2007 Opponents (Official)

[hail2skins]

Well, our 2007 opponents looks like this so far:


Home

Dallas, 9-6
Philadelphia, 9-6
New York, 7-8
Chicago, 13-2
Detroit, 2-13
Buffalo, 7-8
Miami, 6-9
Arizona, 5-11


Away

Dallas, 9-6
Philadelphia, 9-6
New York, 7-8
Green Bay, 7-8
Minnesota, 6-9
New England, 11-4
NY Jets, 9-6
Tampa Bay, 4-12

[CNYSkinFan]

Well, our 2007 schedule looks like this so far:

Home games against division (Philly, New York, Dallas)
Away games against division (Philly, New York, Dallas)

The rest is like this:

Home
Chicago
Detroit
Buffalo
Miami
A team from NFC West

Away
Green Bay
Minnesota
New England
NY Jets
A team from NFC South

And for the third year in a row and 4 times in the last 3 years we will probab ly be playing in Tampa. Thiswill makem Keino happy I am sure but wth? Why do we always end up in Tampa?

I think we are looking at Arizona coming to Fed Ex for the visiting NFC West team, which is good.

[BurgundyNGold]

How much so you want to bet that the team from the NFC south is the Bucs again, lol.

[hail2skins]

Yep, I'm thinking Arizona and Tampa.

[StogieHog]

With the exception of NE, the road games look very winable. Not to say we will not beat NE but just saying that could be the toughest road game.

[CNYSkinFan]

How much so you want to bet that the team from the NFC south is the Bucs again, lol.
I think they will take the last place team in each of those divisions. Right now that is Tampa and AZ. If Az were to win and San fran lose next week it could be SF coming to our place, but tampa is a lock. We are going to Tampa...AGAIN!!!!

[CNYSkinFan]

With the exception of NE, the road games look very winable. Not to say we will not beat NE but just saying that could be the toughest road game.
The Jets have turned things around under Mangini and if Penington is not hurt that will be a tough win ...not to mention we don't play well in the meadowlands at all.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yep, I'm thinking Arizona and Tampa.
Well, if either the Bucs or Cards are on the road, I'm going to that game. I can visit my brother in Scottsdale if we play the Cards and I can drink all of Keino's booze if we play in Tampa, lol.

[CNYSkinFan]

the Cards would be in Fedex, the Bucs will be on the road

[StogieHog]

The Jets have turned things around under Mangini and if Penington is not hurt that will be a tough win ...not to mention we don't play well in the meadowlands at all.

I guess so, I just don't think the Jets are as good as everyone thinks they are.

[hail2skins]

Well, if either the Bucs or Cards are on the road, I'm going to that game. I can visit my brother in Scottsdale if we play the Cards and I can drink all of Keino's booze if we play in Tampa, lol.Get in line pal. I'm at the front of that line.

[hail2skins]

And for the third year in a row and 4 times in the last 3 years we will probab ly be playing in Tampa. Thiswill makem Keino happy I am sure but wth? Why do we always end up in Tampa?

I think we are looking at Arizona coming to Fed Ex for the visiting NFC West team, which is good.If you're going to quote me, at least get it right. :D

[BurgundyNGold]

the Cards would be in Fedex, the Bucs will be on the road
Ha! Keino had better lock up that liquor cabinet because hR is doing a road trip, baby. :D

[hail2skins]

I guess so, I just don't think the Jets are as good as everyone thinks they are.The Toe (Coles) is healthy now isn't he? Hopefully we upgrade our secondary with better players.

[CNYSkinFan]

If you're going to quote me, at least get it right. :D
booooo no fair changing it after you post lol

[CNYSkinFan]

Ha! Keino had better lock up that liquor cabinet because hR is doing a road trip, baby. :D
I call the couch!!!! I can go visit my mom in gainesvile!!!

[StogieHog]

The Toe (Coles) is healthy now isn't he? Hopefully we upgrade our secondary with better players.

:jetsuk:

Maybe Pennington will get benched and we will play against Ramsey:rolleyes:

[joethefan]

Dag we gotta see the pats...:banghead:

[LATrueRedskin]

We'll probably play 4 or 5 of them coming off their bye week. :rolleyes:

[BostonSkins]

Needless to say, I can't wait for Pats-Skins at Gilette, I may start tailgating this weekend for it.

The one nice thing about finishing last in the division is seeing two other last place finishers on the schedule.

[joethefan]

The Toe (Coles) is healthy now isn't he? Hopefully we upgrade our secondary with better players.
I hope Sean remembers he went to Fla St. and Tagg him...:D

[hail2skins]

:jetsuk:

Maybe Pennington will get benched and we will play against Ramsey:rolleyes:Isn't he a 3rd stringer now. LOL

[redskin_rich]

Count me in on the road trip to Tampa. Party at Keino's!!!

[Skinz4lyfe]

Isn't he a 3rd stringer now. LOL

And in danger of being cut from what I hear.

[whistleandthumb]

With our luck, the Lions, Bills, and Dolphins will all be the toast of the league next year.

[StogieHog]

With our luck, the Lions, Bills, and Dolphins will all be the toast of the league next year.

Well if we can get in the end zone on a consistent level like we did against St Louis last week, then we will have no problems as long as we can keep our defense healthy.

