At #143, The Redskins Select LB Dallas Sartz - USC

[akhhorus]

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DALLAS SARTZ - LB - USC



http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/sartz_dallas
OVERVIEW

Another in a long line of standout linebackers to perform for the Trojans, Sartz's size, strength and range have drawn comparisons to former USC great Duane Bickett, who was a 1985 first-round choice by the Indianapolis Colts and enjoyed a 12-year pro career.

Sartz comes from a sports-oriented family. His grandfather, also named Dallas, was a Golden Gloves boxer at Washington State and a professional hydroplane racer. His father, Jeff, played safety at Oregon State.

Sartz was a 2001 Prep Star All-America, Super Prep All-Farwest, Prep Star All-Western Region, Tom Lemming All-West and Long Beach Press-Telegram Best in the West second-team selection at Granite Bay High School. He added Tacoma News Tribune Western 100 and Sacramento Bee All-Sacramento first team as a senior defensive back and tight end. He was also a National Football Foundation Scholar-Athlete.

As a senior, Sartz recorded 103 tackles, including four for losses, two interceptions, seven pass deflections, two fumble recoveries, three forced fumbles and six blocked kicks. As a junior in 2000, he made 81 tackles, including four sacks, six interceptions and four forced fumbles.

He also was on Granite Bay's track team, with bests of 11.1 seconds in the 100-meters, 14.47 in the 110-meter high hurdles, 39.7 in the 300-meter intermediate hurdles and 20-plus in the long jump, while also competing in the high jump, shot put and 400-meters. He also lettered in basketball, earning all-league honors.

Sartz enrolled at Southern California in 2002, seeing action mostly on special teams and as a reserve outside linebacker as a true freshman. He made eight tackles (five solos) with a stop for a loss, an interception and a pass deflection.

In 2003, he shared strongside outside linebacker duties with Matt Grootengoed, starting the final six games. He went on to record 60 tackles (32 solos) with two sacks and six stops for losses. He also blocked a kick and batted away four passes.

With Grootengoed having graduated, Sartz started all 13 games at strongside linebacker, helping the team capture its second consecutive national title. The All-Pac 10 Conference honorable mention honoree posted 48 tackles (22 solos) with 3.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage and a forced fumble. He deflected six passes and intercepted another.

Primed for a banner senior year in 2005, Sartz delivered eight tackles (six solos) with a pair of sacks in the team's first two games. But he suffered a left shoulder dislocation against Arkansas and was forced to miss the rest of the season.

Sartz used a medical hardship for 2005 so he could return in 2006. The defensive captain picked up honorable mention All-Pac 10 accolades as he finished third on the team with 70 tackles (41 solos). He led the team with seven sacks and was credited with 9.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage. He batted down five passes, caused one fumble and recovered two others.

In 53 games at Southern California, Sartz started 34 times at strongside outside linebacker. He registered 194 tackles (106 solos) with 12.5 sacks for minus-71 yards and 22.5 stops for losses of 101 yards. He caused two fumbles and recovered two others. He blocked one kick, had 16 pass deflections and gained 30 yards on a pair of interception returns.

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a tall, angular frame with room to add more bulk without losing any of his quickness … Has developed chest and arm muscles with a good bubble and tapered thighs, long arms and adequate playing strength … Self-motivated player with great character and work ethic … Plays at a high intensity level and is a favorite of the coaching staff because of his team-first attitude … Aggressive tackler who has the good pad level and leg drive to step up and take on the lead blocker in attempts to plug the rush lanes … Lacks ideal hip swerve, but shows a good burst to close on plays in front of him … Builds to top speed nicely and won't take false steps in transition, doing a nice job of accelerating out of his breaks … Plays until the whistle and won't back down from a challenge, even when his multiple moves fail … Shows good hand placement, extension and punch in shedding and keeping blockers off his body … Has just adequate instincts, but is quick to react once he locates the ball … Despite his lanky frame, he knows how to sink his weight, put his foot in the ground, and combat with his hands in attempts to stack the lead blocker … Has the long arm reach to maintain separation from offensive linemen and keeps his pads low to gain leverage … Delivers a punishing hand punch to tight ends to jam them at the line … Has the speed to reach ball carriers on the outside and the acceleration to be a decent blitzer coming off the edge … Knows how to widen the blocker and separate to make plays in space … Has the chase speed to cut off the outside runner and shows good urgency trying to chase the runner down in the open … Has that explosive leg drive and hip strike to push back single blockers when shooting the inside gaps … More of a straight-line charger coming off the edge than one who can smoothly redirect, but is effective running stunts due to his quickness … Not a natural hands catcher, but did show better timing with his leaps to compete for the ball at its high point in 2006 … Good hustler with nice timing on the blitz, knowing which angles will let him take the shortest path to the quarterback … Has good quickness on the chase playing on the special team coverage units … Conscious of cut blocks, doing a nice job of sidestepping them or using his hands to fend them off.

