Rumor: Plummer to Texans, Carr Out

[ryflan47]

For what it's worth...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/02/07/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?eref=si_nfl

[shally]

For what it's worth...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/02/07/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?eref=si_nfl

makes some sense because of the kubiak/plummer connection.. or at least we will get some reading of what kubiak thinks of plummer

[ryflan47]

makes some sense because of the kubiak/plummer connection.. or at least we will get some reading of what kubiak thinks of plummer

While I still think that Plummer is capable of starting in this league, I think that Carr is as well. The Texans have bigger problems to address.

[Vonslydog]

If you read the actual Houston Chronicle article, it certainly doesn't read like the SI snippet. It's just some blogger's speculation.
I may be wrong — I often am, of course — about what I've been writing and broadcasting and blogging since December: I think David Carr will be traded, and Jake Plummer will be the Texans quarterback next season. Plummer will compete with Sage Rosenfels and a rookie Gary Kubiak wants to develop.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/02/redskins_fans_wear_dresses_hog_1.html
Pretty sketchy "reporting" by SI on this one, and it isn't the first time.

[SkinsKY]

I never really understood why people seem to think Plummer is decent QB. He had one good season in Denver and everybody seems to be willing to write off his time in Arizona, assuming it wasn't his fault. Plummer is nothing more than an average QB as his career 74.6 Qb rating suggests. Bringing him in improves nothing about the Texans.

[Sharpshooter]

Correct me if I am wrong, But David Carr had higher statistics than Jake Plummer, and was on a decidedly worse team overall...And how's this for an endorsement on the Ol' bearded snake: Shannahan benches him for Cutler with the team vying for the playoffs...bad move if i'm the Texans.

[ryflan47]

I never really understood why people seem to think Plummer is decent QB. He had one good season in Denver and everybody seems to be willing to write off his time in Arizona, assuming it wasn't his fault. Plummer is nothing more than an average QB as his career 74.6 Qb rating suggests. Bringing him in improves nothing about the Texans.

He's a rich man's Rex Grossman.

[SkinsKY]

He's a rich man's Rex Grossman.

That doesn't make him any more tempting. find a way to get Schaub if you don't want to draft someone.

[Sharpshooter]

That doesn't make him any more tempting. find a way to get Schaub if you don't want to draft someone.
I dont' see why they are so down on Carr...we was on a lousy team. They need to upgrade talent on almost every position on the team, save maybe reciever...bringing plummer in will solve nothing. like I said above, Shannahan ditched him with the team on the verge of the postseason...what do you think will happen in Houston?

[ryflan47]

That doesn't make him any more tempting. find a way to get Schaub if you don't want to draft someone.

Oh, I'm not trying to dangle him like a donut on a treadmill. He's an average QB who plays just as good as the team surrounding him. Put him on a playoff team and he'll take them to the playoffs. Put him on a crappy team and he'll keep them in the cellar.

[shally]

I dont' see why they are so down on Carr...we was on a lousy team. They need to upgrade talent on almost every position on the team, save maybe reciever...bringing plummer in will solve nothing. like I said above, Shannahan ditched him with the team on the verge of the postseason...what do you think will happen in Houston?

that said, kubiak has a lot of experience with qb's. if he thinks that carr is not the answer, i think the front office has to respect that.

is plummer the answer ? history would tend to say no. but kubiak knows him from denver and i think the front office respects that as well.

still, even if they ditch carr in favor of plummer, they need to develop a qb behind jake

[shally]

That doesn't make him any more tempting. find a way to get Schaub if you don't want to draft someone.

schaub is not going to come cheap-- if at all.. you got to figure that atlanta and petrino are going to hedge their bets seriously on vick-- if not trade him outright..i do not see any way they trade schaub unless they are given an offer that is simply too good to turn down.. after all, they are the team that decided that farve was not the answer either and traded him for a second rounder.. that kind of collective memory has to still be there in atlanta.

my guess is that they have seen enough of vick to decide upon him.. i am not sure they feel the same way about schaub..

[Sharpshooter]

that said, kubiak has a lot of experience with qb's. if he thinks that carr is not the answer, i think the front office has to respect that.

is plummer the answer ? history would tend to say no. but kubiak knows him from denver and i think the front office respects that as well.

still, even if they ditch carr in favor of plummer, they need to develop a qb behind jake
Kubiak does have alot of exp. But I think Plummer is who he is, and at this point in his career he won't change, regardless of who the coach is...plus as a side note, when things go bad, which is will, Is he going to pout and flip off the fans for letting him know he's a goof?? It may be just me but I don't like the guys attitude, let alone his game. if that's how he acts on the field, what's he like in the locker room...I'd distance myself from Plummer if I were them...as you said though, I agree that they should definetly groom somebody regardless...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I dont' see why they are so down on Carr...we was on a lousy team. They need to upgrade talent on almost every position on the team, save maybe reciever...bringing plummer in will solve nothing. like I said above, Shannahan ditched him with the team on the verge of the postseason...what do you think will happen in Houston?
Carr was frustratingly bad at the end of the season. We all remember how well he started. Here is how his last 8 games went starting from week 17.

