Betts close to signing contract extension....

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

According to the WP:

Running back Ladell Betts is close to agreeing to a contract extension with the Redskins, according to numerous NFL sources, and the Redskins are working hard to prevent the veteran from hitting the free agent market. Betts, a second-round pick in 2002, is having a career season filling in for injured tailback Clinton Portis and has an expanded role in Al Saunders's offense.

The Redskins began negotiations with Betts in the preseason, when he changed agents, and there have been a few times this season when a deal seemed imminent, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, but the sides have yet to sign anything. The pace of talks has picked up in recent weeks, however, and some sources have estimated that Betts could earn in the region of $6 million to $7 million guaranteed on a multiyear deal.

Gibbs said keeping Betts in Washington is a priority. Betts has an outside shot at producing a 1,000-yard season and has back-to-back 100-yard games.

Also at the bottom:

The Redskins signed defensive end Jamaal Green to the practice squad. He has played in eight games in his career, with one sack.

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/06/AR2006120601970.html)

Thoughts? If this does go down soon, what do you think hR? Good idea.....Bad idea? I'm sure most won't or can't answer until contract numbers are available, but for now, what do you think? Discuss.

[Green-Is-Good]

I hope so, he is a dependable backup and 3rd down back

[Death_Venom]

I think Betts has done a damn fine job in Portis's absence.

[bgforever]

keeping Betts, you betcha! Good thread too! All depends on him, ball in his court.

[WarEagle]

My bet is on Betts! :) He's stepped right up to the table.

[shally]

a good idea in itself because it gives the skins a decent option if portis' recovery is slow and for third downs..
but what is does mean is that the skins totally wasted a pick on duckett..
a third rounder.
another bone headed move by the front office..

[PyroGenic]

I know this is kind of off-topic but it makes me wonder if CP is really worth all the $$ we threw at him. Betts is racking up the yards and costs WAY less than CP. I dunno. Still love CP though.

[MPCSkins]

Great backup. And CP is a much better back, Betts had a good two weeks, but it's nothing Clinton couldn't have done with more. He's a solid backup to CP and they really complement eachother pretty well.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

a good idea in itself because it gives the skins a decent option if portis' recovery is slow and for third downs..
but what is does mean is that the skins totally wasted a pick on duckett..
a third rounder.
another bone headed move by the front office..
That is exactly what I was going to say.
And by the way, I'd like to see the numbers on Betts's contract before expressing a definitive opinion.

[shally]

That is exactly what I was going to say.
And by the way, I'd like to see the numbers on Betts's contract before expressing a definitive opinion.

agree.. probably in the range of 5-7 mil guaranteed over the life of it..

we will see

[whistleandthumb]

He knows the offense, is a good compliment to Portis, runs hard, and catches well. Why let him go? Surely, he's not going to cost us THAT much to re-sign.

[danny's stogie]

I'm happy. Good pass-catcher to compliment Portis.

[shally]

I'm happy. Good pass-catcher to compliment Portis.

not as happy as AS.... i think that is who his biggest backer is in the organization
makes me think that AS is more secure in returning next year

[Skins Guy]

i sure hope we do, he's such a dependable back-up

[shally]

i sure hope we do, he's such a dependable back-up

let's hope he doesn't blow a tire in the last 4 games... given his injury history, it makes a whole lot of sense for him to sign now with the heavy duty load he will carry for the next 4 games.. a serious injury or even something that knocks him out of a couple of games will cost him millions over the life of a contract...

that is exactly it.. he has not been that dependable over the entirety of his career. a lot of nagging injuries that cost him time. none major, but enough so that a team would have to have some thought about giving him a starter level contract..

[Skinz4lyfe]

a good idea in itself because it gives the skins a decent option if portis' recovery is slow and for third downs..
but what is does mean is that the skins totally wasted a pick on duckett..
a third rounder.
another bone headed move by the front office..

You couldn't be closer to the truth. I didn't like the trade then and I hate it even more now that we're 4-8. That might end up being a high 3rd round pick. We need that pick for depth at CB, OL, or DL. Total panic move.

