Review Poll Series 4: Most disappointing returning Vet

[PennSkinsFan]

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[FanFromArizona]

I went with Carlos this year, and that is based on the play factor.

He definitely regressed in all facets of his play. He had no injuries and could not cover worth a lick. His confidence was shaken and he has the talent to play at a much higher level. It's amazing that he was drafted to be a potential #1 CB and he performed at #3 levels.

Sean Taylor also has the same potential, but the area he was responsible for is much bigger than Rogers'. He had no assistance in the backfield and the coaches tried to have him do too much.

I can't say I was disappointed by Phillip Daniels because I never expected him to perform at a high level anyways.

Springs and Marshall were hampered by injuries and it certainly reflected.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Rogers without a doubt. Especially because he had a chance to make a lot of plays this year, yet made almost none, and because he is a high first rounder (which Marshall for example was not).

[akhhorus]

Marshall, not close. He played very well last year, then totally regressed. Rogers didn't play well, but he didn't play as much in 05 and did have some good games this year. I don't think we can say Marshall even had good games in 06.

[whitskins]

Marshall. Carlos had a rough season, but he wasn't horrible and I think he got better as the year went on. If he could have hung on to a few more INTs then people would be a lot more forgiving.

Marshall's middle name was "pwn3d" all season long. He was painful to watch this year.

[rusty73]

I had to go with ST. From being a fierce menace in the secondary last year, this year he was more like Dennis the Menace. For every great hit he put on somebody the next play he was getting burnt deep BAD. I think he really missed having Clark back there as a steadying influence. Don't get me wrong, I think Sean is a hell of hitter but, I can't remember what team it was against, but the play just sticks in my mind where the R/RB was coming at Taylor in the open field and instead of sticking the guy, he just kind of froze and took a step backwards and the guy goes in to score. Terrible.:cry:

[LATrueRedskin]

Marshall for me. He played really well last year and made the right calls on defense. I didn't hear his name on the field the entire season. That was a huge let-down for me.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Voted Marshall. Rogers didn't really have that far to fall so it wasn't as big of a disappointment to me. Taylor I believe let the win loss record get to him mentally a little there towards the end and it seemed like he lost focus. I expect him to miss some tackles when at safety he is making 300 a game.

[greatest2]

Marshall. Carlos had a rough season, but he wasn't horrible and I think he got better as the year went on. If he could have hung on to a few more INTs then people would be a lot more forgiving.

Marshall's middle name was "pwn3d" all season long. He was painful to watch this year.


i voted carlos, we expected him to better this year then last year, and he wasn't. honestly, i expected lemar to be as good or slightly worse cause of age and size (but not as hbad as he was). i bolded what you said, because that is a "IF." the fact is he didn't and thats horriable and probably cost us a couple games (turnovers change momentum and give us more oppurtunities).

i gotta go carlos, regressed and he is young after we expected alot from him. drop easy int's. few bright spots in some games, but i think i saw that with marshall at times. Anywa jus my opinion

[greatest2]

Voted Marshall. Rogers didn't really have that far to fall so it wasn't as big of a disappointment to me. Taylor I believe let the win loss record get to him mentally a little there towards the end and it seemed like he lost focus. I expect him to miss some tackles when at safety he is making 300 a game.


i agree, when your saftey leads you in tackles, or has over a 100 (taylor had i think 129) then he is to envolved in the box, and thats because he getting out of position to help out others and therefor causes problem in the deep secondary. not to mention he is trying so hard.

i feel bad for taylor cause he just is getting pulled in to many ways. let the kid play off his instincts, thats what makes the great ones great. If the front 7 would just do an average job, maybe taylor wouldn't feel the need to do everything. stop messin with his head, cause you are screwin up a budding superstar for us and it would be one of the biggest bust if we can't turn him into a pro-bowler, and i would put it on the shoulders of the defensive coachs

[whitskins]

i voted carlos, we expected him to better this year then last year, and he wasn't. honestly, i expected lemar to be as good or slightly worse cause of age and size (but not as hbad as he was). i bolded what you said, because that is a "IF." the fact is he didn't and thats horriable and probably cost us a couple games (turnovers change momentum and give us more oppurtunities).

