Redskins One Is Warming Up

[hogs86]

Lets have some fun.Free agency is less then five days away.So who will redskins one pick up first my predition is London Fletcher.So you are the pilot
were is this plane going next ? :)


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[Emmanouel8]

Hopefully it goes to a qualified GM's house.

[FanFromArizona]

I hope it's going to Tampa Bay to pick up DeWayne White. And then to Philedelphia for Juqua Thomas and Rod Hood, head west to Cincinnati for Eric Steinbach and then finish the trip to Buffalo for Fletcher(we won't be able to afford Clements, who will be heading due west to SF).

Give me the best LDE of the 2, Dock's replacement, and a low-cost, highly productive MLB/CB in free agency and draft Branch, and I'll be a happy camper.

and for the record, tell Smoot to swim down the Lake until it lands him in Landover.

[skinsfaninva]

We will be flying north at a cruising altitude of 30,000 ft and landing in Buffalo where the temperature is a balmy 2 degrees with 8 feet of snow. The packages to pick up are:

1. London Fletcher
2. Chris Kelsay
3. Clements

Buffalo will be this years New York Jets.

[joethefan]

Hopefully it goes to a qualified GM's house.


WOW that's the first thought I had when I finished reading the question.

[shally]

fletcher

we will visit with clements but he is going to test the waters for at least a week or so..

if dock walks then the next will be a guard

i would love to snatch shiancoe, but i do not think that will happen right away

so the big surprise is that we will only sign fletcher in the first couple of days

hood would also be on the wish list

[Emmanouel8]

WOW that's the first thought I had when I finished reading the question.


Yeah, I'm not exactly getting fired up about any acquisition these days. I want to see results, not splashes. Snyder should take a page from the Wizards organization and invest in someone like Grunfeld, and quit kidding himself.

[shally]

Yeah, I'm not exactly getting fired up about any acquisition these days. I want to see results, not splashes. Snyder should take a page from the Wizards organization and invest in someone like Grunfeld, and quit kidding himself.

that is simply not going to happen

for the last time ( i hope) GIBBS like the system of player aquisition here. unless he changes his mind, we simply are not going to have a true GM

wishing it so will not make it happen.. better that we wish that gibbs' judgment about players is spot on

[joethefan]

that is simply not going to happen

for the last time ( i hope) GIBBS like the system of player aquisition here. unless he changes his mind, we simply are not going to have a true GM

wishing it so will not make it happen.. better that we wish that gibbs' judgment about players is spot on

well don't gt too excited....we may win 8 games....this formula they have has not worked since snyder bought the team......even with Joe, so it would seem like after all this dissapointment he would want to change things but clearly this formula is not working....

[Emmanouel8]

that is simply not going to happen

for the last time ( i hope) GIBBS like the system of player aquisition here. unless he changes his mind, we simply are not going to have a true GM

wishing it so will not make it happen.. better that we wish that gibbs' judgment about players is spot on


I don't know too many head coaches that do like a GM over their heads. If Snyder was interested in winning he shouold realize that Gibbs won with one over his. Cerrato doesn't count. Just my humble opinion.

[joethefan]

I don't know too many head coaches that do like a GM over their heads. If Snyder was interested in winning he shouold realize that Gibbs won with one over his. Cerrato doesn't count. Just my humble opinion.

Joe knew what the formula was...now whether he's allowed danny to manipulate him...that's whole different story....when this league gets 4 coaches that have won SB's like JOE and Danny are doing it, then I'll be ready to have a conversation about the way we're doing it.

[Emmanouel8]

Joe knew what the formula was...now whether he's allowed danny to manipulate him...that's whole different story....when this league gets 4 coaches that have won SB's like JOE and Danny are doing it, then I'll be ready to have a conversation about the way we're doing it.


There's no way a system with no long term vision will pan out 4 super bowls within any reasonable amount of time. It will be a few hits and a lot of misses just like we've seen the last few years. They came in with a 3 year plan and it failed so now they're doing numerous quick fixes to accomplish nothing.

Let the plane fly where it wants too, I won't really care till it lands with a Lombardi trophy or a legit GM.

[shally]

There's no way a system with no long term vision will pan out 4 super bowls within any reasonable amount of time. It will be a few hits and a lot of misses just like we've seen the last few years. They came in with a 3 year plan and it failed so now they're doing numerous quick fixes to accomplish nothing.