Betts is a good backup and can play special teams if needed. But another thing re-signing Betts does is send a message to our existing players that we will re-sign them if they perform. We haven't done that in recent years letting some good talents and "possible core Redskins" go in the process (Pierce, Clark, Smoot). Lock him up now!

[smoak]

With our luck, I gaurantee Betts goes down with a season ending injury the day he signs.

[Patrick]

Going a little bit against the grain here - Betts (age 27) is a solid backup to Portis (age 25) but I do feel we need a better complement to Portis. I thought Duckett (age 25) would be perfect BUT our coaching staff has this reluctance to adjust the system when TJ comes in WHICH (IMO) says a lot about the flexibility (or lack of) in the running game under the Saunders system.

[akhhorus]

6-7 million guaranteed is way too much.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

6-7 million guaranteed is way too much.
I agree. Once again, there is no position in the NFL easier and cheaper to fill than reserve running back. There are loads of RBs that every year fill in for somebody and have a good year, while making close to nothing.

[Spence]

It's a great idea. Nice to see the Redskins actually trying to retain their own talent, especially when that player is entering the prime of his career. This doesn't seem like a Dan Snyder move at all. I wonder if he's been kidnapped and stuffed into a basement with a sock shoved in his mouth. [Yeah, it was my idea, but I didn't actually do it.]

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It's a great idea. Nice to see the Redskins actually trying to retain their own talent, especially when that player is entering the prime of his career. This doesn't seem like a Dan Snyder move at all. I wonder if he's been kidnapped and stuffed into a basement with a sock shoved in his mouth. [Yeah, it was my idea, but I didn't actually do it.]
That might actually have happened...at least that's how CNY took care of the Lumsden situation...lol...

[smoot]

That might actually have happened...at least that's how CNY took care of the Lumsden situation...lol...
i'm thinking spence has been watching the casino royale torture scene a few too many times.


ow, i hurt all over again

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i'm thinking spence has been watching the casino royale torture scene a few too many times.


ow, i hurt all over again
I actually haven't seen it yet..I'm gonna go "buy" it this week I think.

[CNYSkinFan]

That might actually have happened...at least that's how CNY took care of the Lumsden situation...lol...
The Grand Jury copuldn't prove anything :)

I am fine with the resign. I like the trio of Rock, Betts, and Portis. Duckett was a luxury trade and a panic move. We can get 2 or 3 more years out of that trio and then have to start drafting (yes i said drafting) young guys to replace all of them

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The Grand Jury copuldn't prove anything :)

I am fine with the resign. I like the trio of Rock, Betts, and Portis. Duckett was a luxury trade and a panic move. We can get 2 or 3 more years out of that trio and then have to start drafting (yes i said drafting) young guys to replace all of them
:imshock:

[joethefan]

a good idea in itself because it gives the skins a decent option if portis' recovery is slow and for third downs..
but what is does mean is that the skins totally wasted a pick on duckett..
a third rounder.
another bone headed move by the front office..

IMO it wasn't a wasted pick...what if portis's injury would have lasted for maybe 10 weeks or longer...at that time, Gibbs and the FO wasn't too happy with betts nor rock as the starter without out a quality backup...., if they were the wouldn't have gone after TJ..IMO.
That trade only didnt' work out because portis came back sooner than later...Still don't understand why TJ ain't getting more run though now

[smoot]

I actually haven't seen it yet..I'm gonna go "buy" it this week I think.

if you want i can pm you the details

[dj_stouty]

Only if the money is right...

The last thing we need is an expensive backup RB. We already have enough funds committed to the starters...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

if you want i can pm you the details
No it's all right..I'm planning on seeing it.

