Ladell Betts FA next season

[hogs86]

Ok Ladell will be a FA next season.And the last two games he has played well.So what is Ladell value.I know many will say if we can keep him on the cheap end keep him.But i do not think he will come cheap.We all say we must keep our core guys is Laddell one of them.So again do we go after him or do we lose him to a team like the giants who will need to replace Tiki ?

[Lavar703]

Ok Ladell will be a FA next season.And the last two games he has played well.So what is Ladell value.I know many will say if we can keep him on the cheap end keep him.But i do not think he will come cheap.We all say we must keep our core guys is Laddell one of them.So again do we go after him or do we lose him to a team like the giants who will need to replace Tiki ?

No he will not go to the giants, they already have brandon jacobs, all we can hope for is for him to tear it up the rest of the season and franchise him, a team like houston or oakland may just bite, i really dont see that happening because of how terrible are front office is but it would work out great for this team, or maybe we can pull a sign and trade off?

[DoGood]

I hate to continue letting our own homegrown players leave but I think Duckett is a much better compliment to Portis and should stay provided we can sign him. I've always like Ladell and would not be upset if we did resign him.

[redskin_rich]

I say let Ladell walk. He doesn't impress me, he is an adequate backup at best.

[helimech24]

No he will not go to the giants, they already have brandon jacobs, all we can hope for is for him to tear it up the rest of the season and franchise him, a team like houston or oakland may just bite, i really dont see that happening because of how terrible are front office is but it would work out great for this team, or maybe we can pull a sign and trade off?If we franchise him, I believe we have to pay him a salary that is equal to the average of the top 5 in the NFL, and that would not be a good idea.

[helimech24]

I say let Ladell walk. He doesn't impress me, he is an adequate backup at best.I second that.

[Emmanouel8]

Someone will give Ladell more money than he's worth.

I don't know if I can blame the FO if they don't resign him. All of the sudden he's durable and those recurrent hamstring problems in past years don't seem to be keeping him from playing in his contract year. :rolleyes: I've noticed these kind of players go back to their old habits once they get a contract and good riddance. Anyways I'd say we'd have to give him more than he's worth to us to keep him.

The other thing to add is we simply don't win with him.

[Green-Is-Good]

The other thing to add is we simply don't win with him.

We didn't win with CP, either.
Betts may be playing, and we may be losing, but that doesn't necessarily pin the loss on Betts' play.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

See ya, Ladell.

[SkinsKY]

I'd sign him for backup money. That's what he is. He has good games sometimes when portis is out, but he hasn't shown me that he's special. Offer him a backup contract and if he takes it, great, if not, let him go somewhere else.

[Patrick]

I hate to continue letting our own homegrown players leave but I think Duckett is a much better compliment to Portis and should stay provided we can sign him. I've always like Ladell and would not be upset if we did resign him.

LMAO ................ and you honestly think Duckett wants to stay HERE? GET REAL.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

LMAO ................ and you honestly think Duckett want to stay HERE? GET REAL.
Hey, he's being paid lots of money to do nothing..I could live with that..lol...
(Seriously, if Ladell walks, we would have to give Duckett lots of money to keep him.)

[smoak]

I've always liked Ladell and now that he is likely to go somewhere and start, it'll be interesting to see how he does.

[higgybaby]

I say let Ladell walk. He doesn't impress me, he is an adequate backup at best.


I disagree, I think that Ladell needs to be resigned and the sooner the better. I hate to say this but, I think CP is only going to become more fragile in the near future and Ladell is capable of running for this team full time IMHO.

[smoak]

I disagree, I think that Ladell needs to be resigned and the sooner the better. I hate to say this but, I think CP is only going to become more fragile in the near future and Ladell is capable of running for this team full time IMHO.

You're assuming he would WANT to backup CP.

[dj_stouty]

Neither Betts or TJ will be a Redskin next year. Both are ending their rookie contracts and this is the contract year in which they can get their payday. Both believe they can be full time starters...and there are a handful of teams who will over pay for them.

[higgybaby]

I am actually thinking more in line with replacing CP. I think CP's value will be at its highest this offseason***IF*** big if, CP trends into year in year out injuries... I know it will never happen and it probably is too much of a question mark to take this gamble, but if the team thinks there is any real risk of CP becoming a injury prone RB(the shoulder issue is the injury I am more concerned with as it is more prone to become an on going problem) then you should trade him this offseason for everything you can get while his value is still high. (ps i dont want to do this just tossing out an idea)

If the team were to go this route then they have CP's replacement on the team already in LB and Duckett(I know neither of them are close to CP's talent) but both could definately be starters IMHO on this team and this offense will right itself with the peices that we already have and another year under the system.

[joethefan]

I believe that any man would want to be a backup if the price is right....I'd say sign betts and unfortunately being a though we have only one first day pick, I'd say trade him. Portis and Duckett lookk more like the past tandums we've had, Riggins/Washingnton....Riggs,Ervin/Byner....I just think that with our need right now we need some depth at certain positions like Tackle, Guard, CB and Even TE....We will really have to use the draft to get some of these guys...IMO.

And being as though our cap is so tight right now, It'll probably force us to use the draft...the next couple of years....

[joethefan]

I am actually thinking more in line with replacing CP. I think CP's value will be at its highest this offseason***IF*** big if, CP trends into year in year out injuries... I know it will never happen and it probably is too much of a question mark to take this gamble, but if the team thinks there is any real risk of CP becoming a injury prone RB(the shoulder issue is the injury I am more concerned with as it is more prone to become an on going problem) then you should trade him this offseason for everything you can get while his value is still high. (ps i dont want to do this just tossing out an idea)

If the team were to go this route then they have CP's replacement on the team already in LB and Duckett(I know neither of them are close to CP's talent) but both could definately be starters IMHO on this team and this offense will right itself with the peices that we already have and another year under the system.

You idea soulnds great and I even thought that too, but his contract is crazy big, and no one in thier right mind would take Portis with that contract, let's face it we'll be stuck with him for a while at least from a cap point of view...

[PennSkinsFan]

I hate to continue letting our own homegrown players leave but I think Duckett is a much better compliment to Portis and should stay provided we can sign him. I've always like Ladell and would not be upset if we did resign him.