Negatives: Better in-the-box tackler, as he tends to get too tall in his stance when working down the line … When he gets too erect in his forward charge in attempts to plug the rush lanes, the lead blocker is able to get underneath and into his chest to ride him out … Not a consistent wrap-up tackler, as he is prone to grabbing and dragging down rather than getting into position to wrap and secure … Bit of a liability in man coverage, as he lacks the loose hips and lateral agility to re-direct and recover when beaten … His insistence on over-powering his man has led to some tough times trying to disengage from blocks when working through traffic … Adequate in covering backs and tight ends in the short-area passing game, but lacks depth and hip smoothness in his pass drops and needs to do a better job of anticipating the pass (doesn't get his head turned around properly) … Good edge rusher, but if he has to re-direct, he lacks the plant-and-drive agility to close on the pocket … Needs to improve his hand technique in pass protection, as he tends to maul the receiver, drawing costly pass interference calls.

Compares To: Carlos Emmons, ex-New York Giants -- Sartz has a tall, angular frame with the long arms to fend off single blocks … He is more effective playing inside the box than in space due to hip stiffness and is a bit of a liability in pass coverage … He plays with a steady motor and, while he lacks instincts, he is quick to close on the ball once he locates it … He showed in 2006 that he can be an effective edge blitzer, and with improved strength, he won't have problems with the outside runners at the next level … He is not really much of a playmaker, but will put forth a solid blue-collar job and adds to his resume with his ability to play on the special teams coverage units.

INJURY REPORT

2005: Dislocated his left shoulder early in the first quarter of the Arkansas game (Sept. 17), missing the team's final 11 games.

2006: Held out of most of spring drills to allow his shoulder to recover … Missed several practices leading up to the Arizona State game (Oct. 14) with a knee sprain … Sat out several practices (Dec. 24) leading up to the 2007 Rose Bowl due to a hip strain.

AGILITY TESTS

Campus: 4.71 in the 40-yard dash … Bench pressed 225 pounds 16 times … 360-pound bench press … 500-pound squat … 285-pound power clean … 33½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-4 long jump … 33½-inch arm length … 9 1/8-inch hands … Ambidextrous.

Combine: 4.72 in the 40-yard dash … 1.65 10-yard dash … 2.75 20-yard dash … 33½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-3 broad jump … 4.13 20-yard shuttle … 11.34 60-yard shuttle … 6.85 three-cone drill … Bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Granite Bay (Calif.) High School, earning 2001 Prep Star All-America, Super Prep All-Farwest, Prep Star All-Western Region, Tom Lemming All-West and Long Beach Press-Telegram Best in the West second-team honors … Added Tacoma News Tribune Western 100 and Sacramento Bee All-Sacramento first team as a senior defensive back and tight end … Was also a National Football Foundation Scholar-Athlete … As a senior, Sartz made 103 tackles, including four for losses, two interceptions, seven pass deflections, two fumble recoveries, three forced fumbles and six blocked kicks … As a junior in 2000, he made 81 tackles, including four sacks, six interceptions and four forced fumbles … Also was on Granite Bay's track team, with bests of 11.1 seconds in the 100-meters, 14.47 in the 110-meter high hurdles, 39.7 in the 300-meter intermediate hurdles and 20-plus in the long jump, while also competing in the high jump, shot put and 400-meters … Lettered in basketball, earning all-league honors.

PERSONAL

Communications major … Father, Jeff, played safety at Oregon State … Grandfather, also named Dallas, was a Golden Gloves boxer at Washington State and a professional hydroplane racer … Born July 8, 1983 … Resides in Granite Bay, Calif.

[RedHokieSkin]

Anyone else a little concerned with the names of the picks so far? Landry... Dallas....

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Anyone else a little concerned with the names of the picks so far? Landry... Dallas....
Haha... LOL

BTW, I'm definitely happy about LaRon, but let me be the first of the thread... what about DL?

[Warpath23]

OMG?? Its not like we need Dline help or anything. Dallas Sartz when Rufus Alexander & Tim Shaw were still on the board? I dont understand our FO sometimes.

[smoak]

Other than the name, I love what I've heard about this kid.

[akhhorus]

OMG?? Its not like we need Dline help or anything. Dallas Sartz when Rufus Alexander & Tim Shaw were still on the board? I dont understand our FO sometimes.

