WP: Saunders helping Campbell Speed Up

[hail2skins]

They want him to have a faster rhythm. Don't know if that fits his personality or style but we'll see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121302031.html

[SpicyMcHaggis]

They want him to have a faster rhythm. Don't know if that fits his personality or style but we'll see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121302031.html
Looks like Saunders is staying...which is a good thing IMO. They have a whole offseason to work on JC, which should really show next year. This is why it was vital to get him playing time this year.

[GolfFreak]

Looks like Saunders is staying...which is a good thing IMO. They have a whole offseason to work on JC, which should really show next year. This is why it was vital to get him playing time this year.

I agree, I'm glad to see both him and Greg will be back next year. I'd hate to have to go through learning a new system all over again in 2007. Hopefully they'll have learned this system by then ...

[smoak]

I can't wait to see this offense next season! I think AS is going to work wonders with the talented and poised Campbell.

Only time will tell though...

[CarMike]

UGHH

Only 3 games left? Slap back to reality.

I hate the NFL offseason!

[redwolf1218]

i hope Saunders can adjust to Campbell. he is not in the same build as guys like Trent Green, Mark Bulger and Kurt Warner. i dont know if he'll ever be as quick with his feet, his drop-back, his release...but he's bigger, stronger and more athletic than those guys.

[whitskins]

Call it blind faith, but I think this offense is going to be sick next year. I can see us breaking out for good like the Bengals did in Carson Palmer's third year.

[Mizzin44]

I cringe everytime I hear someone talk about bringing "X" offence or "Y" defence to a team. The reason coaches go to the hall of fame is that they taylor thier offence and defence to the personel they have. The perfect example was the early '90's. The Redskins win the Super Bowl with runing the ball and Ryp throwing deep. After Gibbs left, Rod Dowhower (sp) took over the offence and went to the "West Coast Offence" with it's short passing game. Short passing wasn't Ryp's strength, the deep ball was. That was the beginning of the end.

Good coaches develop systems to fit personel, they don't try to make personel fit a system. I could careless about the system Saunders ran in KC, I only care what he runs here and that it fits our personel. Early in the season having Brunnell try to run the offence that he ran in KC was a train wreck waiting to happen. This team can run the ball, my advice....run the ball and keep running the ball until someone stops you!

As far as Trent Green if we had a guy like that. Ooops....we did....thanks Vinnie. Good thing we got rid of him, as he has proven over the years he can't play.

[joethefan]

Call it blind faith, but I think this offense is going to be sick next year. I can see us breaking out for good like the Bengals did in Carson Palmer's third year.

I sure hope you're right cause this "Get any lead, resulting in 17 points" and shut it down stuff aint happening...

[dthoren]

The Redskins need to simplify things enough to give Campbell the best chance to succeed over the last three games of the season while also identifying and correcting the flaws in his technique that must be refined for long-term success, Saunders said.

Duh. I think a little simplicity would do everyone some good.

[joethefan]

Duh. I think a little simplicity would do everyone some good.

but what are you simpifying...thoose are the same plays that Mark Brunell ran...I'm tired of them making it seem like Jason can't think.c'mon..he has the playbook, he's studied, he's learning...stop simpifying things...now a playbook that's 700 pages is rediculous maybe we can simplify that...to maybe 200...LOL

[SkinsfaninNJ]

but what are you simpifying...thoose are the same plays that Mark Brunell ran...I'm tired of them making it seem like Jason can't think.c'mon..he has the playbook, he's studied, he's learning...stop simpifying things...now a playbook that's 700 pages is rediculous maybe we can simplify that...to maybe 200...LOL
There was a good article about this on SI.com yesterday. Below is the link. The article was how V. Young is succeeding because the offense was adjusted to suit his strengths. They called it simplifying in the article, but it was really more about adjusting it to his strengths which included some of his old college plays. To me that's what good coaches do.

Note the paraphrase of AS on page 2 when the writer discusses egos of offensive coordinators.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/12/12/comlex.nfl/index.html

[dthoren]

but what are you simpifying...thoose are the same plays that Mark Brunell ran...I'm tired of them making it seem like Jason can't think.c'mon..he has the playbook, he's studied, he's learning...stop simpifying things...now a playbook that's 700 pages is rediculous maybe we can simplify that...to maybe 200...LOL
Yeah, that's what I mean. I really like what I've seen from JC, and the mass confusion on the field isn't helping him.

[PennSkinsFan]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. Campbell was drafted last year. This is his second year with the Redskins. In camp, in practice and in scrimmages and in pre-season, JC has likely played the same way he always has, the same way he is now. It is the only way he knows. JC has sat on the beench to learn the offense and for coaches to work with him. If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.

[bgforever]

They want him to have a faster rhythm. Don't know if that fits his personality or style but we'll see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121302031.html


they are correct. The play operandi is supposed to be faster anyway, with the talent of the players in the skill positions. One of the problems has been his windup to some degree and Mark Brunell's waning skills on "consistency" to match the speed of the play in passing. The running game however suffering a setback, may not be able to allow a slower pace anyway. Rabach's not likely to play, and neither is Jansen, so, everyone else will have to pick up their game to keep pace with NO.

JC's a very good adapter, and the one thing he will be more better for in the long run is that quicker pace. His "hurry up" and "2 minute" offenses will be much more improved too.

[skinfanatic]

Call it blind faith, but I think this offense is going to be sick next year. I can see us breaking out for good like the Bengals did in Carson Palmer's third year.

homer

[dj_stouty]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. Campbell was drafted last year. This is his second year with the Redskins. In camp, in practice and in scrimmages and in pre-season, JC has likely played the same way he always has, the same way he is now. It is the only way he knows. JC has sat on the beench to learn the offense and for coaches to work with him. If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.

This is how I feel.

I believe one of the biggest reasons you let a 1st rounder sit and develop on the bench is so you can work with him during that time on his deficiencies. NOW is simply too late. The guy is arleady battle tested and his old instincts and habits have already been programmed into his Pro Game, IMO. It may be too late, and Al will simply have to deal with it.

Again, I wish the Redskins would have found a way to retain Musgrave.

[BostonSkins]

This is how I feel.

I believe one of the biggest reasons you let a 1st rounder sit and develop on the bench is so you can work with him during that time on his deficiencies. NOW is simply too late. The guy is arleady battle tested and his old instincts and habits have already been programmed into his Pro Game, IMO. It may be too late, and Al will simply have to deal with it.

Again, I wish the Redskins would have found a way to retain Musgrave.

The thing is that you can tell a guy that he needs to speed up in practice, and he can try and speed up, but I would bet that it doesn't really sink in how important it is to speed up until you are on the field on Sunday playing in a real NFL game. As Allen Iverson said "we're talking about practice". I just have a feeling that no matter how hard the practice is that it doesn't move at the same speed as a regualr NFL game.

[redskin_rich]

I cringe everytime I hear someone talk about bringing "X" offence or "Y" defence to a team. The reason coaches go to the hall of fame is that they taylor thier offence and defence to the personel they have. The perfect example was the early '90's. The Redskins win the Super Bowl with runing the ball and Ryp throwing deep. After Gibbs left, Rod Dowhower (sp) took over the offence and went to the "West Coast Offence" with it's short passing game. Short passing wasn't Ryp's strength, the deep ball was. That was the beginning of the end.

Good coaches develop systems to fit personel, they don't try to make personel fit a system. I could careless about the system Saunders ran in KC, I only care what he runs here and that it fits our personel. Early in the season having Brunnell try to run the offence that he ran in KC was a train wreck waiting to happen. This team can run the ball, my advice....run the ball and keep running the ball until someone stops you!

As far as Trent Green if we had a guy like that. Ooops....we did....thanks Vinnie. Good thing we got rid of him, as he has proven over the years he can't play.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but you need to get some of your facts straight. When Dowhower (who I think is terrible) took over, Ryp played in one game and played well enough to beat Dallas on Monday night. The next game he tore his ACL and the season spiraled into oblivion with Conklin and Gannon at QB.
Secondly, Vinny wasn't here when Trent Green left, neither was Snyder. Casserly was still the GM but we had no owner and the league froze the Skins from making any free agent signings. It was an unfortunate situation but not one that can be blamed on anyone here.
As to your points, we'll see how this system looks next year and I tend to believe that Saunders will make adjustments to fit the personnel.