Neither will be here. Betts will leave for a starting job and Duckett has too many internal hard feelings about not playing much this season. Like it or not, that is reality and portis will have a brand new backup in 2007.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Neither will be here. Betts will leave for a starting job and Duckett has too many internal hard feelings about not playing much this season. Like it or not, that is reality and portis will have a brand new backup in 2007.
The good news being that backup RB is probably the easiest role to fill in a roster.

[dj_stouty]

The good news being that backup RB is probably the easiest role to fill in a roster.

Yes. I'm sure the Redskins have some 2nd and 3rd round picks left in the '09 draft that they can use for trade bait for a backup RB. ;)

[akhhorus]

Neither will be here. Betts will leave for a starting job and Duckett has too many internal hard feelings about not playing much this season. Like it or not, that is reality and portis will have a brand new backup in 2007.

I have a feeling that Duckett might not void his final year and see how he's used with Betts out of the picture. If he does well or isn't used in 07, he's still a UFA and someone will sign him. The problem with the FA RB market is that there aren't that many open jobs in the NFL this coming offseason and there's going to be 2 names via trade(turner and benson) and a ton of RBs in the 1st round.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I have a feeling that Duckett might not void his final year and see how he's used with Betts out of the picture. If he does well or isn't used in 07, he's still a UFA and someone will sign him. The problem with the FA RB market is that there aren't that many open jobs in the NFL this coming offseason and there's going to be 2 names via trade(turner and benson) and a ton of RBs in the 1st round.
Good news for us.

[lakewinola]

I could have sworn that I heard on the radio that Betts was close to an extension here?

[PennSkinsFan]

I could have sworn that I heard on the radio that Betts was close to an extension here?

Remember, a deal was imminentfor Daryl Gardener and Antonio Pierce as well, and they left.

[shally]

Ok Ladell will be a FA next season.And the last two games he has played well.So what is Ladell value.I know many will say if we can keep him on the cheap end keep him.But i do not think he will come cheap.We all say we must keep our core guys is Laddell one of them.So again do we go after him or do we lose him to a team like the giants who will need to replace Tiki ?

simply put, we lose him because we won't pay him starters money..
someone will.. not the giants

[shally]

Good news for us.

TJ will not be getting starters money, however

[SpicyMcHaggis]

TJ will not be getting starters money, however
Even with the awesome season he is having this year?

[RedskinRyan]

No he will not go to the giants, they already have brandon jacobs, all we can hope for is for him to tear it up the rest of the season and franchise him, a team like houston or oakland may just bite, i really dont see that happening because of how terrible are front office is but it would work out great for this team, or maybe we can pull a sign and trade off?

the giants will be getting another RB this offseason. BJ hasnt gotten enough playing time to show hes capable of carrying the load(blocking, receiving) so they arent gonna leave that kinda hole. will it be ladell? not sure. but hes certainly proving what he can do. he will be gone.

[shally]

the giants will be getting another RB this offseason. BJ hasnt gotten enough playing time to show hes capable of carrying the load(blocking, receiving) so they arent gonna leave that kinda hole. will it be ladell? not sure. but hes certainly proving what he can do. he will be gone.

betts would be fine for the giants-- but they will have to play jacobs more or he will become a malcontent.. plus, betts still needs to prove he can stay healthy long term

[Apache]

I disagree, I think that Ladell needs to be resigned and the sooner the better. I hate to say this but, I think CP is only going to become more fragile in the near future and Ladell is capable of running for this team full time IMHO.

I think Ladell could be signed for backup money but, he's no CP. I am however very worried CP might be on a downward spiral and I like Ladell but, he's no Portis style running back. It's not a bad year for Betts but, it's not been that unhidden talent we've been searching for either. All I know is he needs to look good to boost his career opps. Next year he'll be back to pulling hamstrings etc. but, I wish LB all the luck.

[akhhorus]

Good news for us.

Just off the top of my head: GB, Balto(maybe), Giants(maybe), Philly(maybe), Jets(maybe), Detroit(maybe), Cleveland, Houston(maybe), Denver(always) will be looking for a new RB. Now the market for fa rbs looks like this:
Ahman Green, Chris Brown, Chris Perry(rfa), Michael Turner(rfa), Musa Smith, Dominic Rhodes. Along with 4-7 rbs who will go in the first two rounds. Now, honestly: if you're an NFL Gm of any of those teams, would you throw 2-3 million at Betts or Duckett when you can get any of those guys or any of the rookies? I think Duckett will wait till 2007 considering that he will be in Betts' role(assuming Betts walks). If they resign Betts to an extention, then Duckett will walk.

[Green-Is-Good]

Duckett may be a better complement to Portis' running style, but as an insurance policy for when CP is hurt, I am much more comfortable with Ladell. TJ can't block or catch passes.

[helimech24]

Just off the top of my head: GB, Balto(maybe), Giants(maybe), Philly(maybe), Jets(maybe), Detroit(maybe), Cleveland, Houston(maybe), Denver(always) will be looking for a new RB. Now the market for fa rbs looks like this:
Ahman Green, Chris Brown, Chris Perry(rfa), Michael Turner(rfa), Musa Smith, Dominic Rhodes. Along with 4-7 rbs who will go in the first two rounds. Now, honestly: if you're an NFL Gm of any of those teams, would you throw 2-3 million at Betts or Duckett when you can get any of those guys or any of the rookies? I think Duckett will wait till 2007 considering that he will be in Betts' role(assuming Betts walks). If they resign Betts to an extention, then Duckett will walk.I agree with you. A lot of people think that there is a lot of opening for starting RBs, but it just isn't true. With all the teams you named, only GB and Cleveland needs a RB and the rest would be a competition in the offseason and preseason. Not very promising for our backups.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Perfect world - we have enough draft picks so that we can invest a nice 3rd rounder on a back-up RB. Then we wouldn't have to worry about resigning either of them.

[Apache]

Duckett may be a better complement to Portis' running style, but as an insurance policy for when CP is hurt, I am much more comfortable with Ladell. TJ can't block or catch passes.


As big as TJ is and he can't block?? I've never really seen TJ play. What I did see was hime dragging some guys yesterday before he went down. If Ladell remains healthy, I've always liked him and thought he was pretty decent. Perhaps that's why he's not a starter type player. He got lucky this year with his play time and seems to be doing fairly well. I'd be happy keeping him as long as he could remain healthy.