Let the plane fly where it wants too, I won't really care till it lands with a Lombardi trophy or a legit GM.

considering how quickly the saints became a power in one offseason we could rebound nicely with a decent off season

[joethefan]

There's no way a system with no long term vision will pan out 4 super bowls within any reasonable amount of time. It will be a few hits and a lot of misses just like we've seen the last few years. They came in with a 3 year plan and it failed so now they're doing numerous quick fixes to accomplish nothing.

Let the plane fly where it wants too, I won't really care till it lands with a Lombardi trophy or a legit GM.

NO I mean 4 different coaches that win SB's in the manner we are doing it ...sorry...

[Emmanouel8]

NO I mean 4 different coaches that win SB's in the manner we are doing it ...sorry...

No prob same answer. No way!

Shally I understand where you're coming from about turning it around quickly but I don't see that happening here with someone capable of truly evaluating talent and needs.

[shally]

No prob same answer. No way!

Shally I understand where you're coming from about turning it around quickly but I don't see that happening here with someone capable of truly evaluating talent and needs.

then i guess you have to ask yourself whether the team from 2 years ago that went 2 games into the playoffs or the one last year that was awfull, is going to be more accurate in predicting next year ?

we were a couple of plays from going to the superbowl 2 years ago. and that was with a totally worn down qb and a banged up runner..

it does not take a lot to imagine that with some talent infused that next years team could be right back up there. my point about the saints only illustrates how far and how fast teams can rebound.. by any measure, the saints of 2 years ago were far worse than last year's skins.. if they can do it, so can we.. it is not just pie in the sky, that is the way the nfl functions in the age of parity

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If I'm the pilot this is where I'm going:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2618/borabora20lagoonyg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[joethefan]

then i guess you have to ask yourself whether the team from 2 years ago that went 2 games into the playoffs or the one last year that was awfull, is going to be more accurate in predicting next year ?

we were a couple of plays from going to the superbowl 2 years ago. and that was with a totally worn down qb and a banged up runner..

it does not take a lot to imagine that with some talent infused that next years team could be right back up there. my point about the saints only illustrates how far and how fast teams can rebound.. by any measure, the saints of 2 years ago were far worse than last year's skins.. if they can do it, so can we.. it is not just pie in the sky, that is the way the nfl functions in the age of parity

the problem is that Joe may have felt that he was under so much pressure and that, that year wasn't as successful....(Crazy) But the thing is as long as we lookk at FA as our way of getting depth...we're gonna keep bringing in the B Lloyss and Archulettas of the league, and making it to the playofs every two to three years...which provides no stability....

I tell you this, if Joe doesn't at least get to the NFC Championship game this year...either he or someone else is gonna is gonna be forced out....and it probably won't be him...but he'll force someone else out....then when Danny finally sees the light and bring in a GM, within two years then we'll make a run for the SB.

[hail2skins]

Gibbs is in the same position that Marty was in. The only difference is Snyder is not going to pull the plug (take GM duties away) on Gibbs as fast as he did with Marty. He would be slaughtered by the media even though it could be the right thing to do. Gibbs checked his ego when he bought in Sauders and turned the offense over to him. We know the issues that are there. A better check of his ego would be if he could decide he needs a GM and get this, give him the power he needs to be an effective GM.

[NamVet4]