[openallnight]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. Campbell was drafted last year. This is his second year with the Redskins. In camp, in practice and in scrimmages and in pre-season, JC has likely played the same way he always has, the same way he is now. It is the only way he knows. JC has sat on the beench to learn the offense and for coaches to work with him. If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.
PSF, I was thinking the exact same thing. Except for the part about not realizing this. I think they have realized this and have been working on it. But, it just ain't happening for some reason.

[shally]

homer


wasn't palmer very good in his second year ??

[openallnight]

Ryp played in one game and played well enough to beat Dallas on Monday night.
Ahhh, I remember that game well. RFK was electric I thought the place was gonna collapse when Monk scored to cap off that '99 yard TD drive. Man, what a game that was. One of the best games I've ever been too. We whooped 'em to the tune of 35 - 16.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane RR :)

[SkinsGuru]

wasn't palmer very good in his second year ??

I believe Palmer didn't play till 1/2 way through his 2nd year and was good at times, bat at times . . . the next year, his 3rd he started the year and was pretty good, still had some so so moments, but by the halfway point of his 3rd season he was a studd and continues to get better now (except for the injury setback) . . . hope Campbell turns into the QB Carson Palmer is!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I believe Palmer didn't play till 1/2 way through his 2nd year and was good at times, bat at times . . . the next year, his 3rd he started the year and was pretty good, still had some so so moments, but by the halfway point of his 3rd season he was a studd and continues to get better now (except for the injury setback) . . . hope Campbell turns into the QB Carson Palmer is!!
Palmer started since the first week of the season. He started 13 games that year (all except the last 3).

[SkinsGuru]

Palmer started since the first week of the season. He started 13 games that year (all except the last 3).

I guess I was wrong then . . . what was their record that year? 8 - 8 ??

Was he under a different Offensive Coordinator from his first year???

Campbell will be just fine.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I guess I was wrong then . . . what was their record that year? 8 - 8 ??

Was he under a different Offensive Coordinator from his first year???

Campbell will be just fine.
Yeah, I think they went 8-8. And the year before Kitna was the starter, but I have no idea who the coordinator was...

[SkinsGuru]

PREVIOUS SEASONS: 2004 - Made his regular-season playing debut, following his inactive rookie season, and took every offensive snap until he was sidelined by a knee ligament strain in Game 13, Dec. 12 at New England … Did not play in Games 14-16 (designated the inactive third QB) … In the first 13 games, showed tremendous progress as the season went on, posting a 96.9 passer rating in his last six games after scoring 62.6 for his first seven games … Named AFC Offensive Player of the Week after leading 27-26 comeback win Dec. 5 at Baltimore, in which he threw three TD passes in fourth quarter … Also led a fourth-quarter comeback in 58-48 win Nov. 28 vs. Cleveland, and led a tie-breaking FG drive in final minutes of Sunday nighter Sept. 19 vs. Miami (his first NFL win) … For the season, completed 263-of-432 passes (60.9 percent) for 2897 yards, 18 TDs and 18 INTs … Posted a 105.2 passer rating in NFL debut Sept. 12 at N.Y. Jets … His first TD pass was six-yarder to RB Kenny Watson in third quarter at N.Y. … Directed second national prime time win of the season in Monday night action Oct. 25 vs. Denver, completing 12-of-21 for 198-1-1, including a pair of 50-yard completions to WR Chad Johnson … Scored his first NFL TD in Nov. 7 win vs. Dallas, on a two-yard bootleg for game’s final scoring play, and had his longest pro completion when he connected with TE Matt Schobel for 76-yard score that put Bengals ahead of Cowboys 16-3 in third quarter … Threw career-high four TD passes in win Nov. 28 vs. Cleveland … On Dec. 5 at Baltimore, posted career highs in completions (29) and passing yards (382).

Source: (http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=21)

Palmers QB rating for first 7 games 62.6, then for his last 6 games he played in 2004 his QB rating was 96.9.

Jason Campbell's QB rating in his first 4 games is 68.8 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/407793) . . . lets hope he continues to improve like Palmer did!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Source: (http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=21)

Palmers QB rating for first 7 games 62.6, then for his last 6 games he played in 2004 his QB rating was 96.9.

