Washington Post: Suisham is in

[PennSkinsFan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800889.html

[redskin_rich]

Let the carousel start spinning again!

[dj_stouty]

Who?

[joethefan]

AWW LAWD!!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Playoffs, here we come!!!!

[ryflan47]

Great, a Cowpuke castoff.

[joethefan]

I thought we we're done bringing ex cowgirls in here....I guess JKC's legacy lives on...

[remaxjon]

Shaun Suisham
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Shaun Suisham
Date of birth December 29, 1981
Place of birth Wallaceburg, Ontario
Position(s) Kicker
College Bowling Green State
Statistics NFL.com

Team(s)
2005-2006' Dallas Cowboys
Shaun Suisham (December 29, 1981 in Wallaceburg, Ontario) is a placekicker for the San Francisco 49ers of the NFL. Prior to college, Suisham helped Wallaceburg District Secondary School win a Kent County championship in 1999 by kicking a 57-yard field goal in the final. He then attended Bowling Green State University and attended training camp with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[edit] Career as a Cowboy
After being cut by the Steelers, he joined the Cowboys practice squad, and signed with the team on October 24, 2005. After only 2 weeks on the team, in which he went 2 for 2 on field goals, he was released so the Cowboys could sign Billy Cundiff. However, Cundiff struggled, and they re-signed Suisham for the last game of the regular season.

During the 2006 off-season he was re-signed by the Dallas Cowboys. Originally, he was supposed to be second on the depth chart behind the NFL's all-time most accurate kicker, Mike Vanderjagt. After Vanderjagt missed two potentially game-winning field goal attempts in a preseason game against the Minnesota Vikings, however, he was named the starter for the Cowboys' season opener against the Jacksonville Jaguars on September 10 of 2006. He attempted two kicks during the game, the first of which was good from a then career-long 32 yards. The second attempt, which would have given the Cowboys the lead, hit the right upright of the goalpost, causing a lot of uproar in Dallas. (The Cowboys had bad experiences with kickers the previous season, and most fans believed that the problem was solved by signing Vanderjagt.)

On October 12, 2006, the Cowboys officially released Shaun.

[smoot]

hes not much better than novak...........averages less than 60 yards per kickoff

[redskin_rich]

Career long 32 yards? Ugghhh....

[CNYSkinFan]

Well....geee...uhm....I have nothing

[smoot]

His Career Stats

20 - 29 yards : 3-3
30 - 39 yards : 1-2
40 - 49 yards : 0-1
50 - 59 yards : 0-0
Total : 4-6
Long : 32
Career Percentage: 66.7
Extra Points : 10-10

Number of kickoffs : 29
Kickoff Career Average : 60.7
Touchbacks : 4
Kickoff Return Average : 22.6
Touchdowns Allowed : 1
Onside Kicks Attempted : 2
Onside Kicks Recovered : 0

[CNYSkinFan]

Could this be the Derrick frost for Andy groom move of 2006? Cutting a young erratic kicker for a slightly older erratic kicker?

[shally]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800889.html

what a circus !! at least he has a strong leg for kickoffs...

[Skinz4lyfe]

what a circus !! at least he has a strong leg for kickoffs...

That's the only positive about him. He sucks!!

[Skaggsrules]

If we want a strong leg for kickoffs, we need to sign Kurt Smith from UVA, he has a monster leg, not very accurate for field goals, but great on kickoffs

[remaxjon]

If we want a strong leg for kickoffs, we need to sign Kurt Smith from UVA, he has a monster leg, not very accurate for field goals, but great on kickoffs


What about Ray Finkle, he was on a tear that year with the Dolphins before that damn Dan Marino didn't hold the laces out in the superbowl

[greatest2]

keep nick please, apparently he really wants this, i mean he went to school here. this is practically his home team....let him try and work on it. He can work on his tech. with danny smith, and his kicks are goin right (not short), he works that tech. i think he will be real nice for us, plus, he is pretty clutch 2 game winners, even though he missed one vs. dallas.


He kickoffs are very short, and that haunts us, can we find a punter who is good and can do kickoffs, anybody know someone like that in the draft????? i would love to keep nick, but it is a buisness, and about production

[RedskinRyan]

if anything, i hope karma proves its existance and he becomes our david akers

[BIGSEF3]

good grief. this guy's nfl record isnt really any better than novak. we're changing one young, inexeprienced kicker for another. i hate the guy, but vanderjackass is the best option for us. he's had a rough time in dallas, but the guy is just in a rutt and he'll come out of it. he should have learned from his past mistakes and be less of a punk than he was in indy. i say we sign him.

[danny's stogie]

keep nick please, apparently he really wants this, i mean he went to school here. this is practically his home team....let him try and work on it. He can work on his tech. with danny smith, and his kicks are goin right (not short), he works that tech. i think he will be real nice for us, plus, he is pretty clutch 2 game winners, even though he missed one vs. dallas.


He kickoffs are very short, and that haunts us, can we find a punter who is good and can do kickoffs, anybody know someone like that in the draft????? i would love to keep nick, but it is a buisness, and about production

He's been in the league for three years and he's gotten worse as times' gone on. Who cares if he wants it, his performance doesn't show it.

[ryflan47]

What about Ray Finkle, he was on a tear that year with the Dolphins before that damn Dan Marino didn't hold the laces out in the superbowl

laces OUT!

[Brokenstriker]

Safe Bet ... Mike Sellers could kick the ball out of the end zone on kick-offs

Got to wonder why they haven't tried this.

[skinsfan36]

if he can do good kickoffs im all for it. but i like novak hes getting the leg they are just going wide right.

[silverspring]

When are we going to realize that if we want a good kicker we have to sign a good kicker not just some scrub. This is pointless. We should keep novak, if we are going to "develop" a kicker why not him? Unless we are going to sign someone that actually has a successful history like vanderjet this is just a waste of energy. Danny Smith is my nemesis.

