Jets sign Martin

[Mangini`s Jets]

hey guys,i just read on kffl.com that Jamie Martin signed a 1 yr deal with the Jets.Do any of you guys know much about him?

[dj_stouty]

Yeah...

Jaime Martin was the "official" backup to Kurt Warner last season...but got hurt, thus allowing Bulger to work his magic in St. Louis.

He is not a threat. I repeat. He is not a threat.

[Mangini`s Jets]

Thanks for the info dj_stouty:D .I remember who he is now.I also know he is not a threat ,just wondering who he was,thanks.

[dj_stouty]

I think he was also tried out for the Redskins at one time or another, but got cut.

[jsarno]

this guy really isn't as bad as people may think. The problem is, he's from Weber State and only around 200 pounds. So the odds are against him. But he's a career 64.2% passer (in 310 attempts). He was given a slight chance lastyear, and threw 10 ints compared to 7 td's. That might have been his "one" chance, which he appeared to have blew. But his comp. % tells that he will be a decent QB if given a chance.
What can it hurt the jets? Vinny Test. isn't a star, this guy could help.

[CarMike]

he's definately better than Husak though.....

[JoeDaSchmoe]

He looked terrible in the (very) limited time he had last year on the Rams. I think he was the starter in the game they lost to San Francisco 34-3.

[Skinzaholic]

Does that mean the Jets arent sure about Vinny?

[nyjunc]

Originally posted by Skinzaholic
Does that mean the Jets arent sure about Vinny?

No he is just veteran backup insurance, basically if Vinny goes down then all hope is lost.

[Seebs]

Don't you think Chad could go to the IR?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Chad wont go to IR unless the Jets flounder early and don't recover. The worst case scenario recovery time is 12 weeks. They are expecting him back in time for a playoff push. They wont IR him unless the season is lost.

Also, on Martin, he was a Redskin backup under Norv, in 1998 I think?

[jsarno]

Originally posted by nyjunc
No he is just veteran backup insurance, basically if Vinny goes down then all hope is lost.

Now that is eternal hope for ya!

All hope is already lost. You're hinging all your hopes on an AARP discount shopper in Vinny. You already have probably THE toughest division in the league. I think if I was a Jets fan, I'd put my head between my legs and cry like a school girl.

[nyjunc]

Originally posted by jsarno
Now that is eternal hope for ya!

All hope is already lost. You're hinging all your hopes on an AARP discount shopper in Vinny. You already have probably THE toughest division in the league. I think if I was a Jets fan, I'd put my head between my legs and cry like a school girl.

If I had that attitude I never would have been able to enjoy the 2 division titles in the past 5 years or our other playoff appearance in '01. We have faced dire circumstances and have always come out on top, you underestimate the mental toughness of this team. Let's recap:

1998: Lose MLB marvin Jones for the year in TC, starting QB Glenn Foley goes down. We started 0-2 and 2-3, then in came Vinny and we went 12-4 and had a 10-0 lead in the 3rd qtr of the AFC Championship Game(I'm still not over that one).

1999: We lose Vinny for the season in week 1, also lose Chrbeet for half the season, Fabini, Leon Johnson, Eric Green, ... the list goes on. We were 1-6 and eventually ended up 8-8.

2000: We lose the best coach in the NFL over the last 2 decades(along w/ Gibbs & Walsh), we lose our star WR, our QB is coming back from a devastating injury. We still finish 9-7.

2001: ANOTHER new coaching staff, start 3-3. Finish 10-6 and make playoffs.

2002: In the offseason we lost Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Victor Green, Ryan Young, James Farrior, Kerry Jenkins and more then our OL is badly beaten up to begin the season, Curtis Martin is not himslef all year b/c of injury, The D has 6 new starters and our top 2 players are hurt(Abe & Cowart), we start 1-4 and 2-5. Yet w/ a 1st yr QB we manage to finish 7-2 destroying GB in the final week then destroying Indy in the playoffs before falling in the 2nd rd.

