Interesting Interview with Safties Coach Steven Jackson

[joethefan]

On www.Redskins.com

Talked about Taylor's play, saying when the defense does thier jobs then Sean can make plays (Pharaphrasing).

Talked about Adam..saying he's working hard and does what we ask him to do and is getting himself ready stating that he may be called upon at any time....
When asked about the meetings that allegedy don't happen between CB's and Safeties...He said "I don't want to go into that"....Then when the reporter followed up he said "no comment"

I wonder why the Skins would ask him to do an interview or meet with the press, other than Gregg or Jerry?...Do you think it is punishment for him allegedly being seen pouting on the sidelines?

[CNYSkinFan]

On www.Redskins.com

Talked about Taylor's play, saying when the defense does thier jobs then Sean can make plays (Pharaphrasing).

Talked about Adam..saying he's working hard and does what we ask him to do and is getting himself ready stating that he may be called upon at any time....
When asked about the meetings that allegedy don't happen between CB's and Safeties...He said "I don't want to answer that question right now"....

I wonder why the Skins would ask him to do an interview or meet with the press, other than Gregg or Jerry?...Do you think it is punishment for him allegedly being seen pouting on the sidelines?
It's total spin,...whichh is why the Redskins upgraded Redskins.com a few years ago. They want to do damage control and spin any media reports.

I am not sure of the truth here, but I would imagine it is somewhere between Redskins.com and the Friend article.

[joethefan]

It's total spin,...whichh is why the Redskins upgraded Redskins.com a few years ago. They want to do damage control and spin any media reports.

I am not sure of the truth here, but I would imagine it is somewhere between Redskins.com and the Friend article.

Well if that's the case he didn't do too well IMO. He said that "things have been written about him and Jerry in the past".....and IMO they didn't do too well with this one....

[akhhorus]

Another day, another thread on Arch by Joe. Jeez. I think you're reading way too much into things..again Joe

[joethefan]

Another day, another thread on Arch by Joe. Jeez. I think you're reading way too much into things..again Joe

Akh, What I would like you to do is listen to ALL the questions asked and then listen to his answers......it's not about arch....I could care less about Arch....but I do care about these type of responses.....but what you have to do is hear the questions first.

To say the only reason why we say sean played so well Sunday was because "We won, Seans been playing that way all season." I don't think so.

[joethefan]

Another day, another thread on Arch by Joe. Jeez. I think you're reading way too much into things..again Joe

Oh and if you don't like the topic then you don't have to respond do you?

Or Do you absolutely have to respond to everything?

[akhhorus]

Oh and if you don't like the topic then you don't have to respond do you?

I generally don't, but you're starting a new thread or moving a thread to about Arch every day it seems like now.

Or Do you absolutely have to respond to everything?

I don't respond to everything joe, but you're just going out of your way with this ridiculous campaign about 'Saint Archuleta' and how you act like you think you're an nfl coach here. You love to depersonalize things when something doesn't go well and you refer to Gibbs as "your(2nd person) coach" to the rest of us. I'm not the only person who has noticed this btw. On top of this, your posts have taken a massive tone of that you know so much more than Gibbs than football and its getting ridiculous.

[joethefan]

I generally don't, but you're starting a new thread or moving a thread to about Arch every day it seems like now.



I don't respond to everything joe, but you're just going out of your way with this ridiculous campaign about 'Saint Archuleta' and how you act like you think you're an nfl coach here. You love to depersonalize things when something doesn't go well and you refer to Gibbs as "your(2nd person) coach" to the rest of us. I'm not the only person who has noticed this btw. On top of this, your posts have taken a massive tone of that you know so much more than Gibbs than football and its getting ridiculous.

and .... Well I'm sorry you ...and the rest of you ...feel that way because I may have dissed you and the rest of you by saying "Your coach".

He also becomes "your coach" when you see him as "GOD" as if he doesn't make mistakes. He's human just like you and I. And if that's my interpretation then let it be just like your interpretation of me..right

I brought up this thread to try to get more information that could lead to some answers out of that Article that was written and that he was kinda dissed in by ESPN? and if that doesn't suit you then I'm sorry...maybe someone else here other than you would be interested.

I don't care to be in the "Posting" click with many of you. We share two things in common 1). we like football 2)that we like or a love the Redskins. If you and others think that way then that's your opinion, but on the other hand, i have gotten many PM's from people that appreciate my take on things....Not only am i here to gain knowlegde, i'm also here to share it. and if you or anyone else doesn't like it, that's not my issue.

[RedskinRyan]

Another day, another thread on Arch by Joe. Jeez. I think you're reading way too much into things..again Joe

what are you talking about? the title says interview with safeties coach. then joe wrote a line about taylor, and arch. thats it. like the media, you blow this out of proportion.

[akhhorus]

and .... Well I'm sorry you ...and the rest of you ...feel that way because I may have dissed you and the rest of you by saying "Your coach".

It bothers me because you like to love Gibbs when he does stuff you like and disassociate yourself when he does something you don't like. You're like an neglectful parent with him.

He also becomes "your coach" when you see him as "GOD" as if he doesn't make mistakes. He's human just like you and I. And if that's my interpretation then let it be just like your interpretation of me..right

And no one you've argued with recently has apologized for Gibbs that much. Thats what you're subtly accusing people of here. Your "interpretation" is based on the premise that you think you know as much or more about football than Gibbs.

I brought up this thread to try to get more information that could lead to some answers out of that Article that was written and that he was kinda dissed in by ESPN? and if that doesn't suit you then I'm sorry...maybe someone else here other than you would be interested.