Edit:
By the way, is just me or do we seem to be trying to save money on kickers and punters. Soon they will realize that the skimping is costing us just as much as not skimping plus all the crappy kicks. All these kickers we have signed and unsigned must be starting to add up. Hopefully we will notice that the monies we paid to hall, novak, frost, suisham are probably starting to add up to 2 good kickers.

[CNYSkinFan]

This could be much ado about nothing guys. he is only being signed to the PS squad. It could be to light a fire under novak's arse and see if he responds, like when they signed a punter to replace frost after training camp and kept him for a frekin day.

who knows.

[skinsfan36]

question is are we just stop gapping with these guys til vanderjagt clears waivers?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Waves of enthusiasm.....

[smoak]

This is why I hate knee jerk changes in personnel... We traded one garbage for another.

[skins lady]

If we're going to get a kicker, then it might as well be Vanderjagt. This guy shows no promise whatsoever.

[redskin_rich]

This is why I hate knee jerk changes in personnel... We traded one garbage for another.
Not exactly. Novak wasn't released, so we are collecting garbage, not trading it.
Feel better?

[smoak]

Not exactly. Novak wasn't released, so we are collecting garbage, not trading it.
Feel better?

UGH! No! Who did we release? AA?

(Disclaimer: I obviously didn't bother to click on the link and read the article.)

[shally]

keep nick please, apparently he really wants this, i mean he went to school here. this is practically his home team....let him try and work on it. He can work on his tech. with danny smith, and his kicks are goin right (not short), he works that tech. i think he will be real nice for us, plus, he is pretty clutch 2 game winners, even though he missed one vs. dallas.


He kickoffs are very short, and that haunts us, can we find a punter who is good and can do kickoffs, anybody know someone like that in the draft????? i would love to keep nick, but it is a buisness, and about production

nothing wrong with frost, who is coming on as a punter..

suisham is better at kicking off.. if he is novak's equal as a kicker he will get the edge in that way..

[shally]

UGH! No! Who did we release? AA?

(Disclaimer: I obviously didn't bother to click on the link and read the article.)

right now if signed, he will be on the practice squad.. if elevated then we will have to cut someone

[guinness4health]

I remember this kid showing some good leg on the kick-off against us in week two, put at least two of his kicks into the endzone....

[shally]

I remember this kid showing some good leg on the kick-off against us in week two, put at least two of his kicks into the endzone....

that is precisely why parcells had him on the roster

[skinsfan36]

who gets cut off the ps for a kicker?

[guinness4health]

When are we going to realize that if we want a good kicker we have to sign a good kicker not just some scrub. This is pointless. We should keep novak, if we are going to "develop" a kicker why not him? Unless we are going to sign someone that actually has a successful history like vanderjet this is just a waste of energy. Danny Smith is my nemesis.

Edit:
By the way, is just me or do we seem to be trying to save money on kickers and punters. Soon they will realize that the skimping is costing us just as much as not skimping plus all the crappy kicks. All these kickers we have signed and unsigned must be starting to add up. Hopefully we will notice that the monies we paid to hall, novak, frost, suisham are probably starting to add up to 2 good kickers.

what is so hard to understand.... there are like 5-10 very good kickers in the nfl period....it is hard enough to find a good kicker in the first place, let alone do it in the middle of the season.....

novak is a below average kicker who is missing half of the kicks he attempts, to make it worse is best kick-offs land around the 7 or 8 yard line.... with most landing around the 12 yard line.... that is unacceptable.....

if this new kid can be more consistent on kick-offs that is of more value to us than anything else that any kicker we are going to be able to find at this juncture....

It is hard for me to believe that this new kid could be any least inconsistent than novak has been, so what is the harm????????????

[silverspring]

what is so hard to understand.... there are like 5-10 very good kickers in the nfl period....it is hard enough to find a good kicker in the first place, let alone do it in the middle of the season.....

novak is a below average kicker who is missing half of the kicks he attempts, to make it worse is best kick-offs land around the 7 or 8 yard line.... with most landing around the 12 yard line.... that is unacceptable.....

if this new kid can be more consistent on kick-offs that is of more value to us than anything else that any kicker we are going to be able to find at this juncture....

It is hard for me to believe that this new kid could be any least inconsistent than novak has been, so what is the harm????????????

First of all, it wouldn't be so hard to find a kicker with some real experience if you start looking before the season gets underway. Secondly, currently there is a kicker with a decent background coming available - vanderjagt. Thirdly, even dallas was able to find a veteran kicker on short notice that is guaranteed to be more dependable than novak - gramatica.
The kicking personnel has been handle so horribly by this organization i can't even believe that anyone would consider defending it. Frost has been decent in recent weeks, but imo he already muffed enough kicks for an entire season at the beginning of the year. And I guarantee, guarantee, that if we go on a run and start winning frost will start sucking again.

[LASKINFAN]

ok., i have been accused of,typing with the caps locked rambling on incoherently, no punctuation,.,but ican hit a 37 yard field goal come on lets upgrade anytime we can.

Thats why i love free agency, we have a need we fire up the jet and try to fix it. sometimes it works and then we cutem,draft picks are worse do some work and see.
SIGN a real kicker please , not some homer shanker!!!!

[LASKINFAN]

that was beautiful!!!!!!!!!!

[smoot]

where in the world are you guys getting the idea that he's good on kickoffs?

look at the stats i posted, he averages kicking the ball to the 10 and people average a return to the 30

[whitskins]

where in the world are you guys getting the idea that he's good on kickoffs?

look at the stats i posted, he averages kicking the ball to the 10 and people average a return to the 30

Yeah, he was never a kickoff specialist in Dallas, he was just on the roster because Vanderjagt was injured at the start of the season.