This team is mentally tough and they won't lie down in the face of adversity.

I have been to 104 straight reg season games and before 1997 we stunk. I sat through 4-12, 6-10, 3-13, 1-15- I KNOW what bad football looks like and I know we are more than capable of still winning this division no matter how tough it is. The task became alot harder after Chad went down but I STILL BELIEVE!

One more thing, the Jets are undefeated in road games I have attended and I'll be down at FedEx next week.

[nyjunc]

Oh and here's what a pretty good player who played w/ Vinny has to say about Vinny and the Jets chances. Click the link below:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/112409p-101533c.html

[nyjunc]

And let's also not forget that the Jets have the best road record in the NFL since 1997.

[jsarno]

I hope your right. You definitely provide proof of your feelings there. Good luck to you.

If the skins lose the game, I'll be calling for your banishment! (just to give you a friendly heads up!)

[kelly]

Originally posted by bighermfan
hey guys,i just read on kffl.com that Jamie Martin signed a 1 yr deal with the Jets.Do any of you guys know much about him?

bighermfan : he won't be goin' to the super bowl w/ the jets ~ ~ ~

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I have been to 104 straight reg season games and before 1997 we stunk. I sat through 4-12, 6-10, 3-13, 1-15- I KNOW what bad football looks like and I know we are more than capable of still winning this division no matter how tough it is. The task became alot harder after Chad went down but I STILL BELIEVE![/B]

Hey, Junc, props to ya. You're a steadfast fan.

[TexSkin]

Hey Vinny is great but he is going to be 40 and already is prone to injury..thats why the Jets need to find somebody. I am glad they did not hit the panick button and sign Brunnell. I think that would have been a huge mistake.

[REDMAN]

Just some insurance in case the V man goes down.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by TexSkin
Hey Vinny is great but he is going to be 40 and already is prone to injury..thats why the Jets need to find somebody. I am glad they did not hit the panick button and sign Brunnell. I think that would have been a huge mistake.

I don't think it would have been a mistake at all. Jets fans, and some here that look at Vinny's longevity, don't seem to realize that he's thrown only 11 more tds than int's in his career. He had 2 great years, one with Baltimore in 96, and one with teh Jets in 98 (which make Jets fans forget that in the 4 years since 98, he's thrown only 40 td passes, and threw 43 int's.) (both 96 and 98 were the ONLY years he's ever made the probowl, 12.5% of the time he makes the probowl)
In 16 years, he's thrown for 3000+ yards only 5 times.
He's about as immobile as they come. In his last 38 games, he has only 80 rushing yards. (2.11 yards PER GAME)
He's a career 56.1% passer as well.

Brunell on the other hand in 8 years with Jacksonville has made the probowl 3 times 96, 97, 99. (37.5% of the time he makes the probowl)
Brunell has thrown for 3000+ yards 5 times as well (of course in half the time it took vinny)
Brunells career TD to INT ratio is 142 to 86, and last year he had a +10 td / int ratio. (if you are the type to see trends) In fact only once did Brunell throw more int's than tds in a season (and it was by only 1 int., Vinny has done that 8 times, including 35 ints back in 88, and 25 as recent as 2000)
Brunell is a career 60.2% passer as well.
Even with busted up knees, Brunell has managed, in his last 30 games, to rush for 431 yards.
A lot of people talk bad about Brunell, but he is quite a solid QB, and twice the QB that Vinny is.
The Jets would look at a playoff run if they got Brunell, but right now, they will come in LAST place in that division!

[nyjunc]

I don't think it would have been a mistake at all. Jets fans, and some here that look at Vinny's longevity, don't seem to realize that he's thrown only 11 more tds than int's in his career

That stat is a little misleading. Early in his career his INTs were way abive his TDs, he has been great just to get back to even let alone +11. The first 6 years of his career in TB he was -35, he threw 67 TDs while throwing 102 INTs. Since then he is +46 thrwoing 167 TDs to 121 INTs and w/ the Jets he is +19 throwing 69 TDs to 40 INTs.