I think Sartz might play DE in the NFL. Williams likes his OLBs much shorter.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

akh, im gonna hook up your post and do what i did for the landry thread yesterday.

[RedHokieSkin]

Found this short interview when he was at USC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs3mCaK0hw

Seems like a stand up guy...hard worker...organizing practices and whatnot.

[smoak]

OMG?? Its not like we need Dline help or anything. Dallas Sartz when Rufus Alexander & Tim Shaw were still on the board? I dont understand our FO sometimes.

Its easy, right or wrong, they have this guy ranked higher than the remaining DEs. Also, with MW coming back from an injury, you have to wonder if they are looking to fill the SAM spot? I haven't followed it.... Is he supposed to be ready for camp?

[Torresa]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/dallassartz.html


Strengths:
Has a good frame with long arms and could easily add some weight...Smart with great instincts...Reads and reacts quickly...Smooth and fluid in coverage...He has excellent range...A terrific motor...Still has upside...Great special teams potential.

Weaknesses:
Is undersized and needs to bulk up...He is not a great tackler...Must get stronger and be more physical...Speed is very average and he lacks a burst...Durability is a big concern...Struggles in space...He does not really like to engage with blockers.

Notes:
His father, Jeff, played safety at Oregon St...His grandfather, also named Dallas, was a Golden Gloves boxer at Washington State and a professional hydroplane racer...Could also project to safety in the pros...Missed the majority of the 2005 season with a dislocated shoulder...Nice player...A candidate for the strongside.
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Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2002 12 8 1.0 0.0 1 1
2003 13 60 6.0 2.0 4 0
2004 13 48 3.5 1.5 6 1
2005 2 8 2.5 2.0 0 0
2006 13 70 9.5 7.0 5 0
Totals 53 194 22.5 12.5 16 2

[SkinKing]

Landry will play DE in the NFL. 4.7 40 at 6'5 wont cut it in the NFL as a LB. Im on rivals so i researched both players when they come out of hs. Both Landry and Sartz were high recruits. But for some reason, rivals has Landry listed at 6'3. NFL says 6'0. Go figure

[frankez99]

I think Sartz might play DE in the NFL. Williams likes his OLBs much shorter.

Hmmm....It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had some ill-conceived idea like that......nothing like drafting a LB to convert to DE/DT when there are DE's and DT's available to draft who, here is a concept, know how to play the position already.

[smoak]

Landry will play DE in the NFL. 4.7 40 at 6'5 wont cut it in the NFL as a LB. Im on rivals so i researched both players when they come out of hs. Both Landry and Sartz were high recruits. But for some reason, rivals has Landry listed at 6'3. NFL says 6'0. Go figure

LMAO! I tell people all the time to shut up and quit worrying aboput the D-line. Problem solved. :D

[akhhorus]

Hmmm....It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had some ill-conceived idea like that......nothing like drafting a LB to convert to DE/DT when there are DE's and DT's available to draft who, here is a concept, know how to play the position already.

I agree and disagree. Sartz looks like he was made for Williams' 3-3-5 nickel defense as a pass rusher. There are some DEs out there still, and Sartz would be a project at DE, but I don't know of many DEs still out there who are as big, fast and strong as Sartz is.

[SkinKing]

LMAO! I tell people all the time to shut up and quit worrying aboput the D-line. Problem solved. :D

LOL.. Well I dont understand is alot of people had him going in the 7th round or undrafted free agent.. ARE THERE NOT ANY ATHELETES LEFT??

[frankez99]

I agree and disagree. Sartz looks like he was made for Williams' 3-3-5 nickel defense as a pass rusher. There are some DEs out there still, and Sartz would be a project at DE, but I don't know of many DEs still out there who are as big, fast and strong as Sartz is.

I can live with that assessment.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Anyone else a little concerned with the names of the picks so far? Landry... Dallas....LOL, I was just thinking the same thing. Hope this kid can contribute.

[akhhorus]

LOL.. Well I dont understand is alot of people had him going in the 7th round or undrafted free agent.. ARE THERE NOT ANY ATHELETES LEFT??

Thats not true. Sartz was always seen as a mid(4-6th) rounder.

[SkinKing]

Thats not true. Sartz was always seen as a mid(4-6th) rounder.

Not according to ESPN...

[akhhorus]

I can live with that assessment.

If you want a comparison: he's a biggest, stronger version of Chris Clemons. Who played OLB and DE in the nickel packages for Williams. And I would guess Sartz will do the same.

