first quarter of season prediction [Archive]

SkinsCT

08-27-2003, 01:48 PM

Season predictions are incredibly hard to do, cause of situations we've seen develop in NY and Atlanta and no one can really tell how good or bad teams will be, but here goes:

Win at home vs. NYJ, mainly because the guys'll be fired up like they were last year for the 70th Anniversary game, but the Jets will be all over the place with a new QB, and their defense never comes together until the 2nd half of the season.

Win in Atlanta. Doug Johnson is serviceable but if we can put pressure on him and keep them under 120-140 on the ground a victory is more than possible. Their defense is very good, top 10, but their secondary shouldn't scare anyone, points are not impossible to coem by.

Lose to the G-Men. Giants are solid on both sides of the ball. The only hope we have is that Collins goes down like the other two. If they start Jesse Palmer he will be so rattled by the sight of Spurrier looking at him that he will crumble apart, much like he did routinely at UF.

Win at home vs. NE. This is a weak pick, cause I think the Pats will be good enough this year to go back to the Super Bowl. However, they have below average speed in the secondary from starting strong safeties at both safety positions, and have never shown the ability to stop the run.

I'll take 3-1 to start any day of the week. I think we better be 3-1, cause after that the schedule gets even more brutal.

LavarLeap2003

08-27-2003, 01:56 PM

what if we went 4-0, man, i think it COULD happen, but just depends on the team ofcourse

SkinsCT

08-27-2003, 01:58 PM

We could definitely do it, imagine that. We would in first place, but also be up 4 games, so if we lost to Philly and Tampa it wouldnt be so bad.

BigDaddyBohnzie

08-27-2003, 02:18 PM

sorry to sound pessimistic but...

The Jets should be a win...they lost Pennington, but if Vinny can get himself out of his career wheelchair long enough, it could still be a tough game...Martin and Jordan are 2 capable RBs. Skins win a close one (1-0)

Everyone has pinned the Falcons success on Mike Vick, however they are still a capable offense withouth him, and their defense is stellar. They are so-so in the Dome, but I think they win on a Feely FG at the end of the game (1-1)

The hailRedskins game of the year against the Giants. The Skins have played 6 very tough games over the last 3 years (going 2-4, including a sweep last year). look for Shockey and Barber to have killer days and the Skins lose again to the G-Men (1-2)

The Patriots. I believe we have a chance...their running game isn't stellar...the Giants, Jets and Falcons (to an extent) have solid ground games...the Pats had 1 100 yard effort from Antowain Smith, however Kevin Faulk is a very capable back, and i've been waiting for him to shine since he left LSU. I believe our secondary can stop Brady and we edge this one out at home (2-2)

I see 2-2 or 1-3. I hope the Skins can prove me dead wrong.

NCskinsfanatic

08-27-2003, 02:47 PM

At best i think 2-2.I really feel like with all the new players we wont play our best ball until the second half.Injuries will help against the Jets and Falcons.We should be able to take the Giants(overrated IMO)im not so sure about the Pats though.I think theyll be much better this year.

dj_stouty

08-27-2003, 02:56 PM

I originally planned it that a 3-3 record one-third way through would be acceptable, considering our strong schedule. For the first quarter...I had the following prior to the "injuries":

Jets - W
Falcons - L
Giants - W
Patriots - L

I now see it like this:

Jets - W
Falcons - W
Giants - W
Patriots - L

I really don't think the Falcons have a chance against our strong passing Defense. I'm not convinced Johnson is a true NFL QB yet, so the jury is till out.

Makes my goal of 3-3 much easier to achieve, especially with the Eagles and Bucs staring at us at week 5 and 6.

hail2skins

08-27-2003, 03:00 PM

I can see us going 4-0 but I believe 3-1 is better. We'll lose the Patriots but should beat everyone else.

tonedog12345

08-27-2003, 03:00 PM

i think we may be 4-0 for the first four...
The Jets- I Think will be an a$$ whoopin. I predict a 3 score win at least.
The Faclons- shouldnt be too tough... our defense will crush their offense. I predict a two score win.
The Giants- Too me, i Think They are completley overrated... Tiki barber will get hurt like he does every year except the last one and kerry kollins sucks. Two score win
The Pats- EWW this may be a tough game. Their defense will be very good and we'll have to make a big defensive turnover to win this game i think. Or maybe Spurrier can pick on their rookie corners.... I Think we'll win but by only a field goal or td
4-0