You brought up this thread to bang the drum for your boy Arch.

I don't care to be in the "Posting" click with many of you.

There's a clique? Everyone argues with everyone else here. There's no bloc or conspiracy

We share two things in common we like football that we like or a love the Redskins. If you and others think that way then that's your opinion, but on the other hand, i have gotten many PM's from people that appreciate my take on things.

Riiiiiight. If you really were getting pms like that, you wouldn't say it.

...Not only am i here to gain knowlegde, i'm also here to share it. and if you or anyone else doesn't like it, that's not my issue.

Except when it comes to Archuleta and Gibbs, you clearly have an agenda. You love Archuleta no matter what and act like a child about him you're so defensive and you act like you know more about football than Gibbs since you coach youth league football. Thats just sad joe and it just gets funnier and sadder everytime you post on either Arch or Gibbs.

[joethefan]

what are you talking about? the title says interview with safeties coach. then joe wrote a line about taylor, and arch. thats it. like the media, you blow this out of proportion.
He has an issue with the fact that I started two threads earlier that talked about Arch.....So I guess now everytime I mention arch in any thread I create..."i'm getting rediculous GEEZ".

[akhhorus]

what are you talking about? the title says interview with safeties coach. then joe wrote a line about taylor, and arch. thats it. like the media, you blow this out of proportion.

No, JTF started another thread on Arch yesterday and goes out of his way to defend him no matter what. Yes, Joe just wrote a line on Arch, but this is just another attempt for him to get discuss going on him and try to defend him again(via attacking Jackson).

[akhhorus]

He has an issue with the fact that I started two threads earlier that talked about Arch.....So I guess now everytime I mention arch in any thread I create..."i'm getting rediculous GEEZ".

I didn't misspell ridiculous. And considering how ridiculous your love affair with Arch has been getting, its a fair question whenever you bring him up(or bring up his position coach).

[RedskinRyan]

No, JTF started another thread on Arch yesterday and goes out of his way to defend him no matter what. Yes, Joe just wrote a line on Arch, but this is just another attempt for him to get discuss going on him and try to defend him again(via attacking Jackson).

i really dont see it as that way. he didnt even start off talking about arch, or giving him any special attention. are you sure this isnt just another way for you to get into a pointless battle with a member here? you seem to enjoy doing that more than him bashing arch. oh wait....


Talked about Adam..saying he's working hard and does what we ask him to do and is getting himself ready stating that he may be called upon at any time....


is that really talking trash, or are you really that drunk?

[lakewinola]

what are you talking about? the title says interview with safeties coach. then joe wrote a line about taylor, and arch. thats it. like the media, you blow this out of proportion.

I don't see how this was started as an Arch thread either.

[PyroGenic]

I viewed this as a new revelation in the Tom Friend story. Redskins.com interviewed Jackson in response to that story and in that story arch was mentioned several times so ofcourse he's going to mentioned again right?

I also don't understand why Joe isn't allowed to defend arch? People do the same for QBs all the time.

[akhhorus]

i really dont see it as that way. he didnt even start off talking about arch, or giving him any special attention.

Ryan, go read JTF's debating with Dave, h2s and others about Arch yesterday then think about your comment again. Yes, joe wasn't like that in this thread, but its the precursor to Joe picking another debate about Arch so he can argue how great he is..again. Its getting old.

are you sure this isnt just another way for you to get into a pointless battle with a member here? you seem to enjoy doing that more than him bashing arch. oh wait....

No, I don't have pointless battles. I let a lot of stupidity and stuff I disagree with pass without comment. I don't enjoy this because I've gotten along with joe for a long time and I'm concerned that he's just becoming obsessed with two issues and is looking to pick a fight with people over these issues constantly. I know I'm not the only person who sees this btw.

[joethefan]

It bothers me because you like to love Gibbs when he does stuff you like and disassociate yourself when he does something you don't like. You're like an neglectful parent with him.



And no one you've argued with recently has apologized for Gibbs that much. Thats what you're subtly accusing people of here. Your "interpretation" is based on the premise that you think you know as much or more about football than Gibbs.



You brought up this thread to bang the drum for your boy Arch.



There's a clique? Everyone argues with everyone else here. There's no bloc or conspiracy



Riiiiiight. If you really were getting pms like that, you wouldn't say it.



Except when it comes to Archuleta and Gibbs, you clearly have an agenda. You love Archuleta no matter what and act like a child about him you're so defensive and you act like you know more about football than Gibbs since you coach youth league football. Thats just sad joe and it just gets funnier and sadder everytime you post on either Arch or Gibbs.

Don't flatter yourself...you don't have that kind of power to tell what goes on in my heart.. nor tell my intentions...you may be good at some things liek trying to discredit people but your not that great....brah...

I know sometimes you try to create ways to make yourself laugh at yourself...that's cute....

[lakewinola]

I also don't understand why Joe isn't allowed to defend arch? People do the same for QBs all the time.

Excellent point.

[hail2skins]

Alright gents, let's keep this on topic. Enough of the back and forth. If you want to continue, use PM's.

[akhhorus]

Don't flatter yourself...you don't have that kind of power to tell what goes on in my heart.. nor tell my intentions...you may be good at some things liek trying to discredit people but your not that great....brah...

huh? What are you talking about here? I can tell what you show us here. You have an agenda especially when it comes to Arch. You cannot deny that.

I know sometimes you try to create ways to make yourself laugh at yourself...that's cute....

