Fox Re-Signed ; Thomas & Sellers Extensions

[Torresa]

just saw on redskins.com

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25059

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25058

[MAATOPDOGG]

Sellers, Thomas Sign Contract Extensions
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
March 2, 2007



The Redskins have opened the free agency period by giving contract extensions to fullback Mike Sellers and right guard Randy Thomas.
The team announced the moves on Friday morning.

Sellers and Thomas are two of the Redskins' top blockers. They helped the offense produce the NFL's fourth-best ground game attack in 2006, with Ladell Betts' 1,154 rushing yards leading the way.

In pass protection, the Redskins yielded just 19 sacks last season, third-best in the NFL.

Thomas, 6-5 and 306 pounds, has emerged as a dominant figure on the Redskins' offensive line since he signed with the team in 2003.

He started 16 games last season, returning from a fractured fibula late in the 2005 season. He showed no effects from the injury, finishing the season as The Quarterback Club Redskins Player of the Year.

Thomas also earned the Redskins' Ed Block Courage Award winner, given to one player on all 32 teams who overcame the most in returning from injury.

Thomas, an eight-year veteran, is the second Redskins' offensive lineman to sign a contract extension this offseason. He joins right tackle Jon Jansen, who signed a five-year deal in February.

Sellers made the transition back to fullback last season, after two seasons played H-back for the redskins. At 6-3 and 260 pounds, Sellers considers himself a fullback by trade and he enjoys blocking more than carrying the football.

Sellers produced a strong season blocking for Clinton Portis and Betts. He even earned some consideration for the Pro Bowl.

Sellers rushed for 51 yards on 12 carries. He also caught 18 passes for 105 yards and a 1-yard touchdown catch in the Redskins' season finale.

In 2005, Sellers enjoyed his finest season, catching 12 passes for 72 yards and eight touchdowns. He also finished second on the team in special teams tackles with 30.

But Sellers's success is best measured as a blocker. By season's end, Sellers and the offensive linemen were dominant.

[Redskin4Life]

Do these extensions give us more money under the cap or no??

[CNYSkinFan]

Very interesting the extension of Thomas....maybe making more room for Dock?

[Dolla Bill]

Sweet. I want to get my Sellers jersey! STAT!

[shally]

good stuff. i like the concept of being pro active for once

[GreenspanDan]

hmm, maybe these were done FIRST so that dockery's upcoming big contract wouldn't give them leverage??

[bergiemoore]

Good move here. I'd like to know what they deals are, specifically, so we can see what cap ramifications this will have. Either way, more Sellers and Thomas can't be too bad. These guys are a couple of my favorites.

[LATrueRedskin]

Great, great news. I don't want Randy Thomas going anywhere. That's fantastic!

[shally]

Very interesting the extension of Thomas....maybe making more room for Dock?

seems like a plan.. was fox re signed as well ??

[Vonslydog]

Sweet. I want to get my Sellers jersey! STAT!
I've been holding off on ordering a Sellers jersey because his contract was close to winding up. Now I feel secure it getting it.

[BIGSEF3]

pllllleeeeease now lets get cooley and taylor taken care of

[shally]

seems like a plan.. was fox re signed as well ??

looks like fox was as well... so far, so good...

[bergiemoore]

Add Vernon Fox to the list of extensions. [edit: actually, this is a FA signing. ooops]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25058

[smoak]

All very welcomed news (pending my review of the terms)!

EDIT: PLEASE read through the first few pages before startign a new thread. This time of year can get out of control if we aren't all responsible for keeping the boards organized.

Merged.

[flave1969]

pllllleeeeease now lets get cooley and taylor taken care of

Agreed

[Redskin4Life]

Well, the Thomas extension looks to be a cap move (he had a 5.5M cap number) but the Sellers extension is purely a proactive move. Hopefully we'll hear about Cooley's extension soon.

[fent]

Very interesting the extension of Thomas....maybe making more room for Dock?

my guess is there was significant room created with this move, otherwise why do it? anyone know what his cap figure was prior to this?

[Dolla Bill]

I was wondering with all of these restructures, are they looking to make a movie this FA (Clements, DD) or to lock up some of our other guys (Cooley, Taylor). I thought Taylor's contract was until 2010 or something like that.

[BIGSEF3]

our entire offensive line and primary blocker (sellers) are all getting kinda old. how many years do you all think we can keep this group together as starters?

[Dolla Bill]

our entire offensive line and primary blocker (sellers) are all getting kinda old. how many years do you all think we can keep this group together as starters?


My guess is 2 with little hit, but 3 would be stretching it.

[LATrueRedskin]

our entire offensive line and primary blocker (sellers) are all getting kinda old. how many years do you all think we can keep this group together as starters?