Jason Campbell's QB rating in his first 4 games is 68.8 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/407793) . . . lets hope he continues to improve like Palmer did!!
Absolutely! (Besides the part where the Steelers fat lineman rolls over his leg though..lol...)

[hail2skins]

they are correct. The play operandi is supposed to be faster anyway, with the talent of the players in the skill positions. One of the problems has been his windup to some degree and Mark Brunell's waning skills on "consistency" to match the speed of the play in passing. The running game however suffering a setback, may not be able to allow a slower pace anyway. Rabach's not likely to play, and neither is Jansen, so, everyone else will have to pick up their game to keep pace with NO.

JC's a very good adapter, and the one thing he will be more better for in the long run is that quicker pace. His "hurry up" and "2 minute" offenses will be much more improved too.I think we may be talking about different paces. They want him to throw the ball where the receiver should be and not wait for the receiver to get there. They want has drop to be quicker and his release to be quicker. It's not about 2 minute offense.

[silverspring]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. Campbell was drafted last year. This is his second year with the Redskins. In camp, in practice and in scrimmages and in pre-season, JC has likely played the same way he always has, the same way he is now. It is the only way he knows. JC has sat on the beench to learn the offense and for coaches to work with him. If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.

Couldn't agree more. Saunders even says this isn't the type of thing you can work on during the season as in while jason is preparing for games. They have had 1.5 years to tweak his delivery if they haven't done it by now it isn't going to happen. Our coaching staff needs to learn how to be proactive. What exactly do they do all day, eat donuts?

[smoak]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but you need to get some of your facts straight. When Dowhower (who I think is terrible) took over, Ryp played in one game and played well enough to beat Dallas on Monday night. The next game he tore his ACL and the season spiraled into oblivion with Conklin and Gannon at QB.
Secondly, Vinny wasn't here when Trent Green left, neither was Snyder. Casserly was still the GM but we had no owner and the league froze the Skins from making any free agent signings. It was an unfortunate situation but not one that can be blamed on anyone here.
As to your points, we'll see how this system looks next year and I tend to believe that Saunders will make adjustments to fit the personnel.

Agreed. I have still yet to read the article, but I think the point is they are "tweaking" with JC's fundamentals not trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Looks like Saunders is staying...which is a good thing IMO. They have a whole offseason to work on JC, which should really show next year. This is why it was vital to get him playing time this year.
I really believe the 07 skins will be exactly what we thought we'd see this season, of course I always think we'll be good but consistency and coaching stability will help on both sides of the ball.

[hail2skins]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. Campbell was drafted last year. This is his second year with the Redskins. In camp, in practice and in scrimmages and in pre-season, JC has likely played the same way he always has, the same way he is now. It is the only way he knows. JC has sat on the beench to learn the offense and for coaches to work with him. If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.Maybe the coaches felt learning the system was more important than changing his mechanics. Why have him working on both at the same time. Yeah, he was 3rd string but who knows, what if he was required to play in a game because the other QB's went down? Hey coach, I don't know the plays but my mechanics should be good. I'm not making an excuse for them but it may have been what they were thinking.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

In the article they talk about throwing to a spot and trusting your receivers. I think that is the primary thing they are talking about when they say it takes a year to really master AS's system. There is some serious blind faith telling your QB the receiver may not be open right now but throw and by the time he gets there he will be.

I believe these small adjustments are part of JC's development regardless of when he started playing rather than watching and this will be a better offense for it (I hope).

[greatest2]

JC will definitly be better next year, he goes through everything (OTAs, camp, training camp, etc.) as the number 1 guy. getting all the reps with the first team. and so far (knock on wood), i don't see anyone except maybeportis (even though that is huge) that wont be able to go in the offseason, at least on offense.

JC getting all the reps, wide outs in the 2nd year, al working with him, gibbs there as well, and the determination of gibbs after a bad season, plus JC going into the season as the franchise QB, i think we will be fine!!! in fact, dare i start the hype for next year, without a free agent even signing or draft pick?:rolleyes:


EDIT: also, look at the post online, under the skins of course. JC's picture, he has his mouth guard in his helmet instead of in his mouth. haha, i guess those are rookie (he is essentially a rookie on the field) mistake, put that in JC, you the future here take every precaution you can to stay healthy

[redskin_rich]

In the article they talk about throwing to a spot and trusting your receivers. I think that is the primary thing they are talking about when they say it takes a year to really master AS's system. There is some serious blind faith telling your QB the receiver may not be open right now but throw and by the time he gets there he will be.