Again: huh? I'm not the one who becoming a joke here joe, you are. Im not laughing at you, I'm shaking my head at you.

[hail2skins]

Also, Akh and Joe can settle this themselves. They don't need help from others.

[hail2skins]

If this persist, this thread will be closed and deleted.

[akhhorus]

If this persist, this thread will be closed and deleted.

Didn't see your warning, sorry.

[joethefan]

Ryan, go read JTF's debating with Dave, h2s and others about Arch yesterday then think about your comment again. Yes, joe wasn't like that in this thread, but its the precursor to Joe picking another debate about Arch so he can argue how great he is..again. Its getting old.



No, I don't have pointless battles. I let a lot of stupidity and stuff I disagree with pass without comment. I don't enjoy this because I've gotten along with joe for a long time and I'm concerned that he's just becoming obsessed with two issues and is looking to pick a fight with people over these issues constantly. I know I'm not the only person who sees this btw.

WoW you sound like the tom friend article.LOL I don't respond unless names are mentioned.LOL As Gibbs said.....but don't worry Akh, you don't have to be concerned about me..cause believe me..you're the last person on my mind, that I think about, when I start a thread....

Wha do you mean "you've gotten along with me for a long time"...You were never an enemy of mine.unless I was on your hit-list..you don't carry that much power in my life.

[hail2skins]

It stops right here. Get this thread back on topic.

[joethefan]

Well again....I found it interesting that Jackson was interviwed as opposed to Jerry Gray or Gregg.....that's why i began this thread....

[shally]

Well again....I found it interesting that Jackson was interviwed as opposed to Jerry Gray or Gregg.....that's why i began this thread....


so.. who comes back next year from the def staff?

jackson ? gray ? williams ?? interesting that lindsay, who has been a lightning rod before this does not even get a mention..

[lakewinola]

Well again....I found it interesting that Jackson was interviwed as opposed to Jerry Gray or Gregg.....that's why i began this thread....

I don't get why they'd interview a position coach like that.

[smoot]

i honestly believe that jackson will be fired in the offseason. all reports are that just about nobody can stand him except for williams. which leads me to wonder why he has this job in the first place

[shally]

i honestly believe that jackson will be fired in the offseason. all reports are that just about nobody can stand him except for williams. which leads me to wonder why he has this job in the first place

gray was an "add on" this year because he expected to be a def coordinator somewhere.. my guess is that he goes somewhere also next year.

but if what is said about jackson is true, then he should be gone as well..

friend hinted inthe paper today that snyder would get involved in the def staff this off season

[LATrueRedskin]

so.. who comes back next year from the def staff?

jackson ? gray ? williams ?? interesting that lindsay, who has been a lightning rod before this does not even get a mention..

It's not Lindsay's deparment. We can have a completely separate discussion about the linebacking corps.

That was a very odd interview from Steve Jackson, in my mind. To me, he doesn't really have the demeanor of a coach or of a leader. In my opinion, he's gone. Frankly, Jerry Gray is a better coach.

[joethefan]

friend hinted inthe paper today that snyder would get involved in the def staff this off season

What!!!...Wouldn't that be either Gregg's issue or Joe's issue...does it really have to get all the way up to Snyder....?

i sure hope that's wrong...I would hope that Joe or Gregg could handle it...but being in Coporate America..sometimes if things get up to the head guy, then sometimes that means his people in charge either haven't handled it, won't handle or in this case let's hope he allows the folk in place to handle it....

[silverspring]

i honestly believe that jackson will be fired in the offseason. all reports are that just about nobody can stand him except for williams. which leads me to wonder why he has this job in the first place

I don't get this interview. Obviously this is spin control, but by doing spin control like this they are also acknowledging this situation. If they are going to acknowledge it why don't they just get it over with and fire him?

I sure hope he is fired, I understand that he got put in a tough situation where he expected the gig and instead grey was brought in, but you have to act professional especially when your job is dealing with a bunch of primadonnas. If he acts immaturely then the players are going to run with that attitude. The coaches need to set the tone even when things are tough. I don't really see why they didn't just can him as soon as this situation began unfolding, especially when they already have a competent guy in jerry grey actively working with the players. It would be rash to fire williams because of this, but gibbs needs to step in and point him in the right direction with his staff and get him back to basics, i wish he had dealt with this sooner or at least now.

[joethefan]

It's not Lindsay's deparment. We can have a completely separate discussion about the linebacking corps.

That was a very odd interview from Steve Jackson, in my mind. To me, he doesn't really have the demeanor of a coach or of a leader. In my opinion, he's gone. Frankly, Jerry Gray is a better coach.


yea it seemed kinda odd to me as well.

[esmith1790]

it seems like they are giving him the rope to hang himself by. Let him talk in public so the public can see and feel what he is doing. Thus when they fire him at the end of the year. The fans wont be suprised, they will have first hand knowledge of his words.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

if everything in the friend article is correct, steven jackson needs to get the boot. you can't have that kind of dissention on a team and a coach who pouts needs to be in some other profession.

[X-Factor13]

i really don't know why he is on this staff. why can't we just have a secondary coach? or if we have two coaches, at least let the cbs and s's work in the same station so they can build chemistry. the coaches can give their own pointers to their positions. what's so hard about that?

[joethefan]

it seems like they are giving him the rope to hang himself by. Let him talk in public so the public can see and feel what he is doing. Thus when they fire him at the end of the year. The fans wont be suprised, they will have first hand knowledge of his words.

that is a good point....maybe they're setting him up....