[CNYSkinFan]

With our luck, the Lions, Bills, and Dolphins will all be the toast of the league next year.
well the bills are making a strong showing and the Dolphins are a real QB away from winning alot of games. The Lions are the lions and nothing will change that. Arizona if it can get some defense and a new coach could be good. Tampa will get Simms back next year but I doubt it will make a difference. Green Bay could be horrible oif Favre goes out on one last playoff run this year. Minnesota should be horrible, but then again they were horrible this year.

[bergiemoore]

With our luck, the Lions, Bills, and Dolphins will all be the toast of the league next year.

There will be snow ball fights in hell if that happens! LOL

[BIGSEF3]

With the exception of NE, the road games look very winable. Not to say we will not beat NE but just saying that could be the toughest road game.

ummmm, with the exception of the lions, EVERY SINGLE TEAM we play next year, is better than we are this year. Assuming all the teams, including us im prove, we are still a worse team than nearly every team on our schedule. Add to it the fact Joe Gibbs is no longer a good coach, and next year looks to be just as much a disappointment as this year (at present)

[danny's stogie]

well the bills are making a strong showing and the Dolphins are a real QB away from winning alot of games. The Lions are the lions and nothing will change that. Arizona if it can get some defense and a new coach could be good. Tampa will get Simms back next year but I doubt it will make a difference. Green Bay could be horrible oif Favre goes out on one last playoff run this year. Minnesota should be horrible, but then again they were horrible this year.

The Dolphins aren't a QB away, they need an Oline and their skill position players need to show consistency. They have a good defense, but by the time they get the offense straightened out it'll be an over-the-hill defense.

[CNYSkinFan]

The Dolphins aren't a QB away, they need an Oline and their skill position players need to show consistency. They have a good defense, but by the time they get the offense straightened out it'll be an over-the-hill defense.
maybe but they scare me next year. Espescially with the way our defense has been playing we will make their offense all world.

[Keino]

BYOB in the Keino household you Leeching Bastages....:)

[CNYSkinFan]

BYOB in the Keino household you Leeching Bastages....:)
LOL noticed he didn't say we could not come!!!

[hail2skins]

ummmm, with the exception of the lions, EVERY SINGLE TEAM we play next year, is better than we are this year. Assuming all the teams, including us im prove, we are still a worse team than nearly every team on our schedule. Add to it the fact Joe Gibbs is no longer a good coach, and next year looks to be just as much a disappointment as this year (at present)You never seize to amaze me with your comments. How can next year look to be a disappointment? Gibbs has already recognized and admitted some things he's done wrong. He was a little late in changing things but he did. To say he's no longer a good coach is absurd.

[hail2skins]

BYOB in the Keino household you Leeching Bastages....:)LMAO, I'll be double-fisted

[joethefan]

ummmm, with the exception of the lions, EVERY SINGLE TEAM we play next year, is better than we are this year. Assuming all the teams, including us im prove, we are still a worse team than nearly every team on our schedule. Add to it the fact Joe Gibbs is no longer a good coach, and next year looks to be just as much a disappointment as this year (at present)

How is he no longer a good coach? What are you saying...Well at least we know were your coming from and going next year.....i'll look to hear from you in 2008.....WOW.

[Patrick]

Yep, I'm thinking Arizona and Tampa.
Either way - a great long weekend "RoadTrip".

[Patrick]

ummmm, with the exception of the lions, EVERY SINGLE TEAM we play next year, is better than we are this year. Assuming all the teams, including us im prove, we are still a worse team than nearly every team on our schedule. Add to it the fact Joe Gibbs is no longer a good coach, and next year looks to be just as much a disappointment as this year (at present)

Yeah - What ever! :twak:

[Redskin4Life]

The Jets have turned things around under Mangini and if Penington is not hurt that will be a tough win ...not to mention we don't play well in the meadowlands at all.
Don't be surprised if we have to play both the Giants and Jets back to back early in the season....

[ryflan47]

Arg! I'm not gonna be here next year when we play the Jets away!! And why do we have to play Miami at home!! Ahh!

[Keino]

ummmm, with the exception of the lions, EVERY SINGLE TEAM we play next year, is better than we are this year. Assuming all the teams, including us im prove, we are still a worse team than nearly every team on our schedule. Add to it the fact Joe Gibbs is no longer a good coach, and next year looks to be just as much a disappointment as this year (at present)

Worst Post of the year. and again, a good thing I do not have the ability to ban, as I would have cut ya.

The reality of the NFL is that there are no teams supremely more talented than anyone else. That is the result of parity. Carolina was everyone's pick for the SB this year, and they won't even be in the playoffs. By the same token raise your hand if you thought the Saints would be hosting at least 1 playoff game. I say all that to say that the Redskins have just as good a chacne next year as anyone else, and I will keep this post on file to pull out whenever you make a post that I find objectionable.

[BIGSEF3]

You never seize to amaze me with your comments. How can next year look to be a disappointment? Gibbs has already recognized and admitted some things he's done wrong. He was a little late in changing things but he did. To say he's no longer a good coach is absurd.

Gibbs isnt saying anything we havent heard before. Aside from a 5game winning streak late last season, this team has been horrible ever since Gibbs has been here. But even then, We won only 10 games last year. Many of those wins were by wone by a fieldgoal or less. Aside from the 2nd Cowboys game and the 49ers game, we didnt DOMINATE anyone. My point is that even last year, this team was not that good. If we were in the AFC, we may not have even made the playoffs. Every offseaons Gibbs claims to have learned things and then this team continues to have the same problems. Every year the Cardinals act as if they finally have it together, and every year they have the same problems. EVERY LOSING TEAM says this sort of rediculous rhetoric to pacify fans and give them hope after a losing season.