NamVet4

08-27-2003, 03:07 PM

Jets - W
Falcons - W
Giants - W
Patriots - L

And the game I really, really, really want to see us whoop ass is the "Gints"

:giantsuk:

PennSkinsFan

08-27-2003, 03:09 PM

Beat teh Jets, Beat the Falcs, Beat the Giants, lose to Pats. 3-1, anything less will disappoint

nyjunc

08-27-2003, 03:39 PM

That's a tough first quarter. You guys could easily lose all 4 but I'll give you 2 wins. Not the 2 you'd expect but the Ginats & Pats. You will be facing wounded animals the first 2 weeks and I think you will lose those.

vs. NY Jets- L
at Atlanta- L
vs. NYG- W
vs. NE- W

PennSkinsFan

08-27-2003, 03:43 PM

Nah sorry. Jets will be oen of our easier games on the schedule.

nyjunc

08-27-2003, 03:53 PM

Keep believing that, you'll be in for a shocker next Thursday Night.

camasterton

08-27-2003, 05:07 PM

Football is a game of emotion, momentum and field position. We could win all the games or lose all the games. I don't think any of the teams we play see us as a gimme. I hope we play the same way.
The Jets missing Pennington may not be as big a blow to them, short term, as people think. The reason Pennington shone last year was because he stepped into the void created when Curtis Martin invariably wore down. He'll be playing on the 4th. Testeverde can suck it up for a game or two, the Jets will be pumped for revenge, on national TV and every year, all over the league, week one is full of big special teams. We better not get to cocky here.
The Falcons will be having thier home opener, always a motivator. We need to get up on them early and force them into a high risk offense with no Michael Vick to rescue them. He inspired his teammates to play through even when they were way down, because he could find a way to win. We need to steal thier hope early. If not they have a well coached defense and exceptional Special Teams.
I see the Patriots as our decent opportunity. Our offense matched up pretty well with the Ravens 3/4. The same D the Patriots run. Only they are new to the scheme and hopefully will be having growing pains. It will also be the 2nd week in the month we face it as a base defense. Hopefully it's "suprise" aspect will be voided. They have a good QB and good WRs but chriminy, thier starting Rb is Antowain Smith, thier back up RB just got hurt, Thier starting LT was put on IR and they were "really counting on Brenden Stai to anchor the line" according to TSN. Y'all remember Brenden Stai right? If we can just keep down thier Special Teams (thier strength) we have a very good chance. Granted I'm throwing out the blunderfest memory of the 2nd camp game against them but... our lines were in chaos at the time, missing starters at DE, DT, C and G.
As for the Giants game, they have an early bye week right after playing us. They need a great start. We must must must put them in a hole so they'll have to climb out of it with no break till week 17 when they go on vacation! btw-I'm not one to wish an injury on any man, so you didn't hear it from me - but if the Cowboys' and Rams LBs want to stick thier helmets into the Shockey's bruised ribs, that wouldn't be such a bad thing would it?
Having said all that, I need us to be 4-0 to sleep well with the windows open in October!

Green-Is-Good

08-27-2003, 05:16 PM

3-1. We will lose to either the giants or the falcons.

tonedog12345

08-27-2003, 05:45 PM

Whoever on this forum said were gonna lose to the jets obviousley knows nothing about football or is a serious jets fan. Vinny SUCKS!!
The only way we can lose is if ramsey gets hurt and maybe theyll have a shot...MAYBE! It Pi$$es me off hearing stupid stuff like that....When you talk please say stuff that actually makes sense!

nyjunc

08-27-2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by tonedog12345
Whoever on this forum said were gonna lose to the jets obviousley knows nothing about football or is a serious jets fan. Vinny SUCKS!!
The only way we can lose is if ramsey gets hurt and maybe theyll have a shot...MAYBE! It Pi$$es me off hearing stupid stuff like that....When you talk please say stuff that actually makes sense!