[joethefan]

i really don't know why he is on this staff. why can't we just have a secondary coach? or if we have two coaches, at least let the cbs and s's work in the same station so they can build chemistry. the coaches can give their own pointers to their positions. what's so hard about that?


yea it's,like you're paid a good portion of money to coach 4 or 5 guys?. as opposed to one guy coaching maybe 8-10..that sounds like a plan that works...it's called togetherness..

[Vonslydog]

That was a very odd interview from Steve Jackson, in my mind. To me, he doesn't really have the demeanor of a coach or of a leader. In my opinion, he's gone. Frankly, Jerry Gray is a better coach.
I agree... very bizarre. He didn't sound like a guy who wanted to be there, or one who was particularly happy after a win.

[CowboyKilla]

One Word:



AKWARD.

[CowboyKilla]

Another Word:



Uncomfortable.

[redskin_rich]

Does anybody remember last year, when we played the Rams, when Gregg Williams shoved Jackson on the sidelines right after Carlos had an INT? I never heard what that was about but I get the feeling that Jackson isn't highly regarded on this staff.

[smoot]

Does anybody remember last year, when we played the Rams, when Gregg Williams shoved Jackson on the sidelines right after Carlos had an INT? I never heard what that was about but I get the feeling that Jackson isn't highly regarded on this staff.
missed that, wish i knew the details about it

[Skins7ny]

I am sorry if I am off-topic on this, but it also about dissension on the staff, on the other side of the ball. Did anybody catch the blurb in the Washington Post this morning, buried in their general skins column, in which Joe Bugel expressed satisfaction with how the OL played? He mentioned that they went back to Redskins football, and said words to the effect of "This is still Joe Gibbs' football team, and he still decides how the offense will be run". Definitely an overt sign of a rift between Buges and Saunders on the direction of the offense. To which I have three observations:
(1) If Saunders is running the offense, he should be deciding the direction of the offense, not Bugel. Clearly, Bugel is not a fan of Saunders' "finesse" approach.
(2) If Gibbs is siding with Bugel, that tells me Saunders is gone in the off-season.
(3) I am not saying Gibbs shouldn't be siding with Bugel, it just tells me that there is huge rift among the offensive coaches, which has kind of been on bubbling on the surface the past few weeks, but I was surprised to see such a blatant (in my opinion) display of it by Bugel.

What do you all think?

[smoot]

I am sorry if I am off-topic on this, but it also about dissension on the staff, on the other side of the ball. Did anybody catch the blurb in the Washington Post this morning, buried in their general skins column, in which Joe Bugel expressed satisfaction with how the OL played? He mentioned that they went back to Redskins football, and said words to the effect of "This is still Joe Gibbs' football team, and he still decides how the offense will be run". Definitely an overt sign of a rift between Buges and Saunders on the direction of the offense. To which I have three observations:
(1) If Saunders is running the offense, he should be deciding the direction of the offense, not Bugel. Clearly, Bugel is not a fan of Saunders' "finesse" approach.
(2) If Gibbs is siding with Bugel, that tells me Saunders is gone in the off-season.
(3) I am not saying Gibbs shouldn't be siding with Bugel, it just tells me that there is huge rift among the offensive coaches, which has kind of been on bubbling on the surface the past few weeks, but I was surprised to see such a blatant (in my opinion) display of it by Bugel.

What do you all think?
interesting, thanks

[redwolf1218]

I am sorry if I am off-topic on this, but it also about dissension on the staff, on the other side of the ball. Did anybody catch the blurb in the Washington Post this morning, buried in their general skins column, in which Joe Bugel expressed satisfaction with how the OL played? He mentioned that they went back to Redskins football, and said words to the effect of "This is still Joe Gibbs' football team, and he still decides how the offense will be run". Definitely an overt sign of a rift between Buges and Saunders on the direction of the offense. To which I have three observations:
(1) If Saunders is running the offense, he should be deciding the direction of the offense, not Bugel. Clearly, Bugel is not a fan of Saunders' "finesse" approach.
(2) If Gibbs is siding with Bugel, that tells me Saunders is gone in the off-season.
(3) I am not saying Gibbs shouldn't be siding with Bugel, it just tells me that there is huge rift among the offensive coaches, which has kind of been on bubbling on the surface the past few weeks, but I was surprised to see such a blatant (in my opinion) display of it by Bugel.

What do you all think?
i think they are all still getting acclimated to each other, and success will come with a "best of both worlds" approach. dont toally scrap the Gibbs/Bugel smash-mouth, power-football mentality. dont totally go with the Saunders finesse approach. get to know each other, get to know your players, and use the best of both worlds.

[jtovb2005]

Where do i see the interview? I went to the site but there are only 4 clips available and this one is not one of them?

Thanks

[redwolf1218]

some guys are not cut out to do interviews. it's a major part of a head coaches job, and a part that Gibbs excells at. some guys hate it, some are simply a public relations nightmare when propped up there at a podium, and reporters smell it like blood on a carcus.

[Skins7ny]

i think they are all still getting acclimated to each other, and success will come with a "best of both worlds" approach. dont toally scrap the Gibbs/Bugel smash-mouth, power-football mentality. dont totally go with the Saunders finesse approach. get to know each other, get to know your players, and use the best of both worlds.

I think that would be ideal, I am just not sure that it is possible.
We have to have one guy calling the plays.
What I would really like is to have Dan Henning back (last weeks Panthers
gameplan notwithstanding). I am trying to remember if Henning was around for all 3 of our titles, or just the first 2. He had a gig with the Falcons in between gigs with us, if I remember correctly. Then again, I am getting older, and I this season has fried my brain.