[shally]

Hmmm....It wouldn't surprise me at all if they had some ill-conceived idea like that......nothing like drafting a LB to convert to DE/DT when there are DE's and DT's available to draft who, here is a concept, know how to play the position already.

he is an edge rusher for 3rd down.. great size for that.. he is a specific niche player for GW and will play special teams as he is fine at that..

as much as i want DL help, this will serve a purpose. think of him as a tweener for 3rd downs.

i can live with the pick and be happy.. we are talking about round 5 anyway where there are no sure things

[danny's stogie]

Not according to ESPN...

ESPN only allows wide receivers and QBs to be rated as high as the 5th round.

[akhhorus]

Not according to ESPN...

I havent heard them comment about him yet, but in the predraft run up, ESPN.com had him listed as a late 4th.

[dj_stouty]

I agree and disagree. Sartz looks like he was made for Williams' 3-3-5 nickel defense as a pass rusher. There are some DEs out there still, and Sartz would be a project at DE, but I don't know of many DEs still out there who are as big, fast and strong as Sartz is.

The bolded part is what stands out to me the most. I'm sick of projects. I just want good football players who already know their natural position inside and out.

Whats up with the next pick? Another fullback?

[shally]

LOL.. Well I dont understand is alot of people had him going in the 7th round or undrafted free agent.. ARE THERE NOT ANY ATHELETES LEFT??

most of the services i read had him 5/6.. what is the difference ? it is all potential anyway..

[akhhorus]

The bolded part is what stands out to me the most. I'm sick of projects. I just want good football players who already know their natural position inside and out.

Whats up with the next pick? Another fullback?

And Sartz was used as a pass rusher at USC on 3rd downs. He had 7 sacks last season.

[SkinKing]

I havent heard them comment about him yet, but in the predraft run up, ESPN.com had him listed as a late 4th.

Maybe not 7th, but according to them 4th or 5th is a strech.. Either way there high on him and we had success last year with late picks. So i trust them.

*ESPN*
Sartz may not be strong enough to consistently match up at "SAM" linebacker in the NFL and he's not fast or athletic enough to play in space. However, he is a tough overachiever-type with good size. Sartz is tough against the run, he can get to the quarterback and he should be a quality special teams' contributor in the NFL. He projects as a late-round pick or a rookie free agent.

[shally]

If you want a comparison: he's a biggest, stronger version of Chris Clemons. Who played OLB and DE in the nickel packages for Williams. And I would guess Sartz will do the same.

exactly.. better version who hopefully can play the run the way clemons couldnt...
edge rusher... special teamer... eventual SLB if he develops

[shally]

The bolded part is what stands out to me the most. I'm sick of projects. I just want good football players who already know their natural position inside and out.

Whats up with the next pick? Another fullback?

he IS a football player, DJ... he has been highly productive at a top program.
what more could you want for round 5 ?

[akhhorus]

Maybe not 7th, but according to them 4th or 5th is a strech.. Either way there high on him and we had success last year with late picks. So i trust them.

*ESPN*
Sartz may not be strong enough to consistently match up at "SAM" linebacker in the NFL and he's not fast or athletic enough to play in space. However, he is a tough overachiever-type with good size. Sartz is tough against the run, he can get to the quarterback and he should be a quality special teams' contributor in the NFL. He projects as a late-round pick or a rookie free agent.

Link? Because thats the only one I saw on Sartz that said that late.

[SkinKing]

exactly.. better version who hopefully can play the run the way clemons couldnt...
edge rusher... special teamer... eventual SLB if he develops

Better? how do you know? Clemons played on pure speed. One of our fastest LB's. But what do i know. Seems like 2 different players to me.

[SkinKing]

Link? Because thats the only one I saw on Sartz that said that late.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9445

[akhhorus]

Better? how do you know? Clemons played on pure speed. One of our fastest LB's. What what do i know.

Chris Clemons ran a 4.69, Sartz ran a 4.71. You were saying something about pure speed?

[akhhorus]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9445

Don't have insider and you can't post their content here.

[SkinKing]

Chris Clemons ran a 4.69, Sartz ran a 4.71. You were saying something about pure speed?

Clemons a few years ago ran alot faster than that...

[dj_stouty]

he IS a football player, DJ... he has been highly productive at a top program.
what more could you want for round 5 ?

I'd rather draft a true DE than draft a LB-turned-DE.


And Sartz was used as a pass rusher at USC on 3rd downs. He had 7 sacks last season.


Did he have his hand in the dirt and play on the line on certain downs, or was he still lined up with the other linebackers?