86 yds, 1 INT, 0TD
163, 0, 1
127, 4, 0
140, 0, 0
32, 0, 0 (32 yds. is not a misprint and he played the whole game)
321, 1, 1
223, 1, 0
167, 0, 0
176, 0, 0

Dreadful numbers in the second half of the season.

[Sharpshooter]

I'm not trying to say that Carr is the answer, but I am saying 2 things: 1: It wasn't all his fault, but the blame always falls on the QB, and secondly, Plummer is as bad or worse, given his limited ability and Visibly poor attitude. I feel a different FA and someone to groom is the best way to go if the consensus is that Carr is finished as a Texan...

[ace4ever]

I think Carr is gone, regardless of what happens with this Plummer situation. Carr hasn't played great but the Texans aren't exactly a championship caliber team. In fact, any QB would look sorry with that o-line protecting him.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I think Carr is gone, regardless of what happens with this Plummer situation. Carr hasn't played great but the Texans aren't exactly a championship caliber team. In fact, any QB would look sorry with that o-line protecting him.
The thing with Carr is at some point, the guy is not going to lead your team to where you want to go. It's not that he can't be a starter in the NFL, but I think his time is up in Houston. They may just need a fresh look behind center to move forward. And a change would probably be best for Carr as well.

[Redskin4Life]

So where will Carr end up?

Carr to the Bears??? Carr to the Jags??? Carr to the Phins??? Carr to the Saints (while Brees recoups)???

[LATrueRedskin]

Another smart move by the Texans if it pans out. :rolleyes: You'd think Casserly is still GM after hearing about a move like this.

[The_Sonny_Of_Sammy]

Those teams and their QB controversies drive me crazy. Year after year, can't make up their minds who the starters are. Bring in veterans and sitting down young guns who just need some experience. I'm glad our team.......oh wait.....nevermind.:rolleyes:

[silverspring]

I don't know if carr is that good but plummer isn't going to be much better if better at all. What do they reall expect with the team around him. And isn't their offensive line swiss cheese? Carr is serving as scapegoat imo.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Those teams and their QB controversies drive me crazy. Year after year, can't make up their minds who the starters are. Bring in veterans and sitting down young guns who just need some experience. I'm glad our team.......oh wait.....nevermind.:rolleyes:
Carr has had a lot of chance though. In fact when discussing JC earlier in the year, I implored our FO to have the same amount of patience with JC as Houston has had with Carr. After 5 years as starter, he has only shown the ability to be inconsistent. Five years starting is a long time in this league.

I think Houston has demonstrated enough patience with Carr, and I certainly couldn't blame them if they made a switch.

[shally]

I don't know if carr is that good but plummer isn't going to be much better if better at all. What do they reall expect with the team around him. And isn't their offensive line swiss cheese? Carr is serving as scapegoat imo.

at least plummer can get out of the way of a pass rush.. carr not so much

[shally]

Carr has had a lot of chance though. In fact when discussing JC earlier in the year, I implored our FO to have the same amount of patience with JC as Houston has had with Carr. After 5 years as starter, he has only shown the ability to be inconsistent. Five years starting is a long time in this league.

I think Houston has demonstrated enough patience with Carr, and I certainly couldn't blame them if they made a switch.


then they need to re draft a qb.. plummer is no long term solution

[akhhorus]

That doesn't make him any more tempting. find a way to get Schaub if you don't want to draft someone.

Don't think Schaub is going anywhere unless you offer a fortune to atlanta. Petrino's declarations about Vick's role and increased role in audibling makes me think that he's setting Vick up to fail after this season, put it all on him, then trade him and start Schaub. Petrino really can't lose if he does that.

[shally]

Don't think Schaub is going anywhere unless you offer a fortune to atlanta. Petrino's declarations about Vick's role and increased role in audibling makes me think that he's setting Vick up to fail after this season, put it all on him, then trade him and start Schaub. Petrino really can't lose if he does that.

i totally agree about atlanta and schaub.. only question will be what they have to pay schaub to keep him because he knows he will hit it big with his next contract.. they will need to get out from under vick's contract.. not sure how the cap hit can be managed, but i expect the falcons to dump vick sooner or later..

[Red Bear]

Don't think Schaub is going anywhere unless you offer a fortune to atlanta. Petrino's declarations about Vick's role and increased role in audibling makes me think that he's setting Vick up to fail after this season, put it all on him, then trade him and start Schaub. Petrino really can't lose if he does that.