This is a great thread! The debate among us has always been about the FO vs. the Coaches vs. the Players and how it all comes together.
Shally is right… in the age of parity and FA movement, team composition and the resultant team chemistry change every year. Emmanouel8 is right… finding real talent is the key and it requires a long term vision as the talent develops over time. So, it begs the question: Will the Redskins return to Glory this year? In order to answer the question our Beloved Team needs to make a commitment. IMHO it is a blend of the two approaches. The next question is: who is the “cook” who makes the recipe for the blend? Right now, I am inclined to go with what is in place. Coach Gibbs has shown throughout his career that he can adapt. His game time adjustment skills are legendary. If Redskins One is out bound, let’s hope it is for that impact player that we all hope for (Though around here that could be one of twenty different players ;) based on whose thread you read.) For me personally, if Spicy is the pilot…I’m right there with you! :)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is a great thread! The debate among us has always been about the FO vs. the Coaches vs. the Players and how it all comes together.
Shally is right… in the age of parity and FA movement, team composition and the resultant team chemistry change every year. Emmanouel8 is right… finding real talent is the key and it requires a long term vision as the talent develops over time. So, it begs the question: Will the Redskins return to Glory this year? In order to answer the question our Beloved Team needs to make a commitment. IMHO it is a blend of the two approaches. The next question is: who is the “cook” who makes the recipe for the blend? Right now, I am inclined to go with what is in place. Coach Gibbs has shown throughout his career that he can adapt. His game time adjustment skills are legendary. If Redskins One is out bound, let’s hope it is for that impact player that we all hope for (Though around here that could be one of twenty different players ;) based on whose thread you read.) For me personally, if Spicy is the pilot…I’m right there with you! :)
Hop on my very very wise friend! There's room for all of us in Bora Bora!

[shally]

Gibbs is in the same position that Marty was in. The only difference is Snyder is not going to pull the plug (take GM duties away) on Gibbs as fast as he did with Marty. He would be slaughtered by the media even though it could be the right thing to do. Gibbs checked his ego when he bought in Sauders and turned the offense over to him. We know the issues that are there. A better check of his ego would be if he could decide he needs a GM and get this, give him the power he needs to be an effective GM.

honestly, i think gibbs would give up being HC before he would give up being chief of personnel (GM without contract negotiating rsponsibility).

do you really disagree with that ??

[hail2skins]

Hey Spicy, can we take a short detour to Vegas for a day or two before heading to the island. :D

[hail2skins]

honestly, i think gibbs would give up being HC before he would give up being chief of personnel (GM without contract negotiating rsponsibility).

do you really disagree with that ??That is my point. Can he live with having someone as his equal after having all the power.

[shally]

Hey Spicy, can we take a short detour to Vegas for a day or two before heading to the island. :D

we do that and you might be arriving wearing only your shorts... or less...

[smoak]

that is simply not going to happen

for the last time ( i hope) GIBBS like the system of player aquisition here. unless he changes his mind, we simply are not going to have a true GM

wishing it so will not make it happen.. better that we wish that gibbs' judgment about players is spot on

Yeah I'm with you... Except that I am in the minority that likes the current system and except for a few misses, I think it has been great. The hits have far exceeded our misses and I'm hoping we get back on track this season. Plus, our glaring strikeouts in FA will have an opportunity to redeem themselves if they are on the roster next season.

[shally]

Yeah I'm with you... Except that I am in the minority that likes the current system and except for a few misses, I think it has been great. The hits have far exceeded our misses and I'm hoping we get back on track this season. Plus, our glaring strikeouts in FA will have an opportunity to redeem themselves if they are on the roster next season.

if both arch and lloyd have only decent seasons this coming year that will change a lot of the perceptions about the skins front office.

i am not quite as charitable as you in my assessment, chiefly because of the bottom line nature of this business. we need to go deep into the playoffs this year before they get a pat on the back. still, i do not believe it is a bleak as some would have people believe

[Brokenstriker]

If I'm the pilot this is where I'm going:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2618/borabora20lagoonyg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

that clinches it for me ... Spicy for GM!

[shally]

That is my point. Can he live with having someone as his equal after having all the power.

he did that with beathard at the start and eventually found it to be unsatisfactory.

my guess is that he retires fully before ceding overall responsibility for personnel to someone else.

coaching is another matter. he has already laid the groundwork for his eventual move out of active coaching.. circumstances will determine when that will happen

[Red Bear]

Ok, so like when the dolphins were searching for a coach, Florio over at PFT was tracking his Wayne Huizengas planes and taking shots at what coach the dolphins were interviewing there. So i talked to Florio via email, if anyone can get the Tailnumbers for Redskins One he would be willing to track it for us and update it on his site during free agency. so yeah if anyone has redskins one tailnumber that would be cool.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Hey Spicy, can we take a short detour to Vegas for a day or two before heading to the island. :D
No problem! Funny how all of a sudden Buffalo isn't our #1 priority anymore....

[akhhorus]

No problem! Funny how all of a sudden Buffalo isn't our #1 priority anymore....

