Redskins Sign CB David Macklin

[LATrueRedskin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827391

[S.Taylor36]

Redskins signed cornerback David Macklin to a one-year, $760,000 contract. The deal includes a $40,000 signing bonus.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25517

[Skins Guy]

depth!!!

[shally]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827391


interesting take.. we are getting quality depth now.. this should not impact springs, but if he is less than 100% it could make a big difference

more and more i hope this leads to d linemen being picked in the draft.. more than 1, i hope

[MikeBass]

I think that we are doing a very good job with depth at that position this off season.

[frankez99]

Solid....very solid.....now these are the types of signings I was hoping for.

Welcome to Washington Mr. Macklin.

My favorite part of the article: "The Chiefs, Eagles :) and Saints had better financial offers on the table, but Macklin agreed to fit within the Redskins' cap restraints and accept a deal for the NFL minimum, along with a $40,000 signing bonus. The Chiefs were offering him two years of security."

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Is he any good? I have absolutely no idea..right now he would be #4 on our depth chart I guess.

[LATrueRedskin]

I like the move. It's only 1 year, and it may give Macklin a chance to play for (hopefully) a better defense than he did in Arizona.

[SimplyZ]

his best year was only 2 years ago...He won't be repeating any of that, but atleast hes not TOO washed up

[shally]

I like the move. It's only 1 year, and it may give Macklin a chance to play for (hopefully) a better defense than he did in Arizona.

and if he looks good, i would not doubt that they sign him longer term next year...

[bergiemoore]

Cool. This guy went to high school right down the street from me....

What does this say about Rogers' need to bring his 'A' game?

[shally]

his best year was only 2 years ago...He won't be repeating any of that, but atleast hes not TOO washed up

he is still better than wright.. maybe he has a harris type rebound year ??

[shally]

Cool. This guy went to high school right down the street from me....

What does this say about Rogers' need to bring his 'A' game?

i think this more about smoot and jimoh and eubanks.. the 3,4,5 corner spots are going to be ferociously contested because PP and taylor can play corner style positions in some defenses.

and it is about springs health.. we are loading up on former starters at corner

[hail2skins]

We should nickname our corners "The Midget Crew"

[shally]

We should nickname our corners "The Midget Crew"

better that than the old pearl harbor crew... that was a scary group to watch.. either turnover or long bomb-- little in between

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We should nickname our corners "The Midget Crew"
Just think of when they cover our receivers in practice...midgets on midgets...

[flave1969]

We should nickname our corners "The Midget Crew"

I saw that, the article said he was 5 feet tall

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i like this signing. he has experience and he comes cheap.

[The Skinsinator]

Wow. Signing with us over 3 better offers. That's almost unheard of these days. Great job Gibbs. The secondary has really been improved this offseason.

[hail2skins]

Just think of when they cover our receivers in practice...midgets on midgets...hailRedskins.com is happy to announce the availability of its "Midgets Gone Wild" DVD.

[shally]

Wow. Signing with us over 3 better offers. That's almost unheard of these days. Great job Gibbs. The secondary has really been improved this offseason.


on paper it sure looks that way.. still, i remember when we thought that wright would be an upgrade over walt harris.. we need the corners to play well for GW's defense to hum along

[hail2skins]

I saw that, the article said he was 5 feet tallYeah, that caught my eye.

[shally]

Yeah, that caught my eye.

mugsey bogues in shoulder pads

[wewantdallas]

mugsey bogues in shoulder pads

I can see him now, if he ever gets some playing time:

[Read in Herve Villachez's voice]

"Look, Sean, the ball, the ball!"

[SpicyMcHaggis]

hailRedskins.com is happy to announce the availability of its "Midgets Gone Wild" DVD.
That sound alot like the title of a porno dvd..lol...

[shally]

I can see him now, if he ever gets some playing time:

[Read in Herve Villachez's voice]

"Look, Sean, the ball, the ball!"

followed by a yellow flag for..kneecapping

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

That sound alot like the title of a porno dvd..lol...
Lol... around here we say: "the one who thinks about bread, has hunger" :)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Lol... around here we say: "the one who thinks about bread, has hunger" :)
Lol..yeah..well, around here we say "No" to midget porn...;)

[redskin_rich]

Looks like he had his best seasons in '04 and '05 with 33 PD's and 6 INT's. Was that because he was CB with the target on his back?

Hopefully, he has something to show.

[Battle Cat]

Does this mean Shawn Springs is going to see some time at safety?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well, he at least is not injury prone..he's missed only 2 games in his whole career..I hoping that between him and Smoot, one will return to form and give us a good 3rd corner...

[BIGSEF3]

I really am wondering why he chose to sign with us though. He could get cut after the season and get NOTHING. The team he is coming from was better than us last year. The other teams making offers to him for better than us last year. Why take less money to play with a crappier team? snyder must be paying him under the table or something.

[shally]

Well, he at least is not injury prone..he's missed only 2 games in his whole career..I hoping that between him and Smoot, one will return to form and give us a good 3rd corner...


i think that is the plan.. plus, it will light a fire under jimoh as well

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i think that is the plan.. plus, it will light a fire under jimoh as well
Or, if some people here had it their way, he would light Jimoh on fire..lol...

[redskin_rich]

I really am wondering why he chose to sign with us though. He could get cut after the season and get NOTHING. The team he is coming from was better than us last year. The other teams making offers to him for better than us last year. Why take less money to play with a crappier team? snyder must be paying him under the table or something.
He probably saw a better opportunity to start here, with Springs, Rogers and Smoot all having missed games to injury over the last two years.

[BIGSEF3]

He probably saw a better opportunity to start here, with Springs, Rogers and Smoot all having missed games to injury over the last two years.

hmmm, good point. if he gets extensive playing time and performs well, he'll get more than the vet minimum from SOMEONE next year. I'm sure the other teams werent offering more than the vet minimum, so if he plays well, he would definately get more money long-term. As long as Jimoh is our 5th CB, I'm happy.

[hail2skins]

I really am wondering why he chose to sign with us though. He could get cut after the season and get NOTHING. The team he is coming from was better than us last year. The other teams making offers to him for better than us last year. Why take less money to play with a crappier team? snyder must be paying him under the table or something.Do you say anything good about the Skins?

[skins111111]

so now if we have an injury at CB we still have 3 quality backs.....I like it:)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Redskins signed cornerback David Macklin to a one-year, $760,000 contract. The deal includes a $40,000 signing bonus.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=25517
This is what I'm talking about...nice pick up! I feel really good about our CB situation now, even when Springs gets injured again...:rolleyes:

[James F. Quinn]

plus, it will light a fire under jimoh as well

Please! Try to refrain from using anything similar to fire/flame/BURN when speaking of Mr. Jimoh.:rolleyes:

[Sil]

Menchville High School, Newport News, Virginia. Macklin was probably willing to take a smaller contract to play for a team he grew up rooting for. May not make sense in a mercenary world, but if I had the skills, I would do it. I can throw a rock from where I am sitting and hit his HS. Back to lurk mode.

[James F. Quinn]

I can throw a rock from where I am sitting and hit his HS. Back to lurk mode.

Is this Uncle Ricoh tawkin'?

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

appears to be a good signing. I hope he fares better than Wright. Seems we have good depth now at CB but I wouldn't mind spending a 2nd day draft pick on a project CB like Kenny Scott for GTech.

[Sil]

Is this Uncle Ricoh tawkin'?

If coach had only put me in the game!

[GolfFreak]

Back to lurk mode.

:lol1: I'll say, 22 post in 3.5 years! Wow, that's showing some restraint. :)

[Return of 202/301]

Great Signing. Now lets see what we can do with DL depth.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

This is so sweet, I feel good about our corners. Now all this talk of Samuels can go away. I knew it was just talk anyways. Good move FO.

[LASkin]

I saw that, the article said he was 5 feet tall
According to NFL.com, he's 5'10, 206 lbs - not bad for a CB, and much better than 5'0.

He missed 2 games at the end of the year with a hamstring problem - only games he's missed in several years.

According to SportsNet, he's powerfully built but only 5'9. Has a "tackler's mentality." Also, "good instincts and gets good position on his receiver. Keeps plays in front of him." However, he gambles and gets a lot of PI penalties.

Sounds like a good backup who has skills that GW can use.

[WRSK1NS]

A good signing and a good job by the front office. How often does anyone say that?!

[MikeBass]

I saw that, the article said he was 5 feet tall

5 FEET TALL!!! We may have to substitute his cleats with stilts

[ChiefPowhatan17]

206 lb corner is so solid. Who knows, GW might have plans for him in the middle. But, now I feel good about our 4 corners. Smoot, Springs, Rogers, and Macklin. Not bad, much better than Kenny Wright. He was such a bust out of Jacksonville. At least I have heard of Macklin and seen him play many times before.