[shally]

Just off the top of my head: GB, Balto(maybe), Giants(maybe), Philly(maybe), Jets(maybe), Detroit(maybe), Cleveland, Houston(maybe), Denver(always) will be looking for a new RB. Now the market for fa rbs looks like this:
Ahman Green, Chris Brown, Chris Perry(rfa), Michael Turner(rfa), Musa Smith, Dominic Rhodes. Along with 4-7 rbs who will go in the first two rounds. Now, honestly: if you're an NFL Gm of any of those teams, would you throw 2-3 million at Betts or Duckett when you can get any of those guys or any of the rookies? I think Duckett will wait till 2007 considering that he will be in Betts' role(assuming Betts walks). If they resign Betts to an extention, then Duckett will walk.

i think the only way they re sign betts is if they are hedging about portis' health.. if he is okay, betts is gone..TJ might be fine in reserve of CP but he is not a primary back and i do not think a team will pay him as such.. betts ? maybe.. maybe...

[akhhorus]

i think the only way they re sign betts is if they are hedging about portis' health.. if he is okay, betts is gone..TJ might be fine in reserve of CP but he is not a primary back and i do not think a team will pay him as such.. betts ? maybe.. maybe...

I don't think they resign him unless he goes through the market and comes out with nothing more than vet's minimum offer. I think if I'm duckett, I see when the offense was being run properly, they need 2 backs and he probably won't get much more in the market than what we're offering anyways in terms of an extention. I think he stays.

[shally]

I don't think they resign him unless he goes through the market and comes out with nothing more than vet's minimum offer. I think if I'm duckett, I see when the offense was being run properly, they need 2 backs and he probably won't get much more in the market than what we're offering anyways in terms of an extention. I think he stays.

agree about TJ..

as for betts he still has to stay healthy for 4 more games and that is no sure thing.. he takes a lot of big hits and sooner or later something is going to get cracked...

i think taylor has tailed off some for minny and jordan is out for oakland.. might work against betts. but i still think someone will offer him more thanthe skins are willing to.. could end up being the giants, they seem to like our rejects (LLH,pierce,morton) they might figure with jacobs getting more carries betts might be a good fit.. he is a fine receiver so that fits their system..
a lot has to do with whether coughlin comes back also.. accorsi is gone too.
much uncertainty for the giants this off season

[wide_awake]

Just off the top of my head: GB, Balto(maybe), Giants(maybe), Philly(maybe), Jets(maybe), Detroit(maybe), Cleveland, Houston(maybe), Denver(always) will be looking for a new RB. Now the market for fa rbs looks like this:
Ahman Green, Chris Brown, Chris Perry(rfa), Michael Turner(rfa), Musa Smith, Dominic Rhodes. Along with 4-7 rbs who will go in the first two rounds. Now, honestly: if you're an NFL Gm of any of those teams, would you throw 2-3 million at Betts or Duckett when you can get any of those guys or any of the rookies? I think Duckett will wait till 2007 considering that he will be in Betts' role(assuming Betts walks). If they resign Betts to an extention, then Duckett will walk.

With the exception of maybe Michael Turner, i'd put Betts amongst all those candidates. However i think it's clear that drafting running backs is cheaper and way more effective. Unless this past draft was just a fluke of great, productive running backs...

Addai, Jones-Drew, Norwood, D. Williams, Maroney.

I'd take any of those rookies over every single one of those free agents.

[akhhorus]

With the exception of maybe Michael Turner, i'd put Betts amongst all those candidates. However i think it's clear that drafting running backs is cheaper and way more effective. Unless this past draft was just a fluke of great, productive running backs...

Addai, Jones-Drew, Norwood, D. Williams, Maroney.

I'd take any of those rookies over every single one of those free agents.

And that might prove my point further(btw Betts isn't even in the class of guys like Chris Perry or Rhodes). 4 of those rookies might be pushing a vet onto the market, which will further reduce Betts' value.

[helimech24]

And that might prove my point further(btw Betts isn't even in the class of guys like Chris Perry or Rhodes). 4 of those rookies might be pushing a vet onto the market, which will further reduce Betts' value.Don't say that. Now everyone will want to cut CP and get Perry in here as the starter. Talk about injury problems, this guy has a lot of them too.

[CNYSkinFan]

The more I see things playong out, I think Betts future is drectly tied to Saunders. If Saunders stays, then so does Betts. If not then betts may go wherever Saunders ends up.

[helimech24]

The more I see things playong out, I think Betts future is drectly tied to Saunders. If Saunders stays, then so does Betts. If not then betts may go wherever Saunders ends up.I think so to. Betts seems to fit into Saunders system better.

[SkinsKY]

The good news being that backup RB is probably the easiest role to fill in a roster.

Where's Trung Canidate? Let's bring him back. ;)

[akhhorus]

Don't say that. Now everyone will want to cut CP and get Perry in here as the starter. Talk about injury problems, this guy has a lot of them too.

Perry has had his injury problems, but he's as very talented RB stuck behind a pro bowl back. Betts isn't anything more than a career backup, he's not a full time starter in this league.

[silverspring]

One day we are all going to realize that the "there is always something better" attitude hasn't gotten us anywhere. Betts is a solid backup that has filled the starter role on many occassions with success. He isn't spectacular and won't be, but he gets the job done. I think it will end up costing us more if we don't re-sign him unless we get real lucky and find someone on the cheap like lumsden that actually works out.

[helimech24]

Perry has had his injury problems, but he's as very talented RB stuck behind a pro bowl back. Betts isn't anything more than a career backup, he's not a full time starter in this league.
Oh, I am not saying any different. We just need to schedule these injuries to be offsetting with CP. Betts isn't a starter, and Rhodes/Perry could be.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

JLC of Wash. Post thinks Betts will be resigned before season out. He seems to be right often.

Below is quote and link.

I have a feeling a new deal with Betts gets done before the end of the season. Not just yet. But I could see him signing in the coming weeks. He did miss at least one key pass protection - going left inside of right - that led to be a big play for the ATL defense (again, where were the adjustments to the blitz?)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/12/monday_monring_hback.html

[helimech24]

JLC of Wash. Post thinks Betts will be resigned before season out. He seems to be right often.

Below is quote and link.

