Lack of draft picks are killing us.

[bigcmr]

It was a long day watching the whole draft. I will admit I was on the drafting a D-Lineman badwagon. The Landery pick was by far the best talent avalible but left a lot of us scratching our heads about what our team needs our. Well lets not kid ourselfs. If we never would of squandered our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks away in trades. We could of drafted Landery and taken care of the D-line in 2nd and 3rd. And all been happy. Well I just hope this can be a lesson learned by the FO. To stop burning draft picks before we relize we need them. Good thing today is we did not start trading away picks for next year. So lets all be possitive and hope we can find some late round gems in day 2 of the draft.

[Skinreds]

It was a long day watching the whole draft. I will admit I was on the drafting a D-Lineman badwagon. The Landery pick was by far the best talent avalible but left a lot of us scratching our heads about what our team needs our. Well lets not kid ourselfs. If we never would of squandered our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks away in trades. We could of drafted Landery and taken care of the D-line in 2nd and 3rd. And all been happy. Well I just hope this can be a lesson learned by the FO. To stop burning draft picks before we relize we need them. Good thing today is we did not start trading away picks for next year. So lets all be possitive and hope we can find some late round gems in day 2 of the draft.

I know, i noticed how man DTs and DEs slipped into 2nd and 3rd rounds. if only we had one pick in those rounds..... i think Quinton Pittcock went in the 3rd round to Indy, we could have gotten him if anything.

[whitskins]

Yes, this philosophy has hurt us for years and killed us today. It was a really bitter pill to swallow and I hope that Gibbs and Snyder feel the same way.

I have to believe that they are adjusting their philosophy because they resisted the urge to trade future picks to get back into the first when there were still players who could help us. I think they decided to just bite the bullet and come in next year with a full slate. I still think we had a good offseason even with only one first day pick though. But we do have several holes left unfilled because of some poor deals in the past.

[bigcmr]

As of right now In next years draft we are only missing a 4th rounder. So hopefully the FO does not touch any of next years draft picks.

[BurgundyNGold]

As of right now In next years draft we are only missing a 4th rounder. So hopefully the FO does not touch any of next years draft picks.
Duckett. :doh:

[Redskinfan28]

the TJ Duckett trade was one of he worst in modern era.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

the TJ Duckett trade was one of he worst in modern era.
It's easier if you pretend it never happened..it really is..trust me...

[Skinz4lyfe]

It's easier if you pretend it never happened..it really is..trust me...

TJ Duckett? What happened? You mean he doesn't play for the Falcons anymore? :)

[Hr fan]

Yes, this philosophy has hurt us for years and killed us today. It was a really bitter pill to swallow and I hope that Gibbs and Snyder feel the same way.

I have to believe that they are adjusting their philosophy because they resisted the urge to trade future picks to get back into the first when there were still players who could help us. I think they decided to just bite the bullet and come in next year with a full slate. I still think we had a good offseason even with only one first day pick though. But we do have several holes left unfilled because of some poor deals in the past.

The FO is concentrating on obtaining veterans, using trade bait like Shawn Springs and future picks, to fill the holes on the D line. Sigh.

[Hr fan]

As of right now In next years draft we are only missing a 4th rounder. So hopefully the FO does not touch any of next years draft picks.

If I remember correctly Gibbs said at a news conference that the Duckett disaster had been concluded by the 3rd pick alone. Made sense - the 5th pick in round 3 cerftainly qualifies as a "high thrid round pick" in value. Please, someone, correct me if I am wrong.

[akhhorus]

the TJ Duckett trade was one of he worst in modern era.

it was a bad trade, but jesus christ: it was worst than two top 15 picks for Sean Gilbert? Or 2 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd(and Eric Metcalf) for Ryan Leaf? Or even in the same ball park as Philip Rivers, Merriman and Nate Kaeding for Eli Manning? Get a fricking grip.

[redskin_rich]

If I remember correctly Gibbs said at a news conference that the Duckett disaster had been concluded by the 3rd pick alone. Made sense - the 5th pick in round 3 cerftainly qualifies as a "high thrid round pick" in value. Please, someone, correct me if I am wrong.
Gibbs said we were giving this year's 3rd and next year's 4th, in his season ending press conference.

I really wish we could have just swapped 1st rounders to complete the value of the trade.

[shally]

Duckett. :doh:

i thought duckett was THIS year ?? >>>d'oh.. plus a 4th from next to sweeten it for denver...

[shally]

The FO is concentrating on obtaining veterans, using trade bait like Shawn Springs and future picks, to fill the holes on the D line. Sigh.

they better not dump springs or landry better have a set of wings under his jersey

[NCskinsfanatic]

I don't think springs is going anywhere...atleast not with day one draft complete, the only scenario I could see is a trade for a starting DE after the draft.