IMO it wasn't a wasted pick...what if portis's injury would have lasted for maybe 10 weeks or longer...at that time, Gibbs and the FO wasn't too happy with betts nor rock as the starter without out a quality backup...., if they were the wouldn't have gone after TJ..IMO.
That trade only didnt' work out because portis came back sooner than later...Still don't understand why TJ ain't getting more run though now
I'm sorry but that makes no sense. Portis, Betts, and Rock have been our RB rotation ever since Gibbs came back (not considering Sellers, who can carry the ball sometimes too). If it was ok last year why was it not this year? And you know what? Portis IS injured. So why isn't Duckett getting any carries? And thirdly, you can't go out using 3rd round picks "in case somebody gets injured" or "in case an injury lasts longer then expected"..you'd have to do that with every positon. Why wasn't it done at corner back for example? It was an absolute panic move, and one of the dumbest operations I can remember a team doing in the last few years.

[joethefan]

Only if the money is right...

The last thing we need is an expensive backup RB. We already have enough funds committed to the starters...

but people are saying that 6-7mil in guarenteed money... But we don't know how many years is it for either. If its for 5 years, then I would say do it. What is the normal backup getting in the league now?

[redwolf1218]

but people are saying that 6-7mil in guarenteed money... But we don't know how many years is it for either. If its for 5 years, then I would say do it. What is the normal backup getting in the league now?
i might be wrong, but it seems to me that one of the problems with aquiring a lot of high priced free agents, is your existing guys want similar deals. Pierce wants Marcus numbers, Smoot wants Springs numbers, etc.

i dont know where Betts and his agent have started, but if they want Portis numbers, i dont think that will happen, nor should it.

money should be spent in the trenches at this point, more so than the skill players. with a great line, i think just about any running back could be successful. look at the guys who ran the ball for Gibbs back in the first go-round, guys like Ricky Ervins, Timmy Smith, etc...the o-line was so dominant back then, it didnt seem to matter who they plugged in. Denver is like that too. this o-line has shown flashes of that with Betts getting career numbers last week, but we need depth and youth on both lines.

[dj_stouty]

but people are saying that 6-7mil in guarenteed money... But we don't know how many years is it for either. If its for 5 years, then I would say do it. What is the normal backup getting in the league now?

Thanks. I must have missed that from the article.

Its hard to gauge how much backups get on their 2nd contract. I just skimmed the backup RB list of the NFL teams and almost all of them use rookies or Rbs on their rookie contract as their backup.

Anyone know of someone who was recently resigned to be a backup and how much he was worth?

[redwolf1218]

Thanks. I must have missed that from the article.

Its hard to gauge how much backups get on their 2nd contract. I just skimmed the backup RB list of the NFL teams and almost all of them use rookies or Rbs on their rookie contract as their backup.

Anyone know of someone who was recently resigned to be a backup and how much he was worth?
his agent might want starter money, even it means testing the market elsewhere. i think Betts is now more like a tweener, between starter and backup, a starter who splits time in a running-back-by-commitee type situation.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Thanks. I must have missed that from the article.

Its hard to gauge how much backups get on their 2nd contract. I just skimmed the backup RB list of the NFL teams and almost all of them use rookies or Rbs on their rookie contract as their backup.

Anyone know of someone who was recently resigned to be a backup and how much he was worth?
There is a very good reason for that. Don't get me wrong, I realyl like Betts as a backup, but I have a hard time believing he will be satisfied with a backup-RB contract. This is even more important on a team like ours, which has an all-pro starting RB (and one of the highest paid in the NFL).

[CNYSkinFan]

IMO it wasn't a wasted pick...what if portis's injury would have lasted for maybe 10 weeks or longer...at that time, Gibbs and the FO wasn't too happy with betts nor rock as the starter without out a quality backup...., if they were the wouldn't have gone after TJ..IMO.
That trade only didnt' work out because portis came back sooner than later...Still don't understand why TJ ain't getting more run though now
That is the very definition of a wasted pick. Fact is Portis' injury did not last ten weeks and even when he was out the first two weeks TJ saw limited action. And now that Portis is out for the rest of the season TJ is getting limited run. He is what I thought he was back in training camp, a one year rental and a panic move.

a 3rd rounder is too high a price to pay for that typoe of player, and considering we have little other draft picks the cost of that move will hurt us.