i gotta go carlos, regressed and he is young after we expected alot from him. drop easy int's. few bright spots in some games, but i think i saw that with marshall at times. Anywa jus my opinion

My point was that Carlos is bashed because he can't hold on to a handful of INTs, while Marshall just plain sucked horribly for 16 games. I think Marshall's contribution (or lack thereof) is worse, much worse in fact. Yes, turnovers change momentum and give us more opportunities, but so does stopping teams on third downs and getting them off the field, which is something that Marshall was never able to do because he was being destroyed and blown into the secondary on nearly every play.

Maybe Carlos cost us a few games because of his drops, but I think we would have won more than a few more with a capable MLB in the game. Lemar Marshall was a complete liability all season long, Carlos wasn't.

[PennSkinsFan]

Has to be Rogers because he is the 9th overall pick, had a good rookie year and the size of regression in 2006 is troublesome, considering the investment in him. Marshall is a close second, but since many of us were suspect with him at MLB anyway, it is not as disappointing as Roigers regression. His regression causes problems for 2007.

[Axegrinder]

Carlos Rogers.
We ran 50/50 out of town for less.
I don't expect him to have the same type of year in "07".This past season had to be a fluke.
Marshall is on the shortlist of "07" though.

[RedskinRyan]

I went with Carlos this year, and that is based on the play factor.

He definitely regressed in all facets of his play. He had no injuries and could not cover worth a lick. His confidence was shaken and he has the talent to play at a much higher level. It's amazing that he was drafted to be a potential #1 CB and he performed at #3 levels.


you said it for me. has to be with rogers. although congrats to him, he did finally pick off drew brees.

[shally]

hard to choose to some degree. rogers really fell off without the excuse of being injured.. taylor did as well, although he lead the team in tackles.
marshall was terrible, but was it lingering injuries ?
daniels was poor.. so was washington.
you could add patten to that list even with his hammies.

in the end i voted rogers for his numerous drops and general poor play but i would not quarrell with anyone who felt strongly about any of them

[Ibleedburgundy]

Philip Daniels was a non-factor. Not only did he play every game and get only 3 sacks, most of the time he didn't even get near the passer. He can't run anyone down, he can't bull anyone over. How is he better than Demetric Evans?

[Meatsnack]

Springs. He barely played at all after leaving his surgery to the last minute. When he returned he played poorly for several games. Rogers gets a pass from me becaise of the poor coaching and his youth. Lemar should have played better but had a bad wheel and was sort of a project anyway. Washington would be my 2nd place guy. He played far below his usual standard, though he too was dinged for much of the year.

[silverspring]

Rogers. This was suppose to be his break through year. Putting aside all the dropped INTs, he seemed to regress or maybe just show his true colors in coverage. The consistent theme this year was rogers gives his man 5+ yards so he can avoid getting burnt on the deep play. And while giving up all these shorter routes he still got burnt on deep plays. When springs got injured we needed rogers to step up.

And I don't understand why springs is on this list. When he was in he played well. If you are going to include injured players that let us down then you better put CP on the list.

[whitskins]

For those who are picking Rogers due to his draft pedigree and the thought that this was supposed to be a breakout year, I wonder why Sean Taylor is getting a pass.

Taylor has more NFL experience and was supposed to break through this year much more than Rogers. A Pro Bowl was basically an assumption for Taylor. And I saw him get toasted just as much if not more than Rogers. They also both finished with only one INT.

I'm more disappointed with Taylor's play than I am Rogers'. Carlos is still an inexperienced player who was thrust into the #1 CB role with only 5 career starts. I expected some tough times in his second year, like many young CBs have faced. I thought he actually started to play pretty well down the stretch. I never figured out Taylor though, I hope it's something that the coaches can fix because he wasn't much of a factor all season.

[silverspring]

For those who are picking Rogers due to his draft pedigree and the thought that this was supposed to be a breakout year, I wonder why Sean Taylor is getting a pass.