[redskin_rich]

I think that would be ideal, I am just not sure that it is possible.
We have to have one guy calling the plays.
What I would really like is to have Dan Henning back (last weeks Panthers
gameplan notwithstanding). I am trying to remember if Henning was around for all 3 of our titles, or just the first 2. He had a gig with the Falcons in between gigs with us, if I remember correctly. Then again, I am getting older, and I this season has fried my brain.
Dan Henning was only here for two 2 year stints- 81-82 and 87-88. I don't believe that he ever called the plays here, Gibbs has always done that with the exception (supposedly, according to Gibbs) with the end of '04 and all of '05, where he said Jack Burns was calling the plays. Even in that case, I think Gibbs was making the final decisions.
I think we all need to give Saunders a chance. I'm willing to wait another year before making a judgement on him. He has had to deal with a lot of changes here, QB, starting RB in and out then finally out completely. Lots of things that have contributed to the overall failure.

[redwolf1218]

Dan Henning was only here for two 2 year stints- 81-82 and 87-88. I don't believe that he ever called the plays here, Gibbs has always done that with the exception (supposedly, according to Gibbs) with the end of '04 and all of '05, where he said Jack Burns was calling the plays. Even in that case, I think Gibbs was making the final decisions.
I think we all need to give Saunders a chance. I'm willing to wait another year before making a judgement on him. He has had to deal with a lot of changes here, QB, starting RB in and out then finally out completely. Lots of things that have contributed to the overall failure.
i agree. last week, Cooley said on the radio interview that i always talk about, which no one else ever seems to hear, he said next year this offense is going to be awesome. he said Saunders and Williams are not going anywhere, and next year will be something to see. Elliot said "for Campbell?" and Cooley said "for me, for Campbell, for all of us, we are still learning it, and it is awesome, and next year it will be something to see". i paraphrased all of that, but that was the message.

[hail2skins]

I am sorry if I am off-topic on this, but it also about dissension on the staff, on the other side of the ball. Did anybody catch the blurb in the Washington Post this morning, buried in their general skins column, in which Joe Bugel expressed satisfaction with how the OL played? He mentioned that they went back to Redskins football, and said words to the effect of "This is still Joe Gibbs' football team, and he still decides how the offense will be run". Definitely an overt sign of a rift between Buges and Saunders on the direction of the offense. To which I have three observations:
(1) If Saunders is running the offense, he should be deciding the direction of the offense, not Bugel. Clearly, Bugel is not a fan of Saunders' "finesse" approach.
(2) If Gibbs is siding with Bugel, that tells me Saunders is gone in the off-season.
(3) I am not saying Gibbs shouldn't be siding with Bugel, it just tells me that there is huge rift among the offensive coaches, which has kind of been on bubbling on the surface the past few weeks, but I was surprised to see such a blatant (in my opinion) display of it by Bugel.

What do you all think?The riff is between Gibbs and Saunders, not Bugel and Saunders. Gibbs has been sending messages for awhile now that we need to run the ball more. Yeah, Saunders is the OC but Gibbs is the head coach and the team goes in the direction he wants them to go, not Saunders.

[Skins7ny]

Dan Henning was only here for two 2 year stints- 81-82 and 87-88. I don't believe that he ever called the plays here, Gibbs has always done that with the exception (supposedly, according to Gibbs) with the end of '04 and all of '05, where he said Jack Burns was calling the plays. Even in that case, I think Gibbs was making the final decisions.
I think we all need to give Saunders a chance. I'm willing to wait another year before making a judgement on him. He has had to deal with a lot of changes here, QB, starting RB in and out then finally out completely. Lots of things that have contributed to the overall failure.

I don't disagree with you about Saunders, his system is proven to work everywhere he has been, and its not like he hasn't had a very successful running game to go with his "finesse" offense. I also wouldn't object if Saunders left and Gibbs took the offense back over, either. (But that is just me, I'm just an agreeable person:)). That said, I would hate to start over yet AGAIN with a new system, even if it is Joe's system from the year before. I think we can be potentially awesome next year on offense, and I always thought CP was a better fit in Saunders' run system than in the two Joes' system.

As far as Henning is concerned, the two periods you mention coincide with our first three super bowl wins. My recollection is that Henning sat in the press box, and that according to Gibbs playcalling was him and Henning with input from Don Breaux, Joe Bugel and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Rennie Simmons. I always thought with all the money the Danny hands out, getting Henning back would be $$ well spent. Rumor is that John Fox wants to hire Jim Fassel to run the offense (source: PFW), but there is no way he and Henning could co-exist. Same with Henning and Saunders, I suspect, and with Saunders staying there is no need for Henning, who is still under contract to the Panthers.

[akhhorus]

I think that would be ideal, I am just not sure that it is possible.
We have to have one guy calling the plays.
What I would really like is to have Dan Henning back (last weeks Panthers
gameplan notwithstanding). I am trying to remember if Henning was around for all 3 of our titles, or just the first 2. He had a gig with the Falcons in between gigs with us, if I remember correctly. Then again, I am getting older, and I this season has fried my brain.

The Panthers run one of the most basic and unimaginitive offenses in the league. They just have an amazing WR in Smith who makes the ball move. The skins defense played better, but they still aren't a great defense and they seemed to know exactly where the Panthers would be on every play.

[redwolf1218]

The Panthers run one of the most basic and unimaginitive offenses in the league. They just have an amazing WR in Smith who makes the ball move. The skins defense played better, but they still aren't a great defense and they seemed to know exactly where the Panthers would be on every play.
they have a good running game, a great d-line, and a great receiver in Smith. that's a good combination.

[akhhorus]

they have a good running game, a great d-line, and a great receiver in Smith. that's a good combination.

In order: Eh. Foster is a good back, but cannot stay healthy and is inconsistant; Great dline? I think you mean Oline. No they don't, Gross and Wahle are good, but the rest is shaky. And Smith is a great reciever and makes Delhomme and the passing offense look good when it is rather vanilla. Their offense is completely based on execution and not scheme.

[Skins7ny]

The Panthers run one of the most basic and unimaginitive offenses in the league. They just have an amazing WR in Smith who makes the ball move. The skins defense played better, but they still aren't a great defense and they seemed to know exactly where the Panthers would be on every play.

I can't argue with you about last Sunday's game, we seemed to know what was coming, but I haven't seen enough of the Panthers the last couple of years to comment on the first part of your post. I do know that they have been to a Super Bowl more recently than us, even with Henning's unimaginative offense. I also recall Gibbs' offense being very basic and unimaginative the first go-round, but we got 3 rings. Everyone knew what we were going to do, but no one could stop it.

[akhhorus]

I can't argue with you about last Sunday's game, we seemed to know what was coming, but I haven't seen enough of the Panthers the last couple of years to comment on the first part of your post. I do know that they have been to a Super Bowl more recently than us, even with Henning's unimaginative offense. I also recall Gibbs' offense being very basic and unimaginative the first go-round, but we got 3 rings. Everyone knew what we were going to do, but no one could stop it.

Henning's boring offense got us 1 title. 87 and 91 were Anti-Henning offenses(Gibbs was calling the plays and making the schemes in 87, not Henning I believe) and were far from being unimaginative(91 was just as far from Henning as it gets). 82 was line it up and ram it down their throat with execution. And as for the Panthers making the Super Bowl, that was because of two things: A great dline and steroids.

[redskin_rich]

I don't disagree with you about Saunders, his system is proven to work everywhere he has been, and its not like he hasn't had a very successful running game to go with his "finesse" offense. I also wouldn't object if Saunders left and Gibbs took the offense back over, either. (But that is just me, I'm just an agreeable person:)). That said, I would hate to start over yet AGAIN with a new system, even if it is Joe's system from the year before. I think we can be potentially awesome next year on offense, and I always thought CP was a better fit in Saunders' run system than in the two Joes' system.
Agreed.
As far as Henning is concerned, the two periods you mention coincide with our first three super bowl wins. My recollection is that Henning sat in the press box, and that according to Gibbs playcalling was him and Henning with input from Don Breaux, Joe Bugel and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Rennie Simmons. I always thought with all the money the Danny hands out, getting Henning back would be $$ well spent. Rumor is that John Fox wants to hire Jim Fassel to run the offense (source: PFW), but there is no way he and Henning could co-exist. Same with Henning and Saunders, I suspect, and with Saunders staying there is no need for Henning, who is still under contract to the Panthers.
Well, actually Henning's tenure here coincided with the first Super Bowl win('82 season, SB XVII) and the second win( '87 season, SB XXII). Henning was not here the two years that the Skins made the Super Bowl with the highest ranked offense in the league: '83 season, SB XVIII loss and '91 season, SB XXVI win. Bugel was also gone by '88.
Anyway, I think Saunders is a better OC and this team will get into gear next season.

[redwolf1218]

In order: Eh. Foster is a good back, but cannot stay healthy and is inconsistant; Great dline? I think you mean Oline. No they don't, Gross and Wahle are good, but the rest is shaky. And Smith is a great reciever and makes Delhomme and the passing offense look good when it is rather vanilla. Their offense is completely based on execution and not scheme.
i meant d-line. they have Miker Ruckers and Julius Peppers. then a 330 and a 350 pounder at the tackles, and Ruckers and Peppers are speed guys, and Peppers is one of the best in the league, a great overall athlete with freakish size and speed. i think i'd rather have him on my time over anyone.

agreed their offense is predictable and simple, but with a good running game, they seem to be able to plug in anyone and succeed, and Smith is always a threat to score, much like Santana Moss.

my point was, it might not be flashy, but they get results with that combination, and beating them is almost always a hard-fought accomplishment.

[akhhorus]

i meant d-line. they have Miker Ruckers and Julius Peppers. then a 330 and a 350 pounder at the tackles, and Ruckers and Peppers are speed guys, and Peppers is one of the best in the league, a great overall athlete with freakish size and speed. i think i'd rather have him on my time over anyone.

That doesn't mean much for the offense. Peppers is great, but he takes games off. Rucker seems to be benefiting from Peppers drawing attention. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have peppers.

agreed their offense is predictable and simple, but with a good running game, they seem to be able to plug in anyone and succeed, and Smith is always a threat to score, much like Santana Moss.

my point was, it might not be flashy, but they get results with that combination, and beating them is almost always a hard-fought accomplishment.

Yes and no. They do win some games on that, but they also lose too many against imaginative and/or good D-coordinators.

[redwolf1218]

That doesn't mean much for the offense. Peppers is great, but he takes games off. Rucker seems to be benefiting from Peppers drawing attention. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have peppers.