[dj_stouty]

There is a very good reason for that. Don't get me wrong, I realyl like Betts as a backup, but I have a hard time believing he will be satisfied with a backup-RB contract. This is even more important on a team like ours, which has an all-pro starting RB (and one of the highest paid in the NFL).

That is why I can't vote on this poll yet. I need to know the exact numbers before I can determine if Betts is worth the coin.

And you are probably right; Betts probably wants decent money...and it doesn't help the Redskins that he has back-2-back 100-yard games on his current resume.

[redwolf1218]

That is the very definition of a wasted pick. Fact is Portis' injury did not last ten weeks and even when he was out the first two weeks TJ saw limited action. And now that Portis is out for the rest of the season TJ is getting limited run. He is what I thought he was back in training camp, a one year rental and a panic move.

a 3rd rounder is too high a price to pay for that typoe of player, and considering we have little other draft picks the cost of that move will hurt us.
i wonder if Betts got hurt, who would Gibbs play more, Duckett or Rock?

[redskin_rich]

Anyone know of someone who was recently resigned to be a backup and how much he was worth?
Off hand, all I can think of are guys like Antowain Smith and Travis Henry (who is starting now) but I don't know what kind of contracts they signed.

[akhhorus]

Thanks. I must have missed that from the article.

Its hard to gauge how much backups get on their 2nd contract. I just skimmed the backup RB list of the NFL teams and almost all of them use rookies or Rbs on their rookie contract as their backup.

Anyone know of someone who was recently resigned to be a backup and how much he was worth?

Buckhalter in Philly signed a 2 years, 1.35 million deal. Michael Bennett signed on as a backup in KC behind LJ for 2 years, 3 million. Mike Anderson signed as a backup in Balto for 4 years, 8 million.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Buckhalter in Philly signed a 2 years, 1.35 million deal. Michael Bennett signed on as a backup in KC behind LJ for 2 years, 3 million. Mike Anderson signed as a backup in Balto for 4 years, 8 million.
That's the kind of numbers a backup RB should be making. Will Betts take that? I dont' know. And by the way, Anderson has proved MUCH more than Betts so far.

[SkinsGuru]

I said NO . . . not because of his running ability, but because he couldn't block me if I were to blitz . . . he is HORRIBLE at picking up the blitz . . . Campbell really misses Portis' ability to do that!!

[Keino]

6-7 million guaranteed is way too much.

Agreed!!!!

[akhhorus]

That's the kind of numbers a backup RB should be making. Will Betts take that? I dont' know. And by the way, Anderson has proved MUCH more than Betts so far.

6-7 guaranteed better be 2-4 million signing bonus and the rest in roster bonuses over 5-6 years or we're getting hornswaggled.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

6-7 guaranteed better be 2-4 million signing bonus and the rest in roster bonuses over 5-6 years or we're getting hornswaggled.
I agree with you 100%..let's hope Gibbs & Danny do too...

[Spence]

The deal is probably mostly guaranteed money. That makes it easier on the cap and satisfies the player's desire for a nice payday immediately. We could be talking about a $7 million signing bonus and then five years of minimum salaries.

[akhhorus]

The deal is probably mostly guaranteed money. That makes it easier on the cap and satisfies the player's desire for a nice payday immediately. We could be talking about a $7 million signing bonus and then five years of minimum salaries.

5 years-10.5 million? Still on the high end of the scale, but more tolerable.

[Spence]

Even when his starting tailback is healthy, Gibbs uses his backup tailback more than most coaches. For example, in 1981, John Riggins carried the ball 195 times and Joe Washington carried the ball 210 times. In 1983, the next full NFL season, Riggins had 375 carries and Washington had 145 carries. In the early 1990s, Gibbs split carries between Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs and Ricky Ervin. When it comes to running backs, Gibbs is the opposite of someone like Norv Turner, who believes in just running one guy over and over. I know Bill Parcells now believes in platooning his running backs.

