SURPRISE!!!!! Hillary is in.... [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

skinfanatic

01-20-2007, 12:23 PM

as much as i hate hillary, and i think shed eat her young if it would further her career, maybe she is needed for america. i just threw up a little. anyway, is she necessary to right the ship after bush?

i just died a little inside.

RedskinsDave

01-20-2007, 12:24 PM

It will be fun to watch her and Obama discredit each other.

akhhorus

01-20-2007, 12:28 PM

It will be fun to watch her and Obama discredit each other.

Throw in Edwards and you have the three stooges lmao.

BurgundyNGold

01-20-2007, 12:42 PM

This is expected. I don't like her though and I hope the Dems give me more choices. Merely cramming her and an inexperienced Barack down my throat for the next 18 months isn't an attractive proposition.

Ibleedburgundy

01-21-2007, 09:57 AM

Even with all the hype over the last two years she's trailing Obama and Edwards in the polls. I don't see how she can win. Besides, she voted for the Iraq war and Obama is going to beat her over the head with that if he has to.

Axegrinder

01-21-2007, 10:58 AM

RedskinsDave

01-21-2007, 11:37 AM

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/7599/carpet.gif

Axegrinder

01-21-2007, 12:04 PM

Fair enough Dave,but there wasn't any mention of those crankles.

BurgundyNGold

01-21-2007, 12:43 PM

Why all the hate for Hillary?
Was it her national healthcare stance that was shot down in favor of the pharmacutical companies?Was it her actions in the Watergate trial?Is it because she's a strong woman?Or is it because she's a Democrat?Whitewater?
I don't hate her, I just don't like her. I have a problem with people who go to a juridiction (New York) strictly for political purposes. I think that is a character flaw. She should want to represent HER people. That could be Arkansas or even Illinois. It may be irrational, but that's my biggest issue with her. Politically, she's been much more center in the Senate than I think she really is. But, if she governed from the center like her husband did, I wouldn't have a problem with her as president. At least we know that no guy would give her the favor in the oval office, lol.

No guy, that is. :D

shally

01-21-2007, 01:02 PM

I don't hate her, I just don't like her. I have a problem with people who go to a juridiction (New York) strictly for political purposes. I think that is a character flaw. She should want to represent HER people. That could be Arkansas or even Illinois. It may be irrational, but that's my biggest issue with her. Politically, she's been much more center in the Senate than I think she really is. But, if she governed from the center like her husband did, I wouldn't have a problem with her as president. At least we know that no guy would give her the favor in the oval office, lol.

No guy, that is. :D

new carpet for the oval office ??

redskin_rich

01-21-2007, 11:23 PM

Why all the hate for Hillary?
Was it her national healthcare stance that was shot down in favor of the pharmacutical companies?Was it her actions in the Watergate trial?Is it because she's a strong woman?Or is it because she's a Democrat?Whitewater?
Would you vote for her? Do you feel any connection to her? Do you think she has any soul? Integrity or character?

I don't. She is a power hungry [rhymes with witch]. If she had a shred of integrity, she would have left Bill a long time ago.

Would you really vote for her? And I would like to put this question to all the democrats here.

shally

01-21-2007, 11:57 PM

Would you vote for her? Do you feel any connection to her? Do you think she has any soul? Integrity or character?

I don't. She is a power hungry [rhymes with witch]. If she had a shred of integrity, she would have left Bill a long time ago.

Would you really vote for her? And I would like to put this question to all the democrats here.

i can answer for mrs shally.. who is farther to the left than i am to the right.. she said she would vote for nearly any other republican over her except for jeb bush or sam brownback...
just the thought of the dems nominating hillary sent her into a funk

Spence

01-22-2007, 06:36 AM

Looking forward to 2008, a generic Democratic presidential candidate has a 21-point lead over an unnamed GOP challenger. The race becomes much closer, however, when voters are asked to choose among actual names. The new poll finds statistical dead heats in different scenarios involving John McCain or Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or John Edwards. In a hypothetical match-up, Clinton gets 48 percent while McCain gets 47. A Giuliani-Clinton race finds the same numbers but with the former New York City mayor as the hypothetical victor.Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16720627/site/newsweek/page/2/)