Yes and no. They do win some games on that, but they also lose too many against imaginative and/or good D-coordinators.
that year they made it all the way, they had an incredible number of close wins, several in overtime. they give everyone hope with their philosophy on both sides of the ball. anyone who beats them can be proud of having survived a hard fought game.

[shally]

i meant d-line. they have Miker Ruckers and Julius Peppers. then a 330 and a 350 pounder at the tackles, and Ruckers and Peppers are speed guys, and Peppers is one of the best in the league, a great overall athlete with freakish size and speed. i think i'd rather have him on my time over anyone.

agreed their offense is predictable and simple, but with a good running game, they seem to be able to plug in anyone and succeed, and Smith is always a threat to score, much like Santana Moss.

my point was, it might not be flashy, but they get results with that combination, and beating them is almost always a hard-fought accomplishment.

as good as their d line is always looking, when it comes down to it, they seem to come up small in a lot of important games.. sometimes they get shredded on the run

[bgforever]

so.. who comes back next year from the def staff?

jackson ? gray ? williams ?? interesting that lindsay, who has been a lightning rod before this does not even get a mention..


:lol1: I misread a part and thought it said "DEAF STAFF"

[bgforever]

Agreed.
Well, actually Henning's tenure here coincided with the first Super Bowl win('82 season, SB XVII) and the second win( '87 season, SB XXII). Henning was not here the two years that the Skins made the Super Bowl with the highest ranked offense in the league: '83 season, SB XVIII loss and '91 season, SB XXVI win. Bugel was also gone by '88.
Anyway, I think Saunders is a better OC and this team will get into gear next season.


Man, great observation and you have to really tip your hat to Joe Gibbs even more on these particulars, because he had to rebuild the staff over and over, while replenishing the stock from about 5 - 7 key moments, Riggins hip injury and slowing down, along with some stout defenders dropping off, Joe Theismann's injury and the oncoming Pearl Harbor Crew, The plucking of the Assistants to He, Buges, Pettibone, - then the blowup with Beatherd.

[wewantdallas]

it seems like they are giving him the rope to hang himself by. Let him talk in public so the public can see and feel what he is doing. Thus when they fire him at the end of the year. The fans wont be suprised, they will have first hand knowledge of his words.

No way they would do this. They can fire anyone at any time if they want to. This isn't like a typical office situation where you have to build a case to fire an employee to avoid a lawsuit.

Most fans have no idea who this guy is anyway, so it's not like people are going to be saying, "They fired Jackson?!?? NO!! NO!!!"

I'm amazed he's still employed at all if ANY of that article is true. Just the situation with the meetings should result in his immediate termination.

[joethefan]

No way they would do this. They can fire anyone at any time if they want to. This isn't like a typical office situation where you have to build a case to fire an employee to avoid a lawsuit.

Most fans have no idea who this guy is anyway, so it's not like people are going to be saying, "They fired Jackson?!?? NO!! NO!!!"

I'm amazed he's still employed at all if ANY of that article is true. Just the situation with the meetings should result in his immediate termination.

well maybe he's not gone because GW knows of the situation and is trying to get it in order....the scondary played well last week. Let see what happens this week...

[smoak]

well maybe he's not gone because GW knows of the situation and is trying to get it in order....the scondary played well last week. Let see what happens this week...

Omar Stoutmire cam out and said the secondary met separately last year as well. I forget where I reaad it so I can't provide a link but... Makes for an interesting thought.

[joethefan]

Omar Stoutmire cam out and said the secondary met separately last year as well. I forget where I reaad it so I can't provide a link but... Makes for an interesting thought.


If that's the case and they played well last year then why is it that this and issue now? Is it because Steven Jackson is seen to be allegedly pouting on practice, in the sideline and not coaching his guys up?

[Skins7ny]

No way they would do this. They can fire anyone at any time if they want to. This isn't like a typical office situation where you have to build a case to fire an employee to avoid a lawsuit.

Most fans have no idea who this guy is anyway, so it's not like people are going to be saying, "They fired Jackson?!?? NO!! NO!!!"

I'm amazed he's still employed at all if ANY of that article is true. Just the situation with the meetings should result in his immediate termination.

If Gibbs actually fires Jackson, then you know he was really ticked.
I don't think he has ever actually fired anybody. Look for Jackson to
get a soft landing as the (sole) DB coach for another team, or a coordinator position in college. "He will be leaving the team for this great opportunity he just could not pass up. I am just sick about it..."

[smoak]

If that's the case and they played well last year then why is it that this and issue now? Is it because Steven Jackson is seen to be allegedly pouting on practice, in the sideline and not coaching his guys up?

I get to the point where speculation and guesswork isn't fun... I just thought I'd share what I heard.

All I know is I want what ever the problem is to be fixed immediately.

[hockeygoalie29]

Omar Stoutmire cam out and said the secondary met separately last year as well. I forget where I reaad it so I can't provide a link but... Makes for an interesting thought.


Williams himself commented on this today in La Canfora's Post article. When he was asked about the seperate meetings, he said that's the way he's run the meetings "for a long time."


The unidentified player was also critical of Williams for allegedly allowing safeties and cornerbacks to meet separately for the first time this season. But the coach said assertions that his meeting routines are "unprecedented" are "incorrect."


"I've been doing this for a long time and we're meeting the same way we've been meeting for a long time," Williams said. "They're two different positions and I've been doing those for a long time on a lot of different staffs and Buddy Ryan's staffs. You do that. Everybody looks for time to get their position coach, and then there's combination times when the entire defense meets."