[firehawk157]

I actually really like this signing. Arizona's #2 corner playing dimeback for us. At that position, he can be opportunistic because he can most likely run circles around his competition. If we are going with a 3 man line, and one LB; here's our secondary.
FS - Taylor, SS-???? (Stoutmire, Fox, Doughty), CB1 - Springs, CB2 - Rogers/Smoot, CB3 - Rogers/Smoot, CB4 - Macklin, CB5 - Prioleau
I like it!

[The Skinsinator]

Getting Smoot and now Macklin totally proves how much our coaching staff is valuing the corner position and how they realize how badly it needed upgraded. Now please focus your attention to the dline and our defense may just be restored.

[The Iceman]

I love this pickup. Hopefully we drop two first day picks on the D-Line after trading down and get younger and better up front. Macklin signing gives us excellent depth, and we can play the style of D that we played when we had healthy DB's in 04, and 05.

[LASkin]

More on Macklin from AZCardinal.com, the equivalent of this board for the Cards: "David Macklin provided the experience that (Eric) Green lacked and was terrific in zone coverage, lacked the extra step that Green possessed and could be beaten deep."

[MikeBass]

More on Macklin from AZCardinal.com, the equivalent of this board for the Cards: "David Macklin provided the experience that (Eric) Green lacked and was terrific in zone coverage, lacked the extra step that Green possessed and could be beaten deep."

With all the depth that we have now, I think, Macklin will be in several blitz packages and will seldom be subjected to deep coverage.

[LASkin]

Last bit of info on Macklin. Walters Football site listed him as the 9th best CB free agent this year. Nate Clements was #1, Samuel was #2, and Smoot was #5, FYI. His 9th rating puts Macklin higher than BJ Sams of the Ravens (10), Jimoh (11), and Kenny Wright (14). More evidence of a decent pickup, though not one that will turn around the defense.

[BluCollarGuy]

I actually really like this signing. Arizona's #2 corner playing dimeback for us. At that position, he can be opportunistic because he can most likely run circles around his competition. If we are going with a 3 man line, and one LB; here's our secondary.
FS - Taylor, SS-???? (Stoutmire, Fox, Doughty), CB1 - Springs, CB2 - Rogers/Smoot, CB3 - Rogers/Smoot, CB4 - Macklin, CB5 - Prioleau
I like it!
Why wouldn't PP still get time at SS? He was going to be last years starter before he got hurt.

on paper it sure looks that way.. still, i remember when we thought that wright would be an upgrade over walt harris.. we need the corners to play well for GW's defense to hum along
Some may have liked the wright signing, but I didn't. I wasn't posting here but I called into several radio shows asking for someone to convince me that was a smart move, noone could, and I was right about that one. Got lucky I guess!

This is a VERY good move. He's a big time Skins fan and wanted to be Redskin, not just looking for another buck, the type of player we need more of.

Now, they need to keep convincing everyone that we could draft EVERY single player that ANY other team after us in the draft wants and we will be able to trade down and really accomplish some things this year. Once again, I am VERY impressed with this FO this business season.

HAIL SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[guinness4health]

he is a solid well coached player....great signing

[Jayman]

Does this mean Shawn Springs is going to see some time at safety?

Nope, this means bye bye Shawn and Hellooooo Calvin Johnson!!!!!!!!

[akhhorus]

Nope, this means bye bye Shawn and Hellooooo Calvin Johnson!!!!!!!!

Care to explain this? How exactly does this mean we're going after Calvin Johnson?

[BluCollarGuy]

Nope, this means bye bye Shawn and Hellooooo Calvin Johnson!!!!!!!!
No way, aint gonna happen

[BluCollarGuy]

can't any one here say "s m o k e s c r e e n"?

[BluCollarGuy]

No way, aint gonna happen
If you think about it JUST a little:

How can the Skins be interested in moving up, and down, and out of the draft all together?

They are simply making sure that noone REALLY knows what we are going to do so that all the teams picking after us HAVE to consider the idea that we might pic the guy they want, and thereby, possibly create a better trade scenario for us.

This is not that hard, and BTW, it's working very nicely.

[greatest2]

If you think about it JUST a little:

How can the Skins be interested in moving up, and down, and out of the draft all together?

They are simply making sure that noone REALLY knows what we are going to do so that all the teams picking after us HAVE to consider the idea that we might pic the guy they want, and thereby, possibly create a better trade scenario for us.

This is not that hard, and BTW, it's working very nicely.

agree, gibbs was famous for this back in the glory days. Unfortunate about the campbell thing, but because of that gibbs has taken a more outgoin smokescreen approach.

Talkin about movin up, talkin about they will probably stay at 6 in public, it reported they want to trade down. you gotta love it, we might get a even trae for a difference or, dare i say, end p on top of a trade come draft day. As long as the FO sticks to there guns and doesn't wave

[skinfan43]

Maybe Macklin could see some time in the Safety rotation, as well as playing backup CB? A 206lb career CB with a hitter's mentality sounds like a pretty good strong safety possibility, IMO. Perhaps Gibbs/GW discussed with him playing at that position as well.

[BluCollarGuy]

agree, gibbs was famous for this back in the glory days. Unfortunate about the campbell thing, but because of that gibbs has taken a more outgoin smokescreen approach.

Talkin about movin up, talkin about they will probably stay at 6 in public, it reported they want to trade down. you gotta love it, we might get a even trae for a difference or, dare i say, end p on top of a trade come draft day. As long as the FO sticks to there guns and doesn't wave
That's right.

Drafting Campbell was SUPPOSED to be quiet, but something didn't work out right, and Gibbs has made sure to play it up this year, and I'm lovin' it!

And, judging by EVERYTHING they have actually DONE(not rumored to be doing, or talked about doing) this business season, I am more confident than ever that Gibbs has it under control now, and knows EXACTLY what he is doing.

[BluCollarGuy]

Maybe Macklin could see some time in the Safety rotation, as well as playing backup CB? A 206lb career CB with a hitter's mentality sounds like a pretty good strong safety possibility, IMO. Perhaps Gibbs/GW discussed with him playing at that position as well.
Ya know, I had the same thought, 206 is pretty big for CB, small for safety, but big for a cb. Ya never know.

[shally]

Ya know, I had the same thought, 206 is pretty big for CB, small for safety, but big for a cb. Ya never know.

about clark's size, i think.

[BluCollarGuy]

about clark's size, i think.
Yup, 205. And Ryan is listed as an inch taller which means Macklin should have a bit more bulk.

[skinfan43]

about clark's size, i think.
Ryan Clark covered well for us and had a hitter's mentality too...plus Macklin will be playing in front of his hometown fans for the first time in the NFL...hmmmm...:thinker:

[Slobberknocker]

hailRedskins.com is happy to announce the availability of its "Midgets Gone Wild" DVD.

1) Are they opening a restaurant?

2) Who will cover Calvin Johnson in practice?

[Slobberknocker]

Talkin about movin up, talkin about they will probably stay at 6 in public, it reported they want to trade down. you gotta love it, we might get a even trae for a difference or, dare i say, end p on top of a trade come draft day. As long as the FO sticks to there guns and doesn't wave

It's true. I read all Redskins news which this year just means I have no CENSORED BY SPENCE clue. If that was the intention, job very well done, FO!

[Slobberknocker]

Yup, 205. And Ryan is listed as an inch taller which means Macklin should have a bit more bulk.

Now if he can just tell Sean where to line up -- we're set!

[skinfan43]

It's true. I read all Redskins news which this year just means I have no CENSORED BY SPENCE clue. If that was the intention, job very well done, FO!
Nice Avatar, slobber...I loved that movie, Ferrell was fantastic IMO...I still think the Skins trade down (possibly more than once!) in the draft, but who the hell knows, should make for an interesting Day 1.

[bgforever]

Macklin was replaced by David in Indianapolis, after he and Harper together weren't that good (if you recall the secondary as Dungy arrived was smattered constantly in the air). Even after Dungy arrived, they struggled, with mainly Harper, Harris (who was injured twice for lengths and eventually signed with the Skins), a cast of others, who have since left without a contract or cut.

Macklin will be likely fighting for a 5th Spot.

HELLO Shawn :)

"Correction" He should fighting for a 4th spot, behind Smoot.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

We are not going to trade up. No way. There are too many good players that will be available at #6. I just feel like we are solid at corner, but Springs is not going anywhere. He loves being a Skin. We have a good group of 4. Now on to the D-line for the draft.

[bgforever]

We are not going to trade up. No way. There are too many good players that will be available at #6. I just feel like we are solid at corner, but Springs is not going anywhere. He loves being a Skin. We have a good group of 4. Now on to the D-line for the draft.

