Adam Archuletta's Fate?

[bgforever]

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Redskins | Team has until Wednesday to make a decision on Archuleta
Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:00:13 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have until Wednesday, March 21, to work out a new contract or a trade for S Adam Archuleta. He will be owed a $5 million guaranteed bonus Wednesday. Several NFL executives have said they believe Archuleta needs to rework his contract in order to get traded.

[BIGSEF3]

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Redskins | Team has until Wednesday to make a decision on Archuleta
Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:00:13 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have until Wednesday, March 21, to work out a new contract or a trade for S Adam Archuleta. He will be owed a $5 million guaranteed bonus Wednesday. Several NFL executives have said they believe Archuleta needs to rework his contract in order to get traded.

wait a minute.... i dont get how we have until wednesday and our ONLY two options are to work out a new contract or trade him.

We could keep him and pay him the $5 million or cut him and take the $5 millon cap hit. Its not like those arent options. The ball is in the skins court and they can do whatever they want.

Personally, i'm hoping "the godfather" makes him an offer he can't refuse.

[SkinsFan@FortBragg]

This is the link to the Washington Post...dated tomorrow 17 March.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/16/AR2007031601979.html

[FanFromArizona]

Personally, i'm hoping "the godfather" makes him an offer he can't refuse.


"I'd like you to meet my little friend!" :lol1:

[FanFromArizona]

wait a minute.... i dont get how we have until wednesday and our ONLY two options are to work out a new contract or trade him.

We could keep him and pay him the $5 million or cut him and take the $5 millon cap hit. Its not like those arent options. The ball is in the skins court and they can do whatever they want.

Personally, i'm hoping "the godfather" makes him an offer he can't refuse.

They are going to use the June 1st rule on him.....

[BIGSEF3]

They are going to use the June 1st rule on him.....

well if he's gone, and we trade down to picks 8-14, then theres a very good chance we draft landry with our 1st pick. imagining him and taylor roaming the field together is SCARY.

[LATrueRedskin]

Keep him.

[bgforever]

well if he's gone, and we trade down to picks 8-14, then theres a very good chance we draft landry with our 1st pick. imagining him and taylor roaming the field together is SCARY.


There goes our guesses with any closeness to what the FO will do. Its another option that floats like a bad turd till we hear on Wed whaddup.

Let this deal be a lesson to all that think throwing money at a player is an answer to your problems. Now he IS the problem.

[FanFromArizona]

I'm surprised that we haven't seen more cuts to give us additional cap space.

The only question about keeping AA is the cap hit we would incur.
If we were to get rid of other players(Patten, one of Renaldo Wynn or Phillip Daniels) I am sure we could absorb the cap hit associated with AA's departure.

Does AA have a role on this team? I guess we'll find out on Wednesday.

[BIGSEF3]

Keep him.

Ideally I would agree. I honestly dont think he was given a "fair shot." By all reports he was a "model citizen" last year so i dont really understand this. We must have found out he was "deepskin" as theres really no fiscal sense to get rid of him now.

[bgforever]

Ideally I would agree. I honestly dont think he was given a "fair shot." By all reports he was a "model citizen" last year so i dont really understand this. We must have found out he was "deepskin" as theres really no fiscal sense to get rid of him now.


"deepskin"??? haven't heard that one, except thickskin

[bgforever]

This is the link to the Washington Post...dated tomorrow 17 March.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/16/AR2007031601979.html

Thanks, hail Ft. Bragg, NC - Rangers!!!

[BIGSEF3]

"deepskin"??? haven't heard that one, except thickskin

the "anonymous" source that went public last season and aired all the teams dirty laundry, explaining why the defense was so horrible. alot of people started calling the source "deepskin"... you know, like, "deepthroat" from the watergate scandal.

Most skins fans suspected it was either AA or Springs, as the player was obviously disgruntled and seemed to focus on the problems between the safeties and receivers coaches.

[bgforever]

the "anonymous" source that went public last season and aired all the teams dirty laundry, explaining why the defense was so horrible. alot of people started calling the source "deepskin"... you know, like, "deepthroat" from the watergate scandal.

Most skins fans suspected it was either AA or Springs, as the player was obviously disgruntled and seemed to focus on the problems between the safeties and receivers coaches.


Oh, ok, like deepthroat, that's like a blo.. nevermind , I mean blowhard snitcher, like in Watergate, Ok, got it :lol1:
Well looks like he might be going in "Deep Space Nine" now.

[LATrueRedskin]

Ideally I would agree. I honestly dont think he was given a "fair shot." By all reports he was a "model citizen" last year so i dont really understand this. We must have found out he was "deepskin" as theres really no fiscal sense to get rid of him now.

I think he can be really good for us if we can generate a pass rush with our front 4 and front 7. Getting Fletcher and, in turn, upgrading our linebacker depth helps, and drafting a good DLineman will help, too. Getting rid of Archuleta and (probably) not having Prioleau ready just creates another spot for us to fill, and drafting a guy like Landry still doesn't solve our overall problem on defense.

[BIGSEF3]

I think he can be really good for us if we can generate a pass rush with our front 4 and front 7. Getting Fletcher and, in turn, upgrading our linebacker depth helps, and drafting a good DLineman will help, too. Getting rid of Archuleta and (probably) not having Prioleau ready just creates another spot for us to fill, and drafting a guy like Landry still doesn't solve our overall problem on defense.

i'm with ya man.... looks like youre getting close to a HUGE milestone. Hopefully you won't have to waste your 10,000th on archuletta.

[bgforever]

I think he can be really good for us if we can generate a pass rush with our front 4 and front 7. Getting Fletcher and, in turn, upgrading our linebacker depth helps, and drafting a good DLineman will help, too. Getting rid of Archuleta and (probably) not having Prioleau ready just creates another spot for us to fill, and drafting a guy like Landry still doesn't solve our overall problem on defense.


My take on this is:

Is AA aware of where this puts the team in the first place. Personally, I feel he pulled a Deion and it shows among the Lockerroom and on the field. Remember Deion was "good" with the media and community too. However, Deion's legend, like it or not, was already molded. AA has done absolutely nothing but smack the cash cow and our FO was dumb enough to bite, I mean even if he was wanted and they had to have him, how in the sam hill did they fall for that huge contract???

So the bottom line is, he felt, hey, they dumb enough to pay it to me, I'll take it. Why do I think he thinks that. He knew full well he'd tank, there's more HIDING from this guy, than he'd like to tell. He should get an oscar, if not a reworked contract and sent to the back of the line as a converted LB, backup Lb, take the vet minimun over the next two years. That way he can take his stinking money and leave in 2008.

I don't like him and think his money will make him miserable.

[BIGSEF3]

My take on this is:

Is AA aware of where this puts the team in the first place. Personally, I feel he pulled a Deion and it shows among the Lockerroom and on the field. Remember Deion was "good" with the media and community too. However, Deion's legend, like it or not, was already molded. AA has done absolutely nothing but smack the cash cow and our FO was dumb enough to bite, I mean even if he was wanted and they had to have him, how in the sam hill did they fall for that huge contract???

So the bottom line is, he felt, hey, they dumb enough to pay it to me, I'll take it. Why do I think he thinks that. He knew full well he'd tank, there's more HIDING from this guy, than he'd like to tell. He should get an oscar, if not a reworked contract and sent to the back of the line as a converted LB, backup Lb, take the vet minimun over the next two years. That way he can take his stinking money and leave in 2008.

I don't like him and think his money will make him miserable.

i'm sorry but i have to disagree with you here. by all reports, arch was extremely excited to play here. who wouldnt be with greg williams record and the fact we had just come off a 10-6 season. further, i remember hearing how he spent all his time here before signing with WILLIAMS going over the playbook and how he could be used.

The problem developed when Arch wasnt used the way GW promised he would be. GW tried to make Arch something he wasnt (alot of that was due to PPs injury) and it just didnt work out. Evidently, Arch said or did something to get in steve jacksons doghouse. Williams stood by his coach and arch was benched.

Its just that simple. As much as I like crazy ideas and conspiracies, nothing of the sort happened here.

As to the contract, we gave arch a standard 30M contract. its essentially what we were giving EVERYONE. Randel El, Carter, Lloyd, even Moss the year before.... NONE of them deserved the money they got based on their performance with thier prior teams. Moss turned out to be a pleasant "surprise" and has proved he's worth every penny. the rest of the bunch, to varrying degrees, have not. its just business.

[3644Skins]

Keep him.


I have to agree with you there, let's just make the best we can out of this situation, put him in a position to succeed, if that's close to the line of scrimmage than so be it.

[LATrueRedskin]

My take on this is:

Is AA aware of where this puts the team in the first place. Personally, I feel he pulled a Deion and it shows among the Lockerroom and on the field. Remember Deion was "good" with the media and community too. However, Deion's legend, like it or not, was already molded. AA has done absolutely nothing but smack the cash cow and our FO was dumb enough to bite, I mean even if he was wanted and they had to have him, how in the sam hill did they fall for that huge contract???

So the bottom line is, he felt, hey, they dumb enough to pay it to me, I'll take it. Why do I think he thinks that. He knew full well he'd tank, there's more HIDING from this guy, than he'd like to tell. He should get an oscar, if not a reworked contract and sent to the back of the line as a converted LB, backup Lb, take the vet minimun over the next two years. That way he can take his stinking money and leave in 2008.

I don't like him and think his money will make him miserable.

The Redskins initiated the negotiations, and paid him fully to keep him away from Chicago. The market demands your worth, not you yourself. How much Archuleta is getting paid is the Redskins' fault and the Redskins' fault alone.

I doubt he went into the season knowing and wanting to "tank", I think a terrible overall defense (which set records for least sacks and least amount of turnovers) exposed his weakness and he couldn't recover. I don't blame the Redskins for benching him, reallly, but that doesn't mean that he can't bounce back and play well for a well-improved defense.

[joethefan]

Let this deal be a lesson to all that think throwing money at a player is an answer to your problems. Now he IS the problem.


you're absolutely right.....

[bgforever]

I deleted my other rant, it was way too far out there. I will just have to face it that, I am better off staying away again for a while. This team has me happy about one and so pissed about them the next. They can keep the roller coaster, I will just check back on them a day before the draft.

Here's a good reason I think he's my candiate for big question mark on steroids.
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

Yeah right, if we all did this so-called miracously workout, our team would be monsters today. Yet I guess those huge workout numbers didnt' absorb and repell good enough on a "football" field. Thousands have tried out for teams, and I feel no remorse for how I feel about this player and the way he's stringing out coach's decision to move forward. Like I said, I love coach Gibbs. I could care less about AA and the approach of his ego/$ needs. Kudos to others WHO COULD HAVE SAID NO OR WALKED FROM THE TEAM, yet gave the coach ample time to work with everything, so both parties could be set on whether they wanted to go or coach would have time to plan. Do you really think this guy's a real Redskin?

All those players using that system of his faded like ghosts. There is a crash and burn with drug use. Steroids has its signature too. Powerful, yet fragile.

[BIGSEF3]

I deleted my other rant, it was way too far out there. I will just have to face it that, I am better off staying away again for a while. This team has me happy about one and so pissed about them the next. They can keep the roller coaster, I will just check back on them a day before the draft.

Here's a good reason I think he's my candiate for big question mark on steroids.
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

Yeah right, if we all did this so-called miracously workout, our team would be monsters today. Yet I guess those huge workout numbers didnt' absorb and repell good enough on a "football" field. Thousands have tried out for teams, and I feel no remorse for how I feel about this player and the way he's stringing out coach's decision to move forward. Like I said, I love coach Gibbs. I could care less about AA and the approach of his ego/$ needs. Kudos to others WHO COULD HAVE SAID NO OR WALKED FROM THE TEAM, yet gave the coach ample time to work with everything, so both parties could be set on whether they wanted to go or coach would have time to plan. Do you really think this guy's a real Redskin?

All those players using that system of his faded like ghosts. There is a crash and burn with drug use. Steroids has its signature too. Powerful, yet fragile.

arch was the first one i thought of and i cast my vote. maybe he'll go to jail and we wont have to pay him anything.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

arch was the first one i thought of and i cast my vote. maybe he'll go to jail and we wont have to pay him anything.
Are you suggesting that you would be happy to see someone in jail so the Redskins can save cap room? Seriously?

[hail2skins]

I deleted my other rant, it was way too far out there. I will just have to face it that, I am better off staying away again for a while. This team has me happy about one and so pissed about them the next. They can keep the roller coaster, I will just check back on them a day before the draft.

Here's a good reason I think he's my candiate for big question mark on steroids.
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

Yeah right, if we all did this so-called miracously workout, our team would be monsters today. Yet I guess those huge workout numbers didnt' absorb and repell good enough on a "football" field. Thousands have tried out for teams, and I feel no remorse for how I feel about this player and the way he's stringing out coach's decision to move forward. Like I said, I love coach Gibbs. I could care less about AA and the approach of his ego/$ needs. Kudos to others WHO COULD HAVE SAID NO OR WALKED FROM THE TEAM, yet gave the coach ample time to work with everything, so both parties could be set on whether they wanted to go or coach would have time to plan. Do you really think this guy's a real Redskin?

All those players using that system of his faded like ghosts. There is a crash and burn with drug use. Steroids has its signature too. Powerful, yet fragile.I believe Skins Patrol said it was a former Redskin.

[Smiley]

I think we'll end up keeping Arch without reworking his contract. We have to make this work.

[csquared]

I deleted my other rant, it was way too far out there. I will just have to face it that, I am better off staying away again for a while. This team has me happy about one and so pissed about them the next. They can keep the roller coaster, I will just check back on them a day before the draft.

Here's a good reason I think he's my candiate for big question mark on steroids.
http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

Yeah right, if we all did this so-called miracously workout, our team would be monsters today. Yet I guess those huge workout numbers didnt' absorb and repell good enough on a "football" field. Thousands have tried out for teams, and I feel no remorse for how I feel about this player and the way he's stringing out coach's decision to move forward. Like I said, I love coach Gibbs. I could care less about AA and the approach of his ego/$ needs. Kudos to others WHO COULD HAVE SAID NO OR WALKED FROM THE TEAM, yet gave the coach ample time to work with everything, so both parties could be set on whether they wanted to go or coach would have time to plan. Do you really think this guy's a real Redskin?

All those players using that system of his faded like ghosts. There is a crash and burn with drug use. Steroids has its signature too. Powerful, yet fragile.
Ok i read the article. How did you get steroids out of that? it explained everything he did. Its not like David Boston when he was being injected with "vitamins". I think your fishing for something that isnt there.

[smave]

Ok i read the article. How did you get steroids out of that? it explained everything he did. Its not like David Boston when he was being injected with "vitamins". I think your fishing for something that isnt there.

exactly what i was thinking

[chris]

maybe there is a way to trade him...averyone keeps saying trade back but maybe we could trade arch. to detriot to switch picks from 6 to 2....then we could draft calvin johnson!!not our biggest need but man what an offence!!!!he did play for mike marts at one time....