I have a feeling a new deal with Betts gets done before the end of the season. Not just yet. But I could see him signing in the coming weeks. He did miss at least one key pass protection - going left inside of right - that led to be a big play for the ATL defense (again, where were the adjustments to the blitz?)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/12/monday_monring_hback.html
As long as he doesn't get over paid and understands tha CP is the feature back, I'm cool with it.

[meloveskinslongtime]

dont know if this was said already but ....

i was listening to chris cooley on elliot in the morning today and elliot asked if betts was pretty much running for a large contract that some other team would give him. cooley then said that he wasnt sure that betts would leave. he said that he actually heard rumors that the skins were close to a deal to keep betts here.

[shally]

One day we are all going to realize that the "there is always something better" attitude hasn't gotten us anywhere. Betts is a solid backup that has filled the starter role on many occassions with success. He isn't spectacular and won't be, but he gets the job done. I think it will end up costing us more if we don't re-sign him unless we get real lucky and find someone on the cheap like lumsden that actually works out.

we are not looking to pay 2 backs starters money... if betts is reasonable, i say sign him by all means.. but if he wants starters money, let him go. duckett is good enough for short yardage and to spell portis once and a while.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

we are not looking to pay 2 backs starters money... if betts is reasonable, i say sign him by all means.. but if he wants starters money, let him go. duckett is good enough for short yardage and to spell portis once and a while.
If we are close to signing Betts, I'm sure its at a reasonable number. The Redskins are all about fiscal responsibility.:)

[shally]

dont know if this was said already but ....

i was listening to chris cooley on elliot in the morning today and elliot asked if betts was pretty much running for a large contract that some other team would give him. cooley then said that he wasnt sure that betts would leave. he said that he actually heard rumors that the skins were close to a deal to keep betts here.

that rumor is going around alot now..even to the point that there were a couple of rumors that betts was signed.. i think that is just rumor and nothing more at this point..

[shally]

If we are close to signing Betts, I'm sure its at a reasonable number. The Redskins are all about fiscal responsibility.:)

and correct assessments of how a player would fit into our playing schemes, too

[LATrueRedskin]

At this point, I would love to keep Ladell. We obviously don't like using T.J. Duckett, and Ladell is a very quality, all-around back. If the contract isn't too big (which it probably will be), I'd love to have him on this football team next year.

[70chip-on-1]

I dunno... Ladell Betts is good when he's healthy, but his injury history is DAUNTING. He was always hurt before this contract year. His nickname around here a year or 2 ago was the 'Porcelain Doll'. I don't know enough about TJ to make a determination, but he looks like a bawler to me and like someone here said earlier, could be a nice compliment to CP around the goaline. Does anyone here REALLY know if he can't block or catch? I haven't seen enough of him to make that judgement. However with all that said, believe it or not, Running Back talent is one of the easiest skills to find, and it comes relatively cheap in the NFL. Unless you are a top tier talent like Portis, you NEVER doll out big money to a RB. And I don't think we should start now. What about Lumsden!?!?

[schmitty199]

No he will not go to the giants, they already have brandon jacobs, all we can hope for is for him to tear it up the rest of the season and franchise him, a team like houston or oakland may just bite, i really dont see that happening because of how terrible are front office is but it would work out great for this team, or maybe we can pull a sign and trade off?


Franchise? So basically you want to pay him as much as Portis makes next year? Not a smart move investing well into double digit millions for a pair of RB's.

From a non biased view here Ladell is probably going to go after a shot to start somewhere else. The Giants are a possiblility. Didnt they try to trade for him or something a little ways back? Im not real worried if the Giants get him though. Alright player but not a true number 1 back. Maybe Betts and Jacobs could make a tough duo.... who knows

[schmitty199]

Perry has had his injury problems, but he's as very talented RB stuck behind a pro bowl back. Betts isn't anything more than a career backup, he's not a full time starter in this league.


Just jumping in here your talking about Chris Perry right?

He was a tough runner at michigan. Idk if he's got the speed of a full time back and doesnt have enough power to make up for it. Good recieving skills though.

He's a guy whos best off splitting the load with another guy like a Brian Westbrook or something....

[akhhorus]

Just jumping in here your talking about Chris Perry right?

He was a tough runner at michigan. Idk if he's got the speed of a full time back and doesnt have enough power to make up for it. Good recieving skills though.

He's a guy whos best off splitting the load with another guy like a Brian Westbrook or something....

He deserves a shot(and will get it) as a fulltime back, but the odds are he might end up like Westbroke.

[skinsfan36]

gibbs said in his press conference he is a high priority to resign. id like to know about dockery now,and giving cooley an extension.

[helimech24]

He deserves a shot(and will get it) as a fulltime back, but the odds are he might end up like Westbroke.That isn't a bad thing with a skill set that he has.

[shally]

That isn't a bad thing with a skill set that he has.

no.. but westbroke keeps pushing for more.. and will keep getting injured

[helimech24]

no.. but westbroke keeps pushing for more.. and will keep getting injuredTrue, but almost every running back gets hurt every year at some point. It really comes down to whether the back constantly gets put on IR or not.

BTW, McNabb also does the same thing and has been injured at the end of the season the 4 years I think.

[shally]

True, but almost every running back gets hurt every year at some point. It really comes down to whether the back constantly gets put on IR or not.

BTW, McNabb also does the same thing and has been injured at the end of the season the 4 years I think.

mcnabb is breaking down.. he has ended the past 2 seasons on IR.. the folks in philly are not happy..

westbroke had a run of major injuries early on and seems to be holding up better the past year-- but he is too small to be used constantly

[schmitty199]

He deserves a shot(and will get it) as a fulltime back, but the odds are he might end up like Westbroke.


He was a 1st rounder so of course he deserves a shot somewhere but where? If I were a general manager I wouldnt go after him without another capable back on the roster.

Maybe somewhere like oakland NYG or houston.

I dont ever see him being a bigtime back though.

[Biggie]

He was a 1st rounder so of course he deserves a shot somewhere but where? If I were a general manager I wouldnt go after him without another capable back on the roster.

Maybe somewhere like oakland NYG or houston.

I dont ever see him being a bigtime back though.

He was a second rounder.

[schmitty199]

mcnabb is breaking down.. he has ended the past 2 seasons on IR.. the folks in philly are not happy..

westbroke had a run of major injuries early on and seems to be holding up better the past year-- but he is too small to be used constantly


McNabb will be back in Green next year. I expect him to be ready week 1 and still be a good player.

[schmitty199]

He was a second rounder.


You sure? Im 99 percent positive cincinati used around the 26th pick i nthe 04 draft on him. Could be wrong I suppose.

[shally]

He was a 1st rounder so of course he deserves a shot somewhere but where? If I were a general manager I wouldnt go after him without another capable back on the roster.

Maybe somewhere like oakland NYG or houston.

I dont ever see him being a bigtime back though.

just because he was taken in the first or second round does not mean he deserves to start somewhere. taylor jacobs was taken in the second round, does he deserve to start ? how about duckett ?
not saying the were equivalent picks, only that the round taken does not dictate whether a player deserves to start-- performance does

[Biggie]

You sure? Im 99 percent positive cincinati used around the 26th pick i nthe 04 draft on him. Could be wrong I suppose.

Oh, Perry? I thought you were talking about Betts. Never mind.

[shally]

McNabb will be back in Green next year. I expect him to be ready week 1 and still be a good player.

mcnabb will not be himself in week one.. carson palmer wasn't.. his throwing mechanics took longer than that to come back.
mcnabb may not be fully back until november next year.. you think philly is going to try and tread water until then ? reid will get canned if he tries to slide that one by the fans..

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I'd sign him for backup money. That's what he is. He has good games sometimes when portis is out, but he hasn't shown me that he's special. Offer him a backup contract and if he takes it, great, if not, let him go somewhere else.
i agree. he is impressive at times and is a nice backup to have, but i dont see him as a full time starter in this league. i'd like to see him resign for backup money, if not, oh well.

[schmitty199]

just because he was taken in the first or second round does not mean he deserves to start somewhere. taylor jacobs was taken in the second round, does he deserve to start ? how about duckett ?
not saying the were equivalent picks, only that the round taken does not dictate whether a player deserves to start-- performance does


Didnt mean he should start saying more he should get a chance. A couple carries here and a catch or two there isnt a chance. Im saying deserves a chance somewhere he will get maybe half the carries and have a chance to prove himself. Theres not really enough on him to gauge how he performs.

But life and especially the NFL isnt always fair. Might not get the chance. He wouldnt be the 1st or last.

[shally]

i agree. he is impressive at times and is a nice backup to have, but i dont see him as a full time starter in this league. i'd like to see him resign for backup money, if not, oh well.

performance is one thing, but he has always had a history of getting hurt.
if you watch his style he sure takes a lot of big hits. and unlike emmitt he does not wear those huge shoulder pads where he takes all the hits.. betts is high risk of injury for any team that signs him and expects him to play every game as the primary ball carrier

[akhhorus]

He was a 1st rounder so of course he deserves a shot somewhere but where? If I were a general manager I wouldnt go after him without another capable back on the roster.

Maybe somewhere like oakland NYG or houston.

I dont ever see him being a bigtime back though.

NYG would be a great place for him. Team him with Jacobs. Philly, Balto and Denver would be good fits. He's a slasher type back who deserves PT imo.

[shally]

NYG would be a great place for him. Team him with Jacobs. Philly, Balto and Denver would be good fits. He's a slasher type back who deserves PT imo.

philly ? between moats, westbroke, mahe, and the nebraska broken bottle philly has too many part time backs as it is....

and shanananahana could make him into a 2000 yard back for certain...LOL

[schmitty199]

mcnabb will not be himself in week one.. carson palmer wasn't.. his throwing mechanics took longer than that to come back.
mcnabb may not be fully back until november next year.. you think philly is going to try and tread water until then ? reid will get canned if he tries to slide that one by the fans..


He may not be himself but I guarentee he will be on the field assumeing he doesnt get another injury. Give him a couple games and he'll be making big throws again. Will probably never be as good again and certainly wont be as mobile or strong in the pocket.

Philly probably wont win more then 1 more game this year. If McNabb is struggling bigtime early next year there going to need Westbrook and the defense step up bigtime to avoid getting in a hole early.

As for Reid I wouldnt be that surprised if he got fired after this season. If Philly doesnt make the playoffs next year theres no way they keep him as Head Coach.

[schmitty199]

NYG would be a great place for him. Team him with Jacobs. Philly, Balto and Denver would be good fits. He's a slasher type back who deserves PT imo.

Off the subject but does anyone think Brandon Jacobs can carry a Tiki like load? Is he a legit number 1 back or will he pull a hambone and be a bust?

[akhhorus]

Off the subject but does anyone think Brandon Jacobs can carry a Tiki like load? Is he a legit number 1 back or will he pull a hambone and be a bust?

I don't think so. He has amazing physical ability, but looks for tackles to take. You won't last long as a RB in the nfl doing that, no matter how big you are.

[shally]

He may not be himself but I guarentee he will be on the field assumeing he doesnt get another injury. Give him a couple games and he'll be making big throws again. Will probably never be as good again and certainly wont be as mobile or strong in the pocket.

Philly probably wont win more then 1 more game this year. If McNabb is struggling bigtime early next year there going to need Westbrook and the defense step up bigtime to avoid getting in a hole early.

As for Reid I wouldnt be that surprised if he got fired after this season. If Philly doesnt make the playoffs next year theres no way they keep him as Head Coach.

there is no love for reid in philly..

you think mcnabb will be back early next year ? no way.. they can trot him out there, but he wont be ready.. and at that point he will look like culpepper.. that would be a huge disservice to him and to the team..

philly will go after someone to carry the team for half a season. maybe griese ? maybe jake the snake ? but someone with experience who can be a real starter.. maybe they even take a shot at chris simms ?
mcnabb will be on the team next season, but no sure thing what his role will be early on..

[shally]

Off the subject but does anyone think Brandon Jacobs can carry a Tiki like load? Is he a legit number 1 back or will he pull a hambone and be a bust?

jacobs is terrific in the role he plays.. the giants will miss tiki something awfull next year. perry or betts would fit in well. but jacobs cannot carry the team

but a lot depends upon whether coughlin is back

[helimech24]

philly ? between moats, westbroke, mahe, and the nebraska broken bottle philly has too many part time backs as it is....

and shanananahana could make him into a 2000 yard back for certain...LOLDon't forget Bucky.

[FanFromArizona]

NYG would be a great place for him. Team him with Jacobs. Philly, Balto and Denver would be good fits. He's a slasher type back who deserves PT imo.