Thanks, agreed. The savings buildup in funds, is to handle ANYTHING this time around, Shawn staying or Shawn going, draft picks, a keen eye on the wire around June.

Given the tenure of Springs, the talks with Llyod and Shawn by Gibbs and the nature of Gibbs to ALWAYS give his vets a fighting a chance to catch on to another team, money wise or not, it is clear, Springs is staying.

You don't keep taking away dollars for a position you KNOW you would be filling up with another vet, should Springs be leaving, as his contract, is big, as well as Taylor/Cooley's extension possibilities (this may not be such a big deal anyway, as these guys see what's on the horizon and anxious to get back to work). I think Springs will see the bigger picture, and with Rogers, Smoot, Macklin, welcome a newbie next year, not this one, to the starting lineup.

[skinsfaninva]

Care to explain this? How exactly does this mean we're going after Calvin Johnson?

Now that we have Smoot, Rogers, Macklin, and I feel like I am missing someone, but anyway, Springs is "expendable." So here is the deal:

Lions - #6, Skins #2 in 08, and Springs
Redskins - #2, hello Calvin Johnson.

I am not saying that this is smart, but this is what could and might happen.

[skinfan43]

Some other info on Macklin:
Macklin runs a foundation named 27 Reasons (27 is his college and professional number) which aids underprivileged kids in Arizona and Virginia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Macklin
His visit was short and not so productive. He left town without a contract offer from the Chiefs because he’s looking for starting money. Kansas City feels he’s a nickel back at best.
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=625783

He wanted to be in DC more than anywhere else, and money was obviously not the reason. Hopefully playing for his hometown team will bring out his best playing years (he's only 28).

[BluCollarGuy]

Now that we have Smoot, Rogers, Macklin, and I feel like I am missing someone, but anyway, Springs is "expendable." So here is the deal:

Lions - #6, Skins #2 in 08, and Springs
Redskins - #2, hello Calvin Johnson.

I am not saying that this is smart, but this is what could and might happen.
Boy, your putting some serious value on a 32 year old CB for the lions. The Raiders are taking CJ anyway, so it won't matter.

[bgforever]

Looks like he had his best seasons in '04 and '05 with 33 PD's and 6 INT's. Was that because he was CB with the target on his back?

Hopefully, he has something to show.

It was because of the X, but he should play better with this group, compared to the past Indy secondary of the early 2000's and Arizona's. He fits in better at nickel and dime packages, teams.

[PennSkinsFan]

These are the type of signings they should be making and should have been making. Quality depth goes along way, we above all understand that considering what happen to our defense when Springs went down.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

On NFL Network scheffter (I'm not sure of his name) just said that he signed for less here because he always wanted to play for Joe Gibbs, and he is from the DC area.

[Biggie]

On NFL Network just said that he signed for less here because he always wanted to play for Joe Gibbs, and he is from the DC area.

Wait.

WAIT.

You mean we just signed a guy who's actually a fan of this team and... wanted to sign here more than get paid?

I love this move already.

[Slobberknocker]

On NFL Network just said that he signed for less here because he always wanted to play for Joe Gibbs, and he is from the DC area.

I hope he wins a Super Bowl here. Just because.

The funniest interview I ever saw was watching Edgerin James during this year's SB. He said, "I don't mind at all (missing the game.) You'd be surprised how much fun you can have watching it on TV."

Just for once, let a guy be proven right for following his heart and not his wallet.

Mack, you're my new hero. Have a great season and stick around awhile!!!

[akhhorus]

Now that we have Smoot, Rogers, Macklin, and I feel like I am missing someone, but anyway, Springs is "expendable." So here is the deal:

Lions - #6, Skins #2 in 08, and Springs
Redskins - #2, hello Calvin Johnson.

I am not saying that this is smart, but this is what could and might happen.

I wouldn't make that deal if I'm the lions(that basically says on the draft value chart that Springs is worth a top 20 pick, which he really isn't). And we still need defensive help.

[MikeBass]

These are the type of signings they should be making and should have been making. Quality depth goes along way, we above all understand that considering what happen to our defense when Springs went down.

Exactly!!! I think that we learned a valuable lesson last season.

[skins111111]

hey, we're set at CB with 4 quality players and are they ever gonna shine now that we can pressure the QB...(this would be because of Carters growth and picking up Adams in the draft)

[MikeBass]

hey, we're set at CB with 4 quality players and are they ever gonna shine now that we can pressure the QB...(this would be because of Carters growth and picking up Adams in the draft)

I think that Adams will be gone if we stay at #6 and Anderson may be too green to draft that high being that he has only played the position for a couple of seasons

[skinsfan36]

i like this signing this guy is a decent nickel back and to think he will be the 4th cb makes me happy about our depth.glad players can take less money to go to somewhere near where they grow up/live/favorite team as a kid. i thought we should have looked at this guy when free agency started and now we got him and smoot. good secondary depth.

[urobm]

Solid....very solid.....now these are the types of signings I was hoping for.

Welcome to Washington Mr. Macklin.

My favorite part of the article: "The Chiefs, Eagles :) and Saints had better financial offers on the table, but Macklin agreed to fit within the Redskins' cap restraints and accept a deal for the NFL minimum, along with a $40,000 signing bonus. The Chiefs were offering him two years of security."


Agreed, very solid signing. Will this ensure Springs a move to safety?

[BandWagon]

OK, haven't seen this asked yet... If he signed for essentially vet minimum why did Arizona let him go? Me wonders what they didn't like about him.

[redskin_rich]

OK, haven't seen this asked yet... If he signed for essentially vet minimum why did Arizona let him go? Me wonders what they didn't like about him.
I don't know if they made him any offer or not but it looks that they are going with their youth, Rolle and Green.

[bergiemoore]

On NFL Network scheffter (I'm not sure of his name) just said that he signed for less here because he always wanted to play for Joe Gibbs, and he is from the DC area.

Newport News is hardly the DC area (I'm from Newport News, and wouldn't want to lump it in w/ No. Va.) . It's actually closer to Va. Beach, where they're having he Beach Blitz.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Newport News is hardly the DC area (I'm from Newport News, and wouldn't want to lump it in w/ No. Va.) . It's actually closer to Va. Beach, where they're having he Beach Blitz.
Don't know... I just posted what I heard. Actually I know nothing about the geography of the US, just like Russ Grimm :)

[bergiemoore]

I think that Adams will be gone if we stay at #6 and Anderson may be too green to draft that high being that he has only played the position for a couple of seasons

I'm not sure any of the top ranked DLinemen are worth the #6 this year. I would feel more comfortable if we were able to trade down in the 15-10 area and grab someone there, as well as possibly pick up another player at a position of need.

This signing does a great job filling out our depth at CB, so the skins can focus on oline, or linebacker, etc. with the other day 1 pick.

[bergiemoore]

Don't know... I just posted what I heard. Actually I know nothing about the geography of the US, just like Russ Grimm :)

He graduated from Menchville High School, which is right around the corner from my house, and the rival of my high school, Denbigh, which includes among its alums, Mike Tomlin, the new head coach of the Steelers. Macklin graduated a couple of years before some other Newport News/Hampton athletes, such as Michael Vick (Warwick HS), Allen Iverson (who was actually a better QB than Vick in high school) Aaron Brooks(Ferguson HS), Ronald Curry(Hampton HS), Dre Bly, etc. I think they started putting something in the water about 30 years ago...

[BandWagon]

I don't know if they made him any offer or not but it looks that they are going with their youth, Rolle and Green.
Thanks Rich. Just sitting here enjoying the 86 game against the Vikings. Ricky Sanders was just in for a snap wearing #46 :)

[MikeBass]

I'm not sure any of the top ranked DLinemen are worth the #6 this year. I would feel more comfortable if we were able to trade down in the 15-10 area and grab someone there, as well as possibly pick up another player at a position of need.

This signing does a great job filling out our depth at CB, so the skins can focus on oline, or linebacker, etc. with the other day 1 pick.

I have to agree with you here but when you trade down to 10 you have to be more predictable of what the other nine teams are going to do and 15 would be worst. IMO, there may be 2 d-linemen that will impact our team this year and they would be Adams or Okoye.

Fellows believe it or not, we are NOT that far away from where we need to be and should be looking for more of a sudden impact this year. Next year we can work on young talent on the line but this year we should try to finish up what Gibbs started before the injury bug hit us last season.

[joethefan]

This signing does a great job filling out our depth at CB, so the skins can focus on oline, or linebacker, etc. with the other day 1 pick.

I sure hope you meant DLINE or LINEBACKER....

[GibbsFan]

I had been hoping we pick this guy up for weeks now. Cheap veteran depth at corner. Solid move!!!

[Skinz4lyfe]

Honestly I don't know much about him. But if anything it sounds like he's an excellent #4 corner. I'm thinking we might tinker w/him at safety too. GW likes versatile players on his defense.