Would Brunell be an upgrade? Maybe, maybe not. There's no doubt Brunell has more left in the tank but he;d have to learn a new system and he'd be a cap killer. The Jets made the wise move.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by nyjunc
That stat is a little misleading. Early in his career his INTs were way abive his TDs, he has been great just to get back to even let alone +11. The first 6 years of his career in TB he was -35, he threw 67 TDs while throwing 102 INTs. Since then he is +46 thrwoing 167 TDs to 121 INTs and w/ the Jets he is +19 throwing 69 TDs to 40 INTs.

You're right, this is why I provided his last (most RECENT) 4 years of stats as well. (40 td's 43 ints) (let's not forget I also posted his second worse int season in his career that was 25, one FULL season after his fluke 98 season)
You mean 50 int's with the Jets. Take away his one good year with you (98) and you have a Jets career that is 40tds and 43 ints. If you have 1 year which you do well, and 4 that you don't, the norm is the 4 years, not the one. Especially since he has only 2 good years in his career. And he was born in 63 (making him 40) So while the stats are a bit misleading (but let's not fool ourselves, that early vinny is still alive and well in the old vinny) the past does not lie.

Would Brunell be an upgrade? Maybe, maybe not. There's no doubt Brunell has more left in the tank but he;d have to learn a new system and he'd be a cap killer. The Jets made the wise move.

The Jets did make the wise move for the future, because you already have pennington. But you could have moved Brunell after this season and been alright. I know you dont agree, but this season is a bust. Last place is inevitable.

ps- the best point is the new system. But Vinny is the only QB that knows the system right now, and he's one hit away from retirement.

[nyjunc]

He only played 2 of those years and was awful coming back from injury in '00. He was ok in '01 but struggled w/ the new system. Last year he played 3 games. So his true last 4 years are '97, '98, '00, '01 and his #s are very good in that span.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by nyjunc
He only played 2 of those years and was awful coming back from injury in '00. He was ok in '01 but struggled w/ the new system. Last year he played 3 games. So his true last 4 years are '97, '98, '00, '01 and his #s are very good in that span.

HAHAHA, grasping at straws?

How about his last 2 full seasons? 36tds, 39ints. FACT remains, take away his one FLUKE season in 98 with the Jets (and yes, it was a fluke first season with the jets), he has done nothing in a Jets uni to warrent respect.
Let us not forget that he was indeed the starter last season, and lost his job to Pennington. (he was headed down aHe only threw for 499 yards all season with 3 tds and 3 ints. (did he not go 1-4 or 1-3 as the Jets leader last year?) Last year was 3 years removed from injury too, so you can't blame that. He doesnt have anything left, and if not for that one fluke year with the Jets in 98, he'd be retired, or a MASSIVE after thought.

[nyjunc]

Last year was a different animal. His OL was banged up(Mawae, Thomas & Fabini were all playing badly hurt and Szott was out until Dec), Curtis was badly injured as well(he gained less than 100 yards in the first 4 games COMBINED), the D had 6 new starters and the 2 best players were hurt(Abraham & Cowart)- they couldn't get off the field.

Vinny had no chance those first few weeks. Chad was great but the QB was not the problem it was a team effort in losing those first few weeks.

I don't expect Vinny '98 but I expect a good Vinny and a Vinny that will lead us to many wins(he is the winningest QB in Jets history % wise).

[Spence]

Brunell is a better quarterback than Vinny Testaverde, I don't see how anyone can deny that. Brunell is still pretty mobile, Vinny is a statue. Brunell is more careful with turnovers. I think Vinny will have some big games with the Jets, but Brunell would do more for them. I actually think they should consider trading for Brunell if they could swing it under the cap. That Jets team is too good to let the season go to waste because the quarterback went down. With Mark Brunell at quarterback, the Jets are a Super Bowl contender again.