[shally]

Better? how do you know? Clemons played on pure speed. One of our fastest LB's. But what do i know. Seems like 2 different players to me.

because clemons couldnt play the run to save his life.. everybody saw that

based upon his college career sartz can tackle securely.. he should become a wimp overnight

he has the same type of attributes that clemons had for a 3rd down rusher.. and he looks to be a stronger tackler.. that is the comparison

[LATrueRedskin]

After seeing him, they'll most definately get him to bulk up a bit. I like the prospect in him if we convert him to DE. I'd much rather play him on the line than at linebacker.

[SkinKing]

because clemons couldnt play the run to save his life.. everybody saw that

based upon his college career sartz can tackle securely.. he should become a wimp overnight

he has the same type of attributes that clemons had for a 3rd down rusher.. and he looks to be a stronger tackler.. that is the comparison

Gotta agree with you about playing the run..lol

[akhhorus]

Clemons a few years ago ran alot faster than that...

Supposedly ran a 4.4ish at his pro day(can't find a source for that), but he ran a 4.69 at the combine.

[shally]

I'd rather draft a true DE than draft a LB-turned-DE.



Did he have his hand in the dirt and play on the line on certain downs, or was he still lined up with the other linebackers?

i dont want to argue minutiae with you.. but the guy rushed the passer and is 6 5".. he is not going to anchor against the run at his weight, but on third downs he wont have to

he is a tweener.. upside is likely to be like tully banta cain or KGB.. and that would be fine for us

[frankez99]

After seeing him, they'll most definately get him to bulk up a bit. I like the prospect in him if we convert him to DE. I'd much rather play him on the line than at linebacker.

That was the same thing they said about Jason Taylor....so you never know!

[akhhorus]

Did he have his hand in the dirt and play on the line on certain downs, or was he still lined up with the other linebackers?

Yes, the played him as the 4-3 DE opposite Jackson, in a 3-4 as the elephant in certain nickel situations.

[shally]

After seeing him, they'll most definately get him to bulk up a bit. I like the prospect in him if we convert him to DE. I'd much rather play him on the line than at linebacker.

best part of the deal is that he is supposed to be a fine special teamer.. say goodbye to posey, thank goodness

[SkinKing]

Supposedly ran a 4.4ish at his pro day(can't find a source for that), but he ran a 4.69 at the combine.

Yea i remember the 4.4 but not the 4.69. Either way, his first 2 years he was our fastest LB. But to undersized and couldn't get off blocks.. I know this kid Sartz is a project, but he only started 1 year for USC, which wasn't a full year.

[LATrueRedskin]

That was the same thing they said about Jason Taylor....so you never know!

Indeed. I've never kept my eye on him when watching USC play, so I can't really pass judgement on him playing-wise, but if we work with him, he could be something. He seems to be a smart guy and a leader, which is important.

[dj_stouty]

Yes, the played him as the 4-3 DE opposite Jackson, in a 3-4 as the elephant in certain nickel situations.

Ok, well then I feel a little better about the pick.

[skinsfaninva]

I believe that any player taken in these rounds should not be picked apart until later down the road. Look at last years draft. Golston, I believe was projected as a 7th round pick or UFA or Marques Colston, Saints, picked in the 7th round pick.

On ESPN, they briefly mentioned how players fall to these rounds because the lack of measurables. IMHO, measurables don't always equal football skills or talent. If Sartz was productive at USC, akhhorus said that he had 7 sacks, then I think that he may be a solid pick.

I would rather have a player who did something in college than a player with "talent" or "up-side" that didn't produce in college.

[LATrueRedskin]

Ok, well then I feel a little better about the pick.

Yeah. I think the "LB" next to his name is not really telling the whole story.

[akhhorus]

Yea i remember the 4.4 but not the 4.69. Either way, his first 2 years he was our fastest LB. But to undersized and couldn't get off blocks.. I know this kid Sartz is a project, but he only started 1 year for USC, which wasn't a full year.

Ok, you don't like him, fine. Don't fabricate stuff about him. He started his entire senior(06) and junior(04) seasons. And he started 6 games in 2003. He missed most of 2005 which injuries.

[SkinKing]

Ok, you don't like him, fine. Don't fabricate stuff about him. He started his entire senior(06) and junior(04) seasons. And he started 6 games in 2003. He missed most of 2005 which injuries.

Im not fabricating anything. Yes he started his junior season, but he lost his starting job half way through. And i dont mind the pick, its a project pick. Just stating facts

[shally]

again, he was productive for a big time program.. that is fine enough to start with. the rest is going to be up to him

[shally]

Im not fabricating anything. Yes he started his junior season, but he lost his starting job half way through. And i dont mind the pick, its a project pick. Just stating facts

he didnt lose his position, he dislocated his shