OG/OT Leonard Davis to dallas

[soch21]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2787446

wow.... look at the money guards are getting this year!!!!

[smoak]

I'll merge this in the signing thread in a bit, but I think it is beneficial to stand out for awhile.

I really didn't care for Davis.

[danny's stogie]

Nice new avatar, soch!

[soch21]

hey thanks.... you guys where breaking my chops about the toe so bad i had to change it..... thats me and my son william.....

[shally]

I'll merge this in the signing thread in a bit, but I think it is beneficial to stand out for awhile.

I really didn't care for Davis.

it deserves a zip code of it's own.. the same as davis..

the skins wooed him with campbell taking him out for a "$100.00" lunch.. how do you spend 100 bucks on one person for lunch ? that is sheer gluttony.. so what did dallas feed him, BEVO ??

[Axegrinder]

D.C. or Dallas?Puh-leez......
This just goes to show what kind of a guy he is.I hope he gets what he deserves.:D

[schmitty199]

His deal better not exceed what Steinbach got like Smith says. Now to get Columbo resigned.

[akhhorus]

His deal better not exceed what Steinbach got like Smith says. Now to get Columbo resigned.

It will be more than what Dockery got from what everyone is saying. And he's to replace Columbo apparently at RT.

[schmitty199]

It will be more than what Dockery got from what everyone is saying. And he's to replace Columbo apparently at RT.

We'll see about that. Who would of thought Dielman would resign with the Chargers for 10 less then what Steinbach and Dockery got? Hopefully Jerry didnt follow the trend and overpay. Overpaying is probably unavoidable if you want any players this year......... especially after seeing Northcuts contract.:lol1:

[shally]

His deal better not exceed what Steinbach got like Smith says. Now to get Columbo resigned.

no way colombo gets re signed now.. as akh just said, davis is your new R tackle

[shally]

We'll see about that. Who would of thought Dielman would resign with the Chargers for 10 less then what Steinbach and Dockery got? Hopefully Jerry didnt follow the trend and overpay. Overpaying is probably unavoidable if you want any players this year......... especially after seeing Northcuts contract.:lol1:

the chargers got a deal with dielman.. and he took a little less than what he could likely have gotten to stay with his buddies on the charger line

[schmitty199]

no way colombo gets re signed now.. as akh just said, davis is your new R tackle

We'll see what Jerry has to say at the press conference on what position he'll play.

[shally]

We'll see what Jerry has to say at the press conference on what position he'll play.

for that kind of money he should play BOTH guard and tackle

but seriously, that has to throw a monkey wrench into the colombo negotiations

[schmitty199]

for that kind of money he should play BOTH guard and tackle

but seriously, that has to throw a monkey wrench into the colombo negotiations

And at his weight he should be able to take up that much space. :lol1:

I suppose it could drive up Columbos price. Which it seems was already pretty high. Unless Dallas was completely lowballing him.

[chrisbcbu]

His deal better not exceed what Steinbach got like Smith says. Now to get Columbo resigned.

I have a feeling its going to be much more than what steinbach got. Im thinking 7 year 56 million 21 SB.

[hockeygoalie29]

it deserves a zip code of it's own.. the same as davis..

the skins wooed him with campbell taking him out for a "$100.00" lunch.. how do you spend 100 bucks on one person for lunch ? that is sheer gluttony.. so what did dallas feed him, BEVO ??

Obviously you have never taken Randy Thomas out for lunch...:)

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

good. i never really wanted him here in the first palce. i didnt like the things i was hearing about him.

[shally]

Obviously you have never taken Randy Thomas out for lunch...:)

true.. i was using human standards...

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

good. i never really wanted him here in the first palce. i didnt like the things i was hearing about him.

Exactly, I didn't want him here at any price. He has been a bust so far and this contract proves Dallas is just as stupid as the Skins in FA. As questionable as the signings of Smoot & Fletcher may be they look like genius moves compared to this. Please, Dallas, let him be the RT so we can chase Romo all day long.

[schmitty199]

Article on the Davis signing.

Leonard Davis signing brings a massive OL from Dallas glory days to mind.



At first glance, Davis seems an even bigger version of Kevin Gogan, the 67, 335 lb. former tackle who manned the right guard slot during the 93 season. Gogan was stiff-legged but was a nasty straight-ahead blocker. The Cowboys were decidedly left handed in their approach; LG Nate Newton could pull and Dallas would run traps to the right side and tosses to Newtons left side.



They would not and could not balance this with traps left or tosses right because Gogan could not move in space. It didnt matter, as Gogan and RT Erik Williams were a devastating run blocking tandem and could blast lanes straight ahead.