Taylor has more NFL experience and was supposed to break through this year much more than Rogers. A Pro Bowl was basically an assumption for Taylor. And I saw him get toasted just as much if not more than Rogers. They also both finished with only one INT.

I'm more disappointed with Taylor's play than I am Rogers'. Carlos is still an inexperienced player who was thrust into the #1 CB role with only 5 career starts. I expected some tough times in his second year, like many young CBs have faced. I thought he actually started to play pretty well down the stretch. I never figured out Taylor though, I hope it's something that the coaches can fix because he wasn't much of a factor all season.

Rogers didn't look any better when he was playing as the #2 guy.

I think taylor had a pretty stale year, but i wouldn't say he regressed. He has always gotten burned or missed the assignment on deep plays. I would give rogers more guff because taylor's issues seemed more of a positioning problem a learning the scheme thing and our whole defense seemed to be out of wack this year. But rogers issues were more fundamental, he simply couldn't keep up with faster receivers and his poor man coverage skills were totally exposed. He played scared by giving his man a huge gap.

[whitskins]

Rogers didn't look any better when he was playing as the #2 guy.

I think taylor had a pretty stale year, but i wouldn't say he regressed. He has always gotten burned or missed the assignment on deep plays. I would give rogers more guff because taylor's issues seemed more of a positioning problem a learning the scheme thing and our whole defense seemed to be out of wack this year. But rogers issues were more fundamental, he simply couldn't keep up with faster receivers and his poor man coverage skills were totally exposed. He played scared by giving his man a huge gap.

The gap in coverage has long been known as a coaching issue, our CBs have given such a gap for years. I guess some of Taylor's problems could have been positioning/coaching, but it's impossible to tell when exactly and to what degree. But he also had plays like Donte Stallworth's 85 yard bomb where he was plain and simple torched. And if Taylor's problems are because he still does not know the scheme, then that is definitely more disappointing than Rogers' issues. In fact, it is inexcusable.

Rogers got burned at times too, but I think after the first half of the season he got a lot better. He had great games against Carolina and New Orleans just off the top of my head. I don't think he got much slack from the fans though because he kept dropping those INTs. If he can find a way to hold on to some more of those next season then he'll be a real force. I at least think it's encouraging that he is in position to pick off so many balls.

And if the poll is based on pure regression of skills then I don't see how it can be anyone besides Lemar Marshall. Marshall was a guy who in 05 we were saying was more productive than Pierce, who was deserving of Pro Bowl consideration. He made big plays for us, now he makes no plays whatsoever. He looks done. I really hope we have an answer to replace him as a starter.

[silverspring]

The gap in coverage has long been known as a coaching issue, our CBs have given such a gap for years. I guess some of Taylor's problems could have been positioning/coaching, but it's impossible to tell when exactly and to what degree. But he also had plays like Donte Stallworth's 85 yard bomb where he was plain and simple torched. And if Taylor's problems are because he still does not know the scheme, then that is definitely more disappointing than Rogers' issues. In fact, it is inexcusable.

Rogers got burned at times too, but I think after the first half of the season he got a lot better. He had great games against Carolina and New Orleans just off the top of my head. I don't think he got much slack from the fans though because he kept dropping those INTs. If he can find a way to hold on to some more of those next season then he'll be a real force. I at least think it's encouraging that he is in position to pick off so many balls.

And if the poll is based on pure regression of skills then I don't see how it can be anyone besides Lemar Marshall. Marshall was a guy who in 05 we were saying was more productive than Pierce, who was deserving of Pro Bowl consideration. He made big plays for us, now he makes no plays whatsoever. He looks done. I really hope we have an answer to replace him as a starter.

i do agree that marshall was pretty weak this year. I am giving him a free pass this year because o fhis injury and because all of the linebackers seemed to regress this year.

I think that while everyone brags on taylor's football instincts he just simply might not be smart enough to keep up with assignments in williams schemes.

