Okoye getting visit from Redskins - KFFL.com reports

[bgforever]

Redskins | Team to visit with Okoye
Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:46:25 -0800

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the Washington Redskins have scheduled a private visit with Louisville DT Amobi Okoye, according to league sources.

[dj_stouty]

Good for them. This will give them a better idea of just how good this kid is...all while giving the impression that the #6 is valuable to them.

It's business as usual, until a trade has been agreed upon.

[smoak]

I think visitations are more important than the measurables. Attitude and personality are much more vital in a team sport than the 40 yard dash.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I think visitations are more important than the measurables. Attitude and personality are much more vital in a team sport than the 40 yard dash.
Especially for a DT..chances are he's never even gonna have to run that long in his career...

[danny's stogie]

I think visitations are more important than the measurables. Attitude and personality are much more vital in a team sport than the 40 yard dash.

I'm a little worried that they fall too much in love with Okoye's character and because of this, they start ignoring what a dynamic, game-changing physical presence Branch can be.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'm a little worried that they fall too much in love with Okoye's character and because of this, they start ignoring what a dynamic, game-changing physical presence Branch can be.
Maybe the reasoning is that if we trade down Branch will almost certainly be gone..unless it's one or two spots...

[smoak]

I'm a little worried that they fall too much in love with Okoye's character and because of this, they start ignoring what a dynamic, game-changing physical presence Branch can be.

Yeah, I still take character and attitude first... If I had a $1 for everyone I thought "could be" great I wouldn't be working.

That said, I know of no issue with Branch's charater/attitude and see him as the better pro prospect. I am just sick and tired of guys who get that first pay day and never bother to earn it.

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, I still take character and attitude first... If I had a $1 for everyone I thought "could be" great I wouldn't be working.

That said, I know of no issue with Branch's charater/attitude and see him as the better pro prospect. I am just sick and tired of guys who get that first pay day and never bother to earn it.

If Branch had a bad attitude I'd agree with the first part, but he doesn't. By all accounts he's a really good natured, humble guy, but Okoye apparently impresses everyone he talks to.

[smoak]

Especially for a DT..chances are he's never even gonna have to run that long in his career...

I just look at Jerry Rice. He was the fastest. He wasn't the strongest. He was not close to being the best WR prospect.

But he had an unbelievable work ethic and attitude. The rest is history.

[smoak]

If Branch had a bad attitude I'd agree with the first part, but he doesn't. By all accounts he's a really good natured, humble guy, but Okoye apparently impresses everyone he talks to.

Yeah, as I said, all my comments are general statements and not meant to indicate preferance of one guy over the other. I truly believe that Leaf was the better physical prospect the year he went #2 so I think this is a vital step no matter who we take.

[skinfan43]

This kid is a flat-out STUD, IMO.
Okoye's only 19, skipped a couple grades, very bright and incredibly gifted physically and athletically, plus his frame will only grow stronger in the next couple of years... Sporting News just did a featured article on him, gives you an idea of what he's all about:
http://mobile.sportingnews.com/exclusives/20070309/843463.html

This stuck out to me:
...NFL teams know he has the potential for a long, successful career just from watching his tapes. And his age doesn't scare them.

"I look at it as a positive," DeCosta says. "If he's playing this well at this age, what's he going to be like when he's 22 or 23 and has reached full maturity? He's going to be a beast."
Okoye's a guy we might be able to pick up in a trade-down scenario w/Houston or someone else...but not any lower than maybe 15, IMHO...then use the extra pick on a DE, or perhaps a CB or LB.

[danny's stogie]

Yeah, as I said, all my comments are general statements and not meant to indicate preferance of one guy over the other. I truly believe that Leaf was the better physical prospect the year he went #2 so I think this is a vital step no matter who we take.

Leaf was the better physical prospect, a lot of people even said that Manning's name helped elevate him to blue chip status. Few people, however, counted on Manning having the type of work ethic he does or Leaf being such a headcase.