Davis size, (68, 365 lbs.) gives the impression that hes a clod. As any UT fan can tell you, theres little fat on Davis frame. Hes an exception who fits the Cowboys profile for athletic linemen, as this passage from a scouting report notes:

Davis can also pull and run out in space. He uses his hands very well and has a strong punch and is a knee-bender who uses his leverage well. When he wants to, he can completely dominate opposing defenders. Despite playing at left tackle for many years he is best suited to play at guard if Davis would ever get a consistently nasty temper and stop thinking so much he would set a new standard for the guard position.

Of course, Davis game has massive flaws. Hes carried a reputation for laziness. He shuffled from position to position in Arizona and never seemed to find his place. Were he a standard setter the Cardinals would never had let him test the market.



The Cowboys plans look promising. They want to play Davis on the right side, where he has been more effective and hope to move him inside to guard, where his liabilities against speedy ends evaporate.



Hes Tony Sparanos work in progress now. If he can emulate Gogans guard play, hell be worth his massive investment. Right now, thats an if as big as Davis himself.

[akhhorus]

Article on the Davis signing.

Dallas has one good comedy writer at least.

[shally]

Article on the Davis signing.

i do not hear a word about colombo ? is davis really much of an upgrade of him ?

[schmitty199]

i do not hear a word about colombo ? is davis really much of an upgrade of him ?


Ehh.... idk. Columbo was getting pretty good as the season went on. The scary thing is before last offseason he didnt really even get to workout much do to a whole lot of injuries. He's just getting his full strength back. He could be a animal next year. It's hard to say if Davis would be a upgrade at RT. Davis would definetly be better at RT then LT but I still think his best fit is inside at OG.

Hopefully Columbo still get's resigned and Davis is put at OG. Im really getting anxious for those contract numbers.....

[schmitty199]

Jerry you tool.....


7 years worth nearly 50 million with 18 guarenteed.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/030507dnspoleonard.1b4a1ae9.html

Maybe some of that is incentives...... better be front loaded on the guarenteed money. That's usually how Jerry does buisness so probably.

[akhhorus]

Jerry you tool.....


7 years worth nearly 50 million with 18 guarenteed.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/030507dnspoleonard.1b4a1ae9.html

Maybe some of that is incentives...... better be front loaded on the guarenteed money. That's usually how Jerry does buisness so probably.

basically the same deal as Dockery got. :lol1: brava Jeruh. Brava.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I love to think that the Redskins helped inflate Davis price tag. I for one like the more measured and IMO shrewd approach the Skins are taking thus far. I can't believe the money being shelled out to OG this offseason. So glad the Skins passed on Davis, especially for that price. Somehow I don't think a large amount of guaranteed money is going to be the motivator that gets Davis to finally realize his enormous potential. I hope I am right.

[schmitty199]

I love to think that the Redskins helped inflate Davis price tag. I for one like the more measured and IMO shrewd approach the Skins are taking thus far. I can't believe the money being shelled out to OG this offseason. So glad the Skins passed on Davis, especially for that price. Somehow I don't think a large amount of guaranteed money is going to be the motivator that gets Davis to finally realize his enormous potential. I hope I am right.


They didnt pass Davis picked Dallas. He had offers from both.

I would call 5 million a year to ageing linebacker and 5 million a year to Smoot as "shrewed"

Id say washingtons overpaying like every single team whos made a signing so far. The salary cap should never of went up this much. :banghead:

[akhhorus]

They didnt pass Davis picked Dallas. He had offers from both.

I would call 5 million a year to ageing linebacker and 5 million a year to Smoot as "shrewed"

Id say washingtons overpaying like every single team whos made a signing so far. The salary cap should never of went up this much. :banghead:

Neither will be getting 5 million a year.

And its Shrewd :lol1:

As for overpaying, Buffalo spent 70 million on Langston Walker and Dockery(plus 20 million for Jason Whittle). San Fran gave out roughly 110 million for Clements, Mike lewis and Ashley Lelie. That blows away anything to skins have done frankly.

[MONK_in_HOF]

They didnt pass Davis picked Dallas. He had offers from both.

I would call 5 million a year to ageing linebacker and 5 million a year to Smoot as "shrewed"

Id say washingtons overpaying like every single team whos made a signing so far. The salary cap should never of went up this much. :banghead:

Davis "Picked" Dallas, b/c the offered much more than what the skins reportedly offered.

Plus when you consider the way the Skins have spent in the past, I would consider both Fletcher and to a lesser extent Smoot's deal as bargains.