Rogers gave up so much this year though. SHort plays, longs plays whatever. I think we all learned that Rogers is just not a cover corner and doesn't have the speed even if he did have the tequnique. These things concern me more than taylor because you can't coach speed. I wouldn't be suprised if rogers eventually becomes a nickel corner.

You know a couple guys that aren't on this list that deserve some votes are marcus washington and cornelius griffin. Washington was a consistent force the last couple years. A lot of us label him as the face of the defense. Other than all the dance moves i learned from him this year he played poor. While Griffin didn't play horrible he wasn't the impact line anchor that he has been.

isn't it just scary that we have this many options to choose from?

[garedskin]

Easy.
Carlos Rogers.
Like the man said "ONLY IF HAD CAUGHT" all those balls he would have about 10+ picks this past season.:banghead:
Hopefully he works on that problem this off season.:Peace:

[Syllable]

I went with Carlos this year, and that is based on the play factor.

He definitely regressed in all facets of his play. He had no injuries and could not cover worth a lick. His confidence was shaken and he has the talent to play at a much higher level. It's amazing that he was drafted to be a potential #1 CB and he performed at #3 levels.

Sean Taylor also has the same potential, but the area he was responsible for is much bigger than Rogers'. He had no assistance in the backfield and the coaches tried to have him do too much.

I can't say I was disappointed by Phillip Daniels because I never expected him to perform at a high level anyways.

Springs and Marshall were hampered by injuries and it certainly reflected.
Why is Carlos under this as a Vet? He barely got playing time the first season and this is is first starting season. Not to point out 'ifs and buts', but he did have plenty of drops and that would have changed alot of opinions. That still doesnt cover up for his horrible coverage in the first half of the season.

Marshall never had anything serious on him to stop him from playing anymore than Rogers did. With our MLB playing soft it changed the whole mood of our defense.

[Syllable]

For those who are picking Rogers due to his draft pedigree and the thought that this was supposed to be a breakout year, I wonder why Sean Taylor is getting a pass.

Taylor has more NFL experience and was supposed to break through this year much more than Rogers. A Pro Bowl was basically an assumption for Taylor. And I saw him get toasted just as much if not more than Rogers. They also both finished with only one INT.

I'm more disappointed with Taylor's play than I am Rogers'. Carlos is still an inexperienced player who was thrust into the #1 CB role with only 5 career starts. I expected some tough times in his second year, like many young CBs have faced. I thought he actually started to play pretty well down the stretch. I never figured out Taylor though, I hope it's something that the coaches can fix because he wasn't much of a factor all season.
You can say the same thing about Taylor though, Every one has Excuses for them. Taylor was left out to dry by himself on most deep balls and didn't get help with Pressure or run stopping at the line. He also quietly led the team with tacks which pretty much sums up what kind of year it was for our defense.

[Dolla Bill]

Marshall because Rogers at least had attempts to make something happen. Marshall was trailing everyone or getting trucked over. At times I thought the ref was a better MLB than Marshall.

[chrisbcbu]

I didnt even think this was close. It had to be Marshall. Rogers was at least in position to get INTs and generally was a solid tackler. Marshall was non-existant in almost every game. Wasnt tackling well/couldnt shed blockers/let WR block him. it was a downright disgrace watching Marshall.

About Taylor i cant really blame him. our front 7 sucked. So he had to compensate and go into the box more. so ya he got fooled on some playaction passes. If Marshall had done his job then Taylor would be able to play like he should.

[guinness4health]

rogers definitely struggled this year....but he is a second year player so it is not a total surprise.....

Marshall's regression on the other hand was much more unexpected.... he was constantly out of position he was pathetic in coverage (which was suppose to be his strong suit).....

at this point I have to ask whether or not he can be a situational player let alone the leader or our defense

[The_Sonny_Of_Sammy]

http://image2.frappr.com/pics4/i/20051217/1/d/b/1db26a9037253ae3ef8940d37dd99ae00_mid.jpg
Carlos Rogers Trading Card

[skinsfan36]

i went with marshall who should find his way on the bench next year. springs and daniels may not be returning. rogers and taylor will be fine next year.