Its a good idea in theory, but you and I both know if you take The Danny and Gibbs along with a bunch of the drunken revelers around here to Vegas and then Bora Bora, the skins will end up with the Cast from CSI as our new Dline and a coconut tree(if we're lucky) as our new MLB lol.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Its a good idea in theory, but you and I both know if you take The Danny and Gibbs along with a bunch of the drunken revelers around here to Vegas and then Bora Bora, the skins will end up with the Cast from CSI as our new Dline and a coconut tree(if we're lucky) as our new MLB lol.

Akh...you forgot the best part though, they will probably add the Sirens of TI as the cheerleaders and oscar goodman as pr. Go Skins !!!!

[Red Bear]

Its a good idea in theory, but you and I both know if you take The Danny and Gibbs along with a bunch of the drunken revelers around here to Vegas and then Bora Bora, the skins will end up with the Cast from CSI as our new Dline and a coconut tree(if we're lucky) as our new MLB lol.

and perhaps we will trade portis and betts and bring in Al "4 Touchdowns In One Game" Bundy as our new RB

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Its a good idea in theory, but you and I both know if you take The Danny and Gibbs along with a bunch of the drunken revelers around here to Vegas and then Bora Bora, the skins will end up with the Cast from CSI as our new Dline and a coconut tree(if we're lucky) as our new MLB lol.
If I end up in Bora Bora, then that's fine by me.

[akhhorus]

If I end up in Bora Bora, then that's fine by me.

possibly, but even the warm seas of the South Pacific won't alleviate the pain of watching a palm tree trying to tackle Brian Westbrook.

[Smurf85]

Well we are going to visit Detroit near my home.I see Dre Bly on plane and he's on the way.

[redskin_rich]

possibly, but even the warm seas of the South Pacific won't alleviate the pain of watching a palm tree trying to tackle Brian Westbrook.
The palm tree will at least hold it's gound, unlike CNY's favorite linebacker with the initials WH.

[shally]

Well we are going to visit Detroit near my home.I see Dre Bly on plane and he's on the way.

not unless he is released first.. no picks for disgruntled players any more

[bergiemoore]

if both arch and lloyd have only decent seasons this coming year that will change a lot of the perceptions about the skins front office.

i am not quite as charitable as you in my assessment, chiefly because of the bottom line nature of this business. we need to go deep into the playoffs this year before they get a pat on the back. still, i do not believe it is a bleak as some would have people believe

Of the three big FA splashes last year, the FO deserves a D grade.

Carter is beginning to adjust to the system. I believe that he will continue to improve in 2007. He was able to stop the run, when it came to his side. He's athletic enough that he can chase down screen passes. If we pick up a quality DT in the draft (Branch), I think that Carter will be much improved (as will the MLB, whomever that may end up being). I give this acquisition deserves a B.

I think that Lloyd has a shot at redeeming himself. I feel that he is a talented guy, who can contribute to the kind of offense that Saunders runs. Last year, with Brunell behind the helm, no one not named Betts or Moss even got a look. With Campbell in the game, and everyone having time to adjust to the Saunders' system, I think that we'll start seeing production from this FA acquisition. At the moment however, this guys a D+/C- performer, especially for the $$ he's getting.

AA is another story. I don't know what else the coaches can do with Arch, other than what they've already done. He is costing us a fortune, and is not producing from the bench. This one seems like the biggest bust of the decade. Right now, this acquisition deserves and F-, and if I could go lower, I would. Arch has got to step up his level of play, or the FO needs to trade him to another team that could use his talents. He clearly isn't right for this team, but according to all reports and cap analysts, he will be back in 2007.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

What about after Buffalo, head down to Cincinnati, to talk to Eric Steinbach, that is if Dockery doesn't sign.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The palm tree will at least hold it's gound, unlike CNY's favorite linebacker with the initials WH.
At the next tailgate, we absolutely all have to chip in something and buy CNY at least a replice Holdman jersey. I'll paypal you guys 5 bucks, but it must be done.

Oh yeah, and the palm tree doesn't free-lance either...

