Johnny Cash living off Sound Garden?

[jsarno]

This new "HIT" Johnny Cash has out called "hurt" was a hit in the mid 90's by sound garden. (rusty cage I believe it was called)
When I first heard Cash sing it, I was singing along, then realized that I had NEVER heard Cash sing it before so wondered where I heard it. I went crazy throuhg my CD's trying to find it. I initially thouhgt it was Alice in Chains, so I asked a friend here at work and he said "Sound Garden", but I am still unsure.

From what I understand, I THINK cash wrote it. (not sure)
But should Cash be allowed to live off the fame that Sound Garden created with this song? I have mixed emotions if he did really write it, but if he didn't, I think it's flat out wrong. Why should he be praised for a song that someone else made famous?

[AGibbsGirl]

Isn't this what everyone does?

Whitney Houston made a killing off of Dolly Parton's "I will always love you"

Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, who wrote the song, says this:

Back in April, Trent made an appearance on CMT's Flameworthy 2003 Video Music Awards Tribute to Johnny Cash where he was honored as the" "Greatest Man in Country Music" He also offered this comment on the first time he witnessed the remaking of his song.

"We were in the studio, getting ready to work -- and I popped it in," Reznor says. "By the end I was really on the verge of tears. I'm working with Zach de la Rocha, and I told him to take a look. At the end of it, there was just dead silence. There was, like, this moist clearing of our throats and then, 'Uh, OK, let's get some coffee.''

Cash has taken this song and made it his own, with the apparent approval of the writer.

http://www.stagepassnews.com/articles/vox/johnnycash_hurt.html

[jsarno]

thanks for the info AGG. I really thought it was soundgarden, thanks for clearing that up.

I like the version...don't get me wrong. But do you really think it's fair for him to cash in on someone elses work?

[AGibbsGirl]

Yep!
That's the way it usually works.
Think how many Re-makes are out there.

That's all this is, a good re-make. I'm sure Reznor is getting royalties.

[jsarno]

It always bothers me to hear remakes. I like the original in 99% of the cases. The only re-makes I seem to like are ones that are GROSSLY outdated (from the 50's or 60's to now), but that song was still fresh if I could still sing along without missing a beat.

I just don't think people should be praised for remakes. Oh well. I'm sure this has a lot to do with the death of his wife. The musical world has sympathy for the man in black.

[Skinzaholic]

Actually, the way the business works is sort of backwards. The performer usually gets very little of the money. It is the writer who makes the killing.

I am certain Cash had to pay a hefty sum to use this song... and Reznor will also be paid royalties for each CD sold.

The money in the music business is not from performing... it is from writing. (Unless of course you reach such stardome that you get Commercials, millios of albums sold, etc etc).

[jsarno]

Really?
I never heard of writers making it rich. But hey, what do I know about the actual "business" of the music industry?

[Skinzaholic]

Truthfully... I am not sure they ever "make it rich"... that is due to our media swamped society. (Who wants to buy a shirt with some dud writer on it ayway?)

The writers make their money from the song itself... royalties and stuff (it amounts to alot... one hit and your set).

In Nashville, for instance, the big writers are used all the time. Once they made it big, they became wanted. Younger songwriters need to scrounge for one hit. It is a shot in the dark.


Ask any professional song writer and they will tell you... what we hear on most radio stationsand see on MTV isn't the talented parts f the machine... just the photogenic parts.

[jsarno]

then the concerts must be all the performers money huh?

[Skinzaholic]

Originally posted by jsarno
then the concerts must be all the performers money huh?

Yes... but there are others who get their cuts as well... venues... programmers... etc etc etc.


The way to make it in this music business is to have "the look". Musical ability is also suggested (but not required).

Just watch the next American Idol and see what I mean!

[Spence]

Heck just watch MTV. Oh, wait. They don't actually have music on MTV anymore. Try MTV2.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by jsarno
then the concerts must be all the performers money huh?

Exactly the reason this File Sharing fit they are throwing is a bunch of BS. If the writers were the ones coming out then I'd be a little bit on their side. However, the ones that are coming out is the performers, and not many of the ones that have come out are ones that write their own music!

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Skinzaholic

The way to make it in this music business is to have "the look". Musical ability is also suggested (but not required).

Like Brittany Spears and the deliteful sounds of NOSE MUSIC?

Just watch the next American Idol and see what I mean!

Clay was skrewed!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by jsarno
This new "HIT" Johnny Cash has out called "hurt" was a hit in the mid 90's by sound garden. (rusty cage I believe it was called)
When I first heard Cash sing it, I was singing along, then realized that I had NEVER heard Cash sing it before so wondered where I heard it. I went crazy throuhg my CD's trying to find it. I initially thouhgt it was Alice in Chains, so I asked a friend here at work and he said "Sound Garden", but I am still unsure.

From what I understand, I THINK cash wrote it. (not sure)
But should Cash be allowed to live off the fame that Sound Garden created with this song? I have mixed emotions if he did really write it, but if he didn't, I think it's flat out wrong. Why should he be praised for a song that someone else made famous?

I don't think "Hurt" and "Rusty Cage" are the same song. Johnny Cash did an actual cover of Rusty Cage back in 1996. It was on his album Unchained (http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/issues/120696/6Arts/New_revs/newrevs02.html).




Rusty Cage was originally released by Soundgarden in 1991 on their album "Badmotorfinger".

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273
I don't think "Hurt" and "Rusty Cage" are the same song. Johnny Cash did an actual cover of Rusty Cage back in 1996. It was on his album Unchained (http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/issues/120696/6Arts/New_revs/newrevs02.html).




Rusty Cage was originally released by Soundgarden in 1991 on their album "Badmotorfinger".

I've come to realize this with more research. When I asked that guy what he was talking about, he explained rusty cage by sound garden, and didn't realize I was talking about "hurt".
I actually have both CD's in my truck right now. (hurt was originally released on the cd "downward spiral" by NIN.