You are right, it's completely crazy to think a team can win w/ a QB who is approaching 40,000 passing yards and is the winnngest QB in the history of the franchise(% wise), a future HOF RB, a backup RB who would start on many teams(including the 'Skins), a very good trio of WRs, one of the better OLs in the NFL, a premiere pass rusher and a pretty good DL, good LBs, a good secondary and the best STs in the league. A team that has defied the odds and adversity of the pass few years to make back to back playoff appearances, how could such a team ever win?:o

By the way, I think one point many overlook is big game experience. Only a few players on the 'Skins have it while most of the Jets roster has played in big games the past few years and the opener on a Thurs Night is a BIG GAME. That's a rough spot for a raw QB to be starting, will the pressure get to him? I guess we'll find out in a little over a week.

Shabba

08-27-2003, 06:59 PM

I see us starting 2-2. The Pats are gonna be very tough and the Falcons will be tough.
We could possibably beat the Gmen and the Jets.

HollywoodKolt

08-27-2003, 07:11 PM

Jets- This will be a tough game for them they lost their starting QB and although Vinny has a better arm he's not as good as Pennington. The problem I forsee is the Redskins front 4 having a problem stopping Martin/Jordan. Redskins Win

Falcons- Doug Johnson is no all-star but if Duckett/Dunn have a good game he won't have to be. I think that offensively Ramsey will have a good game against the Falcons corners but rushing yards will be harder to come by. Redskins eek out a victory.

Giants- First divisional game The Giants have two really good offensive threats Tiki Barber, and Jeremy Shockey. Barber worries me against our front four and Shockey has torn Washington apart in the two games he played against us. New York has a solid defense. I see New York giving us a challenge but not as much of a challenge as Atlanta. Redskins win another close one.

New England- This really really worries me. Belicheck is a great defensive coach. What he could do to a rookie QB boogles the mind. Running room for our backs could be very very scarce. New England has a Solid secondary. Offensively New England has a really good passing game. If we let Brady sit back there and "Order Pizzas" then he'll pick us apart. New England's running game is decent but not great. Antoine Smith is slow and not a great back but against us it may not matter. Redskins lose in an ugly one.

3-1 maybe 2-2 not bad and a good start to a tough schedule.

skinswin'emALL

08-27-2003, 07:19 PM

4 and 0 Baby! We beat the Jets 42-0! The Bandwagon will be warming up in week 1 and at full thoddle against the G-Men.

BigCountry

08-27-2003, 07:32 PM

We can beat the Jets, the Falcons might be too tough at home. We'll probably loose to the Patriots but they do play to our defensive adavteges. The Giants game is usually who can sneek by a win so it's up in the air. 3-1 and at best. 1-3 at worst.

The optimism of the post above is nice but I don't see any logical way of us blowing out the Jets and no real way to go 4-0.

DallasSux

08-27-2003, 07:34 PM

4-0 we mite lose to the giants

Gump84

08-27-2003, 07:41 PM

Although I think we will beat the Jets, I don't know why everyone is so confident that we will kill the Jets yet feels we don't stand a chance against the Pats...

kelly

08-27-2003, 07:42 PM

Jets - W
Falcons - L
Giants - W
Patriots - L

-jets : no way we ( the jets ) beat you guys in this game.
-falcons : vick is out but their back-up qb ( johnson ? ) is one of the better back-ups in the nfl. this is the last year of his contract.
he will be highly motivated to excel so at the end of this year he will hit the free agent market as one of the most sought after free agent qb's.
-giants : i just don't think they're a good team this year.
-pats : their coach will plan a D that should hold your O under 13 pts.
:whoknows: :banger: :Partyon: :Partybig: :golf: :mfast: :beer: :Partyup:

JoeDaSchmoe

08-27-2003, 10:53 PM

The Pats will be hard, yes, but let's hold up a second there. Their defense is good, no question. But offense? Weak. They can't run well and they can't pass well. I don't think they'll be as tough as some people here seem to think, mainly because they'll have the same problem many defensive-oriented teams face: Scoring points.

I can see us 2-2, 3-1, or 4-0. 2-2 would still be a disappointment. Anything below that would be maddening.

IowaSkinsFan

08-28-2003, 01:22 AM

I'm saying 3-1, starting 3-0.

We take the first 2 games against teams playing with backups, although Doug Johnson will give us a scare in week 2.

I think we will upset the Giants and announce ourselves as wildcard contenders in this game. Everyone has had 1 year to see Shockey and plan for him. I think we will match Bowen up on him, much like Bailey will be on Toomer. Arrington, being free to roam, will neutralize Barber. We upset the Gints to go 3-0, then get a dose of reality against a much better Patriots team and finish the first quarter at a very respectable 3-1.