I am confused on the "him" reference, is this Perry or Betts you are referring to?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

performance is one thing, but he has always had a history of getting hurt.
if you watch his style he sure takes a lot of big hits. and unlike emmitt he does not wear those huge shoulder pads where he takes all the hits.. betts is high risk of injury for any team that signs him and expects him to play every game as the primary ball carrier
correct. that is another reason i dont see him as a full-time starter. plus, his pass blocking is not very good.

[shally]

Don't forget Bucky.

that's who i was referring to as "the nebraska broken bottle".. he is as brittle as the bottle rolling rock comes in..LOL

[helimech24]

I am confused on the "him" reference, is this Perry or Betts you are referring to?Both, LOL.

[shally]

correct. that is another reason i dont see him as a full-time starter. plus, his pass blocking is not very good.

his pass blocking is atrocious.. and with JC back there we need all the blitz pickups we can get from our backs... too many "ole's"

[helimech24]

that's who i was referring to as "the nebraska broken bottle".. he is as brittle as the bottle rolling rock comes in..LOLLMAO, nice. Rolling Rock tastes like piss anyways, so it really isn't a party foul for breaking them.

[shally]

LMAO, nice. Rolling Rock tastes like piss anyways, so it really isn't a party foul for breaking them.

green also... i thought that was a nice touch also...:lol1:

[akhhorus]

I am confused on the "him" reference, is this Perry or Betts you are referring to?

Perry. Betts is a slashing type Rb?

[shally]

Perry. Betts is a slashing type Rb?

remembering how perry ran against us in preseason he had great dynamic speed.. reminded me more of westbrook than betts..
betts is not that kind of quick.. and he is not that kind of fast either..

[akhhorus]

remembering how perry ran against us in preseason he had great dynamic speed.. reminded me more of westbrook than betts..
betts is not that kind of quick.. and he is not that kind of fast either..

I know, I was posing that as a question. "Is Betts a slashing type rb?" knowing that he wasn't.

[schmitty199]

there is no love for reid in philly..

you think mcnabb will be back early next year ? no way.. they can trot him out there, but he wont be ready.. and at that point he will look like culpepper.. that would be a huge disservice to him and to the team..

philly will go after someone to carry the team for half a season. maybe griese ? maybe jake the snake ? but someone with experience who can be a real starter.. maybe they even take a shot at chris simms ?
mcnabb will be on the team next season, but no sure thing what his role will be early on..


Thats a real possiblity...

We'll see I guess and I certainly wouldnt lose any sleep if McNabb struggles the whole 07 season and beyond. :)

[schmitty199]

I don't think so. He has amazing physical ability, but looks for tackles to take. You won't last long as a RB in the nfl doing that, no matter how big you are.


I just have this feeling he wont be nearly as tough a runner or effective when and if hes the full time guy.

[helimech24]

green also... i thought that was a nice touch also...:lol1:Can't say I have ever had green piss, but maybe I will this St. Patty's day, lol.

[FanFromArizona]

Perry. Betts is a slashing type Rb?

In that instance,yes, I understood you meant Perry, I was talking in general. "him" is just killing me. :banghead:
For the sake of my sanity, please use the name instead of "him" in your posts, thanks. :)

[shally]

Thats a real possiblity...

We'll see I guess and I certainly wouldnt lose any sleep if McNabb struggles the whole 07 season and beyond. :)

if he struggles in 2007 he won't be back.. end of story..

the iggles were talking about giving feely a real shot... i guess that is not so as garcia was playing tonight..

they will go with an experienced pro next season... unless reid is fired in the off season and the new guy wants to build from scratch

i also expect them to draft a qb high this draft.. they have to..unless they go after someone like schaub or simms for the long term...

[skins74]

I say let Ladell walk. He doesn't impress me, he is an adequate backup at best.



Agreed.

[redwolf1218]

i've never really been on the Betts bandwagon. he's not really all that big, not real fast, not real durable, not a good blocker in pass protection...i have never been able to figure out why he was picked in the 2nd round.

he has caught a lot of balls, but i never viewed him as a 3rd down back in the pass-catcher or blocking mode. he didnt catch very many balls in college. i think he had like 12 catches as a senior, i was wondering why they picked him. i think he was mis-cast in that 3rd down role. Portis is the best 3rd down back i can think of, both in pass plays and in blocking. i wonder if Portis was just not in good shape that he cant play 3 downs. i dont understand taking yourself out of the game all the time, and sucking oxygen, unless you are out of shape.

[shally]

i've never really been on the Betts bandwagon. he's not really all that big, not real fast, not real durable, not a good blocker in pass protection...i have never been able to figure out why he was picked in the 2nd round.

he has caught a lot of balls, but i never viewed him as a 3rd down back in the pass-catcher or blocking mode. he didnt catch very many balls in college. i think he had like 12 catches as a senior, i was wondering why they picked him. i think he was mis-cast in that 3rd down role. Portis is the best 3rd down back i can think of, both in pass plays and in blocking. i wonder if Portis was just not in good shape that he cant play 3 downs. i dont understand taking yourself out of the game all the time, and sucking oxygen, unless you are out of shape.

betts has better, or more consistent at least, hands.. portis drops passes more than betts.. plus, he takes a pounding and needs a blow..

[redwolf1218]

betts has better, or more consistent at least, hands.. portis drops passes more than betts.. plus, he takes a pounding and needs a blow..
Portis cant stay in there for the whole game, for whatever reason.

[shally]

Portis cant stay in there for the whole game, for whatever reason.

no one can.. tiki goes out..they all do... you cannot survive with just one decent back.. the pounding is too great..