I dont see how everyone just falls for this empty rhetoric. Its just like how every politician makes promises to get into office, then never follows through. But every election, people beleive "this guy is different. hes really going to change things." Its all fantasy.

Next years schedule looks to be even more difficult than this years. I have no hope for this franchise until Gibbs retires and we get a good head coach or Snyder hires a GOOD GM who doesnt just do whatever Gibbs wants. If eitherhappens, then we still probably have to wait atleast 2-3 years to see tangible results. There is no quick way to fix this franchise. We are not "close" We are not just missing a "few pieces of the puzzle." There are no quick fixes for this team.

[BIGSEF3]

Worst Post of the year. and again, a good thing I do not have the ability to ban, as I would have cut ya.

wow, i know what I just said isnt popular and negative, but its just an honest opinion on what i think about the current state of this franchise and what i think we need to do to fix it and the fact that i dont see dramatic short-term improvement.

I didnt attack anyone else or their opinions. As someone who has been banned before, I dont want to do anything against the policy here, so if i have broken some rule, im sorry and could you please let me know what it is so i dont repeat?

[BIGSEF3]

Yeah - What ever! :twak:

Uhhhh, if his name wasnt joe gibbs, he would probably be getting fired this year. Whether you like it or not, general rule of thumb nowadays is you give a coach 2-3 years to develop a good team. If he doesnt do it, he gets fired. I have nothing against Gibbs AS A PERSON. He seems to be probably one of the humblest and honest persons on the planet. I am not taking anything away from his past success either. But the only thing Gibbs is going to accomplish by coming back next year is to set this team back even more and futher tarnish his good name. The only reason I personally want Gibbs to stay is because there dont appear to be any better HC candidates available.

[Keino]

wow, i know what I just said isnt popular and negative, but its just an honest opinion on what i think about the current state of this franchise and what i think we need to do to fix it and the fact that i dont see dramatic short-term improvement.

I didnt attack anyone else or their opinions. As someone who has been banned before, I dont want to do anything against the policy here, so if i have broken some rule, im sorry and could you please let me know what it is so i dont repeat?


You didn't violate any rules, you just pissed me off. It's why I don't have the power to ban, becuase the Admins know that thre would be like 45 members left.


As for your argument trying to back-up your statement, it doesn't fly. You don't fire a coach a year after he took you to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years. He gets the benefit of the doubt, no matter what his name is. Furthermore, you keep trying to analyze next year's schedule, when it doesn't mean squat as I alluded to in my earlier post. There is no way to tell whcih teams will be good and which ones won't. Too much happens between now and the 07 season. We were predicted to go 4-12 by some and we went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. To try and act like the coach had nothing to with the team running off 5 straight wins (6 including the road playoff win against the League's #1 Defense) is self-serving and assinine.

So, you're next opportunity, thank an Admin for 2 things. 1 for being here, as I would've voted No on that question and 2 that I don't have the power, or you would've been gone again..

[StogieHog]

As much as I love and respect Coach Gibbs, I have to agree with BIGSEF3.

Is Coach Gibbs done with coaching? I think he has turned a little soft. He stayed to loyal to Brunnell for personal reasons in my opinion. I saw a picture of him in the paper during the season doing exercises with the team. Cmon, he is trying to be their friends and not enough their coach.

I want the old Coach Gibbs back!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'm sure Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher are very thankful you don't run the Steelers or Titans. Both of those guys have had multiple bad seasons in the past with these teams. You would have fired them both.

I know things didn't go well this year, but show a little patience.

[joethefan]

As much as I love and respect Coach Gibbs, I have to agree with BIGSEF3.

Is Coach Gibbs done with coaching? I think he has turned a little soft. He stayed to loyal to Brunnell for personal reasons in my opinion. I saw a picture of him in the paper during the season doing exercises with the team. Cmon, he is trying to be their friends and not enough their coach.

I want the old Coach Gibbs back!

Just because he's doing excorcises with his team means nothing.. He madse a decision to bring Al in, (which we all applauded) but now have learned that IMO he should have kept everything the way it was, thus making an addition or two, along with the play calling which IMO was horrible this year. But it's Ok. We gfound another back that can play..we're Raising this young QB that has showed us he can take a hit and can make plays. It was a season that was really rough but Joe didn't expect his D to look that way either. So if anything, he made a mistake IMO by changing the offense, but that doens't make him a badd coach. Things just didn't go our way this year.

[hail2skins]

As much as I love and respect Coach Gibbs, I have to agree with BIGSEF3.

Is Coach Gibbs done with coaching? I think he has turned a little soft. He stayed to loyal to Brunnell for personal reasons in my opinion. I saw a picture of him in the paper during the season doing exercises with the team. Cmon, he is trying to be their friends and not enough their coach.

I want the old Coach Gibbs back!and I believe you've seen the older Gibbs in these last couple of games. He got them to back to Redskins football which is smashmouth football. They've done that over the last 5 games. I've heard people in the organization say he realized he gave to much reign to the coaches and now he's reeling them back in.

