Green vs Monk HOF 2008

[hogs86]

Ok we all know DG is up for the NFL HOF next year.IMO he should be a slam dunk for the HOF.The question is you have the last vote and it will get Monk or Green in the NFL HOF who do you vote for.And why ? For me it would very hard but i have to go with DG.Outside of Sonny Jurgensen he is my all time favorite player.

[DCassain21]

well considering they play too different postions it would be hard to compare but i think i would go with monk because he's so over due to be there..... and green is my favorite player of all time

[HAWGZHEAD]

Monk. DG can wait a year.

[Lavar703]

What makes you think Green is a slam dunk, if the greatest reciever to wear the B&G cant make it. Trust me, Dr.Z and Peter King will have there reasons why DG shouldnt be in the hall of fame, and if somebody doesnt say something then, Im going to go insane, god i hate those two.

[smoak]

DG is not a slam dunk given the voters sophmoric ego.

[shally]

What makes you think Green is a slam dunk, if the greatest reciever to wear the B&G cant make it. Trust me, Dr.Z and Peter King will have there reasons why DG shouldnt be in the hall of fame, and if somebody doesnt say something then, Im going to go insane, god i hate those two.

true.. but the difference is that green has such a positive outgoing personality that is going to carry him through.. art's reticence has hurt him without question

[WarEagle]

I really like Darrell Green. I hope he gets into the HoF on the first ballot. Art should get in next year, too. Good luck to them both.

[ryflan47]

I love what Art Monk has done, but to be honest Darrell Green is arguably a top 5 best CB ever

[redskin_rich]

true.. but the difference is that green has such a positive outgoing personality that is going to carry him through.. art's reticence has hurt him without question
I have met both men and I can say that one carries himself in the same manner all the time, while the other doesn't. That is all I will say about that.

As far as the question in this thread goes, I say Monk. He is long overdue and Green will get in, without question. I cannot fathom an argument against Green.

[DCassain21]

wouldn't it be sweet if dg, grimm, and monk all make it in

[Da1QbnPaPi]

I love what Art Monk has done, but to be honest Darrell Green is arguably a top 5 best CB ever


top 5? try top 2....only Dieon you can argue about. Rod Woodson and Jimmy Johnson didnt play 20 years at a high level. Sanders can be argued b/c he was kinda of the missing peices to those super bowl teams he was on. And um Green has a appretice in Champ....Green taught Champ everything he knows. Sanders does too but we all know Champ is better than Deangelo Hall. And Btw going back to the Irvin facter everyone will say Sanders is number 1 b/c he is a trash talking flashy guy. I dont even have a top 5 I have a top 4. DG, Sanders, Jimmy Johnson, and then Woodson. Champ to be number 5 or 4 when career is done.

[bigcmr]

What makes you think Green is a slam dunk, if the greatest reciever to wear the B&G cant make it. Trust me, Dr.Z and Peter King will have there reasons why DG shouldnt be in the hall of fame, and if somebody doesnt say something then, Im going to go insane, god i hate those two.

I was ganna say the same thing. I have feeling D.Green is going to get screwed. Then we all might got insane.

[redskin_rich]

What makes you think Green is a slam dunk, if the greatest reciever to wear the B&G cant make it. Trust me, Dr.Z and Peter King will have there reasons why DG shouldnt be in the hall of fame, and if somebody doesnt say something then, Im going to go insane, god i hate those two.
Well, you will get some argument here on who the best WR in B&G was but that is for another day, another thread. The bottom line here is that Monk belongs in the HOF and is long overdue.
Green is among the top 3 ever at his position and changed the game. Darrell was the one that the term "shutdown corner" was created for.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I cannot fathom an argument against Green.
Could you fathom one against Monk 3 or 4 years after he retired?

[Red Bear]

id vote for monk. green seems virtually a lock to get in. both were my favorite redskins growing up

[garedskin]

top 5? try top 2....only Dieon you can argue about. Rod Woodson and Jimmy Johnson didnt play 20 years at a high level. Sanders can be argued b/c he was kinda of the missing peices to those super bowl teams he was on. And um Green has a appretice in Champ....Green taught Champ everything he knows. Sanders does too but we all know Champ is better than Deangelo Hall. And Btw going back to the Irvin facter everyone will say Sanders is number 1 b/c he is a trash talking flashy guy. I dont even have a top 5 I have a top 4. DG, Sanders, Jimmy Johnson, and then Woodson. Champ to be number 5 or 4 when career is done.