* Edwards 48%, McCain 43%
* Clinton 48%, McCain 47%
* Obama 46%, McCain 44%
* Edwards 48%, Giuliani 45%
* Giuliani 48%, Clinton 47%
* Giuliani 47%, Obama 45%

Edwards looks strong. Clinton remains steady. McCain continues to fall and fall. Obama's numbers are incredible considering his name recognition is so far below the rest of them. And speaking as a Democrat, I love the Giuliani numbers. I don't think he can win the nomination, but the better he does the more fractured the GOP will be. And if he somehow does win the nomination, it guarantees a third party candidate from the far-right representing true GOP views on gays and abortion.

fent

01-22-2007, 07:12 AM

Source (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16720627/site/newsweek/page/2/)

* Edwards 48%, McCain 43%
* Clinton 48%, McCain 47%
* Obama 46%, McCain 44%
* Edwards 48%, Giuliani 45%
* Giuliani 48%, Clinton 47%
* Giuliani 47%, Obama 45%

Edwards looks strong. Clinton remains steady. McCain continues to fall and fall. Obama's numbers are incredible considering his name recognition is so far below the rest of them. And speaking as a Democrat, I love the Giuliani numbers. I don't think he can win the nomination, but the better he does the more fractured the GOP will be. And if he somehow does win the nomination, it guarantees a third party candidate from the far-right representing true GOP views on gays and abortion.

it'll be interesting to watch how these change over the course of the next 20 months. let's not forget how high W's numbers were 6-10 months out in 2000. the poll fairy is a fickle mistress.

lakewinola

01-22-2007, 07:36 AM

Spence

01-22-2007, 08:12 AM

it'll be interesting to watch how these change over the course of the next 20 months. let's not forget how high W's numbers were 6-10 months out in 2000. the poll fairy is a fickle mistress.The poll fairy is also gay, which probably explains why you Republicans hate him so much!

Yeah, look, this is all fun right now, but it doesn't mean much. It's mostly name recognition. Bill Clinton was at about 1% this time in 1991. The Giuliani thing is fascinating, though. I wonder how many of the Republicans supporting him are aware of his views on gay rights, gun control, and abortion. Not to mention his personal life and his appearances in drag on television.

Spence

01-22-2007, 08:14 AM

Name One just One politician who is not Power Hungry.They're all power-hungry. That's why they seek power. You seek power. You power hungry. Anyone who doesn't understand that shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm fine with power-hungry. Doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother most people. I assume they're all obsessed with power. What I care about is what they want to do with that power.

fent

01-22-2007, 08:40 AM

The poll fairy is also gay, which probably explains why you Republicans hate him so much!

Yeah, look, this is all fun right now, but it doesn't mean much. It's mostly name recognition. Bill Clinton was at about 1% this time in 1991. The Giuliani thing is fascinating, though. I wonder how many of the Republicans supporting him are aware of his views on gay rights, gun control, and abortion. Not to mention his personal life and his appearances in drag on television.

good point on the poll fairy being gay...don't tell too many people that, though...it's much easier to say that "polls are unreliable" ;)

yeah...giuliani will be interesting. right now i would assume he's running high on his "america's mayor" thing. considering that the "top tier" candidates are all pro-choice (McCain "won't say" and Romney is going to have his position from everything but the last 2 years played in EVERY commercial). unless one of the second tier conservatives gets some traction, the gay rights and abortion may not end up hurting him all that much. now the drag-dressing, show-tune singing aspect will hurt regardless.

Spence

01-22-2007, 08:45 AM

now the drag-dressing, show-tune singing aspect will hurt regardless.Finally, the Log Cabin Republicans have a candidate they can support whole-heartedly!

redskin_rich

01-22-2007, 09:02 AM

Name One just One politician who is not Power Hungry.
True but since you quoted me, answer my question.