It could also be that Gibbs, rightly or wrongly, believes Portis will last longer if he gets more rest during games. It could be that if the Redskins rush 35 times in a game, Gibbs would like Portis to get 20-23 of those rushes and the rest for Betts. We won't really know until Gibbs says something about it or until next season, when both of them are healthy and playing together again.

[Skins7ny]

that is exactly it.. he has not been that dependable over the entirety of his career. a lot of nagging injuries that cost him time. none major, but enough so that a team would have to have some thought about giving him a starter level contract..

I would be scared to have Betts be counted on as my starter for 16 games. I have no confidence that he could do that on a consistent level. He has not shown that he can stay healthy through 16 games even as a backup. I like him as a backup, but I would prefer CP's backup be a pile-driver type who can convert 3rd and 1s.
Denver is like that too. this o-line has shown flashes of that with Betts getting career numbers last week, but we need depth and youth on both lines.

Only if the money is right...

The last thing we need is an expensive backup RB. We already have enough funds committed to the starters...

Betts is a solid back, but there is nothing special about him. He has no magic about him. I don't think Betts is worth $5-7M guranteed. And I think with that type of a contract, we are tying up too much money in the RB position (assuming CP is still here next year).

You couldn't be closer to the truth. I didn't like the trade then and I hate it even more now that we're 4-8. That might end up being a high 3rd round pick. We need that pick for depth at CB, OL, or DL. Total panic move.

It was going to be the equivalent of a high 3rd-rounder even if we went 12-4. That is how the trade was structured.

[akhhorus]

Even when his starting tailback is healthy, Gibbs uses his backup tailback more than most coaches. For example, in 1981, John Riggins carried the ball 195 times and Joe Washington carried the ball 210 times. In 1983, the next full NFL season, Riggins had 375 carries and Washington had 145 carries. In the early 1990s, Gibbs split carries between Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs and Ricky Ervin. When it comes to running backs, Gibbs is the opposite of someone like Norv Turner, who believes in just running one guy over and over. I know Bill Parcells now believes in platooning his running backs.

It could also be that Gibbs, rightly or wrongly, believes Portis will last longer if he gets more rest during games. It could be that if the Redskins rush 35 times in a game, Gibbs would like Portis to get 20-23 of those rushes and the rest for Betts. We won't really know until Gibbs says something about it or until next season, when both of them are healthy and playing together again.

Thats why I think they went out and made the deal for Duckett anyways. He's more a change of pace to Portis than Betts is, they just didn't expect him to fail to pick up the offense/pass blocking/harlem globetrotters/the groceries.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Even when his starting tailback is healthy, Gibbs uses his backup tailback more than most coaches. For example, in 1981, John Riggins carried the ball 195 times and Joe Washington carried the ball 210 times. In 1983, the next full NFL season, Riggins had 375 carries and Washington had 145 carries. In the early 1990s, Gibbs split carries between Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs and Ricky Ervin. When it comes to running backs, Gibbs is the opposite of someone like Norv Turner, who believes in just running one guy over and over. I know Bill Parcells now believes in platooning his running backs.

It could also be that Gibbs, rightly or wrongly, believes Portis will last longer if he gets more rest during games. It could be that if the Redskins rush 35 times in a game, Gibbs would like Portis to get 20-23 of those rushes and the rest for Betts. We won't really know until Gibbs says something about it or until next season, when both of them are healthy and playing together again.
I think this has a lot to do with it. I also think this is a good idea. As much as we would all love to see CP carry the ball 30 times, because that probably means we are winning, it makes no sense to force CP who has a good amount of mileage on the tires already even at a young age to carry the ball that many times. It seems that Betts fits in with what they want to do here including catching passes on third down. Clearly AS likes him. I say from a personnel standpoint it makes a lot of sense.

I can't comment on the contract until I see how the numbers shake out. But based on our track record I'm not expecting to get a steal on this deal.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Thats why I think they went out and made the deal for Duckett anyways. He's more a change of pace to Portis than Betts is, they just didn't expect him to fail to pick up the offense/pass blocking/harlem globetrotters/the groceries.
I think TJ is too tentative for their tastes. Also, I think they are starting to learn that if they need 3rd and 1 they can trust Sellers with the ball. At least I hope they're picking up on that.

[frankez99]

What a novel idea! The Redskins giving a contract extension to a known Redskin commodity instead of letting him walk so we can overpay for a FA who will underperform in the B & G.:rolleyes:

Don't balk at the numbers...his contract is going to be so front-loaded with a signing bonus it'll look like he is making the veteran minimum.

If the Skins' are going to throw money around....throw it around to our own who have actually performed FOR US, not anther team. Aside from Moss, none of our recent splash signings have lived up to the hype (yes, even Portis....he is good, don't get me wrong...but his style had to change here and it has taken its toll on him....and Marcus Washington's performance has slumped dramatically; let's hope he is just in a funk).

Re-sign Betts. Enough said.

This shouldn't even be a debate.:banghead:

[dj_stouty]

If I were Betts...I'd hold out and test the FA market. A ton of teams need running backs and there are no Edges available like last year.

Does Betts mind being a permanent backup behind a 55 million dollar Pro Bowl RB? I figured he would want to get a starter somewhere else..

[Spence]

Thats why I think they went out and made the deal for Duckett anyways. He's more a change of pace to Portis than Betts is, they just didn't expect him to fail to pick up the offense/pass blocking/harlem globetrotters/the groceries.Well, it could be that I'm entirely alone in this, but I haven't been too impressed by Duckett this season. His blocking aside, he just doesn't run the way a big back should run. Stephen Davis is a good example of how a big back should run: Hit that hole as quickly as possible and don't worry about contact. The whole point of being 230 pounds is so that you can drag that linebacker for a yard and then fall forward for another yard. Heck, John Riggins got half his yards that way.

[akhhorus]

Well, it could be that I'm entirely alone in this, but I haven't been too impressed by Duckett this season. His blocking aside, he just doesn't run the way a big back should run. Stephen Davis is a good example of how a big back should run: Hit that hole as quickly as possible and don't worry about contact. The whole point of being 230 pounds is so that you can drag that linebacker for a yard and then fall forward for another yard. Heck, John Riggins got half his yards that way.

I think he's a FB, not a feature back. He should bulk up to 265 and be Lorenzo Neal. He would play for 10 more years if he did that.

[DCassain21]

stepped up to the plate with porrtis went down a deserves to be re-signed i hope it's a least a 4 year deal

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Well, it could be that I'm entirely alone in this, but I haven't been too impressed by Duckett this season. His blocking aside, he just doesn't run the way a big back should run. Stephen Davis is a good example of how a big back should run: Hit that hole as quickly as possible and don't worry about contact. The whole point of being 230 pounds is so that you can drag that linebacker for a yard and then fall forward for another yard. Heck, John Riggins got half his yards that way.
You are not alone in your thinking. I think he runs like Ron Dayne. Tippy-toe through the tulips as my old coach would say.

[shally]

Even when his starting tailback is healthy, Gibbs uses his backup tailback more than most coaches. For example, in 1981, John Riggins carried the ball 195 times and Joe Washington carried the ball 210 times. In 1983, the next full NFL season, Riggins had 375 carries and Washington had 145 carries. In the early 1990s, Gibbs split carries between Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs and Ricky Ervin. When it comes to running backs, Gibbs is the opposite of someone like Norv Turner, who believes in just running one guy over and over. I know Bill Parcells now believes in platooning his running backs.