[Skins7ny]

he did that with beathard at the start and eventually found it to be unsatisfactory.

my guess is that he retires fully before ceding overall responsibility for personnel to someone else.

coaching is another matter. he has already laid the groundwork for his eventual move out of active coaching.. circumstances will determine when that will happen

If Gibbs wanted to cede GM authority, he would have done so already. He is not going to, IMO. He likes the system he has, and is not going to cede power over personnel decisions. I probably wouldn't either if I were him, but I wish he would.

Anyway, I am pretty sure that Redskin One's first destination will be Buffalo. I hope San Diego is also on the list for Donnie Edwards, whom I would prefer to London Fletcher-Baker if the money is close.

[santanadasavior]

We are going to Buffalo for Clements and Fletcher, then to Phily for Rod Hood, then to a lake in Minnesota for Smoot, then to NY to get Vinsanthe Shiancoe, and finally to Detroit to pick up Corey Redding. I'm not sure why we would go on such an unusual path to get those guys, maybe the pilot just likes to fly a lot.

[silverspring]

Gibbs is in the same position that Marty was in. The only difference is Snyder is not going to pull the plug (take GM duties away) on Gibbs as fast as he did with Marty. He would be slaughtered by the media even though it could be the right thing to do. Gibbs checked his ego when he bought in Sauders and turned the offense over to him. We know the issues that are there. A better check of his ego would be if he could decide he needs a GM and get this, give him the power he needs to be an effective GM.

If gibbs gives up the GM side of his job, then what exactly is the point of having him here? He doesn't run the offense, he doesn't run the defense. He will just be an unnecessary layer of bueracracy. Anyways it is never going to happen anyways. Maybe we will get a GM when gibbs leaves.


I just hope redskin one doesn't go visit clements. I can't imagine how we could afford the #1 FA cornerback on the market when we still don't even have a left guard.

[akhhorus]

What about after Buffalo, head down to Cincinnati, to talk to Eric Steinbach, that is if Dockery doesn't sign.

PFt is reporting that Steinbach already has a deal in place from someone at 7 million a year.

[esmith1790]

I know Danny can be creative in his contract offers but with so many teams being way under the cap, i am curious to see how the teams construct some front loaded contracts to offset any big deals and to eliminate the bidders. I know Danny likes to give out big bonuses and go for 6 year deals to spread out the cap hit and then back load the contracts. However with so many teams under the cap i wonder how many will give a lot of the money way up front in the first couple of years.

[Smurf85]

not unless he is released first.. no picks for disgruntled players any more

Like i said i live a hour away from Detroit and believe me.The word around here is he's going to be released.I would love to get both Bly and Smoot.

[akhhorus]

Like i said i live a hour away from Detroit and believe me.The word around here is he's going to be released.I would love to get both Bly and Smoot.

Bly is a solid CB, I would like to sign him if released. Him, Rogers, and a young player or a vet like Randall Gay would be fine by me.

[hogs86]

PFt is reporting that Steinbach already has a deal in place from someone at 7 million a year.


DIELMAN, STEINBACH HAVE DEALS IN HAND?

Our sources in Indy tell us that two of the top offensive linemen in free agency might already have deals in place with new teams.

If their agents are to be believed.

Per the source, the agents for Bengals lineman Eric Steinbach and Chargers lineman Kris Dielman are telling people that they plan to sign contracts worth $7 million per year on March 2, or shortly thereafter.

The three teams who were thought to be most interested in either of these two guys are the Texans, Browns, and Cowboys.

Though it wouldn't be much of a surprise to learn that contracts have been verbally negotiated before the start of free agency (since it happens every single year), the other possibility is that the agents are puffing as to either or both of these players, in the hopes that someone else will offer as much or more.

Either way, make no mistake about it -- free agency officially begins in six days; unofficially, it's already started.

[RedskinRyan]

wouldnt surprise me if the texans finally spent some big bucks to get some olinemen. it would just be a few years overdue.

[shally]

PFt is reporting that Steinbach already has a deal in place from someone at 7 million a year.

the bar is raised again..

[shally]

wouldnt surprise me if the texans finally spent some big bucks to get some olinemen. it would just be a few years overdue.

maybe.. too late for carr.. maybe it is for jake

[smoak]

if both arch and lloyd have only decent seasons this coming year that will change a lot of the perceptions about the skins front office.

i am not quite as charitable as you in my assessment, chiefly because of the bottom line nature of this business. we need to go deep into the playoffs this year before they get a pat on the back. still, i do not believe it is a bleak as some would have people believe

Maybe it is because we are coming off what seems like an eternity of losing, but if we can get back into the playoffs this year (big if), we'll be averaging a playoff appearance every two years. I'll take that in a heartbeat!