I criticized him like crazy this season but it doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach. If that's the case, then Cowher is a bad coach a long with a few others.

[Fathead]

We were horrible last year except a 5 game winning streak? I guess all 5 of the other games we won were just a complete fluke?

The skins got overconfident in the offseason, then Portis went down 5 minutes into the preseason, which added to the "let's coast until the games count" mentality. Then an offensive line that has been a top unit at times absolutely sucked, the new offensive guru wouldn't call a downfield pass (because he didn't trust his QB to be able to make the throws), and a defense that had been top 10 for 2 years gets figured out.

It was a cascade that was just too much to overcome. I don't think any coach would have succeeded if put in the same situation. Was quite a bit of it self-inflicted? Yes. But now we need to take the lessons learned and move forward. We have a better chance to win if we keep Coach Gibbs. Most teams in this situation roll over and die. We went out and have played hard the last few weeks, and it's obvious these guys are going to fight for Coach Gibbs. And that is encouraging.

Trying to figure out where we'll be and how hard the schedule will be is ludicrous at this point. Before the season no one had us this bad, no one had tampa as bad as they are. The Saints were not going to get a 1st round bye, the Jets and Packers were not going to have playoff chances going into the last weekend. Trying to surmise anything about our schedule at this point serves no purpose. I think the only thing we can know at this point is that the NFC East will once again be tough.

[hail2skins]

As much as I love and respect Coach Gibbs, I have to agree with BIGSEF3.

Is Coach Gibbs done with coaching? I think he has turned a little soft. He stayed to loyal to Brunnell for personal reasons in my opinion. I saw a picture of him in the paper during the season doing exercises with the team. Cmon, he is trying to be their friends and not enough their coach.

I want the old Coach Gibbs back!be careful. there a lot here who thinks he isn't a Skins fan. Don't believe me, run some searches on the site.

[BIGSEF3]

be careful. there a lot here who thinks he isn't a Skins fan. Don't believe me, run some searches on the site.

Im a skins fan but I'm not a Gibbs fan. I was a kid and not particularly interested in football during the glory days. So my only "first-hand" experience with Gibbs is his 2nd term and I am thoroughly unimpressed. I think getting rid of marty is the worst mistake Snyder has made. (On a side-note, During the Chargers game the other week one of the comentators said he spoke with Marty and asked him what job was he most proud of in his career and he said when he was in Washington.)

[CNYSkinFan]

Im a skins fan but I'm not a Gibbs fan. I was a kid and not particularly interested in football during the glory days. So my only "first-hand" experience with Gibbs is his 2nd term and I am thoroughly unimpressed. I think getting rid of marty is the worst mistake Snyder has made. (On a side-note, During the Chargers game the other week one of the comentators said he spoke with Marty and asked him what job was he most proud of in his career and he said when he was in Washington.)
I was actually thinking about jumpiing in here and defending you until that post.

Marty has done less with more talent in SD then any coach in the NFL. He arguably has two players (LT and Gates) who are the best at their respective position and had another (Brees) who was in the top 5 and still has done nothing in the payoffs. His success is all LT. It makes me wonder how good the chargers would be with another coach like say Sean Peyton therte?

Well I might as well make my point and keep in mind this is in no way defending BigSef or the point that Gibbs is not a good coahc, since I disagreee with both. However if someone wanted to criticize a coahc who has gone 22-27 over three seasons with the highest payroll in the NFL, you can't fault them for doing so. Spence did so, although more eloquently, in an article a few weeks back.

I personally think that Coach Gibbs has to reassert himself and take control of the coaching arena, which he neglected this year poreferring to let assistants do most of the work. Then he will be the coach we all saw at the end of last season again.

[hail2skins]

I was actually thinking about jumpiing in here and defending you until that post.

Well I might as well make my point and keep in mind this is in no way defending BigSef or the point that Gibbs is not a good coahc, since I disagreee with both. However if someone wanted to criticize a coahc who has gone 22-27 over three seasons with the highest payroll in the NFL, you can't fault them for doing so. Spence did so, although more eloquently, in an article a few weeks back.

I personally think that Coach Gibbs has to reassert himself and take control of the coaching arena, which he neglected this year poreferring to let assistants do most of the work. Then he will be the coach we all saw at the end of last season again.That doesn't say that Gibbs can't coach anymore which is what the guy is saying and yes, Gibbs deserved to be criticized this season but it doesn't mean he can't coach anymore.

[Keino]

and I believe you've seen the older Gibbs in these last couple of games. He got them to back to Redskins football which is smashmouth football. They've done that over the last 5 games. I've heard people in the organization say he realized he gave to much reign to the coaches and now he's reeling them back in.

I criticized him like crazy this season but it doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach. If that's the case, then Cowher is a bad coach a long with a few others.


This is exactly the point. Nobody is saying Gibbs is above criticism. Hell, watch a game with me and I frequently curse at Gibbs. But to say he is not a good coach while glossing over the fact we were in the playoffs last year and damn close to making a run at the Superbowl is just plain idiotic from where I sit. Nevermind the HOF bust, the 3 rings etc etc etc. I am thankful every day that Gibbs put his legacy on the line to come back to try and get this franchise back to glory and I would chop off the Testes of anyone claimng to be a Redskins fan that vocalized they didn't feel the same way. (okay, maybe that's a bit extreme but you get the point)

[CNYSkinFan]

That doesn't say that Gibbs can't coach anymore which is what the guy is saying and yes, Gibbs deserved to be criticized this season but it doesn't mean he can't coach anymore.
I agree one hundred percent. Gibbs has forgotten more about coaching then every other coach in the Nfl knows....and way more then us. Just playing devil's advocate....but I already feel dirty about it.