[Jayman]

Care to explain this? How exactly does this mean we're going after Calvin Johnson?


Draft Day trade with Detriot.

[akhhorus]

Draft Day trade with Detriot.

That still doesn't make any sense. And we still have a major need on the Dline. Why does signing a backup Cb mean we can ignore that for a WR?

[Cowboys Suck]

Regardless of Macklin's height, I hope this means the end of Mr. "Gasoline Drawers" Jimoh. Welcome D-Mac!

[Battle Cat]

Did Springs restructure his contract already?

[cmdlost29]

Like the pickup a lot. Awesome change of pace this offseason, front office and Gibbs are growing before our eyes!

[The Skinsinator]

Regardless of Macklin's height, I hope this means the end of Mr. "Gasoline Drawers" Jimoh. Welcome D-Mac!It should at corner. He's too productive on special teams and I'm glad we have him there.

[dj_stouty]

Good move. Glad to see a Virginian make the roster!

[BandWagon]

Like the pickup a lot. Awesome change of pace this offseason, front office and Gibbs are growing before our eyes!

Yep, that's what it sure seems like! Careful, calculated acquisitions...walked away from the table on Briggs with a "take-it or leave-it" offer...but sometimes things are not what they appear to be. I'm guardedly optimistic.

[JsMaViSd]

love the signing, Macklin is a good depth player. Good heart as we can see already

[helimech24]

love the signing, Macklin is a good depth player. Good heart as we can see alreadyAmen. The FO has done a good job thus far this offseason.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think this will mean more of Springs at Safety. IF all four corners are healthy you may see Macklin come in at nickle and Springs drop back to safety in passing downs (With smoot taking Springs spot at corner).

And as we know we are rarely haelthy so having a 4th corner whose last name did not rhyme with blow is a good thing (though I do think Ade will make the squad as a 5th CB special teamer.)

[smoak]

Good signing, but too bad this ends my hope that we slide back and take Chris Houston. We have quite a collection or retreads and question marks in the secondary... And I still feel we are vastly improved.

[Skins57]

Agreed, very solid signing. Will this ensure Springs a move to safety?

I would not be surprised to see shawn move to safety or completely out of town

[smoak]

Regardless of Macklin's height, I hope this means the end of Mr. "Gasoline Drawers" Jimoh. Welcome D-Mac!

Keep dreaming. If only I had even a fraction of a penny for every time someone has said that Jimoh wasn't making the team. :D

[frankez99]

Regardless of Macklin's height, I hope this means the end of Mr. "Gasoline Drawers" Jimoh. Welcome D-Mac!

Why does everyone want to see Jimoh gone? The guy is one step away from becoming our special teams captain (gotta wait for JT to leave/retire for it to truly happen) and has made huge strides each season solidifying his game.

I think a lot of people are on the hatin' bandwagon for no reason with Jimoh; like it is the "cool" thing to do.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

great pick up for the Skins. my co-worker is actually davids cousin. he's a hampton roads product, very cool humble guy. He's been with colts and cards, now with the Skins.

I've been teeling his cousing all day long, go get some tickets from him so we can catch a game this year.


Oh yeah, don't forget........he used to play with Lavar Arrington back in Penn State. :rolleyes:

[Jayman]

That still doesn't make any sense. And we still have a major need on the Dline. Why does signing a backup Cb mean we can ignore that for a WR?

Because when we signed Macklin we now have 4 starting corners and injury prone Spings with that contract is the odd man out. This guy from Arizona could be a starter concidering he started the last three years there. And with the added rumor that Detroit wants Springs if a trade were to happen I think it could happen.

[Redskinfan28]

Because when we signed Macklin we now have 4 starting corners and injury prone Spings with that contract is the odd man out. This guy from Arizona could be a starter concidering he started the last three years there. And with the added rumor that Detroit wants Springs if a trade were to happen I think it is posiable.

Macklin provides depth but is not a starting-caliber CB. Pretty good nickle CB and I love the contract.

[bergiemoore]

I sure hope you meant DLINE or LINEBACKER....

Actually, what I was thinking is that if we trade down, pick up an impact DLineman with our 1st round pick, we can use our 2nd day 1 pick to fill out the depth at OLine and LB.

DLine is definitely priority 1, in my mind. OLine is also getting up there in years, and while I like a lot of the signings that have gone into it, I'm not sure that those guys will be around for more than 2 years.

[shally]

I think this will mean more of Springs at Safety. IF all four corners are healthy you may see Macklin come in at nickle and Springs drop back to safety in passing downs (With smoot taking Springs spot at corner).

And as we know we are rarely haelthy so having a 4th corner whose last name did not rhyme with blow is a good thing (though I do think Ade will make the squad as a 5th CB special teamer.)

i think it will allow a more gradual transition with springs moving to safety in some packages, but there is no way springs gets replaced as the #1 corner as long as he is healthy this year

[shally]

Why does everyone want to see Jimoh gone? The guy is one step away from becoming our special teams captain (gotta wait for JT to leave/retire for it to truly happen) and has made huge strides each season solidifying his game.

I think a lot of people are on the hatin' bandwagon for no reason with Jimoh; like it is the "cool" thing to do.

jimoh is a high character guy, a hard worker, and he is fine on special teams.. he is also adept at coming up on the run and on short passes.. BUT he is still a major liability on the deep ball.. that makes him a poor bet to play the #3 corner and draw slot receivers

maybe he can elevate his game with another camp and season, but the front office is wise to find a better potential #3 like macklin

[skins67]

With his size (5'10'' and 206lbs) and the fact that he lost out on his starting possition on a terrible Arizona D, any chance we try him at free safty and let Taylor move closer to the line at strong safty. Seeing how Macklin was a corner he should be able to cover TE and running backs as well as an occasional slot reciever if were caught in the wrong defence.

[shally]

With his size (5'10'' and 206lbs) and the fact that he lost out on his starting possition on a terrible Arizona D, any chance we try him at free safty and let Taylor move closer to the line at strong safty. Seeing how Macklin was a corner he should be able to cover TE and running backs as well as an occasional slot reciever if were caught in the wrong defence.

similar to ryan clark in build.. maybe a tad shorter.. draw your own conclusions..

[dukeuch]

David Who? BFD.

[Slobberknocker]

Hey, guys, there's one thing I don't understand about the Macklin signing... It said that he signed cheap to help the Skins with cap. But I thought we were plenty clear on cap and all ready to do the Briggs deal. With the Briggs deal in the crapper, what exactly is all that reserve for? No Bly, no Briggs, so why didn't we have more dough to give Mack? If we didn't, now what's it for? Are we still keeping our cards to play a hand on D-day?

Just wondering. This idea that we don't have cap smells fishy. Must be something goin' on. Gibbs & Co. are sure playing a mean hand of poker.

[Shawnb555]

this looks like a signing the patriots did two years ago...it is an excellent signing

[akhhorus]

Because when we signed Macklin we now have 4 starting corners and injury prone Spings with that contract is the odd man out. This guy from Arizona could be a starter concidering he started the last three years there. And with the added rumor that Detroit wants Springs if a trade were to happen I think it could happen.

That still doesn't make sense. So, we give up Springs, the 6 and other picks for Johnson and we still have major holes on the DL? Signing Macklin doesn't replace Springs, nor does it fix our defensive issues headed into the draft.

[Dolla Bill]

That still doesn't make sense. So, we give up Springs, the 6 and other picks for Johnson and we still have major holes on the DL? Signing Macklin doesn't replace Springs, nor does it fix our defensive issues headed into the draft.


Agreed. I like the Macklin signing though. It should push Rogers and Smoot that much harder. Competition will bring out the best in all three.

[Brokenstriker]

I really am wondering why he chose to sign with us though. He could get cut after the season and get NOTHING. The team he is coming from was better than us last year. The other teams making offers to him for better than us last year. Why take less money to play with a crappier team? snyder must be paying him under the table or something.

I think it says we didn't have enough quality at this position last season. Healthly Springs is choice, sometimes Rogers is very good. Problems abound. Will Springs be healthy, will Springs convert to safety, will Rogers have an A game day or a D game day? If either Springs or Rogers has issues, or if you want nickle or dime packages ... Wright was a best next choice. Jimoh while very good on special teams is a liability in coverage. If you want to play 4 CBs or have some comfort zone for back-ups as situational starters ... then you need to find 2 - 3 CBs better than last season's 3, 4 & 5 at a minimum.

[shally]

Hey, guys, there's one thing I don't understand about the Macklin signing... It said that he signed cheap to help the Skins with cap. But I thought we were plenty clear on cap and all ready to do the Briggs deal. With the Briggs deal in the crapper, what exactly is all that reserve for? No Bly, no Briggs, so why didn't we have more dough to give Mack? If we didn't, now what's it for? Are we still keeping our cards to play a hand on D-day?