[FanFromArizona]

no one can.. tiki goes out..they all do... you cannot survive with just one decent back.. the pounding is too great..

that is the direction of the NFL. It will no longer be possible to survive with just 1 RB anymore. It has already happened with several teams, New England and Jax leap into my mind. To a lesser extent it just began to play itself out in Chicago and New Orleans and may occur next year in Miami if Mr. Reefer can get reinstated to the NFL. And yes, I am aware of teams with RB by committee, I just don't equate them on the same level as 2 RB systems(Indy, Jets, Raiders, and even Philly)

2 RB systems are the direction you will see teams take. It only makes sense.
Big Dlineman will punish single RB systems.

[shally]

that is the direction of the NFL. It will no longer be possible to survive with just 1 RB anymore. It has already happened with several teams, New England and Jax leap into my mind. To a lesser extent it just began to play itself out in Chicago and New Orleans and may occur next year in Miami if Mr. Reefer can get reinstated to the NFL. And yes, I am aware of teams with RB by committee, I just don't equate them on the same level as 2 RB systems(Indy, Jets, Raiders, and even Philly)

2 RB systems are the direction you will see teams take. It only makes sense.
Big Dlineman will punish single RB systems.

add dallas to that list.. they are far better with both barber and jones playing

[helimech24]

add dallas to that list.. they are far better with both barber and jones playingAnd Jones is able to stay healthy throughout the season. That is what made the TJ pick up so wierd.

[shally]

And Jones is able to stay healthy throughout the season. That is what made the TJ pick up so wierd.

only if betts does not sign.. if he goes i would not be surprised if TJ stays...

[redwolf1218]

only if betts does not sign.. if he goes i would not be surprised if TJ stays...
i will go on record. he will leave. they always leave. name me a player who swore he would stay and did not leave.

[shally]

i will go on record. he will leave. they always leave. name me a player who swore he would stay and did not leave.

you are right about that.. same old song.. different verse.. but it always seems to end up the same..

this time though i kind of have a feeling it might have already gotten done, so it might actually happen.. set a good precedent for dockery and cooley perhaps...

[helimech24]

only if betts does not sign.. if he goes i would not be surprised if TJ stays...
What I mean is that they didn't use him as a change of pace back considering TJ could really punish the defense, and then bring in the quick guy. Betts and Portis are to much alike, with Betts having a lot less talent.

[helimech24]

you are right about that.. same old song.. different verse.. but it always seems to end up the same..

this time though i kind of have a feeling it might have already gotten done, so it might actually happen.. set a good precedent for dockery and cooley perhaps...Cooley will stay. I am worried about Dockery, with the way teams have been paying for starting linemen now.

[shally]

What I mean is that they didn't use him as a change of pace back considering TJ could really punish the defense, and then bring in the quick guy. Betts and Portis are to much alike, with Betts having a lot less talent.

i think you are right.. betts brings much of the same to the table.. plus, unless they are planning to use sellers as the short yardage back, neither betts nor portis is well suited for it..

[skins111111]

the trend is running 2 backs....you have the thunder and lightening combos and even the pure feture RBs have reliable backups getting 8-10 touches every game, so do we keep Betts or the Duck.......we still have 4 games before they have to make that decision and a lot can happen in a month

[redwolf1218]

you are right about that.. same old song.. different verse.. but it always seems to end up the same..

this time though i kind of have a feeling it might have already gotten done, so it might actually happen.. set a good precedent for dockery and cooley perhaps...
i would love it if they could find a way to keep Dockery and Cooley, and Duckett too. let's face it, we have burgundy glasses, all you have to do is watch some other teams and you will see these guys are not all that great. we think they are great because we focus on them, but this is not really a great team, not even a good team.

[shally]

Cooley will stay. I am worried about Dockery, with the way teams have been paying for starting linemen now.

if we lose him then we go after steinbach or manuwai.. there will be guys out there

[shally]

i would love it if they could find a way to keep Dockery and Cooley, and Duckett too. let's face it, we have burgundy glasses, all you have to do is watch some other teams and you will see these guys are not all that great. we think they are great because we focus on them, but this is not really a great team, not even a good team.

those are all offensive guys you are naming.. the defense needs new blood because the talent is no longer there

[redwolf1218]

those are all offensive guys you are naming.. the defense needs new blood because the talent is no longer there
but this thread is about Ladell, and his status next season. agreed the defense needs new blood though.

[shally]

but this thread is about Ladell, and his status next season. agreed the defense needs new blood though.

you are correct. sorry... but i was just making the point about resigning our guys who might look better to us than to other teams...
betts will get money this offseason.. the only question is how much, and by whom..

[helimech24]

if we lose him then we go after steinbach or manuwai.. there will be guys out thereYeah, but I wonder how bad that will be for the chemestry of the line. I know as a unit, they have regressed this year, but it could be worse with a new guy on the line that isn't really an upgrade.

[redwolf1218]

you are correct. sorry... but i was just making the point about resigning our guys who might look better to us than to other teams...
betts will get money this offseason.. the only question is how much, and by whom..
i dont know, i think we might have a case of burgundy goggles here. Betts is an average back, maybe below average. how many good games has he had?

[santanadasavior]

i dont know, i think we might have a case of burgundy goggles here. Betts is an average back, maybe below average. how many good games has he had?

He's had 3 100 yard games been the primary back in only 3. He is a hard runner and he could be good in a place like NYG where he and Brandon Jacobs could split time. He is also a good reciever so he would fit into their screen pass offense.

[shally]

He's had 3 100 yard games been the primary back in only 3. He is a hard runner and he could be good in a place like NYG where he and Brandon Jacobs could split time. He is also a good reciever so he would fit into their screen pass offense.

yes.. but he fumbles.. he gets hurt... and he has not shown he can lead a team's running attack for a year.
no, he has not been given that chance, but i wonder how many teams are going to want to roll the dice on him..
i still see him as a complimentary player.. best case scenario, like a kevin faulk who is very valuable in a reserve roll. but would you want him as your primary back ? the pats didn't...

[santanadasavior]

yes.. but he fumbles.. he gets hurt... and he has not shown he can lead a team's running attack for a year.
no, he has not been given that chance, but i wonder how many teams are going to want to roll the dice on him..
i still see him as a complimentary player.. best case scenario, like a kevin faulk who is very valuable in a reserve roll. but would you want him as your primary back ? the pats didn't...

He would be the best backup in the league or he would fit into a complimentary role just like you said.

[shally]

He would be the best backup in the league or he would fit into a complimentary role just like you said.

again,i am not saying i wouldn't like having him...only that a team would be foolish to pay him starters money and expect him to start and be productive 16 games..

[santanadasavior]

again,i am not saying i wouldn't like having him...only that a team would be foolish to pay him starters money and expect him to start and be productive 16 games..

Well with a healthy Portis I doubt that will happen. I don't think they expect him to start any games next year. Just to be a great backup and fill in if Portis gets hurt again.