[StogieHog]

So if anything, he made a mistake IMO by changing the offense, but that doens't make him a badd coach. Things just didn't go our way this year.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't think he is a bad coach. I just think his style is not what is used to be.

I agree with HAIL2SKINS, I think the last several games Coach Gibbs has returned to "HIS" style of coaching. I just hope it carries over to next season.

I admire Coach Gibbs as much or more than anyone. I just miss his old school ways of coaching. Maybe he realized that as well and we will see big changes next September.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Im a skins fan but I'm not a Gibbs fan. I was a kid and not particularly interested in football during the glory days. So my only "first-hand" experience with Gibbs is his 2nd term and I am thoroughly unimpressed. I think getting rid of marty is the worst mistake Snyder has made. (On a side-note, During the Chargers game the other week one of the comentators said he spoke with Marty and asked him what job was he most proud of in his career and he said when he was in Washington.)
This is, quite simply, not possible. Even if you were born in 1992 and went on to become a Redskins fan, you can't not be a fan of Gibbs. He is responsible for every Super Bowl the Redskins have ever been to/have won. You can't be a fan of a team and not be a fan of the man responsible for everything that team has ever won.

[StogieHog]

This is, quite simply, not possible. Even if you were born in 1992 and went on to become a Redskins fan, you can't not be a fan of Gibbs. He is responsible for every Super Bowl the Redskins have ever been to/have won. You can't be a fan of a team and not be a fan of the man responsible for everything that team has ever won.

Yep Yep!! What he said. I agree.

[BandwagonMark]

Schedule schmedule!

I just cant wait for Keino's Castration Party in Tampa!

I'll bring enough melon ball shooters for 45!

and a couple of urinal cakes!

woooo hoooooooo

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This is, quite simply, not possible. Even if you were born in 1992 and went on to become a Redskins fan, you can't not be a fan of Gibbs. He is responsible for every Super Bowl the Redskins have ever been to/have won. You can't be a fan of a team and not be a fan of the man responsible for everything that team has ever won.
1972 notwithstanding.:)

But your point is well taken. Saying you're a fan of Skins but not of Gibbs is like saying you like Penn State, but not Joe Pa. It makes no sense.

[CNYSkinFan]

1972 notwithstanding.:)

But your point is well taken. Saying you're a fan of Skins but not of Gibbs is like saying you like Penn State, but not Joe Pa. It makes no sense.
Or a fan of the Celtics but you just hate that Larry Bird guy (or Red Auerbach)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

1972 notwithstanding.:)

But your point is well taken. Saying you're a fan of Skins but not of Gibbs is like saying you like Penn State, but not Joe Pa. It makes no sense.
You're right..I forgot about that one. But 4 out of 5 isn't too shabby. ;)

[Keino]

Schedule schmedule!

I just cant wait for Keino's Castration Party in Tampa!

I'll bring enough melon ball shooters for 45!

and a couple of urinal cakes!

woooo hoooooooo


This post made me laugh out loud. Urinal Cakes? Good Lord.

[BIGSEF3]

This is, quite simply, not possible. Even if you were born in 1992 and went on to become a Redskins fan, you can't not be a fan of Gibbs. He is responsible for every Super Bowl the Redskins have ever been to/have won. You can't be a fan of a team and not be a fan of the man responsible for everything that team has ever won.

You are missing my point. I appreciate everything Gibbs has done. But I am a skins fan, first and foremost. Head Coaches come and go, players come and go, and no matter how good a coach or player is/was, they dont come before the team, no matter who they are.

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return, and in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way. And remember all the penalties, clock management and playcalling problems we had last year? Or did winning a "measly" 10 games make everyone forget that? Presently, last year looks to be a fluke. There are teams that CONSISTENTLY make the playoffs or, (if youre in the AFC where nearly everyone is good) have winning records nearly every single year.

I shouldnt say Gibbs is a BAD coach, but he certainly is not GOOD. The record speaks for itself and MEDIOCRE is probably the best word. If Gibbs were a young, inexperienced head coach, that might be acceptable. But he's not. His bust is in Canton for a reason. He used to be a GREAT coach. The fact that a team with so much talent is THIS bad and we have made so many bad personnel moves in the past few years tells me that Gibbs just doesnt have it this more. After being away from the NFL for a decade, I can understand needing time to adjust. I could understand him being "not-quite" as good as he used to be. But by now, this team should be better than it is. Gibbs does not seem to have "it" anymore. Its like if Picaso retired for 10 years and came back but could only do fingerpaintings. Thats what Gibbs has done. Like it or not, agree with it or not, thats what i beleive.

[Keino]

You are missing my point. I appreciate everything Gibbs has done. But I am a skins fan, first and foremost. Head Coaches come and go, players come and go, and no matter how good a coach or player is/was, they dont come before the team, no matter who they are.

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return, and in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way. And remember all the penalties, clock management and playcalling problems we had last year? Or did winning a "measly" 10 games make everyone forget that? Presently, last year looks to be a fluke. There are teams that CONSISTENTLY make the playoffs or, (if youre in the AFC where nearly everyone is good) have winning records nearly every single year.