Just wondering. This idea that we don't have cap smells fishy. Must be something goin' on. Gibbs & Co. are sure playing a mean hand of poker.

not necessarily.. they offered him what they thought he was worth and he liked the sitaution better here.. or the other offers werent as good as the press might say they were.

or like betts, he signed for less to be somewhere he wanted to be..

[SellerDoor45]

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070406-124136-1222r.htm

You have go to be FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME!!!!

[shally]

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070406-124136-1222r.htm

You have go to be FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME!!!!

bunk.. not gonna happen

[James F. Quinn]

With the Briggs deal in the crapper, what exactly is all that reserve for? Are we still keeping our cards to play a hand on D-day?

Having cap on draft day would make us more flexible. It would also be nice to lock up Cooley to a long term contract, Maybe Taylor, too.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Asante Samuel? Why? I just think that journalists love to make it sound like the Redskins are always going to throw their shirt off their back. We are not going to go after Samuel, we have 4 corners and Jimoh.

[firehawk157]

Having cap on draft day would make us more flexible. It would also be nice to lock up Cooley to a long term contract, Maybe Taylor, too.

Taylor is not happening this year. He's a FA in like 09 or 10. Too early. Cooley though, that CAN (and should) happen...

[Redskinfan28]

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070406-124136-1222r.htm

You have go to be FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME!!!!

I was wondering how long it would take the media to report that the Skins were interested in trading for him.

[dukeuch]

not necessarily.. they offered him what they thought he was worth and he liked the sitaution better here.. or the other offers werent as good as the press might say they were.

or like betts, he signed for less to be somewhere he wanted to be..

Probably figured he had a better chance of starting here.

[James F. Quinn]

Taylor is not happening this year. He's a FA in like 09 or 10. Too early. Cooley though, that CAN (and should) happen...

Just lookin' to be proactive. ST is on record as being unhappy with the contract he signed. That's the kind of thing that can fester, particularly if he starts to play up to his potential. Sign him up long-term now with a generous SB and lots of performance incentives.

[bergiemoore]

Hey, guys, there's one thing I don't understand about the Macklin signing... It said that he signed cheap to help the Skins with cap. But I thought we were plenty clear on cap and all ready to do the Briggs deal. With the Briggs deal in the crapper, what exactly is all that reserve for? No Bly, no Briggs, so why didn't we have more dough to give Mack? If we didn't, now what's it for? Are we still keeping our cards to play a hand on D-day?

Just wondering. This idea that we don't have cap smells fishy. Must be something goin' on. Gibbs & Co. are sure playing a mean hand of poker.

Maybe they've set something aside for Cooley? Please!!!!

[Dept_of_Defense]

Just lookin' to be proactive. ST is on record as being unhappy with the contract he signed. That's the kind of thing that can fester, particularly if he starts to play up to his potential. Sign him up long-term now with a generous SB and lots of performance incentives.
Where is he on record as being unhappy with the contract HE signed?

[James F. Quinn]

Where is he on record as being unhappy with the contract HE signed?
He went though a couple of agents during his rookie year and it was reported locally that he wanted the Redskins to redo what HE wound up with.

No doubt there are others who recall this.

[Jayman]

That still doesn't make sense. So, we give up Springs, the 6 and other picks for Johnson and we still have major holes on the DL? Signing Macklin doesn't replace Springs, nor does it fix our defensive issues headed into the draft.


The Skins D gave up around 23 points per game. Are Off. went three and out more times than just about any other team out there and only scored around 17 points per game. If are Off. can hold onto the ball and not turn the ball over giving them a short field and we score we are looking good. If you look back at the games the Skins played are D was doing well for 3 quarters and then they ran out of gas. I don't care what team you are if your D is on the field the whole game and the Off. turns the ball over to the other team giving them a short field of cource it makes the D look bad. But I do promise if Moss goes down for the count Gaines Adams is not going to win the game, but C. Johnson can. Last year when Moss went down for those 2 games we got killed. We were lucky to win the Jacksonville game but some how Moss came up with the catch in double coverage. Just think about all those double teams Moss would not have to deal with anymore. We would score more helping the D. Like they say - Sometimes your best D is your best Off.

[Dept_of_Defense]

He went though a couple of agents during his rookie year and it was reported locally that he wanted the Redskins to redo what HE wound up with.

No doubt there are others who recall this.
I clearly remember when he was drafted, when he dropped his agent and signed Rosenhaus, and when he signed his contract. After that, I haven't heard anything about it since. After all of his on and off-field legalities, I think he realized that HE is just lucky to be wearing a uniform and playing football for money. I haven't heard anything about him wanting a new contract. No doubt there are others here who can back me up.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

The Skins D gave up around 23 points per game. Are Off. went three and out more times than just about any other team out there and only scored around 17 points per game. If are Off. can hold onto the ball and not turn the ball over giving them a short field and we score we are looking good. If you look back at the games the Skins played are D was doing well for 3 quarters and then they ran out of gas. I don't care what team you are if your D is on the field the whole game and the Off. turns the ball over to the other team giving them a short field of cource it makes the D look bad. But I do promise if Moss goes down for the count Gaines Adams is not going to win the game, but C. Johnson can. Last year when Moss went down for those 2 games we got killed. We were lucky to win the Jacksonville game but some how Moss came up with the catch in double coverage. Just think about all those double teams Moss would not have to deal with anymore. We would score more helping the D. Like they say - Sometimes your best D is your best Off.
Man, I'm so confused... are, our.... ???

[bergiemoore]

He went though a couple of agents during his rookie year and it was reported locally that he wanted the Redskins to redo what HE wound up with.

No doubt there are others who recall this.

He fired his agent after seeing the guys drafted at the 6, and 7 spot get better deals than he did.

He is no doubt unhappy with his deal, but he is the one that signed it. He will need to have a very good year this coming year and perhaps the next, before the Skins FO seriously consider an extension.

[Cowboys Suck]

Why does everyone want to see Jimoh gone? The guy is one step away from becoming our special teams captain (gotta wait for JT to leave/retire for it to truly happen) and has made huge strides each season solidifying his game.

I think a lot of people are on the hatin' bandwagon for no reason with Jimoh; like it is the "cool" thing to do.
Wow, so now one has to be on a bandwagon in order to recognize when a player is totally inept? Jimoh's coverage skills may have improved over the last couple of seasons, but he is still not even a reasonable option as a 4th corner. Don't get me wrong...he's a GOOD special teams player, but I'm stopping there. I'm not on a bandwagon, I'm merely stating the obvious.

[BandWagon]

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070406-124136-1222r.htm

You have go to be FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME!!!!

And how about my boy Ryan's effective and proper use of the language: He began expendable in Arizona when the Cardinals signed Philadelphia's Roderick Hood.

[akhhorus]

The Skins D gave up around 23 points per game. Are Off. went three and out more times than just about any other team out there and only scored around 17 points per game.

19.2 points a game, and the 12th rated offense last year. 31st rated defense and dead last in the NFL(and maybe in NFL history) in Sacks. Me thinks the defense needs more help.

If are Off. can hold onto the ball and not turn the ball over giving them a short field and we score we are looking good.

En anglais, Si vous plait.

If you look back at the games the Skins played are D was doing well for 3 quarters and then they ran out of gas. I don't care what team you are if your D is on the field the whole game and the Off. turns the ball over to the other team giving them a short field of cource it makes the D look bad.

Thats ridiculous. So, we were a top 15 defense for 3 quarters and we totally got destroyed in the 4th? No. And we were 16th in time of possession(29.59 a game) in the NFL in 2006. So I don't think thats the issue with the defense.


But I do promise if Moss goes down for the count Gaines Adams is not going to win the game, but C. Johnson can. Last year when Moss went down for those 2 games we got killed.

Really? What if he can't? Then we're rather screwed, blued and tattooed. As for Santana Moss, we beat Dallas without him in the Taylor FG game and lost to Tampa in the other(Campbell had a qb rating of 95 in that game also). I love Moss, but our passing attack didn't die without him.

We were lucky to win the Jacksonville game but some how Moss came up with the catch in double coverage. Just think about all those double teams Moss would not have to deal with anymore. We would score more helping the D. Like they say - Sometimes your best D is your best Off.

Realistically, Johnson couldn't add two tds a game to the Skins(or anyone). Even Randy Moss didn't add that much to the Vikings. And if our defense was even top 20, you might have a point. We were the 2nd worst defense in the NFL last year. And we've done nothing to help the Dline. Drafting Johnson would be the ultimate moronic move for this team, unless we plan on scoring 35-40 points a game.

[skinsfaninva]

I wouldn't make that deal if I'm the lions(that basically says on the draft value chart that Springs is worth a top 20 pick, which he really isn't). And we still need defensive help.