We have to start drafting OLineman to plug them in as our guys retire. 2nd and 3rd rounders in the future.

[BIGSEF3]

I was wondering with all of these restructures, are they looking to make a movie this FA (Clements, DD) or to lock up some of our other guys (Cooley, Taylor). I thought Taylor's contract was until 2010 or something like that.

Taylor signed a 7year deal if i remember, so thats about right. however, it would be good to lock him up sooner rather than later. and clements is reported to have signed with the 49ers, so maybe this is good news about keeping dock.

[Redskin4Life]

my guess is there was significant room created with this move, otherwise why do it? anyone know what his cap figure was prior to this?
According to Warpath, Thomas' cap number was at 5.5M... 4 was in salary.

[fent]

According to Warpath, Thomas' cap number was at 5.5M... 4 was in salary.

i would bet that the deal cut that in half at least...that's how we like to roll.

[PennSkinsFan]

Stability on the offensive line is the one place this team has remained stable. Great moves, the team has rewarded two fo the hardest working and most successful redskins. Both are invaluable to this franchise.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

All very welcomed news (pending my review of the terms)!
Seems like good new to me, and if Smoak approves the terms after his review, then I'm cool with it too.

[S.Taylor36]

Great move in extented contracts to these guys. It also may help the feeling within the locker room that the front office wants to keep some guys around.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

our entire offensive line and primary blocker (sellers) are all getting kinda old. how many years do you all think we can keep this group together as starters?
I don't know, some linemen are very good well into their 30's. Samuels and Thomas have been very consistent and don't show any signs of slowing down {knocking on wood}.

[CNYSkinFan]

A bit I put on War Cry on the move

Vernon Fox is resigned, Extensions for Thomas & Sellers (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/vernon-fox-is-resigned-extensions-for.html)

[dj_stouty]

Two GREAT singings. Glad to see the Redskins restructure a core Redskin as well as extend a contract to a very deserving guy.

[silverspring]

This is great great news. Signing some of our own guys first! I am really happy they signed sellers. So far so good.

[chrisbcbu]

Thomas i would have been more than willing to pay 12million in guarenteed money. I dont know how much he is getting but if its less than that then perhaps they are going to use his deal to negotiate with Dockery.

[RedskinRyan]

Great, great news. I don't want Randy Thomas going anywhere. That's fantastic!

yes. i wonder what thomas' new deal is though, cause it would play a huge role in what dockery should expect to get. he's not getting for than thomas from us, unless we feel he really has the potential to become our best guard.

and im glad that it appears sellers will retire a redskin.

[whistleandthumb]

Great news... keeping around 2 of our own, and 2 fantastic players, at that. This is the type of signing I'd like to see more of from the FO.

[silverspring]

I wish we knew what the contract was but I wonder if by signing thomas they are establishing a market rate for the remaining guard on the oline. Maybe dockery has been fishing for more money and this simply sends a message to dockery saying listen we simply won't pay you more than this.

[Redskin4Life]

I wish we knew what the contract was but I wonder if by signing thomas they are establishing a market rate for the remaining guard on the oline. Maybe dockery has been fishing for more money and this simply sends a message to dockery saying listen we simply won't pay you more than this.
Or maybe it's the other way around, we're trying to reward Thomas and get his contract up to Dock's level so that there's no animosity towards the FO when we resign Dock. Backloaded of course.

[hail2skins]

I wish we knew what the contract was but I wonder if by signing thomas they are establishing a market rate for the remaining guard on the oline. Maybe dockery has been fishing for more money and this simply sends a message to dockery saying listen we simply won't pay you more than this.Remember, Gibbs did that with the linebackers when he said he wouldn't pay anyone more than what Washington was making if I remember correctly.

[bergiemoore]

Remember, Gibbs did that with the linebackers when he said he wouldn't pay anyone more than what Washington was making if I remember correctly.

Yep. That's how we lost Pierce.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Remember, Gibbs did that with the linebackers when he said he wouldn't pay anyone more than what Washington was making if I remember correctly.
Correct. That was the case with Pierce. They were not going to pay AP more than MW.

[dj_stouty]

I wish we knew what the contract was but I wonder if by signing thomas they are establishing a market rate for the remaining guard on the oline. Maybe dockery has been fishing for more money and this simply sends a message to dockery saying listen we simply won't pay you more than this.

Bingo. And in the end...the FO can always point to Randy's contract and say they dind't feel comfortable paying their 2nd best OG more thant their best OG.

THey did the same thing with Smoot and Pierce. I admire the fact that the FO is setting standards and letting their top players at each postitoinget the most $. Why create hostility among the players?

I have a feeling Dock isn't having the types of conversations he hoped to have today.