[shally]

Good for them. This will give them a better idea of just how good this kid is...all while giving the impression that the #6 is valuable to them.

It's business as usual, until a trade has been agreed upon.

hopefully, they can end up with the best of both worlds.. trade down a bit and still get the player they really want

[shally]

I just look at Jerry Rice. He was the fastest. He wasn't the strongest. He was not close to being the best WR prospect.

But he had an unbelievable work ethic and attitude. The rest is history.

sure he had the work ethic.. but he had an incredible skill set to begin with.. he was faster than a lot of people credit him for.. how many times can you recall him being caught from behind ?

[akhhorus]

I would be happy with either Okoye or Branch, however, I think we can deal down to 8-12 and get one of them.

[shally]

I would be happy with either Okoye or Branch, however, I think we can deal down to 8-12 and get one of them.

agree.. also, i have seen a couple of blurbs indicated that quinn is rising once again.. if he is still there at 6 i bet we get some nibbles to trade with us

[The Skinsinator]

Okoye's a guy we might be able to pick up in a trade-down scenario w/Houston or someone else...but not any lower than maybe 15, IMHO...then use the extra pick on a DE, or perhaps a CB or LB.This is the scenario I covet the most. If we're arguing which position needs upgraded more then why not do both? I would be ecstatic if we get Okoye and draft a brand new end. There is plenty of talent in this draft to do just that.

[shally]

This is the scenario I covet the most. If we're arguing which position needs upgraded more then why not do both? I would be ecstatic if we get Okoye and draft a brand new end. There is plenty of talent in this draft to do just that.

we need a willing partner to make the deal work. i do not think that will happen till draft day because teams that want to move 2-4 spaces do it for a specific player.. the parameters are already set, but the deal does not happen unless the player they want is still there when the redskins come up to pick

[whistleandthumb]

I would be happy with either Okoye or Branch, however, I think we can deal down to 8-12 and get one of them.
I agree about being happy with either. I think DT is more of a need for us than DE.

I hope you're right about one or both being available later in the round, though I think Branch might be gone by then. Okoye has a chance to still be there, though if he's as impressive as everyone says, he might go early, too.

[smoak]

Leaf was the better physical prospect, a lot of people even said that Manning's name helped elevate him to blue chip status. Few people, however, counted on Manning having the type of work ethic he does or Leaf being such a headcase.

I didn't follow the draft as closely then, but I thought I saw an article where several FO types publicly wondered about Ryan Leaf's personality and considered it a deterrent to drafting him.... Maybe that was just post draft hindsight, but that is where my whole "interview importance" theory was born.

[akhhorus]

I agree about being happy with either. I think DT is more of a need for us than DE.

I hope you're right about one or both being available later in the round, though I think Branch might be gone by then. Okoye has a chance to still be there, though if he's as impressive as everyone says, he might go early, too.

It going to be extremely interesting what Branch ends up doing. Either he's going to go in the top 6, or he's going to down big time on mistaken perception. And where he goes will have the biggest effect on the entire draft order. I don't think Okoye gets past 15 though. If we can deal down to 12ish, we should still be able to get either one of those two, and then use the picks we get(Buffalo's 2 3rds add up with a swap of 6 for 12) on a guy like Jay Moore or Ikaika Alama-Francis

[shally]

It going to be extremely interesting what Branch ends up doing. Either he's going to go in the top 6, or he's going to down big time on mistaken perception. And where he goes will have the biggest effect on the entire draft order. I don't think Okoye gets past 15 though. If we can deal down to 12ish, we should still be able to get either one of those two, and then use the picks we get(Buffalo's 2 3rds add up with a swap of 6 for 12) on a guy like Jay Moore or Ikaika Alama-Francis

agree about okoye not dropping to 15... i do not think he will even drop that far. a lot has to do with whether carricker gets attention inthat 10-15 range as i think he will.

who do you think the bills are looking for, peterson ? even though they have anthony thompson, i would not think they would feel good about him being their primary back even though he played well last year for them

[HanburgerBum]