I shouldnt say Gibbs is a BAD coach, but he certainly is not GOOD. The record speaks for itself and MEDIOCRE is probably the best word. If Gibbs were a young, inexperienced head coach, that might be acceptable. But he's not. His bust is in Canton for a reason. He used to be a GREAT coach. The fact that a team with so much talent is THIS bad and we have made so many bad personnel moves in the past few years tells me that Gibbs just doesnt have it this more. After being away from the NFL for a decade, I can understand needing time to adjust. I could understand him being "not-quite" as good as he used to be. But by now, this team should be better than it is. Gibbs does not seem to have "it" anymore. Thats my point. Like it or not, agree with it or not, thats what i beleive.

So Pittsburgh winning the Superbowl was a fluke, because this year they are now 7-8 and guaranteed a Mediocre record.

One year has nothing to do with the next, esepcially in the Parity filled NFL. Our team is not supremely talented on the side of the ball that is most responsible for this team being where it is. Gibbs made the mistake of entrusting the coach on defense since it was his defense that carried teh team the 2 prior years.

There are only a handful of teams that win consistantly every year, and to my recollection these teams had some pretty lean years of not winning. What Gibbs took over in 2004 was a dysfunctional franchise that hadn't won anything and had no direction. He immediately brought direction and ridded the lockerroom of Malcontents and Money stealers. I'll take 1 out of 3, especially when you consider that it is twice as good as 1 out of 6 or 0 out of 6 before that.

If you are going to say that a bunch of wins could've gone either way, then you also have to acknowledge that a bunch of losses could've gone either way as well. He is a much better coach than you are giving him credit for, and if you truly appreciated what he has done for this franchise you would have more respect.


This franchise truly deserves better fans than what you have shown yourself to be.

[hockeygoalie29]

Two things from your last post I have to comment on:

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return,

One playoff trip out of every 3 years is a better ratio than any head coach for the Redskins since....Gibbs 1.0

Norv went once in 7 years while Shotty and Mr. Shucks didn't go at all in the 3 combined years they coached here. I'll take one for three and be glad I got the one because I doubt any other coach could have won 11 games his second year with the team that Gibbs inherited in '04.

And in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way.

That describes every single team in the NFL. Any given team will have 5 or 6 weeks where they were either big winners or big losers and the rest will be really close. The difference between a 6-10 team and a 10-6 team really isn't much more than a few breaks in either direction.

Don't believe me? Look at the consensus best and worst teams in the NFL, the Chargers and Raiders. San Diego won or lost 8 games by a touchdown (8 points) or less, 4 of which were decided by a measly field goal. On the other end of the spectrum, Oakland had 5 games decided by 7 points or less. So, by your logic, the Chargers "aren't really a good team" because in reality they could have lost most of those close games and be out of the playoff race.

[hockeygoalie29]

Man Keino, great minds think a like I guess...

[hockeygoalie29]

Well, our 2007 opponents looks like this so far:


Home
Dallas, 9-6
Philadelphia, 9-6
New York, 7-8
Chicago, 13-2
Detroit, 2-13
Buffalo, 7-8
Miami, 6-9
A team from NFC West
Away
Dallas, 9-6
Philadelphia, 9-6
New York, 7-8
Green Bay, 7-8
Minnesota, 6-9
New England, 11-4
NY Jets, 9-6
A team from NFC South

Well, the NFC South team is guaranteed to be Tampa since both of us are assured a last place finish in our respective divisions. And unless Arizona somehow beats Dallas while San Fran loses to Denver we will be playing the Cardinals from the NFC West.

[hockeygoalie29]

Here's a post I made about the schedule back in November...everything pretty much remains the same except the combined record of the teams we play, outside of the NFC East, is now 70-80 (46.6%).

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We have a much easier schedule next season than we did this year. Outside of the NFC East, next season's opponents currently boast a combined record of 44-56 (44%).

Home
Detroit - All talk and no bite
Buffalo - Will it be Lossman at QB, or a rookie?
Miami - Let's hope we play them in the first half of the season when they suck!
Chicago - I still think they are overated. Great defense, but Grossman is their weak link.
Arizona* - It will be fun to watch Leinart but if they don't get an O-line transplant this offseason they are going nowhere
Eagles/Cowboys/Giants - Same old NFC East, but will McNabb recover from his knee injury?

Away
Jets - Redskins vs. Ramsey?
Packers - Who knows with this team. Favre could retire or play 10 more years.
Vikings - No way Brad Johnson is their QB next year...but who's his replacement?
Patriots - a road game in New England, possibly the toughest game on the schedule.
Bucs* - the rivalry continutes as we play the Bucs for the 6th time in 5 years and the 4th in a row in Tampa.
Eagels/Cowboys/Giants

*assumming both the Skins and Cardinals/Bucs finish last in their divisions. A good bet since all 3 are 2 games behind the 3rd place team with 6 games to go.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

we're going to have to play at tampa AGAIN!!! ugh....im sick of playing them.

:banghead: this thread makes my head hurt!

[BandwagonMark]

You are missing my point. I appreciate everything Gibbs has done. But I am a skins fan, first and foremost. Head Coaches come and go, players come and go, and no matter how good a coach or player is/was, they dont come before the team, no matter who they are.

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return, and in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way. And remember all the penalties, clock management and playcalling problems we had last year? Or did winning a "measly" 10 games make everyone forget that? Presently, last year looks to be a fluke. There are teams that CONSISTENTLY make the playoffs or, (if youre in the AFC where nearly everyone is good) have winning records nearly every single year.

I shouldnt say Gibbs is a BAD coach, but he certainly is not GOOD. The record speaks for itself and MEDIOCRE is probably the best word. If Gibbs were a young, inexperienced head coach, that might be acceptable. But he's not. His bust is in Canton for a reason. He used to be a GREAT coach. The fact that a team with so much talent is THIS bad and we have made so many bad personnel moves in the past few years tells me that Gibbs just doesnt have it this more. After being away from the NFL for a decade, I can understand needing time to adjust. I could understand him being "not-quite" as good as he used to be. But by now, this team should be better than it is. Gibbs does not seem to have "it" anymore. Its like if Picaso retired for 10 years and came back but could only do fingerpaintings. Thats what Gibbs has done. Like it or not, agree with it or not, thats what i beleive.

who was available 3 years ago that has also done a better job over the last 3 seasons in the NFL?

[StogieHog]

be careful. there a lot here who thinks he isn't a Skins fan. Don't believe me, run some searches on the site.

I have to agree with you. NO true Skins fan would make the comments he is making. IMO he is just trying to stir the pot.

[skinfan43]

we're going to have to play at tampa AGAIN!!! ugh....im sick of playing them.

:banghead: this thread makes my head hurt!
I would be too...except that it's turned out to be a pretty good rivalry over the last 6 years or so...too bad they're not allowed to come into OUR house. Just happy Sean doesn't have to fly in one more time during the season, he pretty much DESERVES this game for his loyalty:)

[skinsfan36]

i like the looks of this one playing the afc east,the cards,bucs,and nfc north

[hail2skins]

You are missing my point. I appreciate everything Gibbs has done. But I am a skins fan, first and foremost. Head Coaches come and go, players come and go, and no matter how good a coach or player is/was, they dont come before the team, no matter who they are.

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return, and in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way. And remember all the penalties, clock management and playcalling problems we had last year? Or did winning a "measly" 10 games make everyone forget that? Presently, last year looks to be a fluke. There are teams that CONSISTENTLY make the playoffs or, (if youre in the AFC where nearly everyone is good) have winning records nearly every single year.

I shouldnt say Gibbs is a BAD coach, but he certainly is not GOOD. The record speaks for itself and MEDIOCRE is probably the best word. If Gibbs were a young, inexperienced head coach, that might be acceptable. But he's not. His bust is in Canton for a reason. He used to be a GREAT coach. The fact that a team with so much talent is THIS bad and we have made so many bad personnel moves in the past few years tells me that Gibbs just doesnt have it this more. After being away from the NFL for a decade, I can understand needing time to adjust. I could understand him being "not-quite" as good as he used to be. But by now, this team should be better than it is. Gibbs does not seem to have "it" anymore. Its like if Picaso retired for 10 years and came back but could only do fingerpaintings. Thats what Gibbs has done. Like it or not, agree with it or not, thats what i beleive.The object of the game is to win it. It doesn't matter if it's by 1 point or by 20. A win is a win. The object isn't to win by 40 or 50 points. The object is to score more than your opponent.

Also, compare his bad moves to his good moves and then get back to me. Don't use anything that COULD have been done. Only use what has been done.

[Keino]

The object of the game is to win it. It doesn't matter if it's by 1 point or by 20. A win is a win. The object isn't to win by 40 or 50 points. The object is to score more than your opponent.

Also, compare his bad moves to his good moves and then get back to me. Don't use anything that COULD have been done. Only use what has been done.

Winning 10 games while playing the 2nd toughest schedule in the league is impressive to me. Beat 3 Division Champs and played all 4 (NFC) during the regular season (Got robbed against the 3rd). Factor in the team had to win 5straight games which included 3 divisional games, how can anyone doubt the man who led the team? This thread went from fun to utterly ridiculous with one Bigsef post.

[akhhorus]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.
Thank you. And we also have no clue as to how good we will be. If Brady breaks his arm in week 1 and is done for the season, the NE game looks quite a bit easier all of a sudden doesn't it (for example)?

[Keino]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.

Yep. I made this point earlier, but it cannot be stated enough. Same with Chicago the year before. All the experts were punching Carolina's ticket to the Superbowl in August, yet in December they are home for the playoffs.

The schedule means nothing until they start playing the games. All but 2 games are predeterimined and how they are stacked together is what determines how tough the schedule is.

[chrisbcbu]

16-0 or we dont go!!

[gibbs4pres]

Im a skins fan but I'm not a Gibbs fan. I was a kid and not particularly interested in football during the glory days. So my only "first-hand" experience with Gibbs is his 2nd term and I am thoroughly unimpressed. I think getting rid of marty is the worst mistake Snyder has made. (On a side-note, During the Chargers game the other week one of the comentators said he spoke with Marty and asked him what job was he most proud of in his career and he said when he was in Washington.)

I think the best thing that you can do is go back and watch the glory years on DVD. If you are a Skins fan then you won't be disappointed. When you have a more intelegent argument then maybe I'll read another post. Then again since I don't have time to waste on you I probably just will pass you by. If you don't no Joe you don't know Redskins Football!