I don't see a big difference between this guy and Novak. Novak just scares the heck out of me, the ball comes off his foot sideways half the time. I think we need to sign a legit vet this offseason or draft a guy on the second day. Neither of these guys is the answer.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Lord have mercy.......is there a draft sam swank bandwagon yet?

[smoot]

Lord have mercy.......is there a draft sam swank bandwagon yet?
im driving..........trading in the bus for a tractor trailer so i can fit more people

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Can someone be activated from the practice squad on gameday and someone else on the team is inactive for the game? If so, they can bring the new kicker up on gameday and make TJ inactive. He should be used to it by now.:)

[ryflan47]

If we're going to get a kicker, then it might as well be Vanderjagt. This guy shows no promise whatsoever.
If we're gonna get one Cowboy castoff, it might as be the better one.

[Dept_of_Defense]

We should go after Vanderjagt. He's gotta return to his normal self @ some point. Plus, who the hell is Suisham?

[Skins7ny]

I hate signing ex-Cowboys. Even to the practice squad. Blecch!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Is the MLS season finished yet? If so, sign ANYBODY from the DC team and he will be better than these guys..

[ryflan47]

Is the MLS season finished yet? If so, sign ANYBODY from the DC team and he will be better than these guys..

Hell, sign someone from the Women's soccer team, I don't care. If she can kick a 40 yarder more than 50% of the time, give her a chance.

[smoot]

Hell, sign someone from the Women's soccer team, I don't care. If she can kick a 40 yarder more than 50% of the time, give her a chance.
mia hamm kicked for the chiefs as a joke once and hit something like a dozen straight 50+ yard field goals

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Perhaps I could try giving that kid in my signature a call and see if he's available..I hear he kicks pretty well...

[smoot]

Perhaps I could try giving that kid in my signature a call and see if he's available..I hear he kicks pretty well...
i would personally drive out to italy (thats right, drive) and kiss the ground you walk on

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i would personally drive out to italy (thats right, drive) and kiss the ground you walk on
You know, he lives about a mile from my house, and I've seen him around quite a few times...I'll have to ask him next time...

[redwolf1218]

he does have 1 touchback on his resume...woohoo!

whatever happened to Frost kicking off? is he worse than Novak? did David Lonie ever get a chance to kick off?

[Redskinfan28]

Geez - the roster moves keep making no sense.

[redwolf1218]

Geez - the roster moves keep making no sense.
we can all relax now that Suisham is in.

[Biggie]

You think Moseley has another year left in that leg?

[skinsfan36]

does morten anderson have a son yet we can call him? will we ever get another good kicker.try randel el

[esmith1790]

vanderjagt was hurt at the beginning of the season and thus we had suisham and then after vanderjagt eased back in suisham was doing kick-offs and vanderjagt doing FGs

but suisham wasnt even getting the touch backs so why waste a roster spot. so we cut suisham and just went with vanderjagt. Vanderjagt was always pushing his kicks to the right and even hit the right bar 3 times this year. that one against tampa was 22 yards or so and it was 1-3 inches from hitting the right bar. even extra points were a nightmare everytime. good luck who ever gets him

[FanFromArizona]

Bring on the mule that can kick 100 yards.......

quick, I'll give a dancing pickle to the person that can name the movie. and I'll give a bouncey to the person that can tell me the year it was released.

[Biggie]

Bring on the mule that can kick 100 yards.......

quick, I'll give a dancing pickle to the person that can name the movie. and I'll give a bouncey to the person that can tell me the year it was released.

I saw that movie ten years ago and I could never remember the name.

[redskin_rich]

Bring on the mule that can kick 100 yards.......

quick, I'll give a dancing pickle to the person that can name the movie. and I'll give a bouncey to the person that can tell me the year it was released.
Gus, 1976. I saw it in the theater but admittedly, I had to look up the year.

Anyhow, how is Suisham pronounced? Swiss Ham? Swishem? Sooasam?

[smoot]

Gus, 1976. I saw it in the theater but admittedly, I had to look up the year.

Anyhow, how is Suisham pronounced? Swiss Ham? Swishem? Sooasam?
swees-ham

[Biggie]

I'm going to call him Swiss Ham for all six days he's here.

[FanFromArizona]

Gus, 1976. I saw it in the theater but admittedly, I had to look up the year.

Anyhow, how is Suisham pronounced? Swiss Ham? Swishem? Sooasam?

:Pickle: :bounceit:

We've got a winner.

I'll tell you, sometimes I wished we had Gus as our kicker.

[hockeygoalie29]

His Career Stats

20 - 29 yards : 3-3
30 - 39 yards : 1-2
40 - 49 yards : 0-1
50 - 59 yards : 0-0
Total : 4-6
Long : 32
Career Percentage: 66.7
Extra Points : 10-10

He was signed to light a fire under Novak, plain and simple. Look at the stats Smoot posted, he is WORSE than Novak. Sure, Nick's percentage doesn't look all the great, but don't forget that 60% of the kicks Novak missed this year were from 48 yards or longer. Meanwhile, this ex-cowboy's career long is a whopping 32 yards!!! Anything longer than that he's missed. So that means we need our offense to get to the 15 yardline to be within his range. Some kicker. At least with Novak we know he has the ability to hit a 47 yarder.

[redwolf1218]

i'd be happy with long kickoffs. i mean if the guy is going to be 50-50, at least kick it deep. what we have now is a guy who struggles with both accuracy and distance. i'd like to have at least one or the other, both would be great.

[shally]

Gus, 1976. I saw it in the theater but admittedly, I had to look up the year.