[Spence]

Sellers is signed thru 2010, apparently. Dockery is in Atlanta. Fletcher and Smoot are in D.C. and Fletcher is taking his physical. Read it. (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/free-agent-round-up_02.html)

[Fathead]

I like re-signing Thomas. Screw Dock if he goes elsewhere.

[LATrueRedskin]

Sellers is signed thru 2010, apparently. Dockery is in Atlanta. Fletcher and Smoot are in D.C. and Fletcher is taking his physical. Read it. (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/free-agent-round-up_02.html)

Thanks for your continued updates.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I am glad that we secured up Sellers and Thomas, both great leaders and blockers on our team.

Welcome back Vernon Fox, I am sure he will be competing for playing time with Pierson Priolou.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Bingo. And in the end...the FO can always point to Randy's contract and say they dind't feel comfortable paying their 2nd best OG more thant their best OG.

THey did the same thing with Smoot and Pierce. I admire the fact that the FO is setting standards and letting their top players at each postitoinget the most $. Why create hostility among the players?

I have a feeling Dock isn't having the types of conversations he hoped to have today.

I think the FO is doing things correctly here. Now if they can just match that prudent strategy with FA's form other teams I would be happier. For some reason the fO seems to overvalue other team's FAs.

[BIGSEF3]

PFT had an interesting blurb about our tendering frost.
Along these same lines, we can't figure out why the Redskins gave punter Derrick Frost the low tender. Frost was undrafted, so the 'Skins get no compensation if someone else signs him. And someone else will be able to get him via the poison pill device.

As we see it, the 'Skins would have been smarter to save the $850,000 in cap space and not tender Frost at any level. Or, if they really wanted to keep him, they should have bumped the number to $1.3 million, which would have triggered the second-round level of compensation -- and as a practical matter would have scared off any other suitors.

eric shaffer must be losing it.

[BurgundyNGold]

Very interesting the extension of Thomas....maybe making more room for Dock?
Actually, if I were an insidious, soulless creature (which luckily, I just so happen to be) I might see this as the third OL to restructure to make more cap room (Samuels, Jansen and now Thomas). I might note that this cap room could be sold to Dock as a concerted effort being made by his line mates to keep him. Such a sell would make it exceptionally hard for Dock to just up and leave -- even if the Redskins couldn't raise the astronomical figures Dock is expected to see. If Dock left, he'd not only be leaving the team, he'd also be leaving his friends who "sacrificed" to keep him. That would be pretty manipulative and powerful manuever on the part of the FO.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Maybe its because Frost is a decent punter and probably won't attract a lot of attention this off-season. Whatever!


Good news on Fox, and great news on Sellers and Thomas getting extended deals. Hopefully we can bring Dock back to continue the continuity on our line.

[RedskinRyan]

Actually, if I were an insidious, soulless creature (which luckily, I just so happen to be) I might see this as the third OL to restructure to make more cap room (Samuels, Jansen and now Thomas). I might note that this cap room could be sold to Dock as a concerted effort being made by his line mates to keep him. Such a sell would make it exceptionally hard for Dock to just up and leave -- even if the Redskins couldn't raise the astronomical figures Dock is expected to see. If Dock left, he'd not only be leaving the team, he'd also be leaving his friends who "sacrificed" to keep him. That would be pretty manipulative and powerful manuever on the part of the FO.

all in all, it boils down to $$$. dock's gonna go to whoever pays the most, as did smoot, pierce, and countless others. we atleast still have the top 3 offensive linemen on our team.

[HAWGZHEAD]

PFT had an interesting blurb about our tendering frost.


eric shaffer must be losing it.I think Frost scares off suitors just fine by himself.

[CNYSkinFan]

Actually, if I were an insidious, soulless creature (which luckily, I just so happen to be) I might see this as the third OL to restructure to make more cap room (Samuels, Jansen and now Thomas). I might note that this cap room could be sold to Dock as a concerted effort being made by his line mates to keep him. Such a sell would make it exceptionally hard for Dock to just up and leave -- even if the Redskins couldn't raise the astronomical figures Dock is expected to see. If Dock left, he'd not only be leaving the team, he'd also be leaving his friends who "sacrificed" to keep him. That would be pretty manipulative and powerful manuever on the part of the FO.
If so...well done by the FO. It is a high risk strategy as if Dock leaves and we overpay his replacement the guys on the line might get pissed off about it.

[BurgundyNGold]

all in all, it boils down to $$$. dock's gonna go to whoever pays the most, as did smoot, pierce, and countless others. we atleast still have the top 3 offensive linemen on our team.
True, but he would have to do it with his line mates making this kind of statement to him about how much they want him to stay. At that point, what's the difference between $10.2M and 12M guaranteed? If Dock has any loyalty to those guys, I think it becomes really hard for him to just follow the money.