CNYSkinFan

01-22-2007, 09:04 AM

I am glad she finally is in. I know she is a polarizing figure but she is also a very popular figure among the base believe it or not. And that Poll that Spence put up shows anything is that she is just as strong as any candidate right now. She is up among Democratic voters and within margins against the major GOP candidates (though I think Brownback will end up the nominee).

Spence

01-22-2007, 09:11 AM

Spence

01-22-2007, 09:15 AM

Would you really vote for her? And I would like to put this question to all the democrats here.
I won't be supporting her in the primaries, but I'll not only vote for her in a general election [if it comes to that], but I'll work for her and donate money to her, as well.

fent

01-22-2007, 09:32 AM

wonkette had a pretty good breakdown of why we'll hate these early front runners in 20 months.

http://wonkette.com/politics/2008/2008-backlash-watch-229679.php

Spence

01-22-2007, 09:47 AM

She's too wimpy. I hate everyone RIGHT NOW!wonkette had a pretty good breakdown of why we'll hate these early front runners in 20 months.

http://wonkette.com/politics/2008/2008-backlash-watch-229679.php

shally

01-22-2007, 09:47 AM

Bush has been polarizing almost from day one, but he's gotten two [disastrous] terms in office. Polarizing does not equal loser.

no, that is true.. but what does matter is how much a person's candidacy energies her opponents base.. in that regard, i do not think there is a politician in the history of the dem party that has the same effect upon republicans of all stripes as hillary.. for certain, she will energize some segments of the dem party, but whether that will offset the effect she has on the opponents remains to be seen.

perhaps, only jeb bush would have the analogous effect on the dems

CNYSkinFan

01-22-2007, 09:54 AM

no, that is true.. but what does matter is how much a person's candidacy energies her opponents base.. in that regard, i do not think there is a politician in the history of the dem party that has the same effect upon republicans of all stripes as hillary.. for certain, she will energize some segments of the dem party, but whether that will offset the effect she has on the opponents remains to be seen.

perhaps, only jeb bush would have the analogous effect on the dems
An opponent energizing the base is overrated. Clinton energized the GOp base so much in 1994 we lost the congress, yet in 1996 he was reelected handily.

There is also a definite Democratic tide and any stink from the Bush WH will stick to a GOP candidate just as much as the base is energized by Hillary's candidacy.

Ibleedburgundy

01-22-2007, 10:08 AM

Would you vote for her? Do you feel any connection to her? Do you think she has any soul? Integrity or character?

I don't. She is a power hungry [rhymes with witch]. If she had a shred of integrity, she would have left Bill a long time ago.

Would you really vote for her? And I would like to put this question to all the democrats here.

The only way I will vote for her is if the Republicans run somebody really horrible like George Allen, Tancredo, Frist, Newt, Jeb, or Condi Rice.

I could possibly vote for McCain, Guiliani, Hagel, Romney, Gillmore or Pataki.

CNYSkinFan

01-22-2007, 10:14 AM

The only way I will vote for her is if the Republicans run somebody really horrible like George Allen, Tancredo, Frist, Newt, Jeb, or Condi Rice.

I could possibly vote for McCain, Guiliani, Hagel, Romney, Gillmore or Pataki.
Pataki?????? Seriously Pataki did nothing but run NY right into the ground the last 8 years. The first 4 years he stuck to his pricniples of cutting taxes and spending but discarded it aand took the Bush route of cutting ta=xes and raising spending. Pataki is they poster boy for the emnpty suit club. he got in because of the Anti-cuomo climate and stayed in because of a combination of the power of the office and NYS Democratic party screwing up their nominee.

I could vote for Hagel but he wont get the nomination. Guiliani and McCain have been abandoning their principles to play to the right and That is exactly what they would do in office. Romney is in the Pataki catagory as well.

Ibleedburgundy

01-22-2007, 10:16 AM

Pataki?????? Seriously Pataki did nothing but run NY right into the ground the last 8 years. The first 4 years he stuck to his pricniples of cutting taxes and spending but discarded it aand took the Bush route of cutting ta=xes and raising spending. Pataki is they poster boy for the emnpty suit club. he got in because of the Anti-cuomo climate and stayed in because of a combination of the power of the office and NYS Democratic party screwing up their nominee.