Anyhow, how is Suisham pronounced? Swiss Ham? Swishem? Sooasam?

it is pronounced..."SCHANKH.."" (rrhymes with clank)
:lol1:

[helimech24]

We could sign Vander-shank for a couple of weeks. All this crap that is going on is in his head, and maybe a coach that is more sympathetic would help. Parcy has always hated kickers and has always treated them like crap.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We have gotten to the point where we don't even pretend that our kicker(s) actually make the FGs..all we want is a human being with enough leg strength to kick a football near the endzone. How sad is that?

[shally]

We could sign Vander-shank for a couple of weeks. All this crap that is going on is in his head, and maybe a coach that is more sympathetic would help. Parcy has always hated kickers and has always treated them like crap.

nice article in the post saying exactly that.. we should sign VDJ because he is a superior kicker in a slump...

he is 36 and the question is whether he is slumping or his career is ending..
i would prefer a young kicker but we haven't been so good at picking up one..

oh well.. we finally have a young qb, maybe we can find that young kicker..i still think novak might be okay, but he is on a very short leash now

[shally]

We have gotten to the point where we don't even pretend that our kicker(s) actually make the FGs..all we want is a human being with enough leg strength to kick a football near the endzone. How sad is that?

even worse because all our games end up with a margin of 3 points-- and will continue to do so.. a money kicker is critical

[SpicyMcHaggis]

nice article in the post saying exactly that.. we should sign VDJ because he is a superior kicker in a slump...

he is 36 and the question is whether he is slumping or his career is ending..
i would prefer a young kicker but we haven't been so good at picking up one..

oh well.. we finally have a young qb, maybe we can find that young kicker..i still think novak might be okay, but he is on a very short leash now
VDJ is 36? Wow..I never realized that..I thought he was 31-32ish...

[shally]

VDJ is 36? Wow..I never realized that..I thought he was 31-32ish...

no spring chicken.. we got on hall because he is OLD.. but some kickers go on forever, while others deteriorate... morton anderson will be kicking until he is 60 i think .. we will see him this weekend..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

no spring chicken.. we got on hall because he is OLD.. but some kickers go on forever, while others deteriorate... morton anderson will be kicking until he is 60 i think .. we will see him this weekend..
Didn't Anderson turn 60 in 1993 or something?

[shally]

Didn't Anderson turn 60 in 1993 or something?

close.. he is 50 something.. not quite that bad...:lol1:

just checked.. he is 46....

[Green-Is-Good]

Andersen says he wants to kick until he's 50
So Vandershank has 14 years left in him :D

[shally]

Andersen says he wants to kick until he's 50
So Vandershank has 14 years left in him :D

anderson has been religious in his conditioning and preparation.. plus he is scandinavian and nothing gets him riled.. he has a great attitude

he has lost a little length, but he is still money..let us sincerely hope it does not come down to a FG this weekend

[SpicyMcHaggis]

anderson has been religious in his conditioning and preparation.. plus he is scandinavian and nothing gets him riled.. he has a great attitude

he has lost a little length, but he is still money..let us sincerely hope it does not come down to a FG this weekend
After that story akh told me about Anderson, I get a little sick whenever I think of him...

[shally]

After that story akh told me about Anderson, I get a little sick whenever I think of him...

again.. he is a great kicker, either way...

[dabro]

Shaun Suisham
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Shaun Suisham
Date of birth December 29, 1981
Place of birth Wallaceburg, Ontario
Position(s) Kicker
College Bowling Green State
Statistics NFL.com

Team(s)
2005-2006' Dallas Cowboys
Shaun Suisham (December 29, 1981 in Wallaceburg, Ontario) is a placekicker for the San Francisco 49ers of the NFL. Prior to college, Suisham helped Wallaceburg District Secondary School win a Kent County championship in 1999 by kicking a 57-yard field goal in the final. He then attended Bowling Green State University and attended training camp with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[edit] Career as a Cowboy
After being cut by the Steelers, he joined the Cowboys practice squad, and signed with the team on October 24, 2005. After only 2 weeks on the team, in which he went 2 for 2 on field goals, he was released so the Cowboys could sign Billy Cundiff. However, Cundiff struggled, and they re-signed Suisham for the last game of the regular season.

During the 2006 off-season he was re-signed by the Dallas Cowboys. Originally, he was supposed to be second on the depth chart behind the NFL's all-time most accurate kicker, Mike Vanderjagt. After Vanderjagt missed two potentially game-winning field goal attempts in a preseason game against the Minnesota Vikings, however, he was named the starter for the Cowboys' season opener against the Jacksonville Jaguars on September 10 of 2006. He attempted two kicks during the game, the first of which was good from a then career-long 32 yards. The second attempt, which would have given the Cowboys the lead, hit the right upright of the goalpost, causing a lot of uproar in Dallas. (The Cowboys had bad experiences with kickers the previous season, and most fans believed that the problem was solved by signing Vanderjagt.)

On October 12, 2006, the Cowboys officially released Shaun.Could it be the holder?

[GWBlitzST]

CONNOR HUGHES!!!! Why, GOD, can't we get Connor Hughes!?! 32 yards? Are you kidding me? I hate Novak but COME ON an ex-Cowgirl? COME ON

[ryflan47]

Sammy Baugh, master of all crafts, where art thou?

[smoak]

My cowboys buddy said the guy can BOOM it on kickoffs but just lacks accuracy on FGs. I really couldn't say either way?

[Skaggsrules]

CONNOR HUGHES!!!! Why, GOD, can't we get Connor Hughes!?! 32 yards? Are you kidding me? I hate Novak but COME ON an ex-Cowgirl? COME ON

Glad to someone else is on the Connor Hughes bandwagon with me

[CowboyKilla]

Maybe Nick will kick a little better with a fire under his arse.

[shally]

My cowboys buddy said the guy can BOOM it on kickoffs but just lacks accuracy on FGs. I really couldn't say either way?

like the old punter we used to have cox... what was his first name ?

[redwolf1218]

like the old punter we used to have cox... what was his first name ?
Steve Cox if i'm not mistaken. i would like someone who can boom it on kickoffs. our guy is 50-50 anyway, and the kickoffs are short.

[schmitty199]

Wow. Another ex-cowboy kicker?

Novak then Suisham.... wonder if Suisham bombs Vandy will be next. Wouldnt surprise me.

Suishams alright on kickoffs. Not a ton of range on FG's though from what he showed in Dallas anyways.

[HAWGZHEAD]

C'mon guys you know kickers don't matter :rolleyes:

[shally]

C'mon guys you know kickers don't matter :rolleyes:

or so jerry jones and tuna say..

they were quoted somewhere that they were going "young and cheap" from here on out...
i saw somewhere it will cost them 1.7 mil for VDJ's hit next year.. lemme see how much the buzzards scream over their miss at free agency

[santanadasavior]

I don't know if anyone read Boswell's article in the Post today about Vandy, but he thinks we should sign him and I can't say I disagree. He is as far from a Gibbs player as there is but he still can kick well and hopefully being cut will open his eyes and make him realize he is a kicker. I don't want to but it makes sense.

[shally]

I don't know if anyone read Boswell's article in the Post today about Vandy, but he thinks we should sign him and I can't say I disagree. He is as far from a Gibbs player as there is but he still can kick well and hopefully being cut will open his eyes and make him realize he is a kicker. I don't want to but it makes sense.

the guy made 42 kicks in a row, for goodness sakes... they weren't all 20 yarders and they werent all indoors.. and just making that many in a row
without a rush is not that easy

[santanadasavior]

the guy made 42 kicks in a row, for goodness sakes... they weren't all 20 yarders and they werent all indoors.. and just making that many in a row
without a rush is not that easy

A struggling Vandy is probably better than a hot Suisham or Novak.

[Green-Is-Good]

Can more than one kicker be active in a game?
(Could we have this new guy on kickoffs and Novak for FGs?)

[shally]

A struggling Vandy is probably better than a hot Suisham or Novak.

no ,i would not go that far because a struggling kicker is a struggling kicker.. but a decent Vandy is better than a hot suisham or novak

[shally]

Can more than one kicker be active in a game?
(Could we have this new guy on kickoffs and Novak for FGs?)

i think if suisham looks good in practice this week that is exactly what we could see.. they are gonna make the call on suisham on saturday, i believe

parcells did that for a game or 2 also having 2 kickers active, i believe..

[Apache]

I say we Stick with Nick. This guy doesn't seem much better. Kicker's can't develop if we keep moving them around the league and what does that say to their loyalty. Heck, if I was a kicker and wanted out of a bad situation, I would miss a game winning field goal because I know I'd be outta there and they don't pay enough for loyalty. Treat your kicker with the same respect you gave Brunnell and he'll get it...

[shally]

I say we Stick with Nick. This guy doesn't seem much better. Kicker's can't develop if we keep moving them around the league and what does that say to their loyalty. Heck, if I was a kicker and wanted out of a bad situation, I would miss a game winning field goal because I know I'd be outta there and they don't pay enough for loyalty. Treat your kicker with the same respect you gave Brunnell and he'll get it...

qb takes a lot longer to develop than kicker.. i think as a kicker, while there is a learning curve, you know a lot sooner whether the guy will handle the pro game or not-- compared to a qb..

novak has some bad signs now and i am not sure how long we keep him.. maybe the rest of this year, or maybe only a game or so more if he keeps looking shakey

[Apache]

qb takes a lot longer to develop than kicker.. i think as a kicker, while there is a learning curve, you know a lot sooner whether the guy will handle the pro game or not-- compared to a qb..

novak has some bad signs now and i am not sure how long we keep him.. maybe the rest of this year, or maybe only a game or so more if he keeps looking shakey

I understand what you're saying. Does this mean that good kickers really are that hard to find? Why can't we seem to get a sure thing and sign him? I think most kicker's ARE generally good or they wouldn't even be this far. I think it's all mental in game situations. Some can do better with pressure of another kicker waiting in the balance for shot to change them and others will crumble more. Hopefully one day we'll get another Chip L.

[GWBlitzST]

Can more than one kicker be active in a game?
(Could we have this new guy on kickoffs and Novak for FGs?)
WHY?!?!?!?!?!!? Novak SUCKS AT FIELD GOALS. What is so freaking hard to understand about that? When he lines up for a 37 yarder, and misses it, and nobody is surprised, it's time to move on. Not to mention the fact that Derrick Frost is also a kicker, so that would be three kickers on our active roster. Sounds about right for ol' Danny Smith.

[shally]

I understand what you're saying. Does this mean that good kickers really are that hard to find? Why can't we seem to get a sure thing and sign him? I think most kicker's ARE generally good or they wouldn't even be this far. I think it's all mental in game situations. Some can do better with pressure of another kicker waiting in the balance for shot to change them and others will crumble more. Hopefully one day we'll get another Chip L.

it sure does seem it is hard for us to find a good kicker, long term... not since lohmiller as you say

[Brokenstriker]

it was kinda nice with Novak being a local college kid and all that ... but it sucks to go 50% on field goals and his kickoffs are ... TERRIBLE ... it sets the other team up with first down on their 35 or better. I'd love to see Novak stay, but only if is starts kicking off into the endzone and makes 5 out of the next 6 FG attempts inside of 50 yards. Can;t imagine either happening anytime soon.

[redwolf1218]

everyone loves Novak but he's 50-50 and his kickoffs are short. all i cant say is, either get someone who can kickoff deep, or we need to go for it on 4th down more often.

Suisham is pronouced like "shwish 'em" like in basketball. that's cool. plus he can kick off deep. he is 4 for 6, which is slightly better than 50-50. he wont get a chance though, because Novak is here already.