I have lived in the Atlanta metro area since 1989 ds rookie season.People claim that he was a "shut down corner" b/s there has never and never will be one of those in the NFL.The talent is just to good at this level.
I am telling you this DG hands down was a better cb than ds ever hoped to be.
The one compelling thing for me and always will be is how they faired against the greatest WR I ever saw play..........Jerry Rice.
DG always lined up man for man on JR on either side of the field.
ds DID NOT.For some very odd reason he did not cover him even most of the time while he was in Atlanta.Now how can anyone say he was this myth type of a player.Hell all anyone has to do is ask JR himself who he had a tougher time playing against.
No one shut down JR but bringing him down after he made the catch was vital to keeping him from just dominating your defence.DG for the most part was able to do just that,ds never could.
I do believe DG is going to get screwed next year when they announce the new HOF class as well as Art Monk and Russ Grimm yet again.:Peace:

[The_Sonny_Of_Sammy]

Cris Carter and Andre Reed are eligible next year, too. I have a bad feeling with their stats and the fact they aren't lifetime Redskins, those great HOF voters will leave out Monk and Green.

[Canuck]

The argument to keep out Monk I can almost understand, especially when you try and compare his statistics to modern era receivers who get the benefit of new pass happy rules. What hurts Monk is not many people outside of DC would call him one of the 10 best all time receivers (I certainly would though).

There is no valid argument to keep Green out. I don't know of anyone who wouldn't list Green among the 10 best all time corners or even among 5 best all time corners (he's #1 in my books).

So if I was a betting man I vote the Green gets in on the first ballot and Monk has a 50/50 shot next year.

[OCSkinzFan]

F the HOF
I don't care what they do.
Why anyone would want to be recognized by these mindless B-female dogs...that never even played a down in their life...:banghead:

[Lavar703]

Cris Carter and Andre Reed are eligible next year, too. I have a bad feeling with their stats and the fact they aren't lifetime Redskins, those great HOF voters will leave out Monk and Green.

you are talking about Chris Carter and Andre Reed when you say not lifetime Redskins correct, hell we could celebrate a little if Andre Reed gets in, dont forget he wore the B&G too. But if you were talking about DG, he was a lifetime redskin.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I'd vote for Monk right now only because he's long overdue. I don't know about Green being a slam dunk HOF'er, either. The whole process is one big hipocracy and I think they need to redue the whole thing. I would feel like a homer but if Monk's peers and many people that played against him echo how much of a travesty it is that he isn't in the Hall, then something is wrong. How the voters continue to screw Monk year after year just gets me upset just thinking about it. (Sorry about that. I had to get that out of my system)

Moving on, if Monk and Green were both in their first year of eligibility, I might lean towards Green. But I would concede that Green will get in.....one day and vote Monk for now.

[frankez99]

It is so sad that this debate even has to take place....Monk should have been in a long time ago...he still has more catches than anybody currently in.

DG.....the epitome of a "slam dunk"....my goodness....no argument about that.

Monk....the epitome of a "slam dunk"...but some don't agree.....I don't get it. There has only been ONE Monk.....Micheal Irvins' are a dime a dozen.

If it means anything to you guys and gals....Monk is in MY hall of fame.

Hail.

[santanadasavior]

To be realistic, Monk is not going to make it next year because they hate to vote two players of the same team in and DG is a slam dunk. That being said, I would have the best August if I were there to see them both be inducted. Does anyone know what their competetion is in terms of newcomers.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

It is a great honor for a guy to be a first ballot HOF, so I hope DG gets that distinction.

[betterczechyourself]

Both need to be inducted. Immediately.

[bergiemoore]

Neither will be inducted. Anti-skins sentiment runs high w/ the 40 oligarchs of the HOF. Look for DG to be a 3 - 4 year wait. Monk won't make it in until there is significant turnover on the selection committee.

[lakewinola]

Seeing how Dr Z does not even mention DG in his discussions of the best CB ever, I doubt that he will garner enough votes, and I would be suprised if Dr Z doesnt campaign against him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2006/02/03/drz.qa/index.html

[Ibleedburgundy]

I'd go with Art Monk purely because he has seniority. Otherwise, this is like asking "who do you like better, your Mom or your Dad?"

[bergiemoore]

Seeing how Dr Z does not even mention DG in his discussions of the best CB ever, I doubt that he will garner enough votes, and I would be suprised if Dr Z doesnt campaign against him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2006/02/03/drz.qa/index.html

That link is evil. There is some flawed logic in that man's brain-pan.

[Farmer Ted]

That link is evil. There is some flawed logic in that man's brain-pan.

It doesn't surprise me at all. Dr. Z is just working out his campaign speech now. I expect to hear a lot of stuff like "Sure, he had blazing speed, but the only reason he was able to play so long was because he did everything he could to avoid contact. Does anyone remember Green making any great open-field tackles? And he's far down on the list of interceptions....."

I bet Darryl doesn't get in the HoF until after Deion goes in. Dr. Z has clearly laid the tracks for his railroading.


In other news, PKing had a column a couple weeks ago where he was laying the groundwork for keeping Marvin Harrison out of the HoF....

[ChiefPowhatan17]

DG is definitely a first ballot Hall of Famer , but I think they should both get in next year.

That would be great if Monk, Grimm, and Green go in as 3 of the 6 for 2008. I know it would never happen with the bias of the media against the SKINS, but it's a nice wish.

[Phonte]

If Darrell isn't a first ballot HOF'er then someone might seriously burn that building down. That is an evil question, but I'd accept Darrell before Art. It's hard to judge a CB vs a WR.

Next year we could have two Skins in though! (actually that scares me... I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a problem with that)

[Keino]

If Darrell isn't a first ballot HOF'er then someone might seriously burn that building down. That is an evil question, but I'd accept Darrell before Art. It's hard to judge a CB vs a WR.

Next year we could have two Skins in though! (actually that scares me... I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a problem with that)


I don't know if you are the Phonte from the group Little Brother, but it you are, I am feelin your flow and lyrics.

That joint on AZ's album, everything on the LB and DJ Drama album....pure hottness.

Sorry, thats an Off topic post, but I've been meaning to say that to you for a while now.

[BandWagon]

Hey did anyone here Czabe this morning with Adam Shafter? I had to get into the office before it came on, but Czabe was vowing to let loose on this guy about Monk.

[HanburgerBum]

Which would you vote in, if you have the last vote that will either put Darrel Green in or Art Monk in? That is incredibly tough, because we all know that as the years pass, Art's chances are getting slimmer for two reasons.

1) Voting members become younger and some may not have seen him play.

2) The new rules have made passing far easier than in Art's time. So, there will be many more receivers with gaudy stats coming up.

But, despite that, I would have to cast that vote for DG. Why? Because I think the HOF is about who deserves it more. There can not be any dispute about Darrell's greatness. He was superb for 18 out of his 20 years and still played well into his 40's. He was a true "shut down" corner. And, unlike Deion, he was not afraid to come up to support the run despite his size.

To me, DG was a greater player than Art Monk. I have been angry that Art hasn't made it. But, if Darrell doesn't make it on the first ballot, I would be SUPER PISSED!

[halter91]

If they both get in I'm definately going! I think DG should get in for sure and hopefully they will let Monk go in. If they screw him again, I say we protest. I'll be there for DG but have my 81 jersey on.

:sfight:

Halter>PK and LP

[Miller Time]

top 5? try top 2....only Dieon you can argue about. Rod Woodson and Jimmy Johnson didnt play 20 years at a high level. Sanders can be argued b/c he was kinda of the missing peices to those super bowl teams he was on. And um Green has a appretice in Champ....Green taught Champ everything he knows. Sanders does too but we all know Champ is better than Deangelo Hall. And Btw going back to the Irvin facter everyone will say Sanders is number 1 b/c he is a trash talking flashy guy. I dont even have a top 5 I have a top 4. DG, Sanders, Jimmy Johnson, and then Woodson. Champ to be number 5 or 4 when career is done.

Ok, now we're getting carried away. 2nd best corner ever? I think Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, and Champ Bailey would have something to say about that. I loved DG, have his autograph, but I don't think he's a shoe in for the hof. I'd say he's close if not top 5 caliber, but let's not go crazy.

[akhhorus]

Ok, now we're getting carried away. 2nd best corner ever? I think Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, and Champ Bailey would have something to say about that. I loved DG, have his autograph, but I don't think he's a shoe in for the hof. I'd say he's close if not top 5 caliber, but let's not go crazy.

Champ bailey is not even in the top 10 ever discussion. No way, no how.

[Miller Time]

Champ bailey is not even in the top 10 ever discussion. No way, no how.

Why not? I'm talking about when it's all said and done he will be. You can't argue his current dominance.

[akhhorus]

Why not? I'm talking about when it's all said and done he will be. You can't argue his current dominance.

He's been very good with the Broncos, but he still chokes in big games. Unless he takes the next step and becomes Deion Sanders in his prime, he still won't be in the top 10. He still has to get past Woodson, Sanders, blount, Night Train Lane, Aeanas Williams, Adderly, Mike Haynes, Green...guys who were very good for a LONG time. His biggest problem is that Champ never really had any dominating seasons with the skins(and maybe had 2 very good ones), and has had at most 2 very good seasons with the Broncos. He needs to have at least 5 more great seasons to even be in the discussion with the top ever. And he'll be 29 at the start of the season, and should be starting to break down physically before that long.