[BIGSEF3]

Actually, if I were an insidious, soulless creature (which luckily, I just so happen to be) I might see this as the third OL to restructure to make more cap room (Samuels, Jansen and now Thomas). I might note that this cap room could be sold to Dock as a concerted effort being made by his line mates to keep him. Such a sell would make it exceptionally hard for Dock to just up and leave -- even if the Redskins couldn't raise the astronomical figures Dock is expected to see. If Dock left, he'd not only be leaving the team, he'd also be leaving his friends who "sacrificed" to keep him. That would be pretty manipulative and powerful manuever on the part of the FO.

thats an interesting take, but when it comes down to it, dock is going to be expecting to paid, possibly even more than what we gave jansen. how do you think our guys would feel if the only way we kept dock was by giving him more money than they got? i think that could create some lockerroom problems right there.

dock is our 4th best offensive lineman and he should be paid accordingly. however, in my opinion, perception is EVERYTHING here. as long as the skins continue to make efforts to resign dock, it wont hurt morale when we are unable to match whatever unreasonable offer atlanta makes him. In fact, it will only make the rest of our line glad dock didnt stay, being a greedy sob.

[BurgundyNGold]

If so...well done by the FO. It is a high risk strategy as if Dock leaves and we overpay his replacement the guys on the line might get pissed off about it.
That's just it. If Dock leaves, the OL can't say that the team didn't do everything in their power to keep him. If, as you say, they overpay his replacement, they might not be pleased. I don;t see that happening though. There really wouldn't be any OG left to give that kind of loot to.

[BurgundyNGold]

thats an interesting take, but when it comes down to it, dock is going to be expecting to paid, possibly even more than what we gave jansen. how do you think our guys would feel if the only way we kept dock was by giving him more money than they got? i think that could create some lockerroom problems right there.

dock is our 4th best offensive lineman and he should be paid accordingly. however, in my opinion, perception is EVERYTHING here. as long as the skins continue to make efforts to resign dock, it wont hurt morale when we are unable to match whatever unreasonable offer atlanta makes him. In fact, it will only make the rest of our line glad dock didnt stay, being a greedy sob.
Exactly, and with the OL restructuring to keep him, Dock has to weigh those perceptions as well. ;)

[shally]

PFT had an interesting blurb about our tendering frost.


eric shaffer must be losing it.

no.. i thinkit reflects the worth of frost.. if someone really wants him, they can have him.. he is decent and nothing more and can be replaced

[BIGSEF3]

Exactly, and with the OL restructuring to keep him, Dock has to weigh those perceptions as well. ;)

personally i dont think dock cares. he wants to get paid and he has no loyalty to these guys. before smoot and pierce left, they atleast SAID the right things. dock hasnt been saying squat. i think his mind has been made up already.

[shally]

Actually, if I were an insidious, soulless creature (which luckily, I just so happen to be) I might see this as the third OL to restructure to make more cap room (Samuels, Jansen and now Thomas). I might note that this cap room could be sold to Dock as a concerted effort being made by his line mates to keep him. Such a sell would make it exceptionally hard for Dock to just up and leave -- even if the Redskins couldn't raise the astronomical figures Dock is expected to see. If Dock left, he'd not only be leaving the team, he'd also be leaving his friends who "sacrificed" to keep him. That would be pretty manipulative and powerful manuever on the part of the FO.

i think you are on it .... if dock signs, the front office can point to the good weill of the other players making it happen.. if dock walks, then HE has slapped the players in their faces and it is on him that he is no longer a redskin.. there can be no whining about the effort on the part of the skins players and front office. it will show dockery to be ruled by desire for the largest money contract

and if he leaves, there should be no griping on the part of the remaining skins

a good move

[shally]

True, but he would have to do it with his line mates making this kind of statement to him about how much they want him to stay. At that point, what's the difference between $10.2M and 12M guaranteed? If Dock has any loyalty to those guys, I think it becomes really hard for him to just follow the money.

i dont know about you... but i would have some degree of difficulty walking away from 1.8 million dollars.. that would buy a very nice house or some jewlery for the missus..

[BurgundyNGold]

personally i dont think dock cares. he wants to get paid and he has no loyalty to these guys. before smoot and pierce left, they atleast SAID the right things. dock hasnt been saying squat. i think his mind has been made up already.
Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating? If you do know, how so? I think his agent may be a greedy worm, but Dock signs the contracts.

[BIGSEF3]

i dont know about you... but i would have some degree of difficulty walking away from 1.8 million dollars.. that would buy a very nice house or some jewlery for the missus..
i have a feeling the gap will be even bigger than that.