[shally]

everyone loves Novak but he's 50-50 and his kickoffs are short. all i cant say is, either get someone who can kickoff deep, or we need to go for it on 4th down more often.

Suisham is pronouced like "shwish 'em" like in basketball. that's cool. plus he can kick off deep. he is 4 for 6, which is slightly better than 50-50. he wont get a chance though, because Novak is here already.

i think he has a chance.. the job is novak's to lose but he has been shaky, no doubt about it. if he leaves the door open some more he will find himself unemployed once again

[redwolf1218]

i think he has a chance.. the job is novak's to lose but he has been shaky, no doubt about it. if he leaves the door open some more he will find himself unemployed once again
maybe this competition will make him perform at his best.

[shally]

maybe this competition will make him perform at his best.

hard to tell what his mental state is.. he blew away the competition in his tryout.. did not miss a single kick... but when it started for real he has not been the same kicker..
plus, they said his kickoffs in the tryout were mostly down to the goal line..

he is truly on a short leash.. he is either going to show how tough he is, or he is going to flame out

[santanadasavior]

hard to tell what his mental state is.. he blew away the competition in his tryout.. did not miss a single kick... but when it started for real he has not been the same kicker..
plus, they said his kickoffs in the tryout were mostly down to the goal line..

he is truly on a short leash.. he is either going to show how tough he is, or he is going to flame out

I think they did this to see if he would respond and if he doesn't this week then his job is gone.

[redwolf1218]

hard to tell what his mental state is.. he blew away the competition in his tryout.. did not miss a single kick... but when it started for real he has not been the same kicker..
plus, they said his kickoffs in the tryout were mostly down to the goal line..

he is truly on a short leash.. he is either going to show how tough he is, or he is going to flame out
at this point, he has to show something. he's already shown how bad he is at 50-50. he needs to show he is better than that.

[shally]

I think they did this to see if he would respond and if he doesn't this week then his job is gone.

agreed... i think if he misses another kicker under 45 yards he has probably ended his tenure.. especially if suisham is strong on kickoffs

[redwolf1218]

does anyone have a kicker who is less than 50-50, with short kickoffs?

[shally]

does anyone have a kicker who is less than 50-50, with short kickoffs?

not for very long...:lol1:

[smoot]

does anyone have a kicker who is less than 50-50, with short kickoffs?
uhhh, us?

[shally]

uhhh, us?

uhhhh.. not for long...:lol1:

[bgforever]

This eliminates the lneed for a draft pick, since "Swish" is already at the level they'd be coming in at, that's worth any kind of try. So if my guy Nick doesn't elevate his game, he will be flying home after this season.

[smoot]

uhhhh.. not for long...:lol1:
who knows. we might witness a brunell type loyalty issue


i sincerly hope not though

[redwolf1218]

who knows. we might witness a brunell type loyalty issue


i sincerly hope not though
the loyalty issue is not even funny. we had Rock returning kickoffs while Duckett was inactive. that's ludicrous.

[hogs86]

everyone loves Novak but he's 50-50 and his kickoffs are short. all i cant say is, either get someone who can kickoff deep, or we need to go for it on 4th down more often.

Suisham is pronouced like "shwish 'em" like in basketball. that's cool. plus he can kick off deep. he is 4 for 6, which is slightly better than 50-50. he wont get a chance though, because Novak is here already.


Please do not say 50-50.You made me think of Rod Gardner.Or did we call him 40-60 ?? By the way who does Gardner play for now KC ?? :)

[shally]

who knows. we might witness a brunell type loyalty issue


i sincerly hope not though

no.. not likely.. he is young and has no long term relationship with the skins.. right now he is a feel good story and the skins do not want to lose a potential 5-7 year player by acting hastily.. but he is real close to canceling his own check and will have no one to blame but himself

[redskin_rich]

Please do not say 50-50.You made me think of Rod Gardner.Or did we call him 40-60 ?? By the way who does Gardner play for now KC ?? :)
And your point is...?

[bigcmr]

Is it me or when Novak kicks the ball it looks like a knuckell ball. Never end over end. Well I like was pulling for Novak but lets face it we need a better kicker. Maybe this new Suisham guy is better.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

From what we've seen so far, Suisham doesn't seem that much better than Novak..either way, this is not how a team finds a good kicker. You deal with it in the offseason if you have a need there.

[dukeuch]

Why in the world wouldn't we give Vandy a chance?

[redskin_rich]

Why in the world wouldn't we give Vandy a chance?
1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?

[meloveskinslongtime]

1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?

5. he played for the funboys

[smoot]

5. he played for the funboys
so did suisham...........and novak

[shally]

1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?

one answer...

42 in a row

the only kicker we have ever had who had that kind of long term accuracy is mosely.. even lohmiller wasn't close to that.

the guy may be a head case, but he is not a bum.. unless he has a case of "steve blass syndrome" (PM me if you do not understand the reference)
he was/is a premeier kicker..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

one answer...

42 in a row

the only kicker we have ever had who had that kind of long term accuracy is mosely.. even lohmiller wasn't close to that.

the guy may be a head case, but he is not a bum.. unless he has a case of "steve blass syndrome" (PM me if you do not understand the reference)
he was/is a premeier kicker..
Sorry shally, the Redskins don't deal with premier kickers.

[shally]

Sorry shally, the Redskins don't deal with premier kickers.

and if they were, they aren't when they get here...

although parcells and jerry jones have sworn off premier kickers.. going cheap and young from here on out they say..not exactly what they signed in grammatica

[redskin_rich]

one answer...

42 in a row

the only kicker we have ever had who had that kind of long term accuracy is mosely.. even lohmiller wasn't close to that.

the guy may be a head case, but he is not a bum.. unless he has a case of "steve blass syndrome" (PM me if you do not understand the reference)
he was/is a premeier kicker..
If this was the 2003 version of Vandy, he would have never been available in the first place but it's not. Kickers are like golfers, once their confidence is shaken, their game is shot.

[hockeygoalie29]

everyone loves Novak but he's 50-50 and his kickoffs are short. all i cant say is, either get someone who can kickoff deep, or we need to go for it on 4th down more often.

Suisham is pronouced like "shwish 'em" like in basketball. that's cool. plus he can kick off deep. he is 4 for 6, which is slightly better than 50-50. he wont get a chance though, because Novak is here already.

If you're comparing career percentage though, you have to include Novak's kicks from last year which bump him up to 60%. Still not great but remember two were blocked and the blame for those was put on the line that sagged and allowed a big push. Not inlcuding those two, which weren't his fault, he would have been 8 for 8 last year and 13 for 18 on his career which is 72%. So he needs to improve, but he's better than Swishy.

[hockeygoalie29]

This eliminates the lneed for a draft pick, since "Swish" is already at the level they'd be coming in at, that's worth any kind of try. So if my guy Nick doesn't elevate his game, he will be flying home after this season.

That would be a short flight! It's problably more like "he'll be taking a trip around the beltway" after this season...:lol1:

[helimech24]

1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?He wouldn't be that expensive with all the money he just made, and we could carry him until the end of the season. If he still doesn't work out, drop him. But I don't think any team would pay more than league minimum for him right now. That could be the steal of the season.

[dukeuch]

[QUOTE=redskin_rich]1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?[/QUOTE

Who would be paying his salary, Dallas or us or some combination? I don't worry about my kicker's charechter. His accuracy is beet than either of our guys, and I'd take the chance that a change of venue gets him back to his extraordinary accuracy of past.

[shally]

[QUOTE=redskin_rich]1. His accuracy is no better than the bums we have.
2. His kickoffs are just as bad or worse.
3. Questionable character.
4. Too expensive.

Is that enough reasons?[/QUOTE

Who would be paying his salary, Dallas or us or some combination? I don't worry about my kicker's charechter. His accuracy is beet than either of our guys, and I'd take the chance that a change of venue gets him back to his extraordinary accuracy of past.

i am with you.. but i do not think the front office is looking that way unless both guys we have fall flat

[shally]

If this was the 2003 version of Vandy, he would have never been available in the first place but it's not. Kickers are like golfers, once their confidence is shaken, their game is shot.

that worries me some.. but i think the physical aspect of it is just as important.. we have gone through 2 kickers (conway and hall) who deteriorated while redskin kicker. they never got that back

[santanadasavior]

that worries me some.. but i think the physical aspect of it is just as important.. we have gone through 2 kickers (conway and hall) who deteriorated while redskin kicker. they never got that back

That's true, and honestly, if we get a 75% kicker at this point for us would be great.

[smoot]

That's true, and honestly, if we get a 75% kicker at this point for us would be great.
i would LOVE to have a 75% at this point

[GWBlitzST]

Another good reason not to get Vandy--he's 36. Not to mention our cap situation. Wouldn't it have been cool to get Adam Vinatieri instead of Adam Archuleta? I still stand firm on Connor Hughes, though, because he's the most automatic kicker I've evere seen play. I just can't believe that we only scout former Cowgirls for this roster spot.

[shally]

Another good reason not to get Vandy--he's 36. Not to mention our cap situation. Wouldn't it have been cool to get Adam Vinatieri instead of Adam Archuleta? I still stand firm on Connor Hughes, though, because he's the most automatic kicker I've evere seen play. I just can't believe that we only scout former Cowgirls for this roster spot.

big difference between college and the pros no matter what.
36 is not that old for a kicker, and that is not the problem with vandy...

[chrisbcbu]

Looks like Suisham has been signed to the active roster, and Boschetti has been waived.
kffl.com

Redskins | Boschetti waived
Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:42:15 -0800

The Associated Press reports Washington Redskins DL Ryan Boschetti has been waived from the team.

Redskins | Suisham signed to active roster
Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:40:27 -0800

The Associated Press reports Washington Redskins PK Shaun Suisham has been signed from the team's practice squad to their active roster.

[bgforever]

Looks like Suisham has been signed to the active roster, and Boschetti has been waived.
kffl.com

yeah I saw that confirmed at www.redskins.com and nfl.com

Let's see if the defense and kicking game can be the glove in hand we hope.

[shally]

Looks like Suisham has been signed to the active roster, and Boschetti has been waived.
kffl.com

interesting.. boschetti was in trouble the minute d evans moved inside and did well..

what will be interesting is if suisham just kicks off (for certain that will happen) or whether he gets a try at field goals

[Skaggsrules]

big difference between college and the pros no matter what.
36 is not that old for a kicker, and that is not the problem with vandy...

True there's a gap from college to pros, but kicking isn't that big of a gap...Also I feel confident in a guy who's first colliegate field goal attempt (his freshmen) was 47 yds at #18 Maryland (at the time) and he drilled it down the middle

[shally]

True there's a gap from college to pros, but kicking isn't that big of a gap...Also I feel confident in a guy who's first colliegate field goal attempt (his freshmen) was 47 yds at #18 Maryland (at the time) and he drilled it down the middle

i think you might want to think that one through.. considering how many college kickers there are, and how few consistent pro kickers there are, it would argue that the step up from college to pro is very steep.

for certain there are guys who have made the transition.. and there will be others in the future but that does not change the fact that the failure rate for kickers in the nfl is so high

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i think you might want to think that one through.. considering how many college kickers there are, and how few consistent pro kickers there are, it would argue that the step up from college to pro is very steep.

for certain there are guys who have made the transition.. and there will be others in the future but that does not change the fact that the failure rate for kickers in the nfl is so high
Kicking is all about mental toughness...I don't care if a kid in college kicked 10 65 yarders...you need to see what he cn do at an NFL level vefore you can make any kind of conclusion.