It going to be extremely interesting what Branch ends up doing. Either he's going to go in the top 6, or he's going to down big time on mistaken perception. And where he goes will have the biggest effect on the entire draft order. I don't think Okoye gets past 15 though. If we can deal down to 12ish, we should still be able to get either one of those two, and then use the picks we get(Buffalo's 2 3rds add up with a swap of 6 for 12) on a guy like Jay Moore or Ikaika Alama-Francis


Do you really think Okoye would be available beyond the top 10? I seriously doubt it because I think he has already leaped over Branch on most boards. Further, if the Skins keep the No. 6 spot and if Okoye, Branch, Adams, Anderson are all still there, I am betting Washington will pick Okoye. And, I believe the team would be choosing between him or Anderson. I don't think Branch is even in the picture for the No. 6 spot for the Skins.

[Meatsnack]

Your premise is a great argument for trading down. If we stay in the top dozen, we will have a shot at one of Landry, Okoye, Branch, Adams, Anderson, Moss, Carricker, etc. There are plenty of great players in the top half of round 1 that can help us. Given how often these guys don't live up to the hype, spreading your risk around makes a lot of sense.

{Edit} If we could pull it off, I don't have a problem trading down more than once. Pozluzney/Willis/Nelson/Harrell are pretty great consolation prizes if coupled with a more Day 1 picks.

[akhhorus]

Do you really think Okoye would be available beyond the top 10? I seriously doubt it because I think he has already leaped over Branch on most boards. Further, if the Skins keep the No. 6 spot and if Okoye, Branch, Adams, Anderson are all still there, I am betting Washington will pick Okoye. And, I believe the team would be choosing between him or Anderson. I don't think Branch is even in the picture for the No. 6 spot for the Skins.

There's only 1 board where I've seen him ahead of Branch. And that doesn't mean any team has done the same. I like Okoye, but he's still a work in progress. Branch isn't and is as talented, more physically dominating and is more accomplished. The problem with Okoye is that he probably won't go early(its possible) and the teams from 7-12 have bigger needs than DT(Minnesota will not draft him, Houston needs other things more, same with Miami, Atlanta, San Fran and Buffalo).

[HanburgerBum]

There's only 1 board where I've seen him ahead of Branch. And that doesn't mean any team has done the same. I like Okoye, but he's still a work in progress. Branch isn't and is as talented, more physically dominating and is more accomplished. The problem with Okoye is that he probably won't go early(its possible) and the teams from 7-12 have bigger needs than DT(Minnesota will not draft him, Houston needs other things more, same with Miami, Atlanta, San Fran and Buffalo).


If you are right about teams 7-12, the Skins should definitely trade down into that area to pick up an extra choice or two. To me, it is evident that their target is Okoye, not Branch (this may not be smart according to your evaluation, but I think the FO simply prefers Okoye).

But, it takes two to tango, and there is no assurance that Washington will be offered a decent trade from teams 7-12. So, don't be surprised if the Skins keep the No. 6 slot because they appear to be extremely high on Okoye, and I believe they won't move down beyond a spot where they can get him. I am thinking it is becoming less likely there would be any trade with Denver (No. 21 is too far down in Washington's eyes).

[bgforever]

If you are right about teams 7-12, the Skins should definitely trade down into that area to pick up an extra choice or two. To me, it is evident that their target is Okoye, not Branch (this may not be smart according to your evaluation, but I think the FO simply prefers Okoye).

But, it takes two to tango, and there is no assurance that Washington will be offered a decent trade from teams 7-12. So, don't be surprised if the Skins keep the No. 6 slot because they appear to be extremely high on Okoye, and I believe they won't move down beyond a spot where they can get him. I am thinking it is becoming less likely there would be any trade with Denver (No. 21 is too far down in Washington's eyes).

This is likely, more and more, because teams are loading up at CB, Safety. That's why the Skins may be making Archuletta a trade, because he wants to start, and the Skins don't want to cut him with that big salary. Teams want the secondary shored up NOW, so they can go DL, OL, WR, QB, TE.

By staying at #6, getting picks for Archuletta and eating his cap hit, we can get a top DL, then possibly in the same round or top of 2nd get another key position.

so how does Okoye and Carriker sound :) or Okoye, CB, TE, OL, OL

[shally]

If you are right about teams 7-12, the Skins should definitely trade down into that area to pick up an extra choice or two. To me, it is evident that their target is Okoye, not Branch (this may not be smart according to your evaluation, but I think the FO simply prefers Okoye).

But, it takes two to tango, and there is no assurance that Washington will be offered a decent trade from teams 7-12. So, don't be surprised if the Skins keep the No. 6 slot because they appear to be extremely high on Okoye, and I believe they won't move down beyond a spot where they can get him. I am thinking it is becoming less likely there would be any trade with Denver (No. 21 is too far down in Washington's eyes).

only way we go to 21 is if we intend to trade back up part way and keep only som eof the picks we get (like the champ bailey trade scenario)

[bgforever]

I didn't follow the draft as closely then, but I thought I saw an article where several FO types publicly wondered about Ryan Leaf's personality and considered it a deterrent to drafting him.... Maybe that was just post draft hindsight, but that is where my whole "interview importance" theory was born.

Eaactly what Mora said, when he SKIPPED Leaf and took Manning.

[BigCountry]

Yeah, I still take character and attitude first... If I had a $1 for everyone I thought "could be" great I wouldn't be working.

That said, I know of no issue with Branch's charater/attitude and see him as the better pro prospect. I am just sick and tired of guys who get that first pay day and never bother to earn it.

Branch's work ethic and conditioning has come into question. I'm alone on this but I don't like the thought of falling into another Gerrard Warren, Jimmy Kennedy, Albert Haynseworth, ect... trap.

[BigCountry]

There's only 1 board where I've seen him ahead of Branch. And that doesn't mean any team has done the same. I like Okoye, but he's still a work in progress. Branch isn't and is as talented, more physically dominating and is more accomplished. The problem with Okoye is that he probably won't go early(its possible) and the teams from 7-12 have bigger needs than DT(Minnesota will not draft him, Houston needs other things more, same with Miami, Atlanta, San Fran and Buffalo).

Buffalo is a possible destination IMO. They're one of the harder teams to predict because they could just as easily draft a cornerback but there's a pretty good chance they draft Okoye, even though Jaron likes bigger tackles.

[akhhorus]

Buffalo is a possible destination IMO. They're one of the harder teams to predict because they could just as easily draft a cornerback but there's a pretty good chance they draft Okoye, even though Jaron likes bigger tackles.

Possible, they need a new MLB, a new CB, a 2nd recieving threat and a RB now. DT is a luxury for them.

[skinfan43]

Possible, they need a new MLB, a new CB, a 2nd recieving threat and a RB now. DT is a luxury for them.
Right about that. The Buffoons supposedly have re-vamped their offensive line, but lost their best (and thusfar only capable) running back in McGahee...makes me wonder if they have their draft radar locked onto Peterson at RB, and may be a trade down partner w/us if they want him that badly.
How about their 1st and a third this year, plus their first rounder next year for our #6...price you pay for a possible franchise back, I'd say.

[warpaint]

Right about that. The Buffoons supposedly have re-vamped their offensive line, but lost their best (and thusfar only capable) running back in McGahee...makes me wonder if they have their draft radar locked onto Peterson at RB, and may be a trade down partner w/us if they want him that badly.
How about their 1st and a third this year, plus their first rounder next year for our #6...price you pay for a possible franchise back, I'd say.

i saw just a minute or so of peterson s work out yesterday on sports center,he really looked great in the receving drills they had him running,really hope he is on the board when we draft, shouldnt be a problem with us getting a lot to trade down.

[smoak]

Branch's work ethic and conditioning has come into question. I'm alone on this but I don't like the thought of falling into another Gerrard Warren, Jimmy Kennedy, Albert Haynseworth, ect... trap.