I think Arch and Lloyd returning to anything resembling productive football players is key.

[Inuyasha]

well here is a list of current players supposely FA's

CB
Nate Clements
Ken Hamlin
Roc Alexander
Jordan Babineaux
Jason David
Randall Gay
Nick Harper
David Macklin

[chrisbcbu]

i wouldnt mind getting Roderick hood and Nick Harper.

[Inuyasha]

I wouldn't mind getting harper either but its very unlikly the colts will let him slip away

[CNYSkinFan]

I actually think the big surprise will be we do not release either Arch, Lloyd or Springs and have to spend most of the money on Dock's replaceement and a MLB.

Fletcher first, and maybe Clements as well.

Probably looking at Pucillo as the backup option at guard unless we can land Steinbach or Dock.

I dont see a big spending year. Every other year the Redskins need to cut down spending to comply with the cap. For example:

2000: Big signings Deion, Smith, Carrier, George
2001: Not much at all.
2002: agains not much mainly because of the retirements and cap hits of Smith, Carrier, George.
2003: The Jetskins year. Lots of signingsbut not much money there.
2004: Big Signings: Washington Griffin, Barrow, Portis, Brunell
2005: Just Rabach and Patten.
2006: Big Signings: Arch, Lloyd, Randle El

We probably will not have a big year...and if we do expect next year to be paltry ala 2001

[shally]

PFt is reporting that Steinbach already has a deal in place from someone at 7 million a year.

that is likely setting the bar for dockery, unfortunately for the skins

[shally]

I actually think the big surprise will be we do not release either Arch, Lloyd or Springs and have to spend most of the money on Dock's replaceement and a MLB.

Fletcher first, and maybe Clements as well.

Probably looking at Pucillo as the backup option at guard unless we can land Steinbach or Dock.

I dont see a big spending year. Every other year the Redskins need to cut down spending to comply with the cap. For example:

2000: Big signings Deion, Smith, Carrier, George
2001: Not much at all.
2002: agains not much mainly because of the retirements and cap hits of Smith, Carrier, George.
2003: The Jetskins year. Lots of signingsbut not much money there.
2004: Big Signings: Washington Griffin, Barrow, Portis, Brunell
2005: Just Rabach and Patten.
2006: Big Signings: Arch, Lloyd, Randle El

We probably will not have a big year...and if we do expect next year to be paltry ala 2001

looks like arch will be staying from what gibbs was saying last week.. and at the end of the year lloyd was said to be staying also.

springs is another matter

[Patrick]

Don't know where the plane is heading but I know there four seats needing to be filled.

[esmith1790]

FA will be a great time for all. To sort out all the rumors and smoke screens out there! I wonder what team will make the biggest splash

[bergiemoore]

FA will be a great time for all. To sort out all the rumors and smoke screens out there! I wonder what team will make the biggest splash

This year, I'd look to one of these teams with absurd amounts of cap space and a new Coach, a la Arizona or Oakland (They'll likely be freeing up even more space by releasing Moss).

I think that the Skins will have a quiet one. Jerruh, on the other hand, might feel compelled to make some noise.

[danny's stogie]

FA will be a great time for all. To sort out all the rumors and smoke screens out there! I wonder what team will make the biggest splash

I bet Jerruh trades their second rounder for PacMan Jones. Biggest splash of the offseason. TO and PacMan, snuggle buddies.

[bergiemoore]

I bet Jerruh trades their second rounder for PacMan Jones. Biggest splash of the offseason. TO and PacMan, snuggle buddies.

Does TO like to hit stripers too?

[shally]

i think we are going to be priced out of the market for clements

[bergiemoore]

i think we are going to be priced out of the market for clements

I hope you're right.

I really think that we need to focus more on the front seven, and take a journeyman DB like Smoot or Hood for less money.

[shally]

I hope you're right.

I really think that we need to focus more on the front seven, and take a journeyman DB like Smoot or Hood for less money.

smoot AND hood.. i think springs might be gone as well..we need 2 quality cb's

[danny's stogie]

I hope you're right.