[PennSkinsFan]

i went with marshall who should find his way on the bench next year. springs and daniels may not be returning. rogers and taylor will be fine next year.
True. I think some tough decisions need to be made this year and one of them is Springs. Springs problems are two fold: he is aging and he can not stay healthy.

[redskin_rich]

All of the above and truthfully, no one on the defense had a good season. I think some players suffered more from the overall weaknesses than because of their own play.
If I had to pick one, it would be Lemar Marshall, simply because if I could only replace one starter, it would be him. Phil Daniels would be next.

[shally]

http://image2.frappr.com/pics4/i/20051217/1/d/b/1db26a9037253ae3ef8940d37dd99ae00_mid.jpg
Carlos Rogers Trading Card

nice.... except, it needs to have a cement middle for all those int's to clang off of...

[shally]

True. I think some tough decisions need to be made this year and one of them is Springs. Springs problems are two fold: he is aging and he can not stay healthy.

you can bet on one thing for certain.. if springs moves on to another team next year, he will have an all pro season and will trash the skins front office

[darkwing99]

None of the above, Holdman was the worst of all of the returning "vets".

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Guys, I think we are answering two different questions in some cases..
If the question was "Who played the worst?" I would say Marshall.
But it's "Who disappointed the most?", so I don't think we can totally disregard Rogers' draft status. Personally, I expected WAY more out of him this year.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I said Carlos Rogers, he really has disappointed me, I use to play corner and he has a lot to learn. He doesn't seem confident and I hate the fact that he is 10-15 yards off the line, and just gives them plays and first downs. Plus I don't think he has the killer attitude that you need when playing out on the wing.

[Keino]

This is a tough question. I was most disappointed in Springs inability to get on the field, but the question asks me not to factor injury. I figure the popular vote will be Rogers or Marshall and I can make an argument for both, but I voted for Sean Taylor. My expectations of Taylor were much higher than his results this year moreso than the other two guys.

[shally]

I said Carlos Rogers, he really has disappointed me, I use to play corner and he has a lot to learn. He doesn't seem confident and I hate the fact that he is 10-15 yards off the line, and just gives them plays and first downs. Plus I don't think he has the killer attitude that you need when playing out on the wing.

how far he plays off the line comes directly from the staff.. but the drops and the failure to make plays is on him for certain

[shally]

This is a tough question. I was most disappointed in Springs inability to get on the field, but the question asks me not to factor injury. I figure the popular vote will be Rogers or Marshall and I can make an argument for both, but I voted for Sean Taylor. My expectations of Taylor were much higher than his results this year moreso than the other two guys.

he really did regress.. and when you see how well reed plays the position, you realize how far he has to go as a player

[ryflan47]

Marshall, at least Rogers showed hope for the future.

[shally]

Marshall, at least Rogers showed hope for the future.

rogers has talent for certain.. i think with a better position coach he could rebound nicely next year.. no way he drops that many int's next year.

they really need to get his eyes checked.. bowe, the lsu receiver had lasic surgery this year and it made a world of difference. maybe that is what carlos needs ???

[ryflan47]

rogers has talent for certain.. i think with a better position coach he could rebound nicely next year.. no way he drops that many int's next year.

they really need to get his eyes checked.. bowe, the lsu receiver had lasic surgery this year and it made a world of difference. maybe that is what carlos needs ???

speaking of lasic surgery, i'm considering geting it done lol

but lasic surgery, and some down time with DGreen and Primetime would do him wonders.

[dogfight6]

Taylor. It turns out he isn't the second comming, just a slightly above average safty.

[smoak]

I vote every single person on the defense equally.... that includes coaching staff and players.

[LuvSkins17]

I had to go with Rodgers. I wasn't pleased with his play at all. At times it seemed like teams were picking on him throughout games. I expect him to step up next season. Overall this entire season was a let down. Im sure moral played a part in the subpar play as a team.

We will be better next year.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Tough... I voted for Carlos, but I would have gladly voted for All of the Above