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/30/AR2006113001499.html)

[American Soldier]

It bothers me because you like to love Gibbs when he does stuff you like and disassociate yourself when he does something you don't like. You're like an neglectful parent with him.



And no one you've argued with recently has apologized for Gibbs that much. Thats what you're subtly accusing people of here. Your "interpretation" is based on the premise that you think you know as much or more about football than Gibbs.



You brought up this thread to bang the drum for your boy Arch.



There's a clique? Everyone argues with everyone else here. There's no bloc or conspiracy



Riiiiiight. If you really were getting pms like that, you wouldn't say it.



Except when it comes to Archuleta and Gibbs, you clearly have an agenda. You love Archuleta no matter what and act like a child about him you're so defensive and you act like you know more about football than Gibbs since you coach youth league football. Thats just sad joe and it just gets funnier and sadder everytime you post on either Arch or Gibbs.

Sounds like you guys need to be on the Contender.

[smoot]

Sounds like you guys need to be on the Contender.
i'd stay out of it if i were you. the crossfire can be pretty bad

[redwolf1218]

If Gibbs actually fires Jackson, then you know he was really ticked.
I don't think he has ever actually fired anybody. Look for Jackson to
get a soft landing as the (sole) DB coach for another team, or a coordinator position in college. "He will be leaving the team for this great opportunity he just could not pass up. I am just sick about it..."
interesting how you called this, but then a story comes out about Grey being interested in a college coaching job in Texas.

[ryflan47]

Looks like our secondary coaching may undergo a bit of a shake-up this offseason. I LOVE INSTABILITY :rolleyes:

[garedskin]

It is funny reading all the reasons why the defence has been simply horrible this year.The latest theory just made me LOL.The CB'S AND Safeties all of a sudden have seperate meetings from each other and having one coach for safties and one for cb's is crazy.Well the trueth has come out about how they do actually have secondary meetings together.They also have positional meetings with their respective coachs.Williams and co have been doing it that way since coming to Washington and NOW it is the wrong way to do things at Redskin Park......Please.I believe the reason for the defensive whoas this year is injuries to the d-line and the cornerbacks.I might be wrong but the Carolina game was the first time all the starters where on the field together.The dline has had to start both of the rookies they drafted at the all important DT positions.I liked what I seen last week from the defence and I hope the injury bug has passed for us.....we need some good luck for a change.I just think Archuleta just needs to adapt to his role here.I have never seen a safety just get blocked out of the way EVERY single time he comes on a rare blitz like he had.If he wants to be effective he needs to hit the film room and figure out what he needs to do to get the job done when they call on him to play again.The picks at the start and end of the game where great but we need a hell of alot more of those in the second and third quarters as well.I hope Rogers can learn to catch the ball.He showed us last year in the playoff game against seattle and ALL season long this year that he drops his chances.I am not sure if he actually has a pick this year or not but I have seen him drop way too many.Turnovers end drives and they have not been getting many this year.Maybe the defence has finally gotten its act together for the rest of the season.I would love for the team to finish the season out on a 6 game winning streak.I am sure the cant doers in here will say the schedule is way to strong for us to do that.I think they can do it....again.:Peace:

[garedskin]

It is funny reading all the reasons why the defence has been simply horrible this year.The latest theory just made me LOL.The CB'S AND Safeties all of a sudden have seperate meetings from each other and having one coach for safties and one for cb's is crazy.Well the trueth has come out about how they do actually have secondary meetings together.They also have positional meetings with their respective coachs.Williams and co have been doing it that way since coming to Washington and NOW it is the wrong way to do things at Redskin Park......Please.I believe the reason for the defensive whoas this year is injuries to the d-line and the cornerbacks.I might be wrong but the Carolina game was the first time all the starters where on the field together.The dline has had to start both of the rookies they drafted at the all important DT positions.I liked what I seen last week from the defence and I hope the injury bug has passed for us.....we need some good luck for a change.I just think Archuleta just needs to adapt to his role here.I have never seen a safety just get blocked out of the way EVERY single time he comes on a rare blitz like he has.If he wants to be effective he needs to hit the film room and figure out what he needs to do to get the job done when they call on him to play again.The picks at the start and end of the game where great but we need a hell of alot more of those in the second and third quarters as well.I hope Rogers can learn to catch the ball.He showed us last year in the playoff game against seattle and ALL season long this year that he drops his chances.I am not sure if he actually has a pick this year or not but I have seen him drop way too many.Turnovers end drives and they have not been getting many this year.Maybe the defence has finally gotten its act together for the rest of the season.I would love for the team to finish the season out on a 6 game winning streak.I am sure the cant doers in here will say the schedule is way to strong for us to do that.I think they can do it....again.:Peace:

[shally]

interesting how you called this, but then a story comes out about Grey being interested in a college coaching job in Texas.

gray is a different story... he was considered an outside candidate for a few head coaching positions before he was fired .... the texas job would be an interval step allowing him to rehab his rep before returning to the pros as a coordinator or head coach.. we were just a year to let him catch his breath so to speak.
jackson is another matter. he will be gone and most likely will end up being a secondary coach anywhere he goes.. stranger things than that have happened, i must admit (like millen going from commentator to GM !!!), but i do not see jackson rising above the position coach level any time soon..

[shally]

Looks like our secondary coaching may undergo a bit of a shake-up this offseason. I LOVE INSTABILITY :rolleyes:
some changes HAVE to be made... besides, there are always changes even among the most stable coaching staffs. look who the patriots have lost over the years.
success breeds transitions