I really think that we need to focus more on the front seven, and take a journeyman DB like Smoot or Hood for less money.

I don't. The Skins badly need a top player in the defensive secondary if Springs is either gone or mr. glass and Rogers doesn't take the next step.

[RedskinsDave]

I don't. The Skins badly need a top player in the defensive secondary if Springs is either gone or mr. glass and Rogers doesn't take the next step.

I agree. Williams' defense is predicated on good coverage. Sure, better pressure up front would help but, with all the blitzes, they need to make sure the guys in the back do their job well.

[Smurf85]

i think we are going to be priced out of the market for clements

I agree we will not be able to afford him.Players i can see us going after.Smoot,Bly,Harper and Hood.I would like to see the Skijns get Bly and one of the other guys.I mean you can never have enough depth.

[bergiemoore]

I agree. Williams' defense is predicated on good coverage. Sure, better pressure up front would help but, with all the blitzes, they need to make sure the guys in the back do their job well.

There is no doubt that we need to improve the secondary, but I don't think that we need Clements and Champ Bailey. (God, wouldn't that be great!!) I think that 1 or 2 mid tiered DBs would be sufficient. Rogers did a lot to improve his play toward the end of last season, and I expect ST to improve on his performance as well. That leaves Strong Safety and another corner, or 2 depending on SS.

I think that GW's system is predicated on stopping the run, and keeping the play in front of the DBs. The heart of the GW defense has always been the LBs.

Unfortunately, our problems last year stemmed from the inability to stop the BIG play, and as the year drug on, our complete break down trying to stop the run, as teams exploited Holdman and Marshall. Much of this may be due to our DLine's drop off, especially in the middle.

[LATrueRedskin]

Its a good idea in theory, but you and I both know if you take The Danny and Gibbs along with a bunch of the drunken revelers around here to Vegas and then Bora Bora, the skins will end up with the Cast from CSI as our new Dline and a coconut tree(if we're lucky) as our new MLB lol.

Hey, that coconut tree could definately bring the "wood" for us at linebacker.

















Crickets...

[shally]

There is no doubt that we need to improve the secondary, but I don't think that we need Clements and Champ Bailey. (God, wouldn't that be great!!) I think that 1 or 2 mid tiered DBs would be sufficient. Rogers did a lot to improve his play toward the end of last season, and I expect ST to improve on his performance as well. That leaves Strong Safety and another corner, or 2 depending on SS.

I think that GW's system is predicated on stopping the run, and keeping the play in front of the DBs. The heart of the GW defense has always been the LBs.

Unfortunately, our problems last year stemmed from the inability to stop the BIG play, and as the year drug on, our complete break down trying to stop the run, as teams exploited Holdman and Marshall. Much of this may be due to our DLine's drop off, especially in the middle.


the way things are shaking out, i doubt we can afford to make a serious run at clements

[Skins7ny]

I bet Jerruh trades their second rounder for PacMan Jones. Biggest splash of the offseason. TO and PacMan, snuggle buddies.
Anybody who would trade anything for Pac-Man Jones right now would have to be out of his mind. So you are probably right.:)

[shally]

Anybody who would trade anything for Pac-Man Jones right now would have to be out of his mind. So you are probably right.:)

what a circus that would be...but pac man is getting mighty close to a suspension with the latest antics

[SpicyMcHaggis]

what a circus that would be...but pac man is getting mighty close to a suspension with the latest antics
...and to a mental institute.

[Skins7ny]

what a circus that would be...but pac man is getting mighty close to a suspension with the latest antics

If it is true that he threatened to kill the bouncers at the club, he may be facing criminal charges. It would surprise me if he is not charged with something arising out of the incident or its aftermath. The club has been getting death threats since the incident. I think he may have played his last game in the NFL.

[GibbsFan]

If I had one wish granted today, it would be putting Redskin One back in the hanger. At least for the first week of FA we should sit and watch the action. Yes, we have more holes than the swiss cheese in the fridge, but plugging in solid guys and fewer stars stands just as good a chance as what we have been doing.