SkinsKY

08-28-2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
The Pats will be hard, yes, but let's hold up a second there. Their defense is good, no question. But offense? Weak. They can't run well and they can't pass well. I don't think they'll be as tough as some people here seem to think, mainly because they'll have the same problem many defensive-oriented teams face: Scoring points.

I can see us 2-2, 3-1, or 4-0. 2-2 would still be a disappointment. Anything below that would be maddening.

That's what I'm saying...The Pats are a good team, maybe better than us, but they don't have a strong offense. They are completely beatable if we keep our heads in the game. I'm more scared by the Giants because I always think they will suck every year, and they always prove me wrong. Tiki will get some serious respect this year which will only help Collins, plus he has Hilliard back...at least until they play the Iggles again. If we lose one, I say it's to the Giants.

SkinsKY

08-28-2003, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by kelly

-pats : their coach will plan a D that should hold your O under 13 pts.
:whoknows: :banger: :Partyon: :Partybig: :golf: :mfast: :beer: :Partyup: [/B]

Too bad our coach will plan a D that will hold them to three. :twak: :beer:

truant

08-28-2003, 07:57 AM

I'm more worried about the Jets than Giants. Anything can happen week 1. The smart aggressor will win the game. We've seen it all too often with the skins. If we come out slow and unenthused, I think the Jets have a great shot.

I think we should beat the Jets due to the basics. We're at home. They have their backup QB.

But week 1 is scary.

the giants are grossly overrated... matchup Champ on Toomer, and he's out of the game. Lewis was too stubborn to do that last year. Smoot and Hilliard are a wash. Lavar/Bowen on Shockey- both sides will get their fair share of plays. Tiki running isn't that scary, him recieving is. Their O-line should be a lot worse this year.

Their D is solid. Great corners, but other than that, they need some people to step up for them. I think the G-men turn into a finesse team this year and pass too much and get run all over.

AustinSkins

08-28-2003, 08:16 AM

4-and OH MY GOD....Start up the Bandwagon!!!

SkinsKY

08-28-2003, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by truant
Tiki running isn't that scary, him recieving is.

Consider this: He had four 100 yard games last year. That's not particularly great, but they all came AFTER Fassel made him the feature back in the offense. His numbers for the year are not bad and when you factor in that he shared duty most of the year, he can be scary. Give him a whole season of that and I think many people will be surprised. The playoff run came after Fassel took over playcalling. I think the Gints will be deceptively good this year.

skinswin'emALL

08-28-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by champbailey
Consider this: He had four 100 yard games last year. That's not particularly great, but they all came AFTER Fassel made him the feature back in the offense. His numbers for the year are not bad and when you factor in that he shared duty most of the year, he can be scary. Give him a whole season of that and I think many people will be surprised. The playoff run came after Fassel took over playcalling. I think the Gints will be deceptively good this year.

Consider this: Tiki has had 27 FUMBLES in the last 3 seasons. How many we he have as the full time starter? Sky's the limit! His first carry in preseason: FUMBLE! The only thing that burnS my but is that when he fumbles, the so called media experts also start out saying "The usually reliable Tiki Barber...."

RELIABLE? What a crock! The only backs to put the ball on the turf more is the past 3 seasons are QUARTERBACKS!

He is always a threat to make a big play; but he has cost the g men just as well.

fever1972

08-28-2003, 11:10 AM

I see us going 3-1. We have to beat the Jets ( there are to many reasons to list why). I worry about the Giants. It's always a tough game, but they have a weak offensive line this year. The question is will our D-line, full of unknowns, be able to capitalize on that. I think the Ravens game showed that we can handle a 3-4 defense, take a beating from them and still move the ball. So with that in mind I think we can take the Pats. The Pats don't have a great running game and our secondary should be able to do enough to get the win for us. Atlanta's secondary was suspect last year, and souldn't scare us. Overall, I think our one loss will come with either Giants or the Pats.

Highlander

08-28-2003, 12:50 PM

Beat the patsies will ya.

kelly

08-28-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by champbailey
Too bad our coach will plan a D that will hold them to three. :twak: :beer:

champbailey : are you serious ? :confused:

Spence

08-28-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by kelly
champbailey : are you serious ? :confused:
I think hopeful or optimistic would be a more appropriate description.