It would be interesting for someone to prove or disprove, but I feel like DEs fail more frequently than DTs in the first round.

[Poindexter]

Well on the positive side you have players like Henderson, Stroud and Haynesworth. However, on the other side you have players like Kennedy and Stubbs who have been bust so far. All of the above players are the same size as Branch and for the most part they have faired pretty well.

As far as DE's there aren't too true DE's to come out. Most DE's are playing LB and those that have stayed at the position haven't been too good at all. The Vikings have not faired too well lately, Mario who I thought would dominate hasn't developed but Seymore, Peppers and Allen are 6'6 guys who have also gotten it done. I know Branch isn't going to be a bust but I am not sure if Anderson won't turn into a Tyler Brayton rather than Seymore.

[akhhorus]

It would be interesting for someone to prove or disprove, but I feel like DEs fail more frequently than DTs in the first round.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=917813&postcount=97

I did a run down of that last 25 top 10 DLmen, the odds of a major bust at DE in the top ten isn't very high, but the odds on a DT busting out are greater.

Well on the positive side you have players like Henderson, Stroud and Haynesworth. However, on the other side you have players like Kennedy and Stubbs who have been bust so far. All of the above players are the same size as Branch and for the most part they have faired pretty well.

As far as DE's there aren't too true DE's to come out. Most DE's are playing LB and those that have stayed at the position haven't been too good at all. The Vikings have not faired too well lately, Mario who I thought would dominate hasn't developed but Seymore, Peppers and Allen are 6'6 guys who have also gotten it done. I know Branch isn't going to be a bust but I am not sure if Anderson won't turn into a Tyler Brayton rather than Seymore.

Thats not true that there aren't many true DEs that have come out. Peppers, Freeney, Hali, Williams, Spears, James, Castillo, Kiwi, Will Smith, Udeze(Babin was a LB), Ty Warren, McDougle, Haynes(Suggs was a DE/LB), Brayton, Charles Grant(Bryan Thomas was a DE/LB), Reynolds, Seymour, Smith, Courtney Brown, Shaun Ellis and Erik Flowers(Abraham was a DE/LB) were all pure defensive ends in college. Castillo and Warren played some DT also. Those are all the first round DEs since 2000.

[BIGSEF3]

everything that i've read about okoye makes me feel hes is being vastly overrated and hes basically a solid player, but not extraordinary. his youth is a big gimmick and everyone is falling for it.

here's my take - his age means he could play in the nfl a really time - maybe 3-4 years longer than your average defensive lineman. however, scouting reports all say he needs to develop alot so the first couple years are probably going pretty rough for him. so whoever signs him is going to do all the hard work getting him to be a really good player - get maybe 4 really GOOD years out of him (Depending on how quickly he progresses), then lose him to free agency. Personally, I'd rather some other team develop him and then if he's that good, we could always pick him up then.

I think Okoye is probably the 6th-5th best defensive lineman on the board. If we trade down far enough and he was the best guy left, then good. however, i would have a heart attack if we picked him when adams, branch, anderson, or carriker were still on the board. if it was between him and moss, i'd say its a tossup.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

This is a good point, we need to get the one guy who is ready to play at the NFL level, no matter whether he is a DE or DT. But, we need someone who is going to be a contributer this year. Maybe Okoye is not as far away as you think, but maybe he is.
I thought the only 2 who are ready to play at this level are Branch and Adams, and Adams is only good for pass rush downs.
I hope we make the right choice.

[HanburgerBum]

This is likely, more and more, because teams are loading up at CB, Safety. That's why the Skins may be making Archuletta a trade, because he wants to start, and the Skins don't want to cut him with that big salary. Teams want the secondary shored up NOW, so they can go DL, OL, WR, QB, TE.

By staying at #6, getting picks for Archuletta and eating his cap hit, we can get a top DL, then possibly in the same round or top of 2nd get another key position.

so how does Okoye and Carriker sound :) or Okoye, CB, TE, OL, OL


I think you are wrong if you think the Bears are going to give the Skins picks. If the trade for AA were made, it is more likely Washington would have to give Chicago a pick along with AA. That's the price a team has to pay for getting cap relief. I believe the NFL, like the NBA, is heading that way.

[HanburgerBum]

only way we go to 21 is if we intend to trade back up part way and keep only som eof the picks we get (like the champ bailey trade scenario)


I don't see the Skins as having enough ammunition to trade back up to 7-12 after going down to 21. If they do that, the extra pick(s) resulting from all this movement may be so insignificant as to make the whole thing not worth the trouble.

[bgforever]

I think you are wrong if you think the Bears are going to give the Skins picks. If the trade for AA were made, it is more likely Washington would have to give Chicago a pick along with AA. That's the price a team has to pay for getting cap relief. I believe the NFL, like the NBA, is heading that way.


So right you are. I also put that same thing on another post somewhere else,later, when I reconciled how Chicago would do. I had them asking the Skins for a #3 and Arch for Vasher as worst case and #5 and Arch as best case. It was all a longshot pipe dream kind of thing anyway, because Chicago's looking a bit wobbly lately with all the departures and shakeup. Vasher isn't likely a trade bait anyway.

[Skins7ny]

So right you are. I also put that same thing on another post somewhere else,later, when I reconciled how Chicago would do. I had them asking the Skins for a #3 and Arch for Vasher as worst case and #5 and Arch as best case. It was all a longshot pipe dream kind of thing anyway, because Chicago's looking a bit wobbly lately with all the departures and shakeup. Vasher isn't likely a trade bait anyway.

I would look at Chicago and Indy, with the last two choices in round 4, or possibly round five. If we could get a pick in that range, I would consider that a victory under the circumstances.

[MikeBass]

I'm a little worried that they fall too much in love with Okoye's character and because of this, they start ignoring what a dynamic, game-changing physical presence Branch can be.

Okoye's stock is rising while Branch's is dropping and there has to be reasons for both instances. I think that we should take Okoye and I,also, think that it would be possible to get him if we trade down a few spots.

[joethefan]

I'm a little worried that they fall too much in love with Okoye's character and because of this, they start ignoring what a dynamic, game-changing physical presence Branch can be.

it's always good to have all of your bases covered....

[gibbs!we!trust!]

We need to trade down and Get Okoye with the 1st and get Arron Sears with obtain 2nd rounder.:lol1:

[bgforever]

everything that i've read about okoye makes me feel hes is being vastly overrated and hes basically a solid player, but not extraordinary. his youth is a big gimmick and everyone is falling for it.

here's my take - his age means he could play in the nfl a really time - maybe 3-4 years longer than your average defensive lineman. however, scouting reports all say he needs to develop alot so the first couple years are probably going pretty rough for him. so whoever signs him is going to do all the hard work getting him to be a really good player - get maybe 4 really GOOD years out of him (Depending on how quickly he progresses), then lose him to free agency. Personally, I'd rather some other team develop him and then if he's that good, we could always pick him up then.

I think Okoye is probably the 6th-5th best defensive lineman on the board. If we trade down far enough and he was the best guy left, then good. however, i would have a heart attack if we picked him when adams, branch, anderson, or carriker were still on the board. if it was between him and moss, i'd say its a tossup.


Jack, I mean BIGSEF3, I never looked at it that way. This would discombobulate my whole set of wheels on the draft, trade possibilities. I guess, its back to popcorn and watch what happens now. We're just over 30 days away from the draft, so I will fade this weekend and wait till a day before it all starts, or should I say, just before midnight of the day before :)

[BIGSEF3]

Jack, I mean BIGSEF3, I never looked at it that way. This would discombobulate my whole set of wheels on the draft, trade possibilities. I guess, its back to popcorn and watch what happens now. We're just over 30 days away from the draft, so I will fade this weekend and wait till a day before it all starts, or should I say, just before midnight of the day before :)

Since I made that statement, Okoye is the TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN on mel kiper's big board. So I will be eating those words of mine now.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html

7. Amobi Okoye Sr. DT Louisville
8. Jamaal AndersonJr. DE Arkansas
9. Gaines Adams Sr. DE Clemson
24. Alan Branch Jr. DT Michigan

[Dolla Bill]

Since I made that statement, Okoye is the TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN on mel kiper's big board. So I will be eating those words of mine now.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html



Mel knows what he's talking about....sometimes....


There is no way on this green Earth that Branch should be ranked 24th on his board.

[HanburgerBum]

Since I made that statement, Okoye is the TOP DEFENSIVE LINEMAN on mel kiper's big board. So I will be eating those words of mine now.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html


Do you think Akh took Kiper's latest top 25 list into consideration in Akh's latest mock, which has the Skins trading down to No. 12 with Buffalo and selecting Okoye?

Dlinemen are usually picked higher than their rankings on such lists. The top rated Dlineman is very unlikely to last to No. 12. If the Skins are serious about getting Okoye, they may not be able to trade down at all. In fact, it may even be possible that they would have to move up a spot or two to get him.

[BIGSEF3]

Do you think Akh took Kiper's latest top 25 list into consideration in Akh's latest mock, which has the Skins trading down to No. 12 with Buffalo and selecting Okoye?

Dlinemen are usually picked higher than their rankings on such lists. The top rated Dlineman is very unlikely to last to No. 12. If the Skins are serious about getting Okoye, they may not be able to trade down at all. In fact, it may even be possible that they would have to move up a spot or two to get him.

ironically, mel still has okoye being the 3rd defensive lineman taken in the draft. i'm scratching my head on that one. i guess mel values okoye alot, but doesnt think teams will share his view.

[smoak]

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=917813&postcount=97

I did a run down of that last 25 top 10 DLmen, the odds of a major bust at DE in the top ten isn't very high, but the odds on a DT busting out are greater.



Thats not true that there aren't many true DEs that have come out. Peppers, Freeney, Hali, Williams, Spears, James, Castillo, Kiwi, Will Smith, Udeze(Babin was a LB), Ty Warren, McDougle, Haynes(Suggs was a DE/LB), Brayton, Charles Grant(Bryan Thomas was a DE/LB), Reynolds, Seymour, Smith, Courtney Brown, Shaun Ellis and Erik Flowers(Abraham was a DE/LB) were all pure defensive ends in college. Castillo and Warren played some DT also. Those are all the first round DEs since 2000.

Is that second quote even mine? The style is different and it doesn't seem like something I remember saying??

Either way, interesting stuff.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Is that second quote even mine? The style is different and it doesn't seem like something I remember saying??

Either way, interesting stuff.
It's not (it's Poindexter's). I think this akh fellow should be banned.

[akhhorus]

It's not (it's Poindexter's). I think this akh fellow should be banned.

Agreed lol.

[smoak]

It's not (it's Poindexter's). I think this akh fellow should be banned.

I think he is actually.... He is like Milton from Office Space. He was banned, but nobody bothered to tell him so he keeps showing up. :D

[akhhorus]

I think he is actually.... He is like Milton from Office Space. He was banned, but nobody bothered to tell him so he keeps showing up. :D

Actually, to tell the truth, Akh hasn't actually posted here in 3 months. What you see here is just embedded software into the HR mainframe. The real Akh and becky have been on an extended vacation in the Bahamas and have no plans to go home or near a computer any time soon.

[santanadasavior]

I think Okoye may end up being the best investment in the draft long term. By no stretch of the imagination is he the best right now, but he is young (19) and he is smart (enrolled at Louisville at 16). I know books don't really come into play on the football field but that knowledge can be applied to everything he does.

[skinsfan36]

I think Okoye may end up being the best investment in the draft long term. By no stretch of the imagination is he the best right now, but he is young (19) and he is smart (enrolled at Louisville at 16). I know books don't really come into play on the football field but that knowledge can be applied to everything he does.
yeah this kid could be a pro bowler before he can drink