Schaub is a restricted free agent, he can be had for a poison pill contract and a draft pick(or two) depending on the tender. Also, not saying i believe it, but its possible giving vick the ability to change plays will allow him to do what he does best, freelance. But then again, it could be a message to Vick to either improve his quarterbacking or lose his job.

About plummer, he will never be a great QB, but he did win games in Kubiaks system and understands what kubiak expects from a QB. The biggest difference between kubiak/plummer in denver to kubiak/plummer in houston would be the offensive lines and the running game. and if you wanted to you could probably get into defense and turnovers and field position and stuff.

[akhhorus]

Schaub is a restricted free agent, he can be had for a poison pill contract and a draft pick(or two) depending on the tender. Also, not saying i believe it, but its possible giving vick the ability to change plays will allow him to do what he does best, freelance. But then again, it could be a message to Vick to either improve his quarterbacking or lose his job.

They(any team who wants Schaub) would have to give up a 1st and a 3rd if they did that, the Falcons could just refuse to negotiate with any team about compensation and force them to pony up two high picks for a QB who is unproven. I don't see any team giving up that much for Schaub. And there's a difference between free lancing and changing out of a bad play because you recognize the defense is set to stop it. Vick hasn't shown enough Qb ability or intelligence to pull of the latter. That takes more than running ability or free lancing ability to pull that off. Of course its Petrino setting Vick up for failure. If Vick succeeds, Petrino looks like a genius for finally "fixing" Vick as a Qb, if he fails, they dump him with less complaining from the fans. Its win-win for Petrino.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I'd take Carr with an Oline over Plummer with an Oline 9 times out of 10...but maybe that's just me.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

What is the point of switching from Carr, who will not lead a team to the Super Bowl, to Plummer, who will not lead a team to the Super Bowl?
At least Carr has only failed for 5 years straight and is 27...Plummer has failed 9 years out of 10 and is 32 years old..
If I were the Texans, I would stick with Carr until a REAL quarterback is available..either through the draft or through free agency (like Brees).

[Sharpshooter]

I'd take Carr with an Oline over Plummer with an Oline 9 times out of 10...but maybe that's just me.
I won't say that David Carr hasn't had quite a while to establish himself as a reliable starter, but The Texas have put together a hodgepodge of a team. I liken it some way to Patrick Ramsey's scenario. Spurrier screwed that kid up, he took a brutal pounding, his teammates on offense were crap (Canidate, Gardner, Coles, the list goes on) I have actually seen good things out of Carr but maybe he needs a new team, it's just that time. I like I said in an earlier post, Plummer is who he is...mediocre. Sure, he can roll out and all this, but so what? Shannahan gave him the keys to a playoff franchise, and he choked...so Kubiak or not. the proof is in the pudding. guys that have been in the league as long as him it's so surprise what you are going to end up with.

[shally]

I won't say that David Carr hasn't had quite a while to establish himself as a reliable starter, but The Texas have put together a hodgepodge of a team. I liken it some way to Patrick Ramsey's scenario. Spurrier screwed that kid up, he took a brutal pounding, his teammates on offense were crap (Canidate, Gardner, Coles, the list goes on) I have actually seen good things out of Carr but maybe he needs a new team, it's just that time. I like I said in an earlier post, Plummer is who he is...mediocre. Sure, he can roll out and all this, but so what? Shannahan gave him the keys to a playoff franchise, and he choked...so Kubiak or not. the proof is in the pudding. guys that have been in the league as long as him it's so surprise what you are going to end up with.

you are right about one thing for certain.. it is time for carr to move to another franchise.. maybe he can be another dilfer ? or brad johnson.. or gannon ?
but for sure, he wont get it done in houston.. time to move on.. that makes it 3 for 3 flameouts with the top 3 picks for qb that year.. carr, harrington, ramsey..

[RedskinRyan]

http://cbs4denver.com/sports/local_story_053192200.html

jake plummer considering retirement, not many people considering care

[HanburgerBum]

that said, kubiak has a lot of experience with qb's. if he thinks that carr is not the answer, i think the front office has to respect that.

is plummer the answer ? history would tend to say no. but kubiak knows him from denver and i think the front office respects that as well.

still, even if they ditch carr in favor of plummer, they need to develop a qb behind jake


Shally, do you remember last year's draft when a lot of folks thought that if the Texans were to pass on Reggie Bush, Vince Young would make a lot of sense for that team? Houston was and is dreadful. So, why not draft a dynamic, home-grown QB like Young to develop for the future?

Casserly announced that the Texans were happy with Carr. How bad does it look now that Houston passed up Young?

[shally]

Shally, do you remember last year's draft when a lot of folks thought that if the Texans were to pass on Reggie Bush, Vince Young would make a lot of sense for that team? Houston was and is dreadful. So, why not draft a dynamic, home-grown QB like Young to develop for the future?

Casserly announced that the Texans were happy with Carr. How bad does it look now that Houston passed up Young?

yup... casserly's legacy just keeps getting better and better..