It could also be that Gibbs, rightly or wrongly, believes Portis will last longer if he gets more rest during games. It could be that if the Redskins rush 35 times in a game, Gibbs would like Portis to get 20-23 of those rushes and the rest for Betts. We won't really know until Gibbs says something about it or until next season, when both of them are healthy and playing together again.


times have changed.. you simply cannot count on a single tailback being effective all year.. too much pounding

[shally]

I think he's a FB, not a feature back. He should bulk up to 265 and be Lorenzo Neal. He would play for 10 more years if he did that.

with all due respect, TJ is no lo neal and never will be.. sellers is a lot closer to neal because he has the same attitude and attributes.. TJ is closer to dayne than either neal or brandon jacobs..

by the way, you think there is any hope for Nemo becoming more of the player we hope while on PS ? stephen davis took a stint as a fullback before he became a first rate back.. you think nemo can rise fromthe ashes ?

[joethefan]

You are not alone in your thinking. I think he runs like Ron Dayne. Tippy-toe through the tulips as my old coach would say.

someone mentioned in a thread yesterday that he needs to become a power back...like stephen davis realized he was. I do hope that we can turn him into that guy... he would be awesome if he was given and accepts role.

[skinsfan36]

im glad to see hes close now maybe we can resign pucillo,and dock.since we are losing are third we will need puciilo as depth again.

[Red Bear]

According to the WP:



Also at the bottom:



Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/06/AR2006120601970.html)

Thoughts? If this does go down soon, what do you think hR? Good idea.....Bad idea? I'm sure most won't or can't answer until contract numbers are available, but for now, what do you think? Discuss.


http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=878546&postcount=8

i beat you by 12 hours but no one pays attention to me =[

[shally]

If I were Betts...I'd hold out and test the FA market. A ton of teams need running backs and there are no Edges available like last year.

Does Betts mind being a permanent backup behind a 55 million dollar Pro Bowl RB? I figured he would want to get a starter somewhere else..

i do not know about that.. he is one injury away from losing millions... the skins are going to pound him for the next 4 games... right now he has more to lose than to gain based uponhis performance the several games

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=878546&postcount=8

i beat you by 12 hours but no one pays attention to me =[
aw, im sorry.....shoulda made a thread. :D

[Spence]

I think he's a FB, not a feature back. He should bulk up to 265 and be Lorenzo Neal. He would play for 10 more years if he did that.Recall that Stephen Davis was a big back who ran diffidently until he spent 1998 as a blocking fullback for Skip Hicks. That season of physical play and pounding as a fullback changed Davis the tailback from a pansy to a punisher.

[akhhorus]

Recall that Stephen Davis was a big back who ran diffidently until he spent 1998 as a blocking fullback for Skip Hicks. That season of physical play and pounding as a fullback changed Davis the tailback from a pansy to a punisher.

Apples and oranges imo. Davis' problem was that he didn't want take hits and was tentative in hitting the hole. Duckett has shown in the past that he can run the ball without these problems. He has zero problem looking for the hits. I think that his problem. He needs to slash more or bulk up and be a full time blocking back.

[shally]

Recall that Stephen Davis was a big back who ran diffidently until he spent 1998 as a blocking fullback for Skip Hicks. That season of physical play and pounding as a fullback changed Davis the tailback from a pansy to a punisher.


an excellent example.. but it took a mental change of attitude...TJ willhave to do the same..probably for another team if the betts deal goes through

[Discalced]

Any chance of locking him into a contract extension before this season's end just so that we can trade him and gain a couple more draft picks? I imagine, if he continues rack in the 100+ yd. games, that we might be able to get a 3rd & 4th for him...then we'd only be missing a 2nd rounder.

If we could dump Betts and keep Duckett, and get a couple of draft picks in the process, I'd consider the offseason a complete success even if we didn't sign a single FA and dealt only with the draft.

[chicago_skinz_fan]

Any chance of locking him into a contract extension before this season's end just so that we can trade him and gain a couple more draft picks? I imagine, if he continues rack in the 100+ yd. games, that we might be able to get a 3rd & 4th for him...then we'd only be missing a 2nd rounder.

If we could dump Betts and keep Duckett, and get a couple of draft picks in the process, I'd consider the offseason a complete success even if we didn't sign a single FA and dealt only with the draft.