[BIGSEF3]

Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating? If you do know, how so? I think his agent may be a greedy worm, but Dock signs the contracts.

im just speculating. its based almost entirely on dock not commenting and making it known he really WANTS to be here. everything we have heard from Docks agent is that he wants to get paid. If Dock was really concerned about being a redskin, he wouldnt let his agent send THAT message.

[BurgundyNGold]

i dont know about you... but i would have some degree of difficulty walking away from 1.8 million dollars.. that would buy a very nice house or some jewlery for the missus..
To paraphrase Bud Fox: "How many tug boats can you water ski behind, Dock?!" :D

This is not the only contract that he will be getting, more than likely. People sign for less than market value to stay where they are all the time. Maybe his wife likes the area? Maybe his kids do? Who knows. I think the FO might be making a soid pitch for Dock to stick around. I didn't have this optimism before the Thomas restructure.

[BurgundyNGold]

im just speculating. its based almost entirely on dock not commenting and making it known he really WANTS to be here. everything we have heard from Docks agent is that he wants to get paid. If Dock was really concerned about being a redskin, he wouldnt let his agent send THAT message.
But that's exactly why he has an agent. If Dock fawned all over the team in the press, the Redskins would try to lowball him. I think he might just be trying to squeeze every dime out of Danny and then staying put. It would be a smart play on his part, but that's just my speculation.

[BIGSEF3]

To paraphrase Bud Fox: "How many tug boats can you water ski behind, Dock?!" :D

This is not the only contract that he will be getting, more than likely. People sign for less than market value to stay where they are all the time. Maybe his wife likes the area? Maybe his kids do? Who knows. I think the FO might be making a soid pitch for Dock to stick around. I didn't have this optimism before the Thomas restructure.

I think the sellers thing helped too, because we've really locked up everybody along the line (sellers part of that group). There was no reason to extend sellers now. You are right on about what the FO is doing here, i just dont have your same optomism that it will actually work.

But that's exactly why he has an agent. If Dock fawned all over the team in the press, the Redskins would try to lowball him. I think he might just be trying to squeeze every dime out of Danny and then staying put. It would be a smart play on his part, but that's just my speculation.

i dont think saying something like, "I love being a redskin and i hope to play my entire career here.... but they have to offer me my true value" would hurt his position at all. it would appease the fans and still send the message that we have to match whatever other teams offer.

[shally]

To paraphrase Bud Fox: "How many tug boats can you water ski behind, Dock?!" :D

This is not the only contract that he will be getting, more than likely. People sign for less than market value to stay where they are all the time. Maybe his wife likes the area? Maybe his kids do? Who knows. I think the FO might be making a soid pitch for Dock to stick around. I didn't have this optimism before the Thomas restructure.

cautionary tales abound..it might well be the ONLY big contract he signs.
look at wade.. he got a big contract to go with houston and then they cut him when he got injured.. so now he looks to be in line for another decent contract.
but look at bentley.. he got one big contract but may be done due to an unfortunate infection.
dockery has to take care of his family first and assume this is it for him.
i hold no malice towards him if he signs for the most dollars. careers are short and it was only a couple of years ago that the redskin front office was talking like dockery had little future..

[BurgundyNGold]

I think the sellers thing helped too, because we've really locked up everybody along the line (sellers part of that group). There was no reason to extend sellers now. You are right on about what the FO is doing here, i just dont have your same optomism that it will actually work.
That's true. I forgot about Sellers. He's like the 6th lineman. I think his restructure was more symbolic (because I don't think he saved us much against the cap) but it does go to motive in my delusional little fantasy.

[shally]

I think the sellers thing helped too, because we've really locked up everybody along the line (sellers part of that group). There was no reason to extend sellers now. You are right on about what the FO is doing here, i just dont have your same optomism that it will actually work.

sellers deserves an extension.. he is really a core redskin in every sense of the word.. he plays incredibly hard and is on multiple special teams.

there was a message in that signing

[shally]

That's true. I forgot about Sellers. He's like the 6th lineman. I think his restructure was more symbolic (because I don't think he saved us much against the cap) but it does go to motive in my delusional little fantasy.

no.. i think you have read the situation exactly as it is... cut right through the fog to the reality of what is going on

[BurgundyNGold]

cautionary tales abound..it might well be the ONLY big contract he signs.
look at wade.. he got a big contract to go with houston and then they cut him when he got injured.. so now he looks to be in line for another decent contract.
but look at bentley.. he got one big contract but may be done due to an unfortunate infection.
dockery has to take care of his family first and assume this is it for him.
i hold no malice towards him if he signs for the most dollars. careers are short and it was only a couple of years ago that the redskin front office was talking like dockery had little future..
A $10M signing bonus will take care of your family just fine. In an interest bearing account at a 5% return, that's $500K a year -- assuming he never got one dime of salary and never got another contract after this one. And ever since Sterling Sharpe, almost every player has an insurance policy on themselves to cover for such unfortunate incidents.