Fletcher is good but not great, so wait and see what happens. Clements is top notch to be sure, but will he be a good fit here, or just another bust when we have nothing left to strengthen our front. Tooth Boy can get his money elsewhere. We can still find guys beyond the big names who want to prove themselves. Lord I pray we get players who are hungry and want to make a name, and not just cash a check. Maybe then we get back to workmanlike FB of Redskin traditions.

[hogs86]

Early in the week i thought we would get Fletcher and i still think so.But let me add Dre' Bly and Fred Smoot .In my IMO Springs is gone.He has great talent but he always gets injured. If we can get Smoot to play like he did two seasons ago we will be ok in the secondary.

[AntiSheriff]

If we pick up Dre Bly, we pick up his 4.12 million dollary salary to boot unless we can get him signed to something long-term, and I'm not sure what Washington has to offer (Springs?). Something tells me he's not worth that kind of money in Williams' defense. I'm sure I saw someone else post somewhere on hR that he would like to see Smoot and Rod Hood come to Washington. That's my pick 2 for FA corners as well. Smoot has been getting a lot of welcome in the way of coming back to Washington, and if you know anything about Rod Hood then you know he loves him some God, which is right up Gibbs' alley. If Springs is gone, then Hood gets his shot at a starting spot, and I think the competition between himself and Smoot would be good for the secondary.

[Miller Time]

Yeah, I'm not exactly getting fired up about any acquisition these days. I want to see results, not splashes. Snyder should take a page from the Wizards organization and invest in someone like Grunfeld, and quit kidding himself.

Snyder has only done what Gibbs has wanted for the last 3 seasons. We need a good GM...I heard that Charlie Casserly is available lol!

[shally]

Snyder has only done what Gibbs has wanted for the last 3 seasons. We need a good GM...I heard that Charlie Casserly is available lol!

you are asking for an early banning from this site.... JK..welcome

[828791Redskins]

If I had one wish granted today, it would be putting Redskin One back in the hanger. At least for the first week of FA we should sit and watch the action. Yes, we have more holes than the swiss cheese in the fridge, but plugging in solid guys and fewer stars stands just as good a chance as what we have been doing.

Fletcher is good but not great, so wait and see what happens. Clements is top notch to be sure, but will he be a good fit here, or just another bust when we have nothing left to strengthen our front. Tooth Boy can get his money elsewhere. We can still find guys beyond the big names who want to prove themselves. Lord I pray we get players who are hungry and want to make a name, and not just cash a check. Maybe then we get back to workmanlike FB of Redskin traditions.

Fletcher is the most durable mlb in the league, he's started every game in his career. He's average around 140 tackles (100) solo every year. He's been looked over for the pro-bowl year in and year out. He's a perfect fit for our defense as he knows it in and out. He needs to be a Redskin. There is no better fit.

[shally]

Fletcher is the most durable mlb in the league, he's started every game in his career. He's average around 140 tackles (100) solo every year. He's been looked over for the pro-bowl year in and year out. He's a perfect fit for our defense as he knows it in and out. He needs to be a Redskin. There is no better fit.

and he has a major chip on his shoulder right about now.. perfect for the nfc east

[skinswin]

Hopefully it goes to a qualified GM's house.


Exactly. As long as Snyder ignores getting a real GM, all our moves are done by 3 blind mice. For every good move, they will make two bad ones. That's been the norm around here for the most part of 7 seasons.


:sleeping:

[danny's stogie]

Exactly. As long as Snyder ignores getting a real GM, all our moves are done by 3 blind mice. For every good move, they will make two bad ones. That's been the norm around here for the most part of 7 seasons.


:sleeping:

Welcome back, needed an old bed to sleep in now that the Whambulance is looking at an eviction notice?

[hogs86]

If we do not sign Fletcher if the deal does not go the skins way.I think redskins 1 should fly to Indianapolis and pick up Cato June.Yes he is a outside LB and would cost maybe too much.But he is from DC and he is only
27 . The skins must have a bck up plan ??

[skinsfan36]

If we do not sign Fletcher if the deal does not go the skins way.I think redskins 1 should fly to Indianapolis and pick up Cato June.Yes he is a outside LB and would cost maybe too much.But he is from DC and he is only
27 . The skins must have a bck up plan ??
fletcher should sign here,i think kawika mitchell will go to the lions since they want a new mlb and are interested in him,now cato june i have no idea where he goes but hes a lb so indy probably wont resign him