I believe these small adjustments are part of JC's development regardless of when he started playing rather than watching and this will be a better offense for it (I hope).
That is what a timing offense is all about. The QB has to make a presnap read and I imagine all that motioning shows him what the coverage is. Just watch Peyton Manning and the Colts for an example of a timing offense that usually works well.

[shally]

Maybe the coaches felt learning the system was more important than changing his mechanics. Why have him working on both at the same time. Yeah, he was 3rd string but who knows, what if he was required to play in a game because the other QB's went down? Hey coach, I don't know the plays but my mechanics should be good. I'm not making an excuse for them but it may have been what they were thinking.

i read somewhere in the past that he was advised while at auburn by a former nfl qb not to ever allow anyone to try and mess with his mechanics..

good advice because guys like randall cunningham had a far more exaggerated windup and release and still had success

[santanadasavior]

i read somewhere in the past that he was advised while at auburn by a former nfl qb not to ever allow anyone to try and mess with his mechanics..

good advice because guys like randall cunningham had a far more exaggerated windup and release and still had success

That does make sense. I mean if he was throwing the ball poorly I would understand the change but there is nothing wrong with how he is throwing the ball. The things wrong right now are his reads and his decision making. These are things that you have to live with from a first year QB so I'm not too shocked and I'm hoping that these mistakes start to go away.

One thing that I really like about Campbell that cannot be taught is his awareness. He knows how to make plays. He knows when to run and when to pass. He has picked up several big plays for us on the ground that not many QBs could do. His poise is also great. He throws two picks that could have rattled most QBs his age but he came back out and all things considered, played a pretty good rest of the game.

[shally]

That does make sense. I mean if he was throwing the ball poorly I would understand the change but there is nothing wrong with how he is throwing the ball. The things wrong right now are his reads and his decision making. These are things that you have to live with from a first year QB so I'm not too shocked and I'm hoping that these mistakes start to go away.

One thing that I really like about Campbell that cannot be taught is his awareness. He knows how to make plays. He knows when to run and when to pass. He has picked up several big plays for us on the ground that not many QBs could do. His poise is also great. He throws two picks that could have rattled most QBs his age but he came back out and all things considered, played a pretty good rest of the game.

also, he seems to be able to sense pressure around him and move and slide. that is a real gift to have.. and as you said, his poise is unreal for a young qb..

[Mizzin44]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but you need to get some of your facts straight. When Dowhower (who I think is terrible) took over, Ryp played in one game and played well enough to beat Dallas on Monday night. The next game he tore his ACL and the season spiraled into oblivion with Conklin and Gannon at QB.
Secondly, Vinny wasn't here when Trent Green left, neither was Snyder. Casserly was still the GM but we had no owner and the league froze the Skins from making any free agent signings. It was an unfortunate situation but not one that can be blamed on anyone here.
As to your points, we'll see how this system looks next year and I tend to believe that Saunders will make adjustments to fit the personnel.

I think you miss my point, when Dowhower took over the offence the offence was changed. The Dallas game you speak of was one game, in which the offence struggled as I recall. Regardles, my point is form the system around the team, not the other way around. Had the Redskins done this from day one this season, while they would still be far from a good team, they (in my opinion) would have more than 4 wins and still be in the picture for a playoff slot.

[golongdude]

Once again, I will be the critical one here. <snip> If his speed of delivery is not quick enough, why for the past two years have they not worked on that and had him ready for now????? Again, to me, it just seems like this staff is late on everything. How are you just realizing this? Why not address this fromt he very first moment? Why did Saunders not see this in trainign camp and have Bill Lazor working on this???? I guess it is that attention to detail that has been lacking.

Dear God - yes, I support this viewpoint 100%.

I feel there is no excuse for this. I have bad feelings about the state of this organization, top to bottom. They could be cellar dwellars for some time until they decide to blow the entire thing up. Next year will be the ultimate test of what this group is about that. Fail to make deep in the playoffs, and I feel it is time to pull the plug from the top to the bottom. What has occurred over the last three years is next to inexcusable.