[shally]

A $10M signing bonus will take care of your family just fine. In an interest bearing account at a 5% return, that's $500K a year -- assuming he never got one dime of salary and never got another contract after this one. And ever since Sterling Sharpe, almost every player has an insurance policy on themselves to cover for such unfortunate incidents.

maybe.. just ask lavar about the size of bonuses.. plus, between agents and financial advisors an awful lot of that money gets peeled off.

not saying that dockery wont be well off, but i still think it is never as big as it is presented to be..

[BIGSEF3]

A $10M signing bonus will take care of your family just fine. In an interest bearing account at a 5% return, that's $500K a year -- assuming he never got one dime of salary and never got another contract after this one. And ever since Sterling Sharpe, almost every player has an insurance policy on themselves to cover for such unfortunate incidents.

but with a 14M signing bonus he could put the 10M in the interest bearing account, get that $500k return, and still have 4 million dollars to blow on whatever he wants to blow his money on.

I think the strahan situation may have made alot of players realize they are just a divorce away from losing half of what they have.

[BurgundyNGold]

maybe.. just ask lavar about the size of bonuses.. plus, between agents and financial advisors an awful lot of that money gets peeled off.

not saying that dockery wont be well off, but i still think it is never as big as it is presented to be..
Lavar = Fool demonstrated to believe his own hype

I can't say the same for Dock. I just know that proportionately the difference between $10.2M and $12M on the security scale is not the same as the difference between $1.2M and $3M.

[BurgundyNGold]

but with a 14M signing bonus he could put the 10M in the interest bearing account, get that $500k return, and still have 4 million dollars to blow on whatever he wants to blow his money on.

I think the strahan situation may have made alot of players realize they are just a divorce away from losing half of what they have.
If he gets $14M, then that's what he gets and good for him. La Canfora is talking about Dock being gauged somewhere around $12M in guaranteed loot.

[James F. Quinn]

it will show dockery to be ruled by desire for the largest money contract a good move

There aren't that many NFL players who AREN'T ruled by desire for the largest money contract.
These noble, selfless Redskins who have restructured have ended up with salary money (could go away if they don't make the team this year for whatever reason) converted into up-front bonuses (cash in hand plus possibly some more roster bonuses down the road). It's helpful that they did it, but they haven't lost a penny by doing it. Most have gained guaranteed money.

This isn't like Tom Brady on a dynastic powerhouse giving up some $$ to stay on the team. The Redskins have been a 34-47 team the past five years and have seen three coaching turnovers. The Gibbs II era has been 22-27. If a young player like DD isn't a bit jaded by all the off-season hoop-la and the sorry results, he isn't all that bright.

Most players other than the high first round picks only get one chance to make a big splash and get a big payday. Saying that Derrick Dockery should be willing to give up anywhere up to five or six MILLION DOLLARS extra to hang around and see whether Joe Gibbs & Co. will ever learn how to get back to a winning team, is pure wishful thinking Fanspeak.

They could have probably gotten DD locked up for six or seven more years at the end of 2005 at what would now be bargain rates, but they didn't think enough of him to try, then.

Why should he sacrifice now, for them?

[BIGSEF3]

If he gets $14M, then that's what he gets and good for him. La Canfora is talking about Dock being gauged somewhere around $12M in guaranteed loot.

If Wade doesnt want to play guard, i dont know why Davis would.

osted at 1:00 PM ET, 03/ 2/2007
Leonard Davis - Updated

Looks like Leonard Davis could be in the house tonight when the Skins take their free agent entourage to the Wizards game. They want to bring him in; not sure if he is in Dallas first, but the Skins are pushing for him. Sounds like the Dockery thing is not panning out perhaps.

Just got off the phone with someone very close to the situation. Davis in indeed in another city as we speak - Dallas I believe- but I heard there is a "75-80 percent" chance he could be in Washington soon. The Redskins are indeed his next free agent visit destination, if in fact he makes another trip. I hear his agents are talking to 4-5 teams and fielding lots of calls, so it's possible he signs with another team while still on this first visit.

Also, Ladell Betts said he has been told nothing about being dealt, but realizes some rumors persist. Said he speaks to his agents daily and they have never mentioned anything, but I also hear that the jets and Broncos have some serious interest in him.

Stay tuned.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

I wish you had been right burgundy. then again, you could probably spin this to make it seem positive about dock staying... ;-)

[BurgundyNGold]

If Wade doesnt want to play guard, i dont know why Davis would.



http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

I wish you had been right burgundy. then again, you could probably spin this to make it seem positive about dock staying... ;-)
It's all part of the game. ;)

[James F. Quinn]

i dont think saying something like, "I love being a redskin and i hope to play my entire career here.... but they have to offer me my true value" would hurt his position at all. it would appease the fans and still send the message that we have to match whatever other teams offer.