I could vote for Hagel but he wont get the nomination. Guiliani and McCain have been abandoning their principles to play to the right and That is exactly what they would do in office. Romney is in the Pataki catagory as well.

I'm still holding out hope that McCain and Guiliani are just posturing right to get elected but after that they would go back to their true instincts.

eh maybe I wouldn't vote for Pataki but I really don't want to vote for nepotism either.

CNYSkinFan

01-22-2007, 10:33 AM

I'm still holding out hope that McCain and Guiliani are just posturing right to get elected but after that they would go back to their true instincts.

eh maybe I wouldn't vote for Pataki but I really don't want to vote for nepotism either.
You go ahead and hold out that hope. How you run a campaign is how you govern. Bill Clinton was very smart not to cow toe to every liberal group when he rena so he was free to go to the center when he wanted. Sure health care was a left leaning program but there was tremendous public support for it before the ad campaign against it.

I have yet to see a succesful GOP campaign that wrotee off the religious right in any aspect or manner. McCain and Guiliani have abandoned thew reasons they were so popular in the first place.

shally

01-22-2007, 10:36 AM

An opponent energizing the base is overrated. Clinton energized the GOp base so much in 1994 we lost the congress, yet in 1996 he was reelected handily.

There is also a definite Democratic tide and any stink from the Bush WH will stick to a GOP candidate just as much as the base is energized by Hillary's candidacy.

that is true.. but why would the dems want to waste that opportunity by running hillary ? as it stands, it is their election to lose, and i think they will manage to lose it that way

if the gop runs mccain, the "stink" from bush will not likely carry over as much as you might think

shally

01-22-2007, 10:39 AM

You go ahead and hold out that hope. How you run a campaign is how you govern. Bill Clinton was very smart not to cow toe to every liberal group when he rena so he was free to go to the center when he wanted. Sure health care was a left leaning program but there was tremendous public support for it before the ad campaign against it.

I have yet to see a succesful GOP campaign that wrotee off the religious right in any aspect or manner. McCain and Guiliani have abandoned thew reasons they were so popular in the first place.

mccain will run to the center. he will also govern to the center if elected.

i think the religious right will see him as far preferable to a hillary presidency and although they would not be as enthused as someone like brownbeck, they will vote for mccain because he supported bush inthe past 2 general elections despite wooing he received from dems

Ibleedburgundy

01-22-2007, 10:39 AM

You go ahead and hold out that hope. How you run a campaign is how you govern. Bill Clinton was very smart not to cow toe to every liberal group when he rena so he was free to go to the center when he wanted. Sure health care was a left leaning program but there was tremendous public support for it before the ad campaign against it.

I have yet to see a succesful GOP campaign that wrotee off the religious right in any aspect or manner. McCain and Guiliani have abandoned thew reasons they were so popular in the first place.

Your post is a little contradictory. "How you run a campaign is how you Govern" doesn't really fit with the Clinton Presidency but I guess the right and left are different. But even though Fallwell seems to have accepted McCain, James Dobson has not, so I don't think McCain will ever have the full support of the Religious right (even though he tried) and hopefully he can see that so if he wins he does it without having to sell his soul.

skinfanatic

01-23-2007, 02:23 PM

its too early for any predictions. the head of my history dept showed me an article the other day (ill try to find it) basically talking a conspiracy theory of a bipartisan ticket, i believe it was mccain - clinton.

it has happened in our past. originally, i think that not only would it have to snow in hell, satan would have to give free sleigh rides for this to happen. however, i think it would be very cool and an new twist to the evolution of the political parties. (fyi - i think we're due soon for a pretty substantial realignment. i just think that the libertarians and evangelicals will divide the republicans, while the democrats battle between the bleeding liberals and the centrists.) i still think that there isnt a chance for this happening, but theres still the very VERY small, dumb and dumber "so youre telling me theres a chance" probability of this happening.

thoughts?