[AGibbsGirl]

Dear God - yes, I support this viewpoint 100%.

I feel there is no excuse for this. I have bad feelings about the state of this organization, top to bottom. They could be cellar dwellars for some time until they decide to blow the entire thing up. Next year will be the ultimate test of what this group is about that. Fail to make deep in the playoffs, and I feel it is time to pull the plug from the top to the bottom. What has occurred over the last three years is next to inexcusable.

You mean being two games out from the Super Bowl last year was not "deep in the playoffs" enough for you?

Come on, we had a 3rd string, 2nd year, right handed, kid take over in the middle of the season for a left handed vet, who got all the reps with our main WR. I'm giving this kid, our WR (whom I think take a share of the mess on their shoulders as well as JC) and this organization one more break.

[shally]

You mean being two games out from the Super Bowl last year was not "deep in the playoffs" enough for you?

Come on, we had a 3rd string, 2nd year, right handed, kid take over in the middle of the season for a left handed vet, who got all the reps with our main WR. I'm giving this kid, our WR (whom I think take a share of the mess on their shoulders as well as JC) and this organization one more break.

i do not think the offense will be the major problem next year.. the defense will determine how far we go as a team.. this is a critical off season for GW and the defensive staff..

[golongdude]

Come on, we had a 3rd string, 2nd year, right handed, kid take over in the middle of the season for a left handed vet, who got all the reps with our main WR. I'm giving this kid, our WR (whom I think take a share of the mess on their shoulders as well as JC) and this organization one more break.

That is what 2007 is - one more break.

[PennSkinsFan]

Banks giving JC some, love

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Au2c77KyJzcqUcWUjDlVf_BDubYF?slug=cnnsi-snapjudgments&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Speaking of young quarterbacks who are flashing some late-season promise, I saw a bunch of big-league throws from Washington's Jason Campbell in the Redskins' win at New Orleans. That 31-yard first-quarter touchdown pass to Santana Moss -- perfectly threaded between two Saints defensive backs -- was a thing of beauty.

[PennSkinsFan]

More love, Clark Judge from CBS Sports

4. The more I see of Jason Campbell the more I wonder why Joe Gibbs was so reluctant to turn to him.

[Apache]

Well hopefully they can work out some sort of rythum and although I didn't think we need AS, I'm not ready to change the offensive game plan around again. I think JC will definately improve as long as we stick by him and AS will adjust to JC as well. He is strong, has an arm, and he has the ability to move around providing his own players don't run into him. As tall as he is, I can't believe all the batted balls but, I think once he knows how to get either get quicker and learn how to disguise his passes it will get better. I guess one thing about being a tall QB is the fact not only can he see over everyone's head better but, everyone see him better too. The way he was dropping back and winding up early on became a dead giveaway. We just need to be patient.

Really, who though Trent Green or Brad Johnson would still be around after their stints with the Redskins? We need some patience.

[Apache]

More love, Clark Judge from CBS Sports


Yeah, a little earlier could have made things mesh sooner. Although, we haven't exactly won, our offense has pretty much dominated the past few games. We should have won against Philly hands down but, the rookie mistakes lost us the game. Tell me though, why the heck are we so horrible down near the Red Zone? Do you think the coaching staff is looking for a big time pass play vs. letting Betts pound the ball?

[redwolf1218]

i'm not sure if it's possible to just "speed up" a guy's delivery. Campbell is 6'-5 and 230, he throws a beautiful arching deep ball. Brunell can throw a quick slant on a 3-step drop. i think there are things that the one guy can do, which the other guy cannot do, and the things that Campbell can do will make us a better team in the long run.

the quickest release i've ever seen was Dan Marino. the slowest is Byron Leftwich. Campbell is somewhere in between, but more athletic than either of them, and he has a great arm.

[Skins7ny]

i'm not sure if it's possible to just "speed up" a guy's delivery. Campbell is 6'-5 and 230, he throws a beautiful arching deep ball. Brunell can throw a quick slant on a 3-step drop. i think there are things that the one guy can do, which the other guy cannot do, and the things that Campbell can do will make us a better team in the long run.

the quickest release i've ever seen was Dan Marino. the slowest is Byron Leftwich. Campbell is somewhere in between, but more athletic than either of them, and he has a great arm.