Compare them to the moves of say:
- trading away picks for Lloyd and giving him a huge contract
-signing Archuleta to, at the time, the richest S contract in NFL history, when S wasn't a major position of need.
- Trading a 3rd rounder for the seldom used and now gone Duckett.

That is why, from my point of view, I am really happy with the skins approach this offseason. From my perspective and by comparison to the past, thus far their approach has been "shrewd" and refreshing. Now if only they had some draft picks to accompany that high slot they have. :banghead:

[schmitty199]

Neither will be getting 5 million a year.

If they plan on keeping either for more then a year their going to have to pay them eventually. Were the contracts front loaded back loaded or even?



As for overpaying, Buffalo spend 70 million on Langston Walker and Dockery(plus 20 million for Jason Whittle). San Fran gave out roughly 110 million for Clements, Mike lewis and Ashley Lelie. That blows away anything to skins have done frankly.

True. Neither team has done anything on that scale. To be honest Dallas could be up there pretty soon though. If the Porter thing works out and Columbo comes back the total of all the contracts could near 100 million.

[akhhorus]

If they plan on keeping either for more then a year their going to have to pay them eventually. Were the contracts front loaded back loaded or even?

Heavily backloaded. Just like every deal the skins sign.

True. Neither team has done anything on that scale. To be honest Dallas could be up there pretty soon though. If the Porter thing works out and Columbo comes back the total of all the contracts could near 100 million.

Just wait, TO is gonna ask for a raise by Easter.

[betterczechyourself]

Glad to hear we didn't sign him. Dockery is better, and even he got way more money than he deserves. If we had signed Davis for more than Dockery I would've been banging my head against a wall for the next week. Let the cowboys have the underachievers this offseason. Like someone said before: if Davis wasn't good enough for Russ Grimm, or even the CARDINALS line, then I'd avoid him like the plague. Now let's trade down and pick up some mid round picks and stack the team with young talent...for once.

[schmitty199]

Well it looks like Dallas is still in the market for a RT. Looks like Davis may be at RG after all.

Cowboys | Black could be an option
Sun, 4 Mar 2007 12:39:42 -0800

Tim MacMahon, of the Dallas Morning News, reports unrestricted free-agent OL Jordan Black (Chiefs), a Dallas Christian alum, could be an option for the Dallas Cowboys, especially if unrestricted free-agent OT Marc Colombo gets away.

Also said Columbos testing the market. And with little results. Unless some team comes through with big bucks he might just be coming on back.

[akhhorus]

Well it looks like Dallas is still in the market for a RT. Looks like Davis may be at RG after all.

Also said Columbos testing the market. And with little results. Unless some team comes through with big bucks he might just be coming on back.

Its funny how defensive you've become after the Davis signing. Speculating about how Black "could be an option" is a far cry from the cowboys actually interested in signing him. Quitting my job and moving to Idaho to start a militia devoted to the violent overthrow of ATM withdraw fees could be an option for me. I don't think its going to happen.

[skinsfaninva]

They didnt pass Davis picked Dallas. He had offers from both.

This may be true, but I thought that Davis wanted to go back to his Texas roots and used Washington as leverage for more money out of Dallas and Dallas fell for it. Suckers!!

I would call 5 million a year to ageing linebacker and 5 million a year to Smoot as "shrewed"

10 mil for a top 10 MB which was a huge need and a solid #2 or 3 CB at less than half of what Clements got. Both are solid pickups at moderate costs. Like you said everyone is "overpaying," which I believe there is no such thing. You pay what it takes to get the player. At least Washington is not giving out $17 mil for a "bust" of on O-lineman, $20 mil for a second tier OG, or a record contract for a CB that noone would argue is the best at his position muchless the best defensive player. All bashing of the Redskins' 2 signings as "overpaying" is blatant Redskin hating.

[schmitty199]

Its funny how defensive you've become after the Davis signing. Speculating about how Black "could be an option" is a far cry from the cowboys actually interested in signing him. Quitting my job and moving to Idaho to start a militia devoted to the violent overthrow of ATM withdraw fees could be an option for me. I don't think its going to happen.


Umm if you go back youll see I said the same thing yesterday as im saying today.

I said 50 million would be overpaying then.

I still say we overpayed.

I said his best fit is at RG where he could potentially dominate.

Im still saying that now.

I said we should still resign Columbo or go after someone else for RT if we signed Davis.

And im still saying it now.

and your point is?

[akhhorus]

Umm if you go back youll see I said the same thing yesterday as im saying today.

I said 50 million would be overpaying then.

I still say we overpayed.

I said his best fit is at RG where he could potentially dominate.

Im still saying that now.

I said we should still resign Columbo or go after someone else for RT if we signed Davis.

And im still saying it now.

and your point is?

I'm not saying that you are saying anything different, I'm saying you've become ultra-defensive since the signing. Calm down. And you're grabbing at smoke now with the RT stuff. Let us know if/when they bring back Columbo or actually offer Black. Your article makes it sound like its that writer's speculation and not fact.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'm glad the Skins did not end up with Davis. Obviously he can turn it around, but I've had enough of trying to fix underachievers. Also, it's sick that an underachiever can command such a hefty salary. He is being rewarded for his suckiness to this point.

[schmitty199]

Tim MacMahon, of the Dallas Morning News, reports the Dallas Cowboys are confident they will be able to re-sign free agent OL Marc Colombo (Cowboys).

It means Dallas is planning on playing Davis at OG unless all other plans fall through.

[Sharpshooter]

I think Davis is a lazy, waste of space...He has never played at the level he was selected, and as a AZ resident, I have seen plenty of Footage where he whiffs a block or screws up in some fashion....If we can get Branch, I could see him Blow past Davis, crush any HB attempting to block and slam Romo a foot deep into that big ugly star....OOH YEAHHH

[schmitty199]

2007 -- $3.667 million
2008 -- $4.417 million
2009 -- $7.917 million
2010 -- $7.667 million
2011 -- $8.667 million
2012 -- $9.667 million
2013 -- $7.600 million

Contract breakdown.

Who knows if Davis will see the last 17 million of that? So 1 way to look at it is 5 years 32 million. Depends where the guarenteed money is.....

1 thing I noticed was very low cap charges the 1st 2 years compared to the size of the contract. Wonder if Dallas is leaving room for Columbo and Porter?

[shally]

2007 -- $3.667 million
2008 -- $4.417 million
2009 -- $7.917 million
2010 -- $7.667 million
2011 -- $8.667 million
2012 -- $9.667 million
2013 -- $7.600 million

Contract breakdown.

Who knows if Davis will see the last 17 million of that? So 1 way to look at it is 5 years 32 million. Depends where the guarenteed money is.....

1 thing I noticed was very low cap charges the 1st 2 years compared to the size of the contract. Wonder if Dallas is leaving room for Columbo and Porter?

there is simply NO way that davis lasts 5 years.. he is a 2 year fix before he
makes it foolish to keep him any further

[schmitty199]

there is simply NO way that davis lasts 5 years.. he is a 2 year fix before he
makes it foolish to keep him any further

Well he's only 27 or 28 isnt he?

I think he could play 5. No way he finishes his contract though. 7 is just unrealistic.

[shally]

Well he's only 27 or 28 isnt he?

I think he could play 5. No way he finishes his contract though. 7 is just unrealistic.

27 or so.. his body is not in bad shape.. but there is no way he continues to make it worthwhile keeping him as his contract escalates past 2 years.

the cowboys have lots of draft picks and will draft his replacement this year and let him go in 2

[schmitty199]

27 or so.. his body is not in bad shape.. but there is no way he continues to make it worthwhile keeping him as his contract escalates past 2 years.

the cowboys have lots of draft picks and will draft his replacement this year and let him go in 2

It really depends on where the guarenteed money is. If theres alot of guarenteed money in year 4 and 5 it's not really realistic to cut him after 2 without a huge cap hit.

I would take a different plan of action to make up for his escalating contract. After this year or next I would get rid of Adams(his contract might expire in 2 years anyways... not sure) Who is pulling in like 9 a year last I checked. There's another guy severely overpaid. And draft a cheaper replacement for him. Helps offset Davis's salary.

[shally]

It really depends on where the guarenteed money is. If theres alot of guarenteed money in year 4 and 5 it's not really realistic to cut him after 2 without a huge cap hit.

I would take a different plan of action to make up for his escalating contract. After this year or next I would get rid of Adams(his contract might expire in 2 years anyways... not sure) Who is pulling in like 9 a year last I checked. There's another guy severely overpaid. And draft a cheaper replacement for him. Helps offset Davis's salary.

no. you are missing the point.. davis' play will never even justify his salary for the next 2 years.. he is going to take the money and run (orin his case, lie down like the dog he is).. the cowboy front office will be calculating where the break point is to get rid of him most cheaply.. it is performance that will determine how long he remains, more than anything

[BandWagon]

Quitting my job and moving to Idaho to start a militia devoted to the violent overthrow of ATM withdraw fees could be an option for me. I don't think its going to happen.

THAT is hysterical! Funnier than Davis in a speedo.

[RedskinRyan]

THAT is hysterical! Funnier than Davis in a speedo.

i got something funnier

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/1685786