them either. Griffin, Washington, Rabach, Sellers, Moss, Portis... Need I go on? They are all Gibbs acquisitions. Stop barking up trees that don't have cats in them.

C. Not sure what you mean about leaving it to the coaches??? I think most would applaud the fact that AA is benched. Again this is not the issue. Nobody has said they don't trust the coaching staff except for the one person who is arguing FOR AA.

[CowboyKilla]

I would not give up on him yet.