I would not either but I was just trying to explain how this signing could be misconstrude into a sign that we are trading up to take CJ.

[Slobberknocker]

I would not either but I was just trying to explain how this signing could be misconstrude into a sign that we are trading up to take CJ.

Is grammatical ineptitude now a Papoosian requirement? Aaaaaaaaaaah! Or maybe that's just the way Macklin's posse rolls?

[silverspring]

good depth, good signing

[HanburgerBum]

I really am wondering why he chose to sign with us though. He could get cut after the season and get NOTHING. The team he is coming from was better than us last year. The other teams making offers to him for better than us last year. Why take less money to play with a crappier team? snyder must be paying him under the table or something.


Paying a player under the table? Don't even think about it. If the Skins get caught doing that, they will be penalized with forfeiture of draft choice(s). Washington is already short on those.

As to why Macklin chose to sign here despite better offers elsewhere, I think it is because he visualizes considerable playing time under several scenarios:

1) Springs may leave the team.

2) Skins' corners have had trouble staying healthy.

3) As Skinfan43 suggested, GW may have told Macklin that he will be in the hunt for playing time at safety.

4) He will be the nickle back, or share time there with Smoot.

Macklin appears to be better than people like Rumph and Wright. He should improve the depth at corner and have enough bulk and versatility to play safety as well.

[HanburgerBum]

Now that we have Smoot, Rogers, Macklin, and I feel like I am missing someone, but anyway, Springs is "expendable." So here is the deal:

Lions - #6, Skins #2 in 08, and Springs
Redskins - #2, hello Calvin Johnson.

I am not saying that this is smart, but this is what could and might happen.


NO! NO! NO!

As Akh stated, this is a trade Detroit wouldn't make because it is not getting enough compensation.

And, moving up for Johnson makes no sense for the Skins. If Johnson falls to No. 6, they can certainly consider picking him. But, no trade up.
This constant mortgaging of future picks is just NOT SMART, and the front office needs to put a stop to that practice right now.

[bergiemoore]

Paying a player under the table? Don't even think about it. If the Skins get caught doing that, they will be penalized with forfeiture of draft choice(s). Washington is already short on those.

As to why Macklin chose to sign here despite better offers elsewhere, I think it is because he visualizes considerable playing time under several scenarios:

1) Springs may leave the team.

2) Skins' corners have had trouble staying healthy.

3) As Skinfan43 suggested, GW may have told Macklin that he will be in the hunt for playing time at safety.

4) He will be the nickle back, or share time there with Smoot.

Macklin appears to be better than people like Rumph and Wright. He should improve the depth at corner and have enough bulk and versatility to play safety as well.

Not to mention that he has family in Newport News, which is about a 3 1/2 hour drive from DC. Could be that he'd like to finish out his career near home.

[firehawk157]

Maybe what the Eagles and Chiefs were offering wasn't that much better, and where does he actually live? If he lives in VA, that means he saves money on renting an apartment, gets to live in a nicer house and closer to family and play for a team he loves. Maybe that means more to him then an extra 100k/season.

[bergiemoore]

Maybe what the Eagles and Chiefs were offering wasn't that much better, and where does he actually live? If he lives in VA, that means he saves money on renting an apartment, gets to live in a nicer house and closer to family and play for a team he loves. Maybe that means more to him then an extra 100k/season.

His family is in Va.

[firehawk157]

His family is in Va.
Yeah, I know. But you know how, during the offseason, Santana lives in Miami? Does anyone know where he maintains his actual house? Where does he live in the offseason?

[coffdogg]

Well, he at least is not injury prone..he's missed only 2 games in his whole career..I hoping that between him and Smoot, one will return to form and give us a good 3rd corner...
I am shocked to read quotes about maybe Smoot can be a good 3 or 4.I don't think 2 years in Minny shot his career to hell.As far as I see it Rogers has not exactly grabbed the job and took it as his.Rogers has proven that he can't catch a cold and I believe that Williams is going to make it an open audition.The 1 think that I am afraid of is that this might not be depth with Springs ,it may be depth WITHOUT Springs.Just meaning that this might be the excuse the FO needs to jettison Springs for whatever reason,which I think at this point would not be wise.I would rather have all of them here competing for a starting job than taking a cap hit on Springs and having less depth.

[Red Bear]

Maybe what the Eagles and Chiefs were offering wasn't that much better, and where does he actually live? If he lives in VA, that means he saves money on renting an apartment, gets to live in a nicer house and closer to family and play for a team he loves. Maybe that means more to him then an extra 100k/season.

he also grew up as a redskins fan and really loves to have the chance to play for Gibbs. this is a guy who wants to be here, over any other place it seems. that could be a really good thing, perhaps he can play himself into a longer term deal with us.

i think this is a really good depth signing for us. our top four corners now have starting experience and are veteran guys. macklin also should be a good value for us

[skinsfaninva]

Is grammatical ineptitude now a Papoosian requirement? Aaaaaaaaaaah! Or maybe that's just the way Macklin's posse rolls?

Sorry oh great grammatical god. The only thing that I misspelled was misconstrude (misconstrued). Other than that I would invite you to correct my grammar for me.

[firehawk157]

Sorry oh great grammatical god. The only thing that I misspelled was misconstrude (misconstrued). Other than that I would invite you to correct my grammar for me.

Don't take offense, there were a couple of newer guys who had some bad grammar and he just sort of vented on you. I'll find the real offender.

[skinsfaninva]

NO! NO! NO!

As Akh stated, this is a trade Detroit wouldn't make because it is not getting enough compensation.

And, moving up for Johnson makes no sense for the Skins. If Johnson falls to No. 6, they can certainly consider picking him. But, no trade up.
This constant mortgaging of future picks is just NOT SMART, and the front office needs to put a stop to that practice right now.

Please read my post #152. I would not make this deal!! Akh asked as a response from another post how signing Macklin was a sign that the Skins were going to trade up for CJ. My original post was only what I thought would be the thinking of those saying that signing Macklin was in fact going to lead to the Skins trading up for CJ.

[firehawk157]

Please read my post #152. I would not make this deal!! Akh asked as a response from another post how signing Macklin was a sign that the Skins were going to trade up for CJ. My original post was only what I thought would be the thinking of those saying that signing Macklin was in fact going to lead to the Skins trading up for CJ.

Who says THAT?! That's like, I re-upholstered my car so I don't need to change my balding tires...

[skinsfaninva]

Who says THAT?! That's like, I re-upholstered my car so I don't need to change my balding tires...

Jayman in post #60.

[firehawk157]

Jayman in post #60.

Oh, I believe you! It's not that at all. I'm just remarking on how flawed that logic is.

[skinfan43]

If we trade away ANY picks from next years' draft, or trade up at all in this one, there will be a broken TV in my house.
Well, maybe just alot of cursing.
We need MORE picks, if anything, both this season and for the next few to build and maintain a winning team again.
Only if the Pats give us #28 and Samuel for Springs and #6 am I ok with oving so far down the first round of the draft.
Well, unless we trade down twice and end up w/two first round picks or one first and a couple of seconds.
I sure am definitive with my takes...
...sometimes;)

[skinsfaninva]

Oh, I believe you! It's not that at all. I'm just remarking on how flawed that logic is.

I agree but we are talking about Vinny and Danny.

[frankez99]

Wow, so now one has to be on a bandwagon in order to recognize when a player is totally inept? Jimoh's coverage skills may have improved over the last couple of seasons, but he is still not even a reasonable option as a 4th corner. Don't get me wrong...he's a GOOD special teams player, but I'm stopping there. I'm not on a bandwagon, I'm merely stating the obvious.

CS...apologize for coming off as calling you Bandwagon...I really didn't intend that.....but Jimoh is a KEY cog in the ONE unit that didn't suck....our special teams. 2 or 3 years ago it was hip to hate on Jimoh, but if you look closely you would notice that he is extremely solid on special teams....especially as the first tackler.

You will also notice that last season the Jimoh jokes died pretty dramatically here at hR. Thank goodness he wasn't featured at CB (where he was bad, indeed during his tenure); but was very solid on special teams (where he had 20 solo tackles).

Believe it or not....teams notice the loss of the Jimoh and Thrash types on the the very underrated special teams.

Man...times must be tough in Redskin-land as I find myself defending Jimoh......