[smave]

maybe there is a way to trade him...averyone keeps saying trade back but maybe we could trade arch. to detriot to switch picks from 6 to 2....then we could draft calvin johnson!!not our biggest need but man what an offence!!!!he did play for mike marts at one time....


im sorry, but i dont think we should be going into the draft, thinking "lets get Calvin Johnson"

we dont have a reason to move up, our problems are on defense..

[BIGSEF3]

Are you suggesting that you would be happy to see someone in jail so the Redskins can save cap room? Seriously?

if he's the guilty party then yes, i would be thrilled.

[chris]

we do have more problems on d. but we have answerd most of those in free agents...I would much reather trade back myself and get more picks but that isent very likely becouse alsmot every other team wants to also..the colts have proved that you can win with a high powerd off. and a med level d. so why not go get the best off. guy in this draft...give cambell that big target we really need...trade arch. this year and cut or trade lloyd next year when we can afford to...if all we have to give up is arch to get calvin johnson then to me it makes all the since in the world

[BluCollarGuy]

we do have more problems on d. but we have answerd most of those in free agents...I would much reather trade back myself and get more picks but that isent very likely becouse alsmot every other team wants to also..the colts have proved that you can win with a high powerd off. and a med level d. so why not go get the best off. guy in this draft...give cambell that big target we really need...trade arch. this year and cut or trade lloyd next year when we can afford to...if all we have to give up is arch to get calvin johnson then to me it makes all the since in the world
I dunno, how have we addressed a pretty significant weakness on the d-line? Flethcer and Smoot made this d better, but it's not fixed. The D will be better as of now, how much better is yet to be seen, but maybe top 15 IMO, right now. I was actually thinking of this earlier this morning trying to get through the snow to get home. Gil Brandt was on the radio talking about "why all the Redskins people were at CJ's workout?" and ofcourse, "where there's smoke there's fire, are the Skins interested in trading up to get CJ?". Personally, I think it would be crazy, BUT, with CJ and Moss on the outside, Randle El in the slot, Cooley being Cooley, Portis and Betts behind a pretty decent(if not pretty good) O-line, who could stop this offense? If CJ is there, the Skins had better just take him and smile all the way to the SB, if he's not, find a trade partner and get more pics, there are so many good defensive players in this draft, a significant impact on the roster is capable. I don't think there is a "for sure" d-lineman in the draft, but a lot guys who could be something special, but this means high risk. I would also love to Landry lined up opposite ST, what fun to watch that would be, but I doubt that'll happen.

What's this to do with AA? Simple, AA's contract will have an OUTRAGEOUS effect on the cap if we cut or trade him without the "receiving" team providing cap relief(which is so rare it's almost "unheard of"). Keep him, play him, and look for some d-line depth after the draft. With PP back, GW should be capable of putting AA to use where he has a chance to make plays, the guy has skills, just need to use them properly.

AA is a very capable player, and only GW's inability to adapt his defense to his roster will keep this defense as bad as it was last season. Next year? HUH!, that's a year away!

[BurgundyNGold]

Honestly, I never wanted AA to be here in the first place. He's a good guy and all and I wish him the best wherever he plays, but if we cut or traded him for a bagel, I couldn't care less.

[shally]

Honestly, I never wanted AA to be here in the first place. He's a good guy and all and I wish him the best wherever he plays, but if we cut or traded him for a bagel, I couldn't care less.

i agree.. i think he was a mistake from the get go and somebody just missed the boat.. perhaps if both springs and PP had not gotten hurt his deficiencies would not have been so exposed.. but one way or the other, we grossly overpaid for his services.

that said, if we release him, it will be interesting to see how much he can command on the open market in this weird year. nothing would surprise me

[BIGSEF3]

Honestly, I never wanted AA to be here in the first place. He's a good guy and all and I wish him the best wherever he plays, but if we cut or traded him for a bagel, I couldn't care less.

considering the cap hit we would take, i would definately hold out for one of those asiago cheese ones from panera with the tomato cream cheese spread. if they they threw in a cup of coffee, too, then its a nobrainer.

that said, if we release him, it will be interesting to see how much he can command on the open market in this weird year. nothing would surprise me

it was definately a thin year for free agent safeties, so he could probably get a fairly good deal from a team like chicago. if we hold onto him until next year, then AA's screwed. There may be several really strong safeties becoming available and AA just wouldnt stack up well against the competiton.

[shally]

considering the cap hit we would take, i would definately hold out for one of those asiago cheese ones from panera with the tomato cream cheese spread. if they they threw in a cup of coffee, too, then its a nobrainer.

we are in damage-control mode now.. minimizing the cap hit, if possible, and trying to get something out of a bad situation

[BIGSEF3]

we are in damage-control mode now.. minimizing the cap hit, if possible, and trying to get something out of a bad situation

well lets say we did minimize the hit and traded him to chicago.... what could we reasonably expect from the bears in terms of compensation?

[akhhorus]

well lets say we did minimize the hit and traded him to chicago.... what could we reasonably expect from the bears in terms of compensation?

Conditional 08 pick. That would be fine with me.

[BIGSEF3]

Conditional 08 pick. That would be fine with me.

whats our best-case scenario on an 08 pick? 3rd?

[shally]

whats our best-case scenario on an 08 pick? 3rd?

i doubt we even get that.. the bears have the whip hand.. the only leverage we have is when we release AA.. more likely, as inthe case with lavar, the only thing we get back is some kind of cap relief.. i really do not expect either player or pick

[Skins7ny]

whats our best-case scenario on an 08 pick? 3rd?

I think if the Bears really want him this year, which maybe they should given the fact that their secondary plays much worse when Mike Green gets hurt every year, we should push for their pick at the end (next-to-last) of the fourth round. 126th pick in the draft, which will slide down once compensatories are announced. I would settle for their pick at the bottom of the 5th round.

[BIGSEF3]

if we dont get cap releif and we dont get decent compensation, there is no reason to cut or trade him.

[HanburgerBum]

well lets say we did minimize the hit and traded him to chicago.... what could we reasonably expect from the bears in terms of compensation?


I think BNG's idea of a bagel in return for AA is on the right track. I believe those of us who think the Bears will give Washington some real compensation (player, draft choice) are delusional. Chicago has no motivation to fork over anything of value for a player whose shortcomings have now been totally exposed. Unless some team can play him as a semi-linebacker where he doesn't have to cover anybody, he is of no use to any team.

Washington would be lucky if the Bears agree to give AA a one million dollar bonus and thereby allow the Skins to take a slightly reduced cap hit of 8 million (9 million minus the 1 million AA will forego from his guaranteed 5 million from Washington). And, I still don't think it to be out of the question that Chicago would actually demand a pick from the Skins (instead of the other way around) to seal the deal.

When a team makes a really bad FA signing, there is usually very bad consequences.

[HanburgerBum]

if we dont get cap releif and we dont get decent compensation, there is no reason to cut or trade him.


Yes, there is still a reason to cut AA even if no decent compensation can be obtained in a trade for him. An extremely overpaid player who can't beat out players making a tenth his pay will be a cancer in the locker room.

[MikeBass]

well if he's gone, and we trade down to picks 8-14, then theres a very good chance we draft landry with our 1st pick. imagining him and taylor roaming the field together is SCARY.

Not necessarily, we are stock-piled with safeties. Prioleau will be back and we resigned Fox ,and too, there's Dougherty who will be given a shot this season so I do not think there is a chance that we go safety in this years draft.