[70chip-on-1]

again,i am not saying i wouldn't like having him...only that a team would be foolish to pay him starters money and expect him to start and be productive 16 games..

Exactly... Betts cannot last 16 games. He usually doesn't make it through training camp without missing time! Even if he didn't have a catastrophic injury, he's the type of back that would just wear down after carrying the full load for 8 straight weeks. I sure hope we wait to see what #46 does with the remaining 4 games before doing ANYTHING. I just know he's a snap away from breaking something. I would rather see the FO working to lockup Doc, but his agent is probably flipping Vinny the bird, waiting for the market's opening bell.

[bgforever]

Exactly... Betts cannot last 16 games. He usually doesn't make it through training camp without missing time! Even if he didn't have a catastrophic injury, he's the type of back that would just wear down after carrying the full load for 8 straight weeks. I sure hope we wait to see what #46 does with the remaining 4 games before doing ANYTHING. I just know he's a snap away from breaking something. I would rather see the FO working to lockup Doc, but his agent is probably flipping Vinny the bird, waiting for the market's opening bell.

True, (on Betts) but I think some teams are willing to take the chance on him, especially if they are hurting in so many areas by season's end. They may want more defense in the draft, but want to get some relief at RB as well. Yeah, Betts may wind up still being smoked enough in the competition for the starting position, but if a team makes an offer that's bigger and shows him no less than platooning less, and getting the bulk of the carries, it is likely to sway him away. I also DON'T believe we will resign him for anything ABOVE or even at an average "starting" back period. This may be the reason he'll bolt.

I agree on the Doc scenario. Remember how long it took to acknowledge we had a deal with him the last time? Agents live for the improvement factor and milk the living soul out of it!

[shally]

True, (on Betts) but I think some teams are willing to take the chance on him, especially if they are hurting in so many areas by season's end. They may want more defense in the draft, but want to get some relief at RB as well. Yeah, Betts may wind up still being smoked enough in the competition for the starting position, but if a team makes an offer that's bigger and shows him no less than platooning less, and getting the bulk of the carries, it is likely to sway him away. I also DON'T believe we will resign him for anything ABOVE or even at an average "starting" back period. This may be the reason he'll bolt.

I agree on the Doc scenario. Remember how long it took to acknowledge we had a deal with him the last time? Agents live for the improvement factor and milk the living soul out of it!

there will be far more decent backs available in free agency or the draft than there will be starting guards.. dock is the guy who will be harder to sign.. we already have 3 players making "tackle" money onthe o line (thomas, samuels,jansen).. there is simply no way we pay a 4th.. unless jansen re does his, i cannot see paying dock the kind of money he is likely to be asking. he is far from dominating,although he does look very solid most of the time.. my guess is that we lose dock and have to scramble to fill his spot.
would not it have been nice to have ndukwe to play it ? but no, we had to sign wade and walters... sometimes i just do not know what the front office is doing

[bgforever]

there will be far more decent backs available in free agency or the draft than there will be starting guards.. dock is the guy who will be harder to sign.. we already have 3 players making "tackle" money onthe o line (thomas, samuels,jansen).. there is simply no way we pay a 4th.. unless jansen re does his, i cannot see paying dock the kind of money he is likely to be asking. he is far from dominating,although he does look very solid most of the time.. my guess is that we lose dock and have to scramble to fill his spot.
would not it have been nice to have ndukwe to play it ? but no, we had to sign wade and walters... sometimes i just do not know what the front office is doing

Yeah, true and what got me to thinking more about Betts scenario is JG goes out and says immediately Betts is a "priority" signing. For now I take it, he has to do that to make it clear from a coaching standpoint and say so in the FO, he's aware of his options completely. I think he sees it just that way. I keep saying Betts is a leaner to, FA, but because of his tenure and at least knowing the coaches, etc., it is a benefit to both to keep him. However, if he's trying too hard to get a far bigger payday, he's gone.

Oh and Doc may work a contract that has options in it to keep him happy and escalate modestly with a bonus that doesn't have the impact of Samuels, Thomas, Jansen or Rabach.

[redwolf1218]

honestly i dont care if Betts leaves next season. i think he will leave and be someone else's backup.

[shally]

honestly i dont care if Betts leaves next season. i think he will leave and be someone else's backup.

if he does that, then he is a fool...for backup money he might as well stay here..

[santanadasavior]

if he does that, then he is a fool...for backup money he might as well stay here..

They're working on resigning him now, I think it would be better to get him on now and say that he could be our guy if Portis struggles. I want to keep this guy because he is a great backup.

[shally]

They're working on resigning him now, I think it would be better to get him on now and say that he could be our guy if Portis struggles. I want to keep this guy because he is a great backup.

there does seem to be a sense of urgency with betts.. so maybe it will happen...or it could fall apart like with clark or smoot or pierce.. you just never know

[hogs86]

They're working on resigning him now, I think it would be better to get him on now and say that he could be our guy if Portis struggles. I want to keep this guy because he is a great backup.


I think Gibbs wants Betts.I say it will get done real soon.Maybe in the next 2-3 weeks.:)

[shally]

I think Gibbs wants Betts.I say it will get done real soon.Maybe in the next 2-3 weeks.:)

for all his talk about how much gibbs loves portis, betts is more a gibbs player.. he works hard. he took the acquisition of TJ as a personal challenge (after about a day or so of sulking, maybe) and clearly showed he was a better back than TJ.
maybe he is not the complete player and threat that CP is, but that 160 yard effort this past weekend had to warm gibbs' heart and i think gibbs is going to spearhead the push to try and keep betts. i still would prefer to have a healthy portis-- by a wide margin-- because betts does not have close to CP's overall gifts. but clearly betts was not the reason we lost to atlanta

another thing to remember.. portis just had his shoulder surgery. by every estimate it is a 6 month recovery. so we are talking about him working on recovery and rehab until june or july, which means that maybe portis does not work on off season conditioning as much as rehabbing his shoulder ??
do not know if this will be the case, but the suggestion has been floated
by the folks at scouts.com (snider/tandler) that maybe CP could work harder inthe off season... i do not know if this is true, but one way or the other, CP better have one heck of an off season getting in top shape.

and the signing of betts would both send a message and be a far better insurance policy than spending another high 3rd round pick for a player who was essentially unused...

if it happens, the signing will happen quickly, i believe....