[shally]

If we trade away ANY picks from next years' draft, or trade up at all in this one, there will be a broken TV in my house.
Well, maybe just alot of cursing.
We need MORE picks, if anything, both this season and for the next few to build and maintain a winning team again.
Only if the Pats give us #28 and Samuel for Springs and #6 am I ok with oving so far down the first round of the draft.
Well, unless we trade down twice and end up w/two first round picks or one first and a couple of seconds.
I sure am definitive with my takes...
...sometimes;)

i agree with you.. but.. i think the FO might think that 5 picks are enough.

maybe even fewer if they see an option to trade up..

for example. just look at the db's .. we now have
springs, rogers, smoot, jimoh, macklin, eubanks
taylor, PP, fox, doughty, stoutmire
plus a couple of other camp body types.. i wonder why we would be spending a first day draft pick here anyway..?

realistically, the areas where we really do need upgrades are along the d line and depth for the o line ( ???? with wade, tucker and fabini added). some young depth at lb, also.

you can take the position that young talent is the lifeblood of any team and i cannot argue with that. and you can say that with free agency a team must always be grooming young players to take over.. all that is true.

still, out of 5 draft picks (including 4 second day types) how many do you expect to make the team this year ?

i am just playing devil's advocate for a moment because i would still prefer to trade down and add a second and or third round pick. but if the truth be told, i would be satisfied with a premium def linemen at 6, another second day def lineman and 3 other development types out of this draft.

[462skin]

I Love this signing not alot of money solid depth..Good Luck and glad to have you Mr. Macklin!!!
:)

[Slobberknocker]

Don't take offense, there were a couple of newer guys who had some bad grammar and he just sort of vented on you. I'll find the real offender.

Exactly. There was a string of posts from newbies that were just horrendous. One of the wonderful things that sets this forum apart is its decorum (no cussing, fair and open discussion) and civility. It's not a smoking room or gentleman's club (too many great women around these parts for that)... but thank God we have a home that's both football savy, Redskins loyal and kind to one another.

I meant no offense. But runon sentences and text-message speak drive me nuts. There are plenty of places for that. Most involve switching loyalties to the Cowboys, however... :rolleyes:

[HanburgerBum]

Please read my post #152. I would not make this deal!! Akh asked as a response from another post how signing Macklin was a sign that the Skins were going to trade up for CJ. My original post was only what I thought would be the thinking of those saying that signing Macklin was in fact going to lead to the Skins trading up for CJ.


I apologize for misreading your position. Anyhow, I was just trying to make the point that I want our front office to stop the practice of routinely mortgaging future first-day picks. It is simply a dumb way to run a team for the long haul.

[urobm]

I'm not sure any of the top ranked DLinemen are worth the #6 this year. I would feel more comfortable if we were able to trade down in the 15-10 area and grab someone there, as well as possibly pick up another player at a position of need.

This signing does a great job filling out our depth at CB, so the skins can focus on oline, or linebacker, etc. with the other day 1 pick.


Yes good signing with good depth, and as you say with no sure thing DL, why not trade down. I wouldnt mind trading out of the 1st round all together.

[santanadasavior]

I like this move. This gives us solid depth as opposed to just depth.

[Redskin4Life]

i agree with you.. but.. i think the FO might think that 5 picks are enough.

maybe even fewer if they see an option to trade up..

for example. just look at the db's .. we now have
springs, rogers, smoot, jimoh, macklin, eubanks
taylor, PP, fox, doughty, stoutmire
plus a couple of other camp body types.. i wonder why we would be spending a first day draft pick here anyway..?

realistically, the areas where we really do need upgrades are along the d line and depth for the o line ( ???? with wade, tucker and fabini added). some young depth at lb, also.

you can take the position that young talent is the lifeblood of any team and i cannot argue with that. and you can say that with free agency a team must always be grooming young players to take over.. all that is true.

still, out of 5 draft picks (including 4 second day types) how many do you expect to make the team this year ?

i am just playing devil's advocate for a moment because i would still prefer to trade down and add a second and or third round pick. but if the truth be told, i would be satisfied with a premium def linemen at 6, another second day def lineman and 3 other development types out of this draft.
I guess the better question would be how many of the VETS do you think we'll keep? It's quite possible that we're going to STILL try to trade down and pick up hopefully two more first day picks. With those picks, we could get a CB, OG and DLinemen.

If we drafted them, I'm sure the coaches wanted him. If the draftees live up to expectations, would you rather cheap young depth that could possibly win a starting job? Or a vet that has maybe one or two years left in him or isn't that great?

I'd rather open competition and let the best young man win...

As for the Macklin signing, I think this is more a sign of Springs moving to safety than Macklin. If he's assure the chance to play at LEAST the nickel, I can see him coming here over other places... I know the Eagles and Chiefs couldn't offer anything better than that.

[firehawk157]

I guess the better question would be how many of the VETS do you think we'll keep? It's quite possible that we're going to STILL try to trade down and pick up hopefully two more first day picks. With those picks, we could get a CB, OG and DLinemen.

If we drafted them, I'm sure the coaches wanted him. If the draftees live up to expectations, would you rather cheap young depth that could possibly win a starting job? Or a vet that has maybe one or two years left in him or isn't that great?

I'd rather open competition and let the best young man win...

I don't think getting a young corner for the sake of getting a young corner, in THIS particular draft will be a good idea. I mean, if we're talking about a 5th-7th rounder, that's a bit different. But a first day pick (even if we trade down) needs to be spent on places we need depth and a potential starter (ie, DL, OL, TE, SS). CB isn't one of those IMO. Even with the imminent injury of Shawn, we still have a decent corps of CBs.

As for the Macklin signing, I think this is more a sign of Springs moving to safety than Macklin. If he's assure the chance to play at LEAST the nickel, I can see him coming here over other places... I know the Eagles and Chiefs couldn't offer anything better than that.

I'm not sure it's a sign of anything, yet. Except a smart signing for depth of course. Macklin's a lifetime Skins fan, would you give up a tenth of your salary to play for the Skins? That might be what we're talking about here. Of course, we don't know. But to assume that this means Springs is moving to safety (after all, we're talking about a guy who is pretty much a back-up and knows it), is a bit assumptive.

[Redskin4Life]

I don't think getting a young corner for the sake of getting a young corner, in THIS particular draft will be a good idea. I mean, if we're talking about a 5th-7th rounder, that's a bit different. But a first day pick (even if we trade down) needs to be spent on places we need depth and a potential starter (ie, DL, OL, TE, SS). CB isn't one of those IMO. Even with the imminent injury of Shawn, we still have a decent corps of CBs.
Are you referring to the '09 starting two of Rogers and Smoot with Springs being cut/traded/released/moved to safety? I don't know about you but I don't feel very confident about those two right now. I think we need to look at the future and bring in a CB with the potential of being a starter (but like you said... not one just to bring in one). And of course I wasn't thinking of getting a corner with the second day picks... it was only a consideration if we get extra first day picks. What I was proposing was to trade down and get three picks out of the #6. Draft an OG, CB and a DT/DE in day 1. On day 2, best player available at OL, DL, TE.

But then again if we got a CB and moved Springs to safety, we wouldn't have a need at SS anymore. That would leave DL (which honestly we only need one or two DL future starters) and OL (which I'm not sure we're going to bring in anyone unless it's a high draft pick). TE seems to be secure with Cooley, Pucillo and Yoder (maybe a late pick/undrafted guy or a June 1st cut).

Defense should be the focus of this draft. DLinemen and corners are the way to go in the first day. Linebacker can be the focus of next year's draft.

I'm not sure it's a sign of anything, yet. Except a smart signing for depth of course. Macklin's a lifetime Skins fan, would you give up a tenth of your salary to play for the Skins? That might be what we're talking about here. Of course, we don't know. But to assume that this means Springs is moving to safety (after all, we're talking about a guy who is pretty much a back-up and knows it), is a bit assumptive.
FH, please refer to some of the previous posts in this thread and you'll see I'm responding to some of the posts about Macklin being promised time at safety. I was commenting back about the possiblity that this move is more a chance for SPRINGS to move to safety instead of Macklin. I don't see this move being anything more than quality depth and a chance for Macklin to get to be a Skin for more than one season (if he plays well). But Springs moving to safety has been discussed here and on the Redskins official website....

[santanadasavior]

I don't think we are going to draft a CB for the simple reason that we signed 2 solid CBs and we kept Springs, at least until this point.

[nicefellow31]

Cool. This guy went to high school right down the street from me....

What does this say about Rogers' need to bring his 'A' game?

I was going to say that probably part of the reason he signed is that he is from Newport News, VA and went to Menchville H.S. and is very active in the local community

[funnyperson1]

This is very good, I've been gone for a while, it looks like our secondary should be pretty decent this year.

[sj661990]

Good pick up. Now we can move Macklin to nickel and Springs to safety.

[Hr fan]

I am shocked to read quotes about maybe Smoot can be a good 3 or 4.I don't think 2 years in Minny shot his career to hell.As far as I see it Rogers has not exactly grabbed the job and took it as his.Rogers has proven that he can't catch a cold and I believe that Williams is going to make it an open audition.The 1 think that I am afraid of is that this might not be depth with Springs ,it may be depth WITHOUT Springs.Just meaning that this might be the excuse the FO needs to jettison Springs for whatever reason,which I think at this point would not be wise.I would rather have all of them here competing for a starting job than taking a cap hit on Springs and having less depth.

Agree on Smoot. He is home, 20# lighter, and freed from the constant spectre of the love boat (that must have been a gigantic distraction). About Springs I have to respectfully offer the following observation.

Cap reality means you can't have everything you want. If we get more picks by trading down we lock up more in SB - and won't a #6 command about a $8M signing bonus, which is all the room we have? Springs has refused to renegotiate his contract, which an older vet with a bad injury history at SEA and here should think twice about. If he remains stubborn I can easily see the 'Skins releasing Springs however reluctantly. Further, a June 1 cut (necessitated by the cap) would mean no sane team would sign him until the second game, thus not guaranteeing his contract in 2007. With his injury history, he is playing a game of chicken with the FO and Macklin might just be the piece of the puzzle that allows a take it or leave it position with Springs.

[Hr fan]

He went though a couple of agents during his rookie year and it was reported locally that he wanted the Redskins to redo what HE wound up with.

No doubt there are others who recall this.

He was happy until fellow Miami alum Winslow, drafted after him, got a better deal. The he let it be known he was dissatisfied.

[Hr fan]

i think it will allow a more gradual transition with springs moving to safety in some packages, but there is no way springs gets replaced as the #1 corner as long as he is healthy this year

"as long as he is healthy" His history with SEA and us says about 3 games really healthy, 5-7 games nicked, and 6-8 games sub-par or out. At his contract amount, any team, including the 'Skins, would be well advised to consider an Arrington/NYG type of performance related contract.

[Hr fan]

Hey, guys, there's one thing I don't understand about the Macklin signing... It said that he signed cheap to help the Skins with cap. But I thought we were plenty clear on cap and all ready to do the Briggs deal. With the Briggs deal in the crapper, what exactly is all that reserve for? No Bly, no Briggs, so why didn't we have more dough to give Mack? If we didn't, now what's it for? Are we still keeping our cards to play a hand on D-day?

Just wondering. This idea that we don't have cap smells fishy. Must be something goin' on. Gibbs & Co. are sure playing a mean hand of poker.

$8M, current space under the cap, is barely enough to cove a #6 SB, all of which hits in year 1.

[hockeygoalie29]

$8M, current space under the cap, is barely enough to cove a #6 SB, all of which hits in year 1.

All of which hits in year one? What makes a rookie contract any different than any other contract where you can spread the signing bonus over the life of the deal?

[redskinz#1fan]

$8M, current space under the cap, is barely enough to cove a #6 SB, all of which hits in year 1.


I think you need to re-look at your calculation of numbers. The cap hit runs throughout the contract.

[colkurtz]

$8M, current space under the cap, is barely enough to cove a #6 SB, all of which hits in year 1.

Plus there is special money [outside the cap] for rookies. Don't think your statement is accurate at all.

[shally]

Plus there is special money [outside the cap] for rookies. Don't think your statement is accurate at all.

i think there will ne no problem fitting draft picks under the cap.. only if we had 2 top 10 picks, and that simply is not going to happen

[skinsfan36]

8 million in year one probably wont even go to the 1st pick

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think if PP is healthy he starts... with the resigning of Stoutmire and Doughty you have depth for situational packages. And Springs...maybe, just maybe he's a year or away from having to play safety, if healthy...

[shally]

I think if PP is healthy he starts... with the resigning of Stoutmire and Doughty you have depth for situational packages. And Springs...maybe, just maybe he's a year or away from having to play safety, if healthy...

dont forget about fox... the competition at safety is going to be very keen this year

[redskinz#1fan]

i think there will ne no problem fitting draft picks under the cap.. only if we had 2 top 10 picks, and that simply is not going to happen


Now that would be super sweet! Talk about having a draft party! :beer:

[redskinz#1fan]

dont forget about fox... the competition at safety is going to be very keen this year


Yeah I think that we are definitely going to have some good battles at the other safety spot this offseason. I can't wait...this should get very interesting! Fox, Doughty, P-squared, Springs (possible)...how ever it comes out, we should have a pretty solid secondary...With decent depth!

[colkurtz]

Yeah I think that we are definitely going to have some good battles at the other safety spot this offseason. I can't wait...this should get very interesting! Fox, Doughty, P-squared, Springs (possible)...how ever it comes out, we should have a pretty solid secondary...With decent depth!

Yes, I'm excited to see how Fox does this season. Cinderella story candidate (since lumsden is gone)?

[NCskinsfanatic]

actually we could make out quite well with 1 top ten pick and a high third rounder...two starters could easily be found IMO, Dock was a third ya know and Okeye or Anderson would help our D in the first.

[James F. Quinn]

"as long as he is healthy" His history with SEA and us says about 3 games really healthy, 5-7 games nicked, and 6-8 games sub-par or out. At his contract amount, any team, including the 'Skins, would be well advised to consider an Arrington/NYG type of performance related contract.

He already has a contract that runs through 2009. He can't be forced to change to a different contract; all they can do is cut him, trade him, or play him under his current contract. If kept or traded, his contract is what it is. Even with his history of injury, if he were cut and became a FA, there would be competion for his services. The team making the best offer would get him, and his contract would not likely be contingent, like Arrington's. There was very little demand for Lavar's services. Antonio Pearce was the one who convinced the Giants that Lavar was great and not injury prone or a freelancer. And that really worked out great for them didn't it?

If they sign someone at a $8M signing Bonus on a seven year contract, the SB is allocated over the entire seven years, The impact of the SB in this coming season is $8/7= $1.14M. The impact on the cap is that amount plus whatever his first year salary is, which is usually the minimum. That leaves plenty of money for other signings.

[chrisbcbu]

Plus there is special money [outside the cap] for rookies. Don't think your statement is accurate at all.

There is not special money outside of the cap for rookies. It is allocated money from the cap. So if we are 8million under the cap, only 4 million can be used towards the rookies.

I dont think the rookie pool money has been given yet.(i could be wrong)

[James F. Quinn]

if we are 8million under the cap...(i could be wrong)

Jason La Canfora wrote today that we were less than $4m under the cap.

There may be some more personnel moves/transactions that can gain us more space, though.

[Hr fan]

He already has a contract that runs through 2009. He can't be forced to change to a different contract; all they can do is cut him, trade him, or play him under his current contract. If kept or traded, his contract is what it is. Even with his history of injury, if he were cut and became a FA, there would be competion for his services. The team making the best offer would get him, and his contract would not likely be contingent, like Arrington's. There was very little demand for Lavar's services. Antonio Pearce was the one who convinced the Giants that Lavar was great and not injury prone or a freelancer. And that really worked out great for them didn't it?

If they sign someone at a $8M signing Bonus on a seven year contract, the SB is allocated over the entire seven years, The impact of the SB in this coming season is $8/7= $1.14M. The impact on the cap is that amount plus whatever his first year salary is, which is usually the minimum. That leaves plenty of money for other signings.

I realize the limitations that cap and contract play with Springs. The question is whether he is worth his contract to us (IMHO he won't give us enough since there is a high probability of his being injured). The comment of an incentive contract pertains to any other team signing him after he is cut. Any trade before June 1 would accelerate the prorated bonus for 3 years (2007-2009), while a June 1 cut would accelerate only 1.5 years into 2007 and 2008. This also limits Springs' trade value, say during the draft. The trading team would inherit the contract, which is high considerring the short and long term injury history. If Springs isn't a draft day trade I expect him to be a June 1 cut (why pay for damaged goods when he is going to be available?). Hence my comment on bidders maybe perferring an incentive contract after that time.

I don't question Springs ability, only his availability. A realistic appraisal of value at cost given projected availability is not good under his current contract IMO.

[redwolf1218]

Jason La Canfora wrote today that we were less than $4m under the cap.

There may be some more personnel moves/transactions that can gain us more space, though.
warpath says we are about 4.5 under as of april 5, not including signing Macklin and Fabini, and not inlcuding the release of Patten.

http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salaries%20Pages%20Summary.html

[Hr fan]

I think you need to re-look at your calculation of numbers. The cap hit runs throughout the contract.

No arguement from here about the SB being spread. Typically this is 5 yrs, and double digit bonuses in the top 10 are becoming a requirement based on escalating slotting. We trade down but not too far, pick up extra picks or a vet (say Jenkins) and add up the total impact in 2006/2007 (such as releasing Springs, Wynn, Daniels or a combination which accelerates his/their SB). $8M (Patten cut + Wynn presumably if we draft DL) is not a comfortable margin, particularly if June 1st cuts of expensive vets by other teams are coveted, or injuries cause both the injured player and replacement (color Duckett in here) to be counted against current cap.