[jsarno]

I expect nothing else from you NY. You've made your feelings clear about your expectations. I obviously don't agree. I've been watching this game for a long time, and for Vinny to lead you guys to the playoffs even is something that won't happen. No biggy. I'm sure the season will shw us.
I just find it hard to believe in THAT division you guys are going to do well. I see a 7-9 season at best, 8-8 if your amazingly lucky.
I truely feel you underestimate what you've lost. But that's my opinion. The Jets are an afterthought for me anyway. I look forward to numerous discussions throughout the season.

[nyjunc]

There's no doubt Brunell is better but it wouldn't be a wise move at this point, maybe if the injury happened in the offseason but there's not enough time to learn the system and get clicking w/ the new O. If Brunell was here tomorrow and started Week 2 it would take him a while to get comfortable and they might be out of the race by that time. Vinny isn't great but he's still capable, the most important part of the team is the OL & Curtis. They NEED to run the ball well, they haven't looked good in preseason but they usually don't this time of year so we'll see how they look next week.

[nyjunc]

Originally posted by jsarno
I expect nothing else from you NY. You've made your feelings clear about your expectations. I obviously don't agree. I've been watching this game for a long time, and for Vinny to lead you guys to the playoffs even is something that won't happen. No biggy. I'm sure the season will shw us.
I just find it hard to believe in THAT division you guys are going to do well. I see a 7-9 season at best, 8-8 if your amazingly lucky.
I truely feel you underestimate what you've lost. But that's my opinion. The Jets are an afterthought for me anyway. I look forward to numerous discussions throughout the season.

I never said I guaranteed a playoff spot but I think we'll compete for one. I though w/ Chad we were a 10-11 win team and now I think we will win 8-9.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Spence
That Jets team is too good to let the season go to waste because the quarterback went down. With Mark Brunell at quarterback, the Jets are a Super Bowl contender again.

I wouldn't go that far, but they would be a solid contender for the playoffs.

NY, who did you get to replace the best returner in the game last year (morton)?

(special teams never get the credit they deserve, if you didn't get anyone really good, you'll be surprised hw the team fails. A good returner is like giving your team an extra field goal each game.)

[nyjunc]

NY, who did you get to replace the best returner in the game last year (morton)?

Albert Johnson, he was among the league leaders w/ Miami last year before he got hurt. he has had an excellent camp. I loved Morton and he is great but the drop off will not be a big one. Mike Westhoff is the best STs coach in the businsess and his schemes open up holes. 2 years ago w/ Craig Yeast as our primary KR we were very good and yeast was among the top 5 KRs.

I agree about STs and that is another reason for optimism heer b/c of Westhoff. He always had the best STs when he was e/ Miami and the Jets have been great since he came here in '01, and we also still have the best PR in the game.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by nyjunc
Albert Johnson, he was among the league leaders w/ Miami last year before he got hurt. he has had an excellent camp. I loved Morton and he is great but the drop off will not be a big one. Mike Westhoff is the best STs coach in the businsess and his schemes open up holes. 2 years ago w/ Craig Yeast as our primary KR we were very good and yeast was among the top 5 KRs.

I agree about STs and that is another reason for optimism heer b/c of Westhoff. He always had the best STs when he was e/ Miami and the Jets have been great since he came here in '01, and we also still have the best PR in the game.


I will agree with you there about the Jets special teams coach. The best in the game IMO.

I'll need to look into A. Johnson. I live for football, but I don't recall him being that good.

[nyjunc]

He has been hurt and who knows it could happen again but he has looked good in preseason games(the other night he brought back the opening KO to about the 45) and apparently is over his injuries. I don't expect him to be as good as Chad but I expect him to be very good and be among the top 5 or so in the AFC.

[jsarno]

what did he injure?

[nyjunc]

Originally posted by jsarno
what did he injure?

I believe he had some knee problems but he is supposedly healthy and running as fast as he has in years. I haven't timed him but he certainly looks quick.

[jsarno]

I've looked him up, and from what I've read looks like he had some talent. A knee injury would worry me personally, but no one really says he's a top KR.
You never know in this game anyway...so good luck with him. (just not thursday!) :D