[helimech24]

interesting.. boschetti was in trouble the minute d evans moved inside and did well..

what will be interesting is if suisham just kicks off (for certain that will happen) or whether he gets a try at field goalsHe will probably get a chance to kick anything over 40 yards. Going against Dallass, Novak got lucky with the FG.

[shally]

He will probably get a chance to kick anything over 40 yards. Going against Dallass, Novak got lucky with the FG.

i think it might be a bit farther out.. face it, if novak cannot be counted on to at least 45 yards, he does not belong as the kicker

[skinsfan36]

suisham did not impress me at all and it a huge waste to carry two kickers!

[shally]

suisham did not impress me at all and it a huge waste to carry two kickers!

in the post game presser it sure sounded like gibbs was happier with suisham than novak, although there was no formal commitment.
he was definitely pleased with the depth on kickoffs..

[superskin]

...and so was I. The kickoff depth was nice - I didnt say many that feel short of the 5 yard line.

You have to seize the moment, though, when you are offered up a 49 yarder and a chance to take the starting kicker job.

[shally]

...and so was I. The kickoff depth was nice - I didnt say many that feel short of the 5 yard line.

You have to seize the moment, though, when you are offered up a 49 yarder and a chance to take the starting kicker job.

that has been his history inthe nfl.. fine leg but no consistency.. i agree, if hehad hit that kick the job would be his.
as it stands i think gibbs is still on the fence, but the game winning kicks that novak has made over the past 2 years has given him pause

[FanFromArizona]

suisham did not impress me at all and it a huge waste to carry two kickers!

Yeah, it would have been nice to see if we could have activated Espy instead. JC and Espy need to get some chemistry building up for next year.

[DoGood]

If Suisham makes his next opportunity, the job is his and it's fine by me.:) Novak sucks.

[shally]

If Suisham makes his next opportunity, the job is his and it's fine by me.:) Novak sucks.

i do not think we carry 2 kickers next week.. gibbs will make the call by saturday...

[FanFromArizona]

i do not think we carry 2 kickers next week.. gibbs will make the call by saturday...


Didn't they give Novak a 2 or 3 year contract when we signed him?

[bgforever]

Yeah, it would have been nice to see if we could have activated Espy instead. JC and Espy need to get some chemistry building up for next year.


I think if AS can't get the ball to Llyod or he can't seperate when needed, he might get more looks in the last two games.

[shally]

Didn't they give Novak a 2 or 3 year contract when we signed him?

2 year.. but that was predicated upon him making more kicks than he is making now.:lol1:
the only think they will lose is the bonus (if any) they paid him..

off of his performance, novak aint going anywhere this off season

[FanFromArizona]

we need to stop the turnstile, knee-jerk approach to kicking.

If you listened to Bill Parcels comments on Gramatica's GW FG, it's obvious how important the kicking game is in a game.

We lost game 1 when Hall missed a FG that would have tied the game.
It also has effects when the defense knows your kicking situation will force an offense to take more risks.

We need to get stability.

Cap-wise, this is perhaps the most vital and low-cap hit that a team can make. Even at 3 Million a year Vinitieri (who I thought we should have targeted) is worth his weight in gold, but I guess signing a kicker is just not as flashy as a signing in the first week of March.

Get us a reliable kicker next year Front Office.

[/end of rant]

[shally]

we need to stop the turnstile, knee-jerk approach to kicking.

If you listened to Bill Parcels comments on Gramatica's GW FG, it's obvious how important the kicking game is in a game.

We lost game 1 when Hall missed a FG that would have tied the game.
It also has effects when the defense knows your kicking situation will force an offense to take more risks.

We need to get stability.

Cap-wise, this is perhaps the most vital and low-cap hit that a team can make. Even at 3 Million a year Vinitieri (who I thought we should have targeted) is worth his weight in gold, but I guess signing a kicker is just not as flashy as a signing in the first week of March.

Get us a reliable kicker next year Front Office.

[/end of rant]

parcells went through 3 this year.. we will see what happens when grammatica misses a couple of key ones

[DoGood]

we need to stop the turnstile,

I agree with this statement here. Watching Josh Brown bury that 51 yarder and a 58 yarder in warmups made me long for a stable kicking situation. That has been a major headache for a long time here in Washington.

[smoak]

# 1 priority in the offseason:

Replace the oft injured John Hall and the merry band of men that parade in and "compete" to replace him.

[CNYSkinFan]

# 1 priority in the offseason:

Replace the oft injured John Hall and the merry band of men that parade in and "compete" to replace him.
Robbin Hall (because he robs us of wins) and his merry band placekickers.

LOL

[smoak]

Robbin Hall (because he robs us of wins) and his merry band placekickers.

LOL

Definitely a sad collection of men in tights.

[shally]

we need to stop the turnstile, knee-jerk approach to kicking.

If you listened to Bill Parcels comments on Gramatica's GW FG, it's obvious how important the kicking game is in a game.

We lost game 1 when Hall missed a FG that would have tied the game.
It also has effects when the defense knows your kicking situation will force an offense to take more risks.

We need to get stability.

Cap-wise, this is perhaps the most vital and low-cap hit that a team can make. Even at 3 Million a year Vinitieri (who I thought we should have targeted) is worth his weight in gold, but I guess signing a kicker is just not as flashy as a signing in the first week of March.

Get us a reliable kicker next year Front Office.

[/end of rant]

grammatica is not along term solution either...

[superskin]

Definitely a sad collection of men in tights.

Hey, watch it, Smoak.

[BurgundyNGold]

Hey, watch it, Smoak.
:lol1:

WOOOO! I needed that.