[RicFlairOne]

Also remember that all of our opponents are looking to see when they play the Skins so that they can circle a W by that week. Sad, but true !!

[FanFromArizona]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.

For instance, Arizona could go out and get an Oline and beat us at home......

oops, this is Arizona I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

[BurgundyNGold]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.
Good point about the Saints. I was thinking about trying to organize a road trip to New Orleans when I saw it on the schedule. I'm sad I didn't go now.

[FanFromArizona]

Before we go judging this game is tough or that game is easy, I would like to point out that we have ZERO clue whats going to happen this offseason and how tough these teams will be when we play them. Please look at the New Orleans Saints, and how many teams counted that as an easy win at this point last season when checking out which teams they would play.


All you need to do is go back to September timeframe when all the hR pundits here were proclaiming what record we would have and whom we would beat. I believe we had a thread on it where most posters here predicted something between 11 and 14 victories.

And just imagine, we would have won the division this year with just 10 victories. Even more so, an 8-8 team is going to make the playoffs as a wildcard this year.

[hail2skins]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24075

[bantu]

I think the best thing that you can do is go back and watch the glory years on DVD. If you are a Skins fan then you won't be disappointed. When you have a more intelegent argument then maybe I'll read another post. Then again since I don't have time to waste on you I probably just will pass you by. If you don't no Joe you don't know Redskins Football!


Yes, because watching old highlights will erase the pain of almost 15 years of horrible football. I love Joe Gibbs, but even he is expendable at this point. He has had two horrific seasons with one pretty good one in between. I'm not drinking the kool-aid anymore. His reputation has bought him a lot slack from me the past few years, but no more. This team better show some results or..... oh wait, thats right.... my dumb-ass will cheer for them anyway. I friggin hate this team.

[Farmer Ted]

All you need to do is go back to September timeframe when all the hR pundits here were proclaiming what record we would have and whom we would beat. I believe we had a thread on it where most posters here predicted something between 11 and 14 victories.


I thought we'd win 14.

[28thegreat]

You are missing my point. I appreciate everything Gibbs has done. But I am a skins fan, first and foremost. Head Coaches come and go, players come and go, and no matter how good a coach or player is/was, they dont come before the team, no matter who they are.

Gibbs has taken this team to the playoffs in 1 out of 3 years since his return, and in that one year we had 10 games (wins and losses) that really could have gone either way. And remember all the penalties, clock management and playcalling problems we had last year? Or did winning a "measly" 10 games make everyone forget that? Presently, last year looks to be a fluke. There are teams that CONSISTENTLY make the playoffs or, (if youre in the AFC where nearly everyone is good) have winning records nearly every single year.

I shouldnt say Gibbs is a BAD coach, but he certainly is not GOOD. The record speaks for itself and MEDIOCRE is probably the best word. If Gibbs were a young, inexperienced head coach, that might be acceptable. But he's not. His bust is in Canton for a reason. He used to be a GREAT coach. The fact that a team with so much talent is THIS bad and we have made so many bad personnel moves in the past few years tells me that Gibbs just doesnt have it this more. After being away from the NFL for a decade, I can understand needing time to adjust. I could understand him being "not-quite" as good as he used to be. But by now, this team should be better than it is. Gibbs does not seem to have "it" anymore. Its like if Picaso retired for 10 years and came back but could only do fingerpaintings. Thats what Gibbs has done. Like it or not, agree with it or not, thats what i beleive.

And that same ten and six record would have won us the division this year. Give me a break. Doom and gloom.

The real issue this year is parity. The league is rampant with it. Look again at next years opponents...how many of them are at 9-7 and 8-8? And you say that we have a tough schedule? Most years we'd salivate over a schedule filled with 9-7 and 8-8 opponents. But because so many people were there this year, suddenly our schedule next year is TOUGH? I don't get it.

And the part about Picasso is hilarious. If Picasso took ten years off and then came back and painted fingerpaintings....they'd still sell for millions precisely because they are "Picassos." You too quickly blame Gibbs for the meanderings of this team. It's just too easy and short-sighted to lay all of this at the feet of Joe Gibbs. And he deserves our support and patience precisely because he is Joe Gibbs..and even his worst "fingerpaintings" are still in the hands of a master. Check out the glory years and you will find many of the struggles now were struggles then...but when he got it right, it was a masterpiece! I'm betting Gibbs has a masterpiece or two left in him.

[28thegreat]

I think the best thing that you can do is go back and watch the glory years on DVD. If you are a Skins fan then you won't be disappointed. When you have a more intelegent argument then maybe I'll read another post. Then again since I don't have time to waste on you I probably just will pass you by. If you don't no Joe you don't know Redskins Football!
Just remember as you watch, that those videos are highlight reels. They usually only show the good stuff. There were some tough times back then too. Maybe not as drastic, but certainly tough. Those don't make the best of reels.

[28thegreat]

who was available 3 years ago that has also done a better job over the last 3 seasons in the NFL?
This is a GREAT point. I remember the days right before the announcement about Gibbs coming back and we were speculating who we'd rather have...Dennis Green was one of the most mentioned.

[hail2skins]

Here it is

[HAWGZHEAD]

Here is isWhat is is?

[skins74]

That looks like a really tough schedule.

[ryflan47]

That looks like a really tough schedule.

I can't see us losing any of the games on that schedule.