Spence

08-28-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Highlander
Beat the patsies will ya.
We'll try, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Pats look as strong as any team in the league to me.

kelly

08-28-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Spence
We'll try, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Pats look as strong as any team in the league to me.

Spence : i agree.
& we ( the jets ) have to play them twice ( at least ) :banghead:

p.s. we won't make the playoffs this year so there's no chance for us to play them more than twice :beer:

Spence

08-28-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by kelly
Spence : i agree.
& we ( the jets ) have to play them twice ( at least ) :banghead:

p.s. we won't make the playoffs this year so there's no chance for us to play them more than twice :beer:
You'd make the playoffs if you had Mark Brunell. I know his salary is a load, but if only for one year...I hate to see a team with as much talent as this Jets team concede the season after one unfortunate injury. Put Brunell on the Jets in 2003 and you guys are playing in January. Maybe even...February.

tonedog12345

08-28-2003, 02:55 PM

all the things you said nyc are very inaccurate
1. the jets 3 wideout are fricken garbage compared to our db's.Wayne,Santana,And Curtis LOL!!
2. Lamont Jordan is garbage and he could not start for redskins cuz hes not the type to fit in the offense
3. who cares if vinny has that many passing yards.. he sucks now he's 40 yrs old. look at flutie and learn

I can see it now, Coles burning donnie abraham for a 80 yard td.

Spence

08-28-2003, 03:11 PM

I like Santana Moss if he's healthy and I like Lamont Jordan a lot. Curtis Martin is a good back, but I think he's on his last legs. Jordan should be a fine replacement for him.

BossHog

08-28-2003, 03:24 PM

I definitely feel like the Jets game should be a win. I would guess that with the lack of a running game that the Jets have shown this preseason, coupled with Vinny's lack of snaps the past 11 months should make the Jets offense struggle. Any pressure on the QB will make this a romp.

I still think Atlanta could give us a game athough Miami exploited them both through the air and on the ground, and we all know that Miami's receiving corps are slow and extrememly average; a far cry from the speed that we have to throw to. I like us to win by 7.

The next two games scare me big time. Other than their average running game, they are extremely talented, especially defensively. If we steal this game, we should be very happy. Their secondary has the talent to hang with our passing game, and I don't see us being able to run on their D-line/LB's. We haven't shown a consistent running game yet this preseason, and that will hurt us against a quality D like NE.

The Giants game is a toss up. they have talent on both sides of the ball, and there will be alot of energy and hitting from both teams. I wouldn't be surprised if we lost this game, but there is always the chance that Kerry Collins could regress to the Kerry Collins that was on the sauce a few years ago and would have great games, followed by games where it looked like he was passing with a blindfold on. Our DL will be tested against a team that has had some good success running the ball, but pressure on Collins will give us a chance to make some plays, and if we can cause turnovers, we could take this one.

ronnydynamic

08-29-2003, 12:50 PM

I have to applaud you guys for being true fans. Every fan sees his team through rose colored glasses and after reading this thread I'm in amazement. I'm not here to talk crap, but do you guys really think you can beat the Jets on opening day? True we lost Pennington which will help even the playing field, but Vinny is still a veteran QB. You guys have no way to stop our running game. You are dangerously thin at DT, We all know that without a presence in the middle it's almost impossible to stop the run. If you move 8 into the box to stop it, then that leaves a WR open in the secondary. If Moss or Chrebet lines up in the slot, who will stop them on 3rd down? On the other hand you do have two excellent DB's in Smoot and Bailey but is that enough? Do you have a fierce pass rush? Is Ramsey really ready to pilot this Team? Do you have an RB that can replace Davis? One plus you have going for you is that Edwards plays a bend but don't break defense which will allow you to move down the field, but then you're looking at FG's at best. Bottom line is that if you can't stop the run, and can't get to Vinny to hurry him into mistakes, then you're looking at a real long game. My gut feeling is that with Vinny at the Helm, Edwards will play it too conservative which will allow you to hang on for most of the game. Again I'm not here to talk crap, just to give an outsider's opinion. But hey, it's your team and you got to believe in them.

My prediction is....

Jets 30- Skins 20

skinswin'emALL

08-29-2003, 02:53 PM

MEMO TO JETS FANS: BEFORE Chad went down, your team had problems. (Talk about looking at your own team though rose coloered glasses). As an outsider who could care less about the Jets after the 1st game, I will tell you this:

The Jets D is in trouble, they want to play tight bump and run coverage but don't have the corners to do it.