Maybe all the guys who've said that in the past and bailed out has reduced the value of that kind of statement.

[SkinsFan4Life2003]

I think the sellers thing helped too, because we've really locked up everybody along the line (sellers part of that group). There was no reason to extend sellers now. You are right on about what the FO is doing here, i just dont have your same optomism that it will actually work.



i dont think saying something like, "I love being a redskin and i hope to play my entire career here.... but they have to offer me my true value" would hurt his position at all. it would appease the fans and still send the message that we have to match whatever other teams offer.

maybe he just doesn't feel that way. i sincerely hope dock returns, but if he finds a higher contract somewhere i can't really blame him. its not like we've done much over the years to prove that we can be a consistenly good team. why sacrifice millions to play on a team that has every chance of being bad as it does of being good?

[Agrawog]

Given that Sellers re-signed i have a question: we have an issue with our blocking TEs. why don't we move sellers to TE to block and catch some passes, leave Cooley as the HB for pass catching and block with someone else at FB? Sellers goes 278 - that's plenty for in-line blocking and we know he can catch.

does that make sense to anyone else?

[redskin_rich]

Given that Sellers re-signed i have a question: we have an issue with our blocking TEs. why don't we move sellers to TE to block and catch some passes, leave Cooley as the HB for pass catching and block with someone else at FB? Sellers goes 278 - that's plenty for in-line blocking and we know he can catch.

does that make sense to anyone else?
I think he is utilized better out of the backfield.

[bergiemoore]

Given that Sellers re-signed i have a question: we have an issue with our blocking TEs. why don't we move sellers to TE to block and catch some passes, leave Cooley as the HB for pass catching and block with someone else at FB? Sellers goes 278 - that's plenty for in-line blocking and we know he can catch.

does that make sense to anyone else?

Isn't that what we were doing before Saunders' got here?

He said that he's happier being a traditional fullback. He enjoys run blocking from the back field. I wouldn't mind seeing him line up in 2 TE sets as the second TE, however.

[LATrueRedskin]

Given that Sellers re-signed i have a question: we have an issue with our blocking TEs. why don't we move sellers to TE to block and catch some passes, leave Cooley as the HB for pass catching and block with someone else at FB? Sellers goes 278 - that's plenty for in-line blocking and we know he can catch.

does that make sense to anyone else?

It's quite a move going from a fullback to a full-blown TE. Sellers usually blocks with a full head of steam, hitting defenders with a head start, whereas he'd have to come right off of his stance and be expected to block just as effectively.

[Spence]

Iron Mike Sellers is happy to be a Redskin. (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/iron-mike-sellers-is-glad-to-be-back.html)

[BIGSEF3]

Iron Mike Sellers is happy to be a Redskin. (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/iron-mike-sellers-is-glad-to-be-back.html)

i read that a little while ago. thats really good news to hear. if we loose cooley next year, i'm getting me a sellars jersey.

[skinsfan36]

this is great news i think cooley is next. this is great to see them being proactive with two of our best blocking beasts(all the others are locked up but greedy dock).

[hail2skins]

Hypocrites all of you


This is a thread that talks about us keeping players we've had and yet it has less posts than the Smoot and Fletcher threads. Hypocytes. Who gives a crap if I misspelled it. :D

[silverspring]

Iron Mike Sellers is happy to be a Redskin. (http://hailredskins.blogspot.com/2007/03/iron-mike-sellers-is-glad-to-be-back.html)

The blog is great i like that i was just able to get q quick chronological updated on what i missed all afternoon.

I have been happy about the mike sellers signing all day cause it is the kind of signing that represents the attitude redskins have been talking about but not doing for years now.

[BurgundyNGold]

Hypocrites all of you


This is a thread that talks about us keeping players we've had and yet it has less posts than the Smoot and Fletcher threads. Hypocytes. Who gives a crap if I misspelled it. :D
We're not all hypercryts. ;)

[helimech24]

We're not all hypercryts. ;)
Your so mean. :Peace:

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I'm really happy about these two... Thomas has been our best guard, so he should be rewarded... we couldn't pay Dockery better than him.

Mike Sellers is a true Redskin, and I hope he'll retire as a Redskin. Not too many guys like him.