Campbell's release is much, much closer to Leftwich than he is to Marino.
I have no doubt that Campbell will work hard on it with the coaches in the off-season, Saunders has already mentioned it. I cannot imagine why they did not work on it the whole time Campbell was riding the pine. Heaven knows that they have enough coaches. I agree that every QB has his faults, but it seems silly not to try to work on those faults. This is a correctable problem, it doesn't have to mess up his accuracy. It will probably help his accuracy on the short throws, which stinks right now.

[shally]

More love, Clark Judge from CBS Sports

really !!!! the change should have been made earlier.. too bad, we might be in contention for a playoff spot now... hindsight...

[shally]

Campbell's release is much, much closer to Leftwich than he is to Marino.
I have no doubt that Campbell will work hard on it with the coaches in the off-season, Saunders has already mentioned it. I cannot imagine why they did not work on it the whole time Campbell was riding the pine. Heaven knows that they have enough coaches. I agree that every QB has his faults, but it seems silly not to try to work on those faults. This is a correctable problem, it doesn't have to mess up his accuracy. It will probably help his accuracy on the short throws, which stinks right now.

his accuracy is not bad on short throws.. he leads the backs onthose wheel routes beautifully and that takes tremendous touch.. also the short routes to cooley are right on the money.. it is an intermittent problem

[Skins7ny]

his accuracy is not bad on short throws.. he leads the backs onthose wheel routes beautifully and that takes tremendous touch.. also the short routes to cooley are right on the money.. it is an intermittent problem

He has been throwing a ton of balls in the dirt. That may be a function of Saunders' system which calls for the QB to throw to spots, not to receivers. It may be because he just doesn't have the timing down with those receivers b/c of lack of game and practice reps with them. I hope that they all become best friends in the off-season. Campbell is going to be a good one, and I think we make noise in the playoffs next year.

[Skins7ny]

his accuracy is not bad on short throws.. he leads the backs onthose wheel routes beautifully and that takes tremendous touch.. also the short routes to cooley are right on the money.. it is an intermittent problem

I do agree with you that he has shown the ability to lead receivers out of the backfield (and downfield, as well) so that they don't break stride. One of the many things I like about the guy is that he seems to improve on his weaknesses. I think his history is that he acknowledges weaknesses and works on them until they are no longer weaknesses. I am sure that is one of the things that made him an attractive prospect to Gibbs.

[AGibbsGirl]

That is what 2007 is - one more break.


duuuuuuuuude, we were 10-6 in the regular season and won the wild card game to advance to the Divisional playoffs last year, again...I ask you...how was last year inexcusable?

If we had had 3 consecutive bad years, I'd be with you, but we had a very good run last year.

All I'm saying is let's see what we can do in year 2 with Saunders' play book, our young fresh QB Campbell, a healthy front line next year, and two great running backs, if we can get Portis healthy.

[dj_stouty]

Is it me...or does Jason's balls really seem to float or have a lot of air under them? I really started noticing it during the Saints game.

[redwolf1218]

Campbell's release is much, much closer to Leftwich than he is to Marino.
I have no doubt that Campbell will work hard on it with the coaches in the off-season, Saunders has already mentioned it. I cannot imagine why they did not work on it the whole time Campbell was riding the pine. Heaven knows that they have enough coaches. I agree that every QB has his faults, but it seems silly not to try to work on those faults. This is a correctable problem, it doesn't have to mess up his accuracy. It will probably help his accuracy on the short throws, which stinks right now.
he's a pretty tall guy and he practically has to put his butt on the ground to take the snap from Rabach. that must make it hard to get into a quick 3 step drop and throwing motion for the quick slants...i'd like to see more shotgun formation, and run from it too.

i'm sure they've worked on it, but game speed is different and that's probably what he's getting used to now.

[redwolf1218]

Is it me...or does Jason's balls really seem to float or have a lot of air under them? I really started noticing it during the Saints game.
they do float but he throws a beautiful high-arching deep ball. he just has to get rid of it quicker if he's going to have that kind of hang time on it.