The offence wants to throw deep and stretch the field, don't have a legit deep threat reciever. Vinny is vet with a strong arm with no one to throw deep to. At least with Chad you had a more acurate passer who could dink and dunk his way down the field.

Coles is gone and someone need to let Edwards know that Conway is NOT a deep threat anymore and Moss is as fragile a toothpick.

Oh by the way thanks for weapons:

Coles, Morten, Hall, and Thomas. Being an FSU fan I KNEW that Coles was s steal and that Peter Warrick was not a first round pick. I just can't believe the Skins got him! He will be awsome this year with a QB that can get the ball to him no matter how far he is down the field.

:smash:

ronnydynamic

08-29-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by skinswin'emALL
MEMO TO JETS FANS: BEFORE Chad went down, your team had problems. (Talk about looking at your own team though rose coloered glasses). As an outsider who could care less about the Jets after the 1st game, I will tell you this:

The Jets D is in trouble, they want to play tight bump and run coverage but don't have the corners to do it.

The offence wants to throw deep and stretch the field, don't have a legit deep threat reciever. Vinny is vet with a strong arm with no one to throw deep to. At least with Chad you had a more acurate passer who could dink and dunk his way down the field.

Coles is gone and someone need to let Edwards know that Conway is NOT a deep threat anymore and Moss is as fragile a toothpick.

Oh by the way thanks for weapons:

Coles, Morten, Hall, and Thomas. Being an FSU fan I KNEW that Coles was s steal and that Peter Warrick was not a first round pick. I just can't believe the Skins got him! He will be awsome this year with a QB that can get the ball to him no matter how far he is down the field.

:smash:

Are you really that blind? You think that little of Conway and the speed of Moss? I just hope the rest of the NFL believes that too. :cool:

BigCountry

08-29-2003, 03:32 PM

Moss and Conway are very good players, but our secondary has a clear advantege. The Jets running game is supposed to be good on paper but it didn't do damn thing last year and it's yet to be seen if Martin has fully recovered. IF we stack the box your recievers will dissapear but the big question will be who wins the downs where the Jets are gonna play power football and the Skins stack the box. If Martin can still run, the Jets could win, if he's stuffed, Conway and Moss can't beat Smoot and Bailey on single covarege so the Jets will be stuck and loose the game. With Dalton in and Trotter and Arrington playing behind a little more protection it could also be a long day for Curtis Martin and LaMont Jordan. It all depends on the battle between to very thin lines. On the other side of the ball I think Ramsey can pick apart this secondary but we'll need to double team Abraham from time to time. I don't see either Abraham or Beasley being able to cover Gardner 1 on 1 which could be the case. If the Skins can run the ball (Which doesn't look easy) then Coles and Gardner will have a field day. But that's only IF we can run.

skinswin'emALL

08-29-2003, 03:48 PM

John Clayton of ESPN had this to say about the Jets season:

"Face it, the Jets don't have a chance. They were in trouble even if Chad Pennington didn't break his left wrist. They face the league's toughest schedule, a .541 opponents' winning percentage and a league-high 12 games against quality opponents. They won the division with only nine wins last year. Losing four key players to the Redskins in free agency drained their depth. A first-to-worst scenario is likely." :p

Most teams will over game plan based on last year and have to put the breaks on in the 4th quarter so as not to run up the score.

BigCountry

08-29-2003, 03:51 PM

No opponnent can be taken lightly though. We're also a team with a huge amount of question marks and they can probably still run the football, and that's our biggest weakness on D.

JoeDaSchmoe

08-29-2003, 05:35 PM

I have to applaud you guys for being true fans. Every fan sees his team through rose colored glasses and after reading this thread I'm in amazement.

Our rose colored glasses have special rose-colored strobe lights and rose-colored backgrounds for added effect.

I'm not here to talk crap, but do you guys really think you can beat the Jets on opening day?

Heh, I like that, "I'm not here to talk crap, but...." Anyway, to answer your question with a question of my own (and, no, I'm not a Jewish mother), is the Pope Catholic?

True we lost Pennington which will help even the playing field, but Vinny is still a veteran QB.