[BIGSEF3]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030201277.html

A good read. A few interesting tidbits i've gathered from this, and other articles today:

1. Springs wont take a pay cut but we can lessen his cap hit by a standard restructure.
2. Teams want our #6 pick
3. Teams want to trade for Betts
4. Teams want to trade for Springs
5. We are open to trading Archuletta

Also i'm just imagining how sick our defense will be with fletcher, a rookie DE in the draft, and springs, smoot, AND rogers in the backfield. With Sean Taylor and a healthy preilou, even archdeluxe's strengths could be maximized in 2007.

[joethefan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030201277.html

A good read. A few interesting tidbits i've gathered from this, and other articles today:

1. Springs wont take a pay cut but we can lessen his cap hit by a standard restructure.
2. Teams want our #6 pick
3. Teams want to trade for Betts
4. Teams want to trade for Springs
5. We are open to trading Archuletta

Also i'm just imagining how sick our defense will be with fletcher, a rookie DE in the draft, and springs, smoot, AND rogers in the backfield. With Sean Taylor and a healthy preilou, even archdeluxe's strengths could be maximized in 2007.

well I am happy abour the signings...i just hope that after this we can get taylor and cooley done....something tells me we'd better get taylor done before the end of this season...cause if he has a big year..we may be in some trouble...LOL

[BIGSEF3]

well I am happy abour the signings...i just hope that after this we can get taylor and cooley done....something tells me we'd better get taylor done before the end of this season...cause if he has a big year..we may be in some trouble...LOL

i'm with you there. once we get smoot and davis on the books, 1st order of business needs to be to lock these guys up. i'm just hoping we don't have to end up picking between the two of them...

[BIGSEF3]

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=71#S=71&F=1348&T=185070&FIX=1

Posted on 3/3/2007 1:29 AM
BREAKING NEWS - you heard it on CPND first Post Rating
Chris Samuels has restructured his contract to have his $3.000m roster bonus guaranteed and spread over the remaining 5 years of his contract.

This means only $600k of that roster bonus will apply in 2007 which saves the Skins $2.4m in cap room this season.

This will help significantly in getting other key FA's signed.

Portis and Patten ($1.0m each), Philip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn and Mark Brunell ($500k each) also have significant roster bonuses that could be guaranteed to help gain some wiggle room under the cap although some of these players could be released prior to the roster bonuses falling due.


{Thanks Adam for the info on Samuels}


If this is true, I hope we're not trying to create extra room to sign davis. no way he is worth 5M more garaunteed than dockery.

[shally]

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=71#S=71&F=1348&T=185070&FIX=1



If this is true, I hope we're not trying to create extra room to sign davis. no way he is worth 5M more garaunteed than dockery.

not just the possibility of davis.. but the cost to sign any free agent looks to have jumped this year.. the skins need room

[skinsfan36]

if this is true about samuels,i guess hes not upset about losing dock

[shally]

if this is true about samuels,i guess hes not upset about losing dock

he is probably happy for dock.. nobody expected that kind of deal for him

but it is reflective of the market now, so samuels helped the skins out

[BurgundyNGold]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/02/AR2007030201277.html

A good read. A few interesting tidbits i've gathered from this, and other articles today:

1. Springs wont take a pay cut but we can lessen his cap hit by a standard restructure.
2. Teams want our #6 pick
3. Teams want to trade for Betts
4. Teams want to trade for Springs
5. We are open to trading Archuletta

Also i'm just imagining how sick our defense will be with fletcher, a rookie DE in the draft, and springs, smoot, AND rogers in the backfield. With Sean Taylor and a healthy preilou, even archdeluxe's strengths could be maximized in 2007.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/morristk/shocker.jpg

LMAO!

[BIGSEF3]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/morristk/shocker.jpg

LMAO!

yeah, i think the bears offered us lovie smith and 2 1st round picks:)

[CNYSkinFan]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/morristk/shocker.jpg

LMAO!
I am also open to dating Jessica Alba....the wife is not so open, but I am.

[BurgundyNGold]

I am also open to dating Jessica Alba....the wife is not so open, but I am.
You had better hope that Jessica Alba is open too. And by "open", I mean drunk. And Helen Keller, lol.

:D

[BIGSEF3]

I am also open to dating Jessica Alba....the wife is not so open, but I am.

forget about it. been there, done that.... i've had better.:flower1:

[hockeygoalie29]

The club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

I had no idea that he would have been a free agent next year. It sounds like a GREAT deal considering what guards are getting this year in free agency. It should also show that the Redskins ARE capable of signing extensions with players in the last year of their deals which a lot of people on this board criticised them for not doing with Dockery. That should be a clue on how the front office valued both of these guys.

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601190.html)

[Fathead]

Thomas is worth every penny.



Dock was not.

[chrisbcbu]

he COULD have been a FA if he wanted to void out his contract. Tho i was extremely happy they didnt give him a chance to void it out.

[shally]

Thomas is worth every penny.



Dock was not.

could not possibly agree more