[BluCollarGuy]

if we dont get cap releif and we dont get decent compensation, there is no reason to cut or trade him.
I couldn't agree more, unless we get something back, keep him, at the worst he's good special teams player(he is a big hitter).
I also disagree that he won't have any suitors, he IS a pretty good STRONG safety, just not FREE safety. He has value, just not the value the the Skins put on him. Chicago does want him, and considering their safety situation, they might be willing to give up a second day pic for him. I read earlier that his agent was in contact with Chicago about the contract possibilities, but his agent has also said in the past that he was NOT willing to give up ANY of his guaranteed money. So who knows, maybe we'll get lucky for change.

[shally]

I think BNG's idea of a bagel in return for AA is on the right track. I believe those of us who think the Bears will give Washington some real compensation (player, draft choice) are delusional. Chicago has no motivation to fork over anything of value for a player whose shortcomings have now been totally exposed. Unless some team can play him as a semi-linebacker where he doesn't have to cover anybody, he is of no use to any team.

Washington would be lucky if the Bears agree to give AA a one million dollar bonus and thereby allow the Skins to take a slightly reduced cap hit of 8 million (9 million minus the 1 million AA will forego from his guaranteed 5 million from Washington). And, I still don't think it to be out of the question that Chicago would actually demand a pick from the Skins (instead of the other way around) to seal the deal.

When a team makes a really bad FA signing, there is usually very bad consequences.


absolutely agree.. the bears are cheap and are not going to fork over any money. it will have to come from arch himself in exchange for his release.


once he is free, the bears are likley to be one of the few teams who even have an interest in arch. we will see what they are even willing to part with to sign him

their front office is well aware of all of this. no picks will be forcoming

[BluCollarGuy]

Yes, there is still a reason to cut AA even if no decent compensation can be obtained in a trade for him. An extremely overpaid player who can't beat out players making a tenth his pay will be a cancer in the locker room.
Disagree here too. He was by ALL accounts from the rest of the team, a model teammate. I seriously doubt it was him who did the interview last year, other players talked as if they knew who had done it, and they made several references that suggested to me it was a Redskin veteran(things like "With all this guy has done for the Redskin organization over the years, he must have had a good reason for doing this").

Not necessarily, we are stock-piled with safeties. Prioleau will be back and we resigned Fox ,and too, there's Dougherty who will be given a shot this season so I do not think there is a chance that we go safety in this years draft.
I agree we will MOST LIKELY NOT draft a safety early if we trade down, but may later, if the CB they like in the 2nd or 3rd rnd isn't there and there is a safety they like, don't be surprised. There will still be some pretty good ones later on day 1.

[BIGSEF3]

I couldn't agree more, unless we get something back, keep him, at the worst he's good special teams player(he is a big hitter).
I also disagree that he won't have any suitors, he IS a pretty good STRONG safety, just not FREE safety. He has value, just not the value the the Skins put on him. Chicago does want him, and considering their safety situation, they might be willing to give up a second day pic for him. I read earlier that his agent was in contact with Chicago about the contract possibilities, but his agent has also said in the past that he was NOT willing to give up ANY of his guaranteed money. So who knows, maybe we'll get lucky for change.

I don't care if we don't get compensation as long as we get cap releif (if AA bought his way out like lavar did.) If we don't get cap relief, then we DO need compensation. We have to get one or the other. Personally, I dont feel he has any real value to this team (hence the asiago chese bagel comment). however there is no financial reason to cut him and take a huge cap hit, when we can keep him, even if its just as a backup/special teamer. my preference would be to get cap releif and a 5th-6th rounder in the draft. however, if we can only have one or the other, i would prefer the cap relief to just cut him and let him pick his own team

[BluCollarGuy]

I don't care if we don't get compensation as long as we get cap releif (if AA bought his way out like lavar did.) If we don't get cap relief, then we DO need compensation. We have to get one or the other. Personally, I dont feel he has any real value to this team (hence the asiago chese bagel comment). however there is no financial reason to cut him and take a huge cap hit, when we can keep him, even if its just as a backup/special teamer. my preference would be to get cap releif and a 5th-6th rounder in the draft. however, if we can only have one or the other, i would prefer the cap relief to just cut him and let him pick his own team
He is not likely going to buy his way out the way Lavar did. His agent has already made it pretty clear that he isn't giving up any money. And, cap relief IMO, would be a form of compensation, which can be paid out by a team involved in a trade.

[bgforever]

CSQUARED you're right, that's a misinterpretation by me.

BIGSEF3 and AKH, right on the money. My attittude was bluring my innervision.

Also, Archuletta will net no higher than a 2, but he will be more likely to go 3or lower.
He DOES have a game, and its HOW you use him, so in that regard, I have to digress from previous mistatements and rants.

I believe Skins Patrol said it was a former Redskin BY HAIL2SKINS

Dang it! I forgot, and I was the one who had seen that earlier! Thanks.
Guys, I had a bad night didn't I - again :(

[skinsfan36]

this is an interesting situation i could care less what happens with him but
-if we keep him gw will find a way to use him somehow
-if he costs us 7 million to cut keep him
-if he costs 2 million after given bonuses back cya
-if we can trade him for even a 6th rounder then sweet but i dont like the cap hit
-i want to extend cooley,and if we cant extend cooley if we cut AA(cap hit) then im going to be pretty mad

[Skins7ny]

Disagree here too. He was by ALL accounts from the rest of the team, a model teammate. I seriously doubt it was him who did the interview last year, other players talked as if they knew who had done it, and they made several references that suggested to me it was a Redskin veteran(things like "With all this guy has done for the Redskin organization over the years, he must have had a good reason for doing this").


I agree we will MOST LIKELY NOT draft a safety early if we trade down, but may later, if the CB they like in the 2nd or 3rd rnd isn't there and there is a safety they like, don't be surprised. There will still be some pretty good ones later on day 1.

I don't think we get rid of AA unless we get a draft pick or cap relief in return. If we can get both, great. The fact that they agreed to delay the deadline by a week or two tells me that they are working together and have a mutual interest in getting amicably divorced. Doesn't mean it will happen.

As far as finding AA another role this year, using him better, I don't see it happening. Yes, our poor CB play/injuries were a factor in him not being on the field, but a SS has to be able to cover in the game nowadays. I think that there has been a sea change in the way the game is played because of the new bump rules, and smaller WR's are coming back into vogue and run-stuffing strong safeties are becoming obsolete. That is why AA was such a mistake, why Michael Lewis got benched in Philly, and why Roy Williams for all his publicity, has become a liability for the Cowgirls. The way the game has developed the last couple of years, a strong safety has to be able to cover, he cannot be a small LB with LB-plus type cover skills. That is what those guys are.

[BluCollarGuy]

I don't think we get rid of AA unless we get a draft pick or cap relief in return. If we can get both, great. The fact that they agreed to delay the deadline by a week or two tells me that they are working together and have a mutual interest in getting amicably divorced. Doesn't mean it will happen.

As far as finding AA another role this year, using him better, I don't see it happening. Yes, our poor CB play/injuries were a factor in him not being on the field, but a SS has to be able to cover in the game nowadays. I think that there has been a sea change in the way the game is played because of the new bump rules, and smaller WR's are coming back into vogue and run-stuffing strong safeties are becoming obsolete. That is why AA was such a mistake, why Michael Lewis got benched in Philly, and why Roy Williams for all his publicity, has become a liability for the Cowgirls. The way the game has developed the last couple of years, a strong safety has to be able to cover, he cannot be a small LB with LB-plus type cover skills. That is what those guys are.
I agree with your point, however, there aren't very many SSs that fit the bill (one of the reasons this draft is soooooooo deep at safety is that there are several). ST isn't exactly the best cover safety either(though I think he got a bad rap last year he was one on one with some #1 WRs last year and didn't do all that badly), but GW has him in the role where he is suited best, which is one of the reasons AA was such a liabilty, 2 guys with the same skill sets(granted ST is a MUCH better player, by a long shot, but my point remains).

But we do see things pretty much the same, without compensation, we should keep him, the cap hit is just TOOOOOOOOO big.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I hope we keep him too but for us to postpone the roster bonus is kind of like the writing on the wall. We've gotta find a way to play him because he's an excellent tackler and still a good player. He's just not good in coverage and it is GW's responsibility to find a way to use him like the Colts us Bob Sanders. Bottom line I believe if we do not have as many injuries in the secondary, we'll find a way to use him. Additionally his contract demands us to keep him on the team. However, I still believe it was totally inexcusable for us not to play him at least once on defense during the last half of the season.

[MikeBass]

I hope we keep him too but for us to postpone the roster bonus is kind of like the writing on the wall. We've gotta find a way to play him because he's an excellent tackler and still a good player. He's just not good in coverage and it is GW's responsibility to find a way to use him like the Colts us Bob Sanders. Bottom line I believe if we do not have as many injuries in the secondary, we'll find a way to use him. Additionally his contract demands us to keep him on the team. However, I still believe it was totally inexcusable for us not to play him at least once on defense during the last half of the season.

I agree and I have said the same about AA before but there is another gentleman that brought up a good point. He stated that being a safety that AA should know how to cover. I think that he could used, somehow, also and teams should know that he played LB in college and before making a committment to him should know that he is not going to be one of the best coverage guys. If they take him they are accepting that risk.

[garedskin]

I'm surprised that we haven't seen more cuts to give us additional cap space.

The only question about keeping AA is the cap hit we would incur.
If we were to get rid of other players(Patten, one of Renaldo Wynn or Phillip Daniels) I am sure we could absorb the cap hit associated with AA's departure.

Does AA have a role on this team? I guess we'll find out on Wednesday.


Well I am not sure why they would need more cap space at this point in fa.
Last I heard they where about 8 million under.
Don't know if their is anyone left in fa that would require them to even free up more money.
When they need some space they will make the NECESSARY moves.:Peace:

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I would think that this would be the least of their concerns. There are other players that should've been cut before dealing with AA. I don't know of a team that would trade for him and pick up his huge contract. The only option is to cut him or keep him. I doubt he restructures his contract. I mean it's not like the SKINS have been nice to him, except for his paycheck.

[BluCollarGuy]

I would think that this would be the least of their concerns. There are other players that should've been cut before dealing with AA. I don't know of a team that would trade for him and pick up his huge contract. The only option is to cut him or keep him. I doubt he restructures his contract. I mean it's not like the SKINS have been nice to him, except for his paycheck.
I agree, the only realistic options seem to be to keep him on the roster and find a way to use him well, or to cut him.
Well I am not sure why they would need more cap space at this point in fa.
Last I heard they where about 8 million under.
Cutting him would reportedly cost us close to 9 mil in cap space, and we haven't signed any drafted players yet. The cap space is a pretty big deal at this point. There are still players left who can be cut without much of an impact on the team(as far as the play on the field anyway), and I am sure one of the reasons they have done the things they have, the WAY they have, is to prepare for the possibilities of moveing either AA or SS, or both.

Just a guess

[shally]

Not necessarily, we are stock-piled with safeties. Prioleau will be back and we resigned Fox ,and too, there's Dougherty who will be given a shot this season so I do not think there is a chance that we go safety in this years draft.

unfortunately, the safeties we have been stockpiling have been career backups. not saying they should use the pick on landry, but having him there would be a world of difference than fox- or have you forgotten what happened the last time fox tried to tackle a runner ? he looked like some pictures i have seen in the kama sutra-- all by himself. it looked like he grew 2 extra legs he was so twisted up...

i am a fan of doughty.. but he needs to prove he belongs on an nfl roster this year.. first things first...

[shally]

I agree, the only realistic options seem to be to keep him on the roster and find a way to use him well, or to cut him.

Cutting him would reportedly cost us close to 9 mil in cap space, and we haven't signed any drafted players yet. The cap space is a pretty big deal at this point. There are still players left who can be cut without much of an impact on the team(as far as the play on the field anyway), and I am sure one of the reasons they have done the things they have, the WAY they have, is to prepare for the possibilities of moveing either AA or SS, or both.

Just a guess

i would prefer to believe that our strategy this off season has more to do with past experiences and sanity than the effects of AA's contract.. but, sometimes good things come out of bad circumstances.. that would be one

[danny's stogie]

i would prefer to believe that our strategy this off season has more to do with past experiences and sanity than the effects of AA's contract.. but, sometimes good things come out of bad circumstances.. that would be one

I wouldn't mind drafting Landry. The NFL won't let players touch the QB or his receivers so you need safeties that are good in coverage.

[shally]

I wouldn't mind drafting Landry. The NFL won't let players touch the QB or his receivers so you need safeties that are good in coverage.

the problem is that they would likely have to take him at 6 to get a real shot at him.. trading down in the 10-12 range might not do it..

i would still favor a trade down to 10-12.. someone from the group willis, landry, carricker, okoye would still be there and that would be a heck of a consolation prize for that move

[BIGSEF3]

the problem is that they would likely have to take him at 6 to get a real shot at him.. trading down in the 10-12 range might not do it..

i would still favor a trade down to 10-12.. someone from the group willis, landry, carricker, okoye would still be there and that would be a heck of a consolation prize for that move

I agree. we can't really go wrong with any of the players that will be there in the 9-14 range. there should be 2-3 really good players at positions of need there, and the extra picks we would get would make it worthwhile.

Personally, I'm still hoping we can work something out with Denver.

[HanburgerBum]

Disagree here too. He was by ALL accounts from the rest of the team, a model teammate. I seriously doubt it was him who did the interview last year, other players talked as if they knew who had done it, and they made several references that suggested to me it was a Redskin veteran(things like "With all this guy has done for the Redskin organization over the years, he must have had a good reason for doing this").


I agree we will MOST LIKELY NOT draft a safety early if we trade down, but may later, if the CB they like in the 2nd or 3rd rnd isn't there and there is a safety they like, don't be surprised. There will still be some pretty good ones later on day 1.


I am not saying that AA will be a cancer in the locker room because he will behave badly. He will be a cancer simply because he is making way too much money compared to players on the team who are better and playing ahead of him. It's just human nature. Wouldn't you resent some bozo in your office who makes a lot more than you because he is a boss's favorite?

[HanburgerBum]

CSQUARED you're right, that's a misinterpretation by me.

BIGSEF3 and AKH, right on the money. My attittude was bluring my innervision.

Also, Archuletta will net no higher than a 2, but he will be more likely to go 3or lower.
He DOES have a game, and its HOW you use him, so in that regard, I have to digress from previous mistatements and rants.

BY HAIL2SKINS

Dang it! I forgot, and I was the one who had seen that earlier! Thanks.
Guys, I had a bad night didn't I - again :(


"Archuletta will net no higher than a 2, but he will be more likely to go 3 or lower"?

If you seriously think a 2nd or a 3rd coming to the Skins for trading AA is still in play, I would like some of what you are smoking.

[HanburgerBum]

I don't think we get rid of AA unless we get a draft pick or cap relief in return. If we can get both, great. The fact that they agreed to delay the deadline by a week or two tells me that they are working together and have a mutual interest in getting amicably divorced. Doesn't mean it will happen.

As far as finding AA another role this year, using him better, I don't see it happening. Yes, our poor CB play/injuries were a factor in him not being on the field, but a SS has to be able to cover in the game nowadays. I think that there has been a sea change in the way the game is played because of the new bump rules, and smaller WR's are coming back into vogue and run-stuffing strong safeties are becoming obsolete. That is why AA was such a mistake, why Michael Lewis got benched in Philly, and why Roy Williams for all his publicity, has become a liability for the Cowgirls. The way the game has developed the last couple of years, a strong safety has to be able to cover, he cannot be a small LB with LB-plus type cover skills. That is what those guys are.


I agree that the new bump rules have made coverage skills important even for a strong safety. Everybody in the League knows this. So, why would any team give anything of value for a safety like AA, now that he has been totally exposed?

As for the delay in the bonus deadline, I think the Skins and AA are desperately trying to come up with a way for him to leave without the team having to take the maximum (9 million) cap hit. But, I am not optimistic because in the end AA won't forgo his guaranteed bonus. And, it is very difficult to visualize how the Skins can salvage anything out of this fiasco without AA giving up some of that guaranteed money.

[HanburgerBum]

I hope we keep him too but for us to postpone the roster bonus is kind of like the writing on the wall. We've gotta find a way to play him because he's an excellent tackler and still a good player. He's just not good in coverage and it is GW's responsibility to find a way to use him like the Colts us Bob Sanders. Bottom line I believe if we do not have as many injuries in the secondary, we'll find a way to use him. Additionally his contract demands us to keep him on the team. However, I still believe it was totally inexcusable for us not to play him at least once on defense during the last half of the season.


Why was it inexcusable not to play AA in the last half of the season? Did you watch him in the first half?

Why wouldn't you want your best players on the field? A sure way for the coaches to "lose" a team is play players in accordance with what they are being paid, not who are the best players.

[HanburgerBum]

Well I am not sure why they would need more cap space at this point in fa.
Last I heard they where about 8 million under.
Don't know if their is anyone left in fa that would require them to even free up more money.
When they need some space they will make the NECESSARY moves.:Peace:


Why would the Skins need more cap space when they are already 8 million under?

Well, how about the possibility of having to eat 9 million in cap room for releasing or trading Archuleta? And, there is still the problem of resolving Springs' contract--not to mention the cap space that will be needed to sign the draft choices (particularly if the No. 6 pick is kept). Also, wouldn't this offseason be a great time to extend Taylor and Cooley?

[Skins7ny]

I agree that the new bump rules have made coverage skills important even for a strong safety. Everybody in the League knows this. So, why would any team give anything of value for a safety like AA, now that he has been totally exposed?

As for the delay in the bonus deadline, I think the Skins and AA are desperately trying to come up with a way for him to leave without the team having to take the maximum (9 million) cap hit. But, I am not optimistic because in the end AA won't forgo his guaranteed bonus. And, it is very difficult to visualize how the Skins can salvage anything out of this fiasco without AA giving up some of that guaranteed money.

I agree with you on both counts. Only hope is that someone who coached him in the past, like Lovie Smith, or someone who wants him as a 2-down run player, would give up a draft pick for him. Otherwise, we keep him this year and cut him next February and process him as a Jun 2008 cut to spread the cap hit an extra year (absent a huge comeback).

[smoak]

My favorite Archuleta:
http://brew-haus.com/1images/state_fair_beer_1.jpg

Any others can stay or go.... I really don't care.

[BurgundyNGold]

My favorite Archuleta:

Any others can stay or go.... I really don't care.
http://www.reflections.it/interviste/2005/roberto_benigni/01.jpg

[shally]

I agree. we can't really go wrong with any of the players that will be there in the 9-14 range. there should be 2-3 really good players at positions of need there, and the extra picks we would get would make it worthwhile.

Personally, I'm still hoping we can work something out with Denver.

that would complicate things because i would prefer not to drop all the way to 21.. so it means another trade back up.. could happen, but it sure makes things complicated

[shally]

My favorite Archuleta:
http://brew-haus.com/1images/state_fair_beer_1.jpg

Any others can stay or go.... I really don't care.

interesting.. where is that ? california ? arizona ??

[bgforever]

"Archuletta will net no higher than a 2, but he will be more likely to go 3 or lower"?

If you seriously think a 2nd or a 3rd coming to the Skins for trading AA is still in play, I would like some of what you are smoking.

Smoke only the good stuff - Oxygen :D

I don't seriously think anything for Archuletta WILL go that high, ever. However, in the imperfect world it CAN happen. Now on to further developments........

The Indianapolis Colts have parted with Cato June, when he signed with another team. That LB position is for a smallish LB, which is the same size as Archuletta, and Dungy had June playing closer to the line. He is far better in a Cover 2, which is Dungy's style, and he's young enough to give them at least another 5 yrs at the position. Everyone loves a winner, and Archuletta would have a hard time passing that up. In fact he's for a trade, as long as he keeps his dough, but if that attraction is strong enough all sides, Colts, Skins, Archuletta, we can possibly work out a deal for the later mid-round round pick.

June's comparative size and stats.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396004


Archuletta is 6-0 feet also, and weighs 223 lbs, just 4 less than June. Uses the box with same fevor for tackling at the line and like June wouldn't be counted on to work against receivers.

[shally]

Smoke only the good stuff - Oxygen :D

I don't seriously think anything for Archuletta WILL go that high, ever. However, in the imperfect world it CAN happen. Now on to further developments........

The Indianapolis Colts have parted with Cato June, when he signed with another team. That LB position is for a smallish LB, which is the same size as Archuletta, and Dungy had June playing closer to the line. He is far better in a Cover 2, which is Dungy's style, and he's young enough to give them at least another 5 yrs at the position. Everyone loves a winner, and Archuletta would have a hard time passing that up. In fact he's for a trade, as long as he keeps his dough, but if that attraction is strong enough all sides, Colts, Skins, Archuletta, we can possibly work out a deal for the later mid-round round pick.

i will be truly amazed if we net out ANYTHING at all..

[NCskinsfanatic]

i will be truly amazed if we net out ANYTHING at all..
I don't think we should be parting with him unless he's "demanding to be released...or else". Why take that hit, he could work situationally and perhaps very effectively if not in pass coverage certainly against the run, as a blitzer, ya know, like we did with Bowen...who also struggled in coverage.

[shally]

I don't think we should be parting with him unless he's "demanding to be released...or else". Why take that hit, he could work situationally and perhaps very effectively if not in pass coverage certainly against the run, as a blitzer, ya know, like we did with Bowen...who also struggled in coverage.

i agree.. if the cannot work anything out then just keep him and try to find some use for him for this year..

[HanburgerBum]

Smoke only the good stuff - Oxygen :D

I don't seriously think anything for Archuletta WILL go that high, ever. However, in the imperfect world it CAN happen. Now on to further developments........

The Indianapolis Colts have parted with Cato June, when he signed with another team. That LB position is for a smallish LB, which is the same size as Archuletta, and Dungy had June playing closer to the line. He is far better in a Cover 2, which is Dungy's style, and he's young enough to give them at least another 5 yrs at the position. Everyone loves a winner, and Archuletta would have a hard time passing that up. In fact he's for a trade, as long as he keeps his dough, but if that attraction is strong enough all sides, Colts, Skins, Archuletta, we can possibly work out a deal for the later mid-round round pick.

June's comparative size and stats.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396004


Archuletta is 6-0 feet also, and weighs 223 lbs, just 4 less than June. Uses the box with same fevor for tackling at the line and like June wouldn't be counted on to work against receivers.


Man, I sure hope you are right about Indy being interested in AA. Forget the draft pick, the Skins would gladly settle for the Colts agreeing to give AA a bonus close to the 5 million Washington still owes him to allow him to forgo that same amount with the Skins.

But, my head tells me that Shally is right. The Skins aren't going to net anything out of the AA situation. They would either have to eat the 9 million cap space for releasing him now, or keep him as a special teams player for at least another year.

[shally]

Man, I sure hope you are right about Indy being interested in AA. Forget the draft pick, the Skins would gladly settle for the Colts agreeing to give AA a bonus close to the 5 million Washington still owes him to allow him to forgo that same amount with the Skins.

But, my head tells me that Shally is right. The Skins aren't going to net anything out of the AA situation. They would either have to eat the 9 million cap space for releasing him now, or keep him as a special teams player for at least another year.

the fact that they are pushing back his bonus tells me that they think they can get something back.. but whether that is enough to justify moving him remains to be seen.

no matter what, the skins are not going to come out of this whole deal looking real smart in retrospect

[bgforever]

Man, I sure hope you are right about Indy being interested in AA. Forget the draft pick, the Skins would gladly settle for the Colts agreeing to give AA a bonus close to the 5 million Washington still owes him to allow him to forgo that same amount with the Skins.

But, my head tells me that Shally is right. The Skins aren't going to net anything out of the AA situation. They would either have to eat the 9 million cap space for releasing him now, or keep him as a special teams player for at least another year.

If that is the scenario, I'd at least have him tackling on teams, to get something instead of nothing. I have a hard time kissing $100 goodbye, but $9mil, aw h no, I'm pimping somebody!

[shally]

If that is the scenario, I'd at least have him tackling on teams, to get something instead of nothing. I have a hard time kissing $100 goodbye, but $9mil, aw h no, I'm pimping somebody!

well.. look what happened when we had him blocking for the punter...
:banghead:

[NCskinsfanatic]

3 more days untill his fate is determined...we'll be right back after a 72 hour commercial break...:lol1:

[BluCollarGuy]

I am not saying that AA will be a cancer in the locker room because he will behave badly. He will be a cancer simply because he is making way too much money compared to players on the team who are better and playing ahead of him. It's just human nature. Wouldn't you resent some bozo in your office who makes a lot more than you because he is a boss's favorite?
I understand what you are saying, but, if the coaches refuse to play a guy just because of his salary, when he is clearly NOT the best player to put on the field, I don't think other players give a crap. It's when players get "free rides" with the big contract that players would resent it. Everyone knows the Skins screwed up with AA, including the other players on the team. But he is also pretty well liked by his teammates, according to most of what I have read and heard.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Why was it inexcusable not to play AA in the last half of the season? Did you watch him in the first half?

Why wouldn't you want your best players on the field? A sure way for the coaches to "lose" a team is play players in accordance with what they are being paid, not who are the best players.

I see what you're saying but to totally take him off the field on defense is inexcusable. Listen closely to what I am saying. Sure Fox deserved to play because he was better in coverage but the whole BS w/the not getting Arch in any "packages" doesn't make sense at all. Especially when Fox was tackling like Holdman back there. As bad as Arch was in coverage, Fox was nearly as bad against the run. I admit we made a mistake in signing him if we know how to use him. We signed him to this big contract so our coaches need to find a way to make it work.

[LATrueRedskin]

I see what you're saying but to totally take him off the field on defense is inexcusable. Listen closely to what I am saying. Sure Fox deserved to play because he was better in coverage but the whole BS w/the not getting Arch in any "packages" doesn't make sense at all. Especially when Fox was tackling like Holdman back there. As bad as Arch was in coverage, Fox was nearly as bad against the run. I admit we made a mistake in signing him if we know how to use him. We signed him to this big contract so our coaches need to find a way to make it work.

For me, it's not necessarily the size of the contract that matters (it's the motion of the ocean, BA-ZING!), it's that I think Archuleta can really help our football team. I don't blame Coach Williams for benching him because he didn't fit anywhere when our entire defense collapsed. But that doesn't mean that he won't fit now. Sure, it's a lot of money to pay a guy to play situationally, but we could really benefit by placing him in certain situations that play to his strengths.

[BluCollarGuy]

I see what you're saying but to totally take him off the field on defense is inexcusable. Listen closely to what I am saying. Sure Fox deserved to play because he was better in coverage but the whole BS w/the not getting Arch in any "packages" doesn't make sense at all. Especially when Fox was tackling like Holdman back there. As bad as Arch was in coverage, Fox was nearly as bad against the run. I admit we made a mistake in signing him if we know how to use him. We signed him to this big contract so our coaches need to find a way to make it work.
I agree to a point: GW should be good enough a coach to be able to adjust his defense to get the best ouit of ALL of his players, not just the ones who fit HIS system. It was quite apparent last year that while he may be a good coach, he is NOT a GREAT coach, and I hope that Gibbs had a talk with him about his methods. Maybe he was just hard headed last year, or it really was his ego, the way it was written and talked about. We will never know, but THEY do.

I hear radio and tv people priasing teams like NE, Phili, and Pitt, over the willingness to NOT play the high priced guy if he's not the best player, why hasn't anybody praised the SKins for doing it last year? Perhaps GW tried to make it work, that's why it took half way thru the season to bench him. Only time will tell I guess.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Given the choices between trading him for virtually nothing and eating a $6.5M cap hit, releasing him and absorbing a $9M cap hit or keeping him at his current cap hit of $2.5M, put me down for keeping him and figuring out a way to use him.

[redskinz#1fan]

Given the choices between trading him for virtually nothing and eating a $6.5M cap hit, releasing him and absorbing a $9M cap hit or keeping him at his current cap hit of $2.5M, put me down for keeping him and figuring out a way to use him.


Pretty much my thoughts exactly! With all the money that we pay our coaching staff, somebody had got to be able to come up with an idea to maximize this guys talent! If they can't, then someone should be doing the same thing that I'm doing...looking for a new J.O.B! He was a decent player before he got here. No way he fell off completely! They just need to put him in position to make plays. I think that he would be a perfect fit for a hybrid LB like Gibbs was referring to. We all know that he can't stop the run, so make him a situational player. If he excels at that, then we can work in some more responsibility for him. No way do we piss that much money away after just one year.

Now if he hasn't improved after this upcoming season has passed, then cut his :moon1: loose!

[Poindexter]

I agree with keeping Arch, Greg Williams is getting paid some big bucks also and he needs to do his job by being creative to find a spot for Arch. If Williams cannot find a spot for a tackling machine like Arch then Williams needs to be on the cutting block also.

[greatest2]

I agree with keeping Arch, Greg Williams is getting paid some big bucks also and he needs to do his job by being creative to find a spot for Arch. If Williams cannot find a spot for a tackling machine like Arch then Williams needs to be on the cutting block also.


not every player can fit in every system, and coachs can't change there entire system for one player. While i understand that GW should try to find a way to use AA, i also understand he can't change everything cause that will set the whole defense back.

I think GW shouldn't asked gibbs for a player like AA if he couldn't have used him, but that is in the past, and hopefully GW has learned his mistake and will do more research next time.

Moving forward, what can we really do with him, we get no trade value, cap hit is to big to cut, might as well keep him. Maybe in 3-4 looks he gets in at LB if Marshall/Rocky doesn't. Maybe a 4th corner he will be. But we might as well keep him as it is the lesser of all the evils

[RedskinRyan]

well if he's gone, and we trade down to picks 8-14, then theres a very good chance we draft landry with our 1st pick. imagining him and taylor roaming the field together is SCARY.

imagine how badly we're going to get run on. our dline is getting old fast. corny is getting up there in years. safeties can be found late in the draft. i would prefer our focus in the 1st round to be on the line.

[shally]

imagine how badly we're going to get run on. our dline is getting old fast. corny is getting up there in years. safeties can be found late in the draft. i would prefer our focus in the 1st round to be on the line.

not just the first round.. i hope we take another pick the second day..
and i would not be opposed to taking a long look at ian scott if he is still around later

[LATrueRedskin]

imagine how badly we're going to get run on. our dline is getting old fast. corny is getting up there in years. safeties can be found late in the draft. i would prefer our focus in the 1st round to be on the line.

It better be. Like you said, we're extremely old and injury-prone on the DLine, and we're only getting older. We have to draft DLine with our first pick, whereever it may be.

[skinsfan36]

if we dont keep arch we dont need to draft a safety. but i think we will keep arch we need a dt,de,og in this draft we have 4 safetys even if arch is axed.

[greatest2]

It better be. Like you said, we're extremely old and injury-prone on the DLine, and we're only getting older. We have to draft DLine with our first pick, whereever it may be.


i don't know about that. i completly agree we are old and getting older there but if we have pick 28-32, im taking Ben Grubbs. can step into the Offensive guard role and has played LG his last 3 years.

But we do need DLINE, that being said maybe we can swing a late first and early 2nd and draft a dline and Grubbs, but we do need line, but its hard to pass over a career starter at LG for us

[BIGSEF3]

It better be. Like you said, we're extremely old and injury-prone on the DLine, and we're only getting older. We have to draft DLine with our first pick, whereever it may be.

it depends on where our 1st pick is, what dlinemen are available, what other players are available, and where our 2nd pick is. if we could pick up the same dlineman or one close to his skill level with our 2nd pick, then we would be fools not to take another player with our 1st.

i have full trust this year we will make very smart draft decisions.

[LATrueRedskin]

it depends on where our 1st pick is, what dlinemen are available, what other players are available, and where our 2nd pick is. if we could pick up the same dlineman or one close to his skill level with our 2nd pick, then we would be fools not to take another player with our 1st.

i have full trust this year we will make very smart draft decisions.

I can understand that, but we'll be in deep trouble defensively again this season if we don't draft the best possible DLineman with the first pick we have. We've almost forced ourselves to do this, and we've made every move in the offseason to show that we will do this. We need to follow through.

[redskinz#1fan]

While i understand that GW should try to find a way to use AA, i also understand he can't change everything cause that will set the whole defense back.

Hell they can't go any further back, then last in the league....or did the NFL just add a few more expansion teams.:rolleyes: Seriously this defense was just plan bad last year...you can say injuries or whatever, but they just didn't get it done! So there's not too much that could set this "D" any further back!



Maybe a 4th corner he will be.

God lets hope not! Arch needs to be used in run support, and that's it! He can't cover his :moon1: with a towel when getting out of the shower, so please don't expect him to be able to cover an actual NFL player! That's just not his strong point. I have faith that GW or someone will find a way to utilize Arch's skills...whatever they may be??

[GibbsFan]

The best thing to do with Arch is to build a package that suits him and use it. That might be a nickel or dime where he blitz 60% of the time or it might be a 2-4-5 where he steps up to LB.

Arch was acquired IMO to play a role like Matt Bowen did in the 04 Tampa season opener. 9 tackles and 2 sacks if I'm correct but thats what Arch was signed for, so go back to that plan.

[Brokenstriker]

Good coaches have a good system

Great coaches find the system that gets the most out of their players

[GWBlitzST]

I think he can be really good for us if we can generate a pass rush with our front 4 and front 7. Getting Fletcher and, in turn, upgrading our linebacker depth helps, and drafting a good DLineman will help, too. Getting rid of Archuleta and (probably) not having Prioleau ready just creates another spot for us to fill, and drafting a guy like Landry still doesn't solve our overall problem on defense.There isn't a player in the draft that can solve our overall problem on defense, which is poor tackling and missed assignments in the secondary. But Landry woiuld surely improve those two faults. I want him more every day. Carter came on really strong last year, and if Griff gets healthy, our line isn't even that bad if we have a functional MLB who doesn't get plowed out of running plays a la Marshall.

[BtwnDaTackles]

We should keep him. Great depth at the position and second year in the system. He'll turn around, i got faith in him. The thing about Adam is you dont wanna let a guy with his work ethic go. A guy like adam is chomping at the bit to redeem him lack luster season believe me we'll see a new adam this season....

[BluCollarGuy]

We should keep him. Great depth at the position and second year in the system. He'll turn around, i got faith in him. The thing about Adam is you dont wanna let a guy with his work ethic go. A guy like adam is chomping at the bit to redeem him lack luster season believe me we'll see a new adam this season....
It's as simple as this, if the Skins are offered a way out(getting AA off the roster) that won't kill the cap and might even get some value(draft pic), he's gone. If that doesn't happen, they cannot afford to cut him. Maybe after June 1st, once all the rookies are signed and the team is basically set, they could decide to cut him then, but I doubt it.AA is a good player, everyone needs to remember that. Not being able to do what GW was asking doesn't make him NO GOOD. The Skins made a BIG mistake and are now paying the price. But I think it'll be OK no matter what we do with him. The ONLY thing I am concerned about is the draft, can we trade down and make some serious imporvements on this team? If not, who are they going to take with the 6? These are the bigger questions. I am going grey trying to PREDICT it so I can get some sleep instead of checking this board every couple of hours looking for new rumors!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Just two more days ...who's with me :lol1:

[BluCollarGuy]

New word is that the Skins and AA are going re-work his contract to make it more generally cap friendly, and then he'll be traded to Chicago. This was from Adam Schefter on NFL Network. Doing some searching around, this is NOT based on any new developements. But Adam Schefter seems to think it's more "for real" nowl.

[BluCollarGuy]

Just two more days ...who's with me :lol1:
I'm here, and MAN it sucks!

[BluCollarGuy]

Check this out:
Status of Archuleta from the Windy City Gridiron (http://www.windycitygridiron.com/story/2007/3/9/11532/57374)
It has a breakdown of AA's contract that I had not seen before. This isn't new, I just hadn't seen it before.

[smoak]

Deleted Random Image of Roberto Benigni

I just saw Begnini in a movie called, Johnny Stecchino... But it didn't keep my attention.

BUT

It is on topic b/c I turned the channel to NFL Channel so I could listen while I was making Shepherds Pie. During the NFL broadcast, they gave the indication that Arch might be traded. I'd love to get something for nothing...

Now if only I could watch a Benigni movie tonight.

[BluCollarGuy]

I just saw Begnini in a movie called, Johnny Stecchino... But it didn't keep my attention.

BUT

It is on topic b/c I turned the channel to NFL Channel so I could listen while I was making Shepherds Pie. During the NFL broadcast, they gave the indication that Arch might be traded. I'd love to get something for nothing...

Now if only I could watch a Benigni movie tonight.
There is also some hightened interest over HogsHaven (http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2007/3/19/94636/2522).
They have some deduced reasoning with his contract, noone really seems to know for sure just how that contract was structured. I have been searching for details on it for 2 weeks and can't find anything that actually makes me confident in the accuracy of it. But I am thinking the SKins are working on SOMETHING with him. My hopes are getting higher.

[Skin Patrol]

having spoken with more sources, I'd prefer you not check out the link though as it is outdated, confusing, and uninformative. I've got some additional info up on the front page at Hogs Haven.

1. We excercise the contract which will add 1M per year on ARchuleta's cap hit over the next 5 years. His '07 cap hit would be 2.4M if we did that.

2. We do not excercise the contract; the 5M accelerates to '07 and he will cost us 6.4M this year in cap space.

3. We cut him; we'll lose nearly 9M in dead cap space.