Seriously, should Billy Packer be in trouble for this?

[CarMike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aefXpjJ6AE

It doesn't mean what it sounds like. Yet, the PC police are out in full force trying to get him fired from CBS. I hate the man with a passion. And i'd like nothing more than to see him fired. But not for this. He did absolutely nothing wrong.

thoughts?

[dj_stouty]

Karma is a *CBS*. He deserves everything coming to him...

[CarMike]

Even for saying something that has been taken out of context? I, like you, don't like the man. But I'd hate to see anyone fired for something they didn't do or say.

[dj_stouty]

Even for saying something that has been taken out of context? I, like you, don't like the man. But I'd hate to see anyone fired for something they didn't do or say.

Im certainly not the PC police, but I don't see how that was taken out of context. Did the word "Fag" mean something different to him?

[smoak]

If he worked for me, I'd fire him for that... Unles "fag out" has some other meaning that is widely known??? I think he meant it as "wuss out" out and some gay person should beat the ever living snot out of him for it. Maybe they could show him a new a new definition for the term.

EDIT -- I hate the overly PC nature of our country, but Packer was representing CBS when he made that statement. This isn't a case where Carlos Mencia said it on stage during a routine.

[CarMike]

Im certainly not the PC police, but I don't see how that was taken out of context. Did the word "Fag" mean something different to him?

here ya go dj....

verb (used with object)

1. to tire or weary by labor; exhaust (often fol. by out): The long climb fagged us out.
2. British. to require (a younger public-school pupil) to do menial chores.
3. Nautical. to fray or unlay the end of (a rope).

–verb (used without object)

4. Chiefly British. to work until wearied; work hard: to fag away at French.
5. British Informal. to do menial chores for an older public-school pupil.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fagged

[CNYSkinFan]

here ya go dj....
you know i have heard people use that definition, and unless Packer recently emmigrated from Britain this is pure BS. The connotation of "Fag out" in the US is something I am sure Packer is very famiuliar with it and that is the connotation he used. He didn't mean to infer that the interviewer would tire out...he meant to infer he would wussy out or chicken out. There is a big difference there and Packer and his defenders are being intelectually dishonest in their defense of his statement.

[CarMike]

Oh I see. He used a word that means to tire out in a sentense, and it made perfect sense with what he was saying, BUT, since he's not british, he said it as a slang? I got it. My bad.

How do you know how meant it? So you can read minds now to? Amazing.

[CNYSkinFan]

Oh I see. He used a word that means to tire out in a sentense, and it made perfect sense with what he was saying, BUT, since he's not british, he said it as a slang? I got it. My bad.

How do you know how meant it? So you can read minds now to? Amazing.
Exactly...and no ntire out makes no sense in the context of his sentence. None whatsoever. He was not saying the interviewer would tire out before completing the bet he was saying he would wussy out and not do the bet at all.

Cmon Carmike, this is as bad as the people who defended the person who used "niggardly" in a speach a few years back.

[CarMike]

Guess what Dustin. I was one of those people who defended the congressman from where, Connecticut or Mass...:D

So we're going to agree to disagree on this one Dustin.

People should not be prosecuted for having a larger dictionary than others. If they used the word in proper context, then I don't see why they should be criminated.

[CarMike]

EDIT -- I hate the overly PC nature of our country, but Packer was representing CBS when he made that statement. This isn't a case where Carlos Mencia said it on stage during a routine.
smoak, this taken from a PBS channel. So he wasn't really representing CBS. But the PC police are out for his job...

[CNYSkinFan]

Guess what Dustin. I was one of those people who defended the congressman from where, Connecticut or Mass...:D

So we're going to agree to disagree on this one Dustin.

People should not be prosecuted for having a larger dictionary than others. If they used the word in proper context, then I don't see why they should be criminated.
LOL well there you have it.

Anyways if they had such a large vocabularly they could find terms with less vulgar common connotations then the ones they chose.

[smoak]

Guess what Dustin. I was one of those people who defended the congressman from where, Connecticut or Mass...:D

So we're going to agree to disagree on this one Dustin.

People should not be prosecuted for having a larger dictionary than others. If they used the word in proper context, then I don't see why they should be criminated.

I agree. I knew the other noun definitions but not the verb ones so I officially change my POV. However, it would be interesting to see if a jerk like Packer was doing it on purpose to bring attention to himself.

[smoak]

smoak, this taken from a PBS channel. So he wasn't really representing CBS. But the PC police are out for his job...

Doesn't he always represent CBS though? Either way, if the word has a different (legit) meaning then I am with you.

[redskin_rich]

I hate how sensitive everyone is. If he had said "wuss out" would that be offensive to wimps everywhere?

[CarMike]

I honestly to god can't believe i'm defending billy packer....:D

Listening to the video, I don't think he meant any harm one way or the other. And from what i've read, he's leans towards the liberal side. Not saying the libs can't ge inpolitically correct, they tend to be aware of what they're saying. I honestly think this is nothing but being blown out of proportion.

[CNYSkinFan]

I hate how sensitive everyone is. If he had said "wuss out" would that be offensive to wimps everywhere?
No..because "wuss" is not a common term used against a segment of the population. "Fag" is...

But of course the only reason Packer used the term is because he is up late at night looking up British connotations of English slang so he can "expand his vocab" :rolleyes:

By the way the next time a KKK person threatens to burn a fag he can say he was thinking about smoking a cigarette too......who knows maybe he is British and from the 50s too.

[CarMike]

Maybe so.

[CarMike]

Dustin, why aren't you or the media upset about Kemmel's joke at the end? He says that Billy Packers middle name is "fudge". You know, "fudge packer", a derogatory slang for gay males?

That's way worse than what Packer said.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I hate how sensitive everyone is. If he had said "wuss out" would that be offensive to wimps everywhere?
I agree, but, to be fair, I'm used to seeing/hearing much worse on tv.

[CNYSkinFan]

Dustin, why aren't you or the media upset about Kemmel's joke at the end? He says that Billy Packers middle name is "fudge". You know, "fudge packer", a derogatory slang for gay males?

That's way worse than what Packer said.
Which just goes to my point that Packer was not using some litttle know British slang. It was an inside gay joke on National TV.

I am not even advocating that Packer be fired or suspended, but lets not pretend that Packer all of a sudden got intellectual. He made a Gay joke on national TV. That is what he did, for all you who hat e the PC police you have to admit that this is what he did, and you find that acceptable. Otherwise you are kidding yourselves.

I personally think he should be reprimanded, not fired, and admit what he did was wrong and not give some crapola excuse.

[CarMike]

Huh? How does what Kimmel say prove anything about Packer? Two different situations. :whoknows:

Packer did absolutely nothing wrong....sorry. And he wasn't on National TV. It was on a PBS channel.

[CNYSkinFan]

Huh? How does what Kimmel say prove anything about Packer? Two different situations. :whoknows:

Packer did absolutely nothing wrong....sorry. And he wasn't on National TV. It was on a PBS channel.
PBS is national TV. Charlie rose airs all over the country doesn't he?

[CarMike]

fine, you can have that. But how does what Kimmel said have anything to do with what Packer said?

[CNYSkinFan]

fine, you can have that. But how does what Kimmel said have anything to do with what Packer said?
Sorry I jumbled up Rose and Kimmel. Kimmel has nothing to do with Packer, but Kimmel is a comedian and blue humor is part of what his audience tunes in for.

Again I am not saying Packer should be fired. But lets drop the crazy pretense that somehow he became a 1950's British commoner for the interview. He made a gay joke, period.

Is it the end of the world...no it happens all the time. However the fact that he is unwilling to even admit that he made the joke and is tryoing legalese to get out of it shows me he does not want to accept responsibility for this. He could simply apologize and make a donation and it would be over with.

[CarMike]

Well, Dustin. As I said earlier. I knew we were never going to agree. :)

We'll agree to disagree. How's that? lol

[MONK_in_HOF]

I can't stand Packer as a person. This isn't the first time he has stuck his foot in his mouth. I think this story has actually been somewhat minimized by the fact that so many already think he is a jerk.

That being said, as much it pains me to say it, I do think he is one of the best NCAAB commentators out there today. Even though I want to :banghead: every time he says Donovan (Dun-uh-vun).

Not sure what his punishment should be, but I don't think it should be much. Honestly I don't think there was any venom in the way he phrased his words. However the words did seem to roll off his tongue like any that would be commonly used in his vocab. Not that intelligent for a public figure to choose those words, especially in the ultra PC sensitive world of today.

[redskin_rich]

No..because "wuss" is not a common term used against a segment of the population. "Fag" is...


Wait 'til you hear what I call you if I have to present that hat to you at the tailgate party. ;)

[WarEagle]

I don't care what Packer said. He's too old to be announcing games anyway, so maybe CBS can use this as an excuse to fire him. Free-up his space for a younger person. Old fart.

[Santheb]

I'm not gay, but it doesn't bother me any. I honestly don't think he meant anything by it except that the PBS guy never takes him up on the whole runner thing.

[dj_stouty]

This discussion is so queer. ;)


1.strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice.
2.of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.
3.not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.
4.mentally unbalanced or deranged.