Hell, we could say that about Rob Johnson, is that convincing to you? Actually, if you took Vinny's last four starts and compared them to Rob's last four starts (full games only), I don't think you'd like the numbers, even given the fact that at least one of Johnson's game was at the head of the vaunted, high-scoring Tampa Bay offense.

You guys have no way to stop our running game. You are dangerously thin at DT, We all know that without a presence in the middle it's almost impossible to stop the run.

That is, until we signed Martin Chase and Lionel Dalton. Now, instead of a band-aid on a gaping wound, it's more like a full first aid kit.

If you move 8 into the box to stop it, then that leaves a WR open in the secondary. If Moss or Chrebet lines up in the slot, who will stop them on 3rd down?

One can only imagine the horrors of the vaunted speedster Wayne Chrebet going up against Bowen or Ohalete. If Moss is in the slot, our safeties can just play deep while the LBs handle the underneaths. I'm sure you can imagine Moss being able to hold onto the ball with Arrington smacking him at full speed, but then again, we've all got our rose-colored glasses on.

On the other hand you do have two excellent DB's in Smoot and Bailey but is that enough?

To handle Curtis Conway and Wayne Chrebet? Do bears **** in the woods?

Do you have a fierce pass rush?

You've found our biggest weakness. Congratulations. I'm sure your solid right guard spot will hold up very nicely.....

Is Ramsey really ready to pilot this Team?

He did last year as a rookie. The team respects him as a leader.

Do you have an RB that can replace Davis?

At his level? Probably not. But do you have a QB that can replace Pennington at his level?

One plus you have going for you is that Edwards plays a bend but don't break defense which will allow you to move down the field, but then you're looking at FG's at best. Bottom line is that if you can't stop the run, and can't get to Vinny to hurry him into mistakes, then you're looking at a real long game.

Now that we've shored up our DTs, Curtis Martin strikes no fear in me. None. As for hurrying Vinny into mistakes, well, I'm sure you've heard of this thing called the blitz, it's when linebackers don't drop back into coverage, but rush the QB instead. And, oh, look who happens to have three stud linebackers on their team!

My gut feeling is that with Vinny at the Helm, Edwards will play it too conservative which will allow you to hang on for most of the game. Again I'm not here to talk crap, just to give an outsider's opinion. But hey, it's your team and you got to believe in them.

As opposed to lofting a deep ball to Conway and Chrebet while they're running against Smoot and Bailey? God, I hope he tries that a lot. A conservative approach would work better anyway, but I'm gonna love watching Santana Moss run those slants towards Arrington, Trotter, and Armstead. Oh, and Bowen's gotten himself a reputation for hits, too.

My prediction is....

Jets 30- Skins 20

I'd be amazed if the Jets scored more than 17 points. My guess:

Jets 14, Skins 24

hail2skins

08-29-2003, 05:43 PM

Excellent post JDS, I agree with you totally on every point.

ronnydynamic

08-29-2003, 08:16 PM

I give up. You guys are so blinded to think that you actually have a good team. There is no sense in trying to have an intelligent conversation here if you can't be objective. Look at the teams you beat last Year. That should tell you something. :p

Like I said before, you got to admire the faith you have in your team, but faith can be blind and in this case it is. You don't have to bother responding to this. I won't be back until after the game. If the Jets lose, I'll be the first one here to say congrats, but if they lose, don't be making any excuses. Take your medicine like a grown-up :cool:

See you next week!

rskinsfan10

08-29-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by ronnydynamic
There is no sense in trying to have an intelligent conversation here if you can't be objective.

An approach that many here took along time ago after visiting your board.:banghead:

BigCountry

08-29-2003, 08:32 PM

Kenny you're right about that, but not everyone here was objective. Some even irrational BUT Mr. Jets fan you're taking it a little bit too seriously.

skinswin'emALL

08-29-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by ronnydynamic
I give up. You guys are so blinded to think that you actually have a good team. There is no sense in trying to have an intelligent conversation here if you can't be objective. Look at the teams you beat last Year. That should tell you something. :p

Like I said before, you got to admire the faith you have in your team, but faith can be blind and in this case it is. You don't have to bother responding to this. I won't be back until after the game. If the Jets lose, I'll be the first one here to say congrats, but if they lose, don't be making any excuses. Take your medicine like a grown-up :cool:

See you next week!