[shally]

I don't think springs is going anywhere...atleast not with day one draft complete, the only scenario I could see is a trade for a starting DE after the draft.

justin smith ?? if cincy cannot get him signed long term...

still, not much out there right now

[urobm]

It is frustrating to see all these value picks slide down the draft and we can do anything but wait until the 5th round. Well this is a lesson well learned. I just hope we end up getting a DLineman late that can atleast contribute a little bit. I know thats wishful thinking, but are there really anymore options at this point.

[shally]

It is frustrating to see all these value picks slide down the draft and we can do anything but wait until the 5th round. Well this is a lesson well learned. I just hope we end up getting a DLineman late that can atleast contribute a little bit. I know thats wishful thinking, but are there really anymore options at this point.

there will be some post june 1 after teams assess their draft and go younger and cheaper--- something we never worry about

[urobm]

there will be some post june 1 after teams assess their draft and go younger and cheaper--- something we never worry about


Yeah I know, I just dont like depending on that because, you never know for sure who is going to be there. At this point I think thats the only option though, unless there a truly is a gem out there in the 5 - 7 round.

[shally]

Yeah I know, I just dont like depending on that because, you never know for sure who is going to be there. At this point I think thats the only option though, unless there a truly is a gem out there in the 5 - 7 round.

even a "gem" will be productive only the last 1/3 of the season.. it will take at least that long to earn GW's trust and get playing time

[urobm]

even a "gem" will be productive only the last 1/3 of the season.. it will take at least that long to earn GW's trust and get playing time


So while on the topic of playing time, how long before Landry is in the starting lineup.

[akhhorus]

even a "gem" will be productive only the last 1/3 of the season.. it will take at least that long to earn GW's trust and get playing time

Except that Golston and Montgomery were playing significant time from Day 1. This concept that Williams doesn't play rookies is a myth.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Except that Golston and Montgomery were playing significant time from Day 1. This concept that Williams doesn't play rookies is a myth.
Yeah. It was created by Rocky. He is the only rookie that didn't get significant playing time early on in the season.

[akhhorus]

Yeah. It was created by Rocky. He is the only rookie that didn't get significant playing time early on in the season.

But he did. He played significant time in the Indy game, and looked terrible.

[urobm]

justin smith ?? if cincy cannot get him signed long term...

still, not much out there right now


Please dont get me excited like that!! Justin Smith, would't that be something!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

But he did. He played significant time in the Indy game, and looked terrible.
I meant real early, like first 3-4 games.

[shally]

So while on the topic of playing time, how long before Landry is in the starting lineup.

special teams right away..

game 4 as a starter... actually a lot depends upon the health of PP

[SpicyMcHaggis]

special teams right away..

game 4 as a starter... actually a lot depends upon the health of PP
I think he starts the opener.

[shally]

Except that Golston and Montgomery were playing significant time from Day 1. This concept that Williams doesn't play rookies is a myth.

i think you are exactly right about golston.. but i do not even think that montgomery was activated for many games, much less got onto the field

they soured on him pretty quickly because of his poor practice performance

[shally]

I think he starts the opener.

PP or landry ?

landry will not start until game 4.. put some asti on that one..

[akhhorus]

i think you are exactly right about golston.. but i do not even think that montgomery was activated for many games, much less got onto the field

they soured on him pretty quickly because of his poor practice performance

He played in 9 games, and played significant time by week 3. He didn't play at all in the 2nd half of the season basically.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i think you are exactly right about golston.. but i do not even think that montgomery was activated for many games, much less got onto the field

they soured on him pretty quickly because of his poor practice performance
He was active for 5 games and recorded at least a tackel in 4. But you're right, they played him early on, and then nothing except the Falcons game.

[shally]

He played in 9 games, and played significant time by week 3. He didn't play at all in the 2nd half of the season basically.

okay.. that is what i recall.. he was said to be a poor practice player and didnt get activated, as you say, for nearly the second half of the year.

hopefully he has had a solid off season

[shally]

He was active for 5 games and recorded at least a tackel in 4. But you're right, they played him early on, and then nothing except the Falcons game.

so, either he wore down due to poor conditioning (which i think) or his effort and desire waned as he got a taste of the pro game.

he needs a solid off season to contribute this season

[Hr fan]

As of right now In next years draft we are only missing a 4th rounder. So hopefully the FO does not touch any of next years draft picks.

Someone please check up on this. As originally announced the trade was "the equivalent of a high 3rd round draft choice", or a swap of 1st rounders (depending on relative point value), or a 3rd & 2008 4th if the 3rd was not high enough. 80% of 3rd round picks occured after our 3rd. I remember JG at a news conference two months ago saying the trade had been settle for our 3rd, period, but memory is a frail thing. If someone knows what the facts are please answer this post. Thanks.