There is a thread a few threads below that is talking about Betts close to extending his contract. :rolleyes:

[dj_stouty]

Any chance of locking him into a contract extension before this season's end just so that we can trade him and gain a couple more draft picks? I imagine, if he continues rack in the 100+ yd. games, that we might be able to get a 3rd & 4th for him...then we'd only be missing a 2nd rounder.

If we could dump Betts and keep Duckett, and get a couple of draft picks in the process, I'd consider the offseason a complete success even if we didn't sign a single FA and dealt only with the draft.

Merged

[shally]

Apples and oranges imo. Davis' problem was that he didn't want take hits and was tentative in hitting the hole. Duckett has shown in the past that he can run the ball without these problems. He has zero problem looking for the hits. I think that his problem. He needs to slash more or bulk up and be a full time blocking back.

i think he is slow to get started.. once he builds up some speed, he can move.. but for sure, he isn't quick

[Red Bear]

aw, im sorry.....shoulda made a thread. :D

:banghead:

[chrisbcbu]

Andyman on ES just reported that the deal is done.

Done deal. Just a matter of timing for announcement. Let's say $3.5 mil for a bonus.

[Vonslydog]

Andyman on ES just reported that the deal is done.
Cool. If I recall, he's been pretty accurate before.

[chrisbcbu]

Cool. If I recall, he's been pretty accurate before.

I cant recall a single time he wasnt accurate. ;)

[bgforever]

let's hope he doesn't blow a tire in the last 4 games... given his injury history, it makes a whole lot of sense for him to sign now with the heavy duty load he will carry for the next 4 games.. a serious injury or even something that knocks him out of a couple of games will cost him millions over the life of a contract...

that is exactly it.. he has not been that dependable over the entirety of his career. a lot of nagging injuries that cost him time. none major, but enough so that a team would have to have some thought about giving him a starter level contract..


clearly JG is showing why he's a player's coach. He is giving Betts the opportunity, as you say here, to sign, at his "peak" of production. Smart for JG to throw that incentive to Betts to get it done, "now". He is rewarding a warrior who has played his heart out.

STOCK OPTIONS:

Betts UP 30%
Rock UP 25%
TJ Duckett UNCH
PORTIS (See Blue Chip Stock Grades) Unch

[santanadasavior]

I say we should really become like the Steelers a year ago. Have a QB who can make throws and manage the game but rely heavily on the run and use a bunch of different backs.

[bgforever]

I say we should really become like the Steelers a year ago. Have a QB who can make throws and manage the game but rely heavily on the run and use a bunch of different backs.

Ditto, I can even see us "platooning" OL. It's possible.

[shally]

Cool. If I recall, he's been pretty accurate before.

i cannot recall him ever being wrong..

[shally]

I say we should really become like the Steelers a year ago. Have a QB who can make throws and manage the game but rely heavily on the run and use a bunch of different backs.

a good template but only half of what we need. we need a defense that shuts down opponents run games- totally..

[greatest2]

a good template but only half of what we need. we need a defense that shuts down opponents run games- totally..

good point, i believe we all want to run the football, and contiune to pound opponents. the reason steelers could do that is they had a great defense that stoped the run and pass, but also got turnovers. As good as our defense has been in the past couple years, they have lacked in the turnover department

as much as i want to run the ball at a 80-20 clip, i understand at best we will be 60 - 40, and probably very close to even, because our D can't stop opponents all day and lack crucial turnovers.

[santanadasavior]

good point, i believe we all want to run the football, and contiune to pound opponents. the reason steelers could do that is they had a great defense that stoped the run and pass, but also got turnovers. As good as our defense has been in the past couple years, they have lacked in the turnover department

as much as i want to run the ball at a 80-20 clip, i understand at best we will be 60 - 40, and probably very close to even, because our D can't stop opponents all day and lack crucial turnovers.

I guess the only good thing about that is our turnover ratio is still positive. We don't turn the ball over much which is a good sign.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i cannot recall him ever being wrong..
Andyman is Snyder...

[dj_stouty]

A 3.5 SB is peanuts. If this is true then the FO did a great job.