Look at your own record last year 9-7. WOW! and that was with Coles, Morton, Hall and Thomas.............Oh yeah and Vinny the Vet helped too. Skins were 7-9 with Woeful and Mathews, no deep threat at WR, holes at O-guard, unreliable kicking and KR. I would like our chances if we had improved our team is some of those areas........WAIT......we did courtesy of the J-E-T-S!!

THANKS AGAIN :p

JoeDaSchmoe

08-29-2003, 10:02 PM

It bugs me when people try to claim that they're completely, utterly objective, but anyone who doesn't share their view isn't. What, in order to be unbiased we have to believe the Jets will win? That's ridiculous.

Personally, I'm amazed he can call himself objective when he says the Jets still have a good shot at the playoffs. There's been nothing but cries of doom from commentators since Pennington went down. At least a few experts give the Skins a chance.

kelly

08-29-2003, 11:34 PM

> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/xuntouch4blesx/vinnyavata3.gif

Keino

08-29-2003, 11:49 PM

Take them a game at a time.........

I predict 1-0.

The jets as mentioned before always start off slow on the defensive side of the ball. Vinny is a capable QB, but I doubt that there will be any type of Continuity established in 2 weeks. I aslo think that our defesive looks have been very Vanilla in pre-season and that we will have a good showing. Stopping the Jets Running game will be the key.

I havent looked beyond the Jets game......take em one at a time.

nyjunc

08-30-2003, 05:18 AM

Look at your own record last year 9-7. WOW! and that was with Coles, Morton, Hall and Thomas.............Oh yeah and Vinny the Vet helped too. Skins were 7-9 with Woeful and Mathews, no deep threat at WR, holes at O-guard, unreliable kicking and KR. I would like our chances if we had improved our team is some of those areas........WAIT......we did courtesy of the J-E-T-S!!

If you watched us last year you'd know the 9-7 record was deceptive, we were more like an 11 or 12 win team. The first 5 weeks we were ravaged by injury and trying to incorporate new players. Mawae, Fabini & Thomas were all playing hurt and Dave Szott didn't play until Dec, Curtis was badly hurt(had under 100 yds rushing through 1st 4 games), the D had 6 new starters plus our 2 best players hurt(Abe & Cowart). Once we got healthy and together on D we are a top 4 team in the league.

The jets as mentioned before always start off slow on the defensive side of the ball.

We have the last 2 years but 2 years ago we had a new coaching satff and implemented a new system and last year we had 6 new starters and our 2 best players hurting(Abe & Cowart). I don't think we'll have the slow start defensively that we;ve had the past 2 years.

I don't share Ronny's views on your team, I think if things break right you can be a playoff contender but I do agree w/ him in that we can definitely still be a playoff contender.

There's been nothing but cries of doom from commentators since Pennington went down.

If we gave up every time that happened then we would have missed out on a lot. The cries were there in '98 when we started 2-3 and we finished 12-4, the cries were there in '99 and Vinny and half the etam went down but we finished 8-8 just 1 game short of the playoffs, the cries were there after we lost parcells and Keyshawn and we went 9-7 1 game short of the playoffs, the cries were there in '01 when we started 3-3(w/ 2 big blowouts to Indy & SL) then we finished 10-6 and made the playoffs and the cried were there last year when we started 1-4, 2-5 yet still won the division. This team is very mentally tough and has been through and overcome adversity before, I expect nothing less this year.

skinswin'emALL

08-30-2003, 06:42 AM

I've always been impressed with the mental toughness of Jets over the past 5 years. In their division I always pull for them in those games (I can't stand Buffalo and Miami). LOVE seeing them break Dolphin fans hearts (I live in Orl, FL around many, many Mullet fans).

What I can't stand is when someone comes into a Skins forum and starts saying "I'm not hear to talk crap about your team, BUT......................." And proceeds to mention all the points that every media expert has already made over and over and over, WITHOUT mentioning the same points that the same media experts have pointed out about one's own team.

I am the first to admit that I look at my team though “Burgundy and Gold” colored glasses and that I am a "glass is half full, not half empty" kinda guy. But don’t come in accusing me of wearing my glasses in my comments and try to come off as though you are totally objective about your own team (Ronnie)

I have also sat in front of my TV routing for my Skins when they started 0-9 (1998), believing as a dye hard fan they can win. But if they don’t I’ll be there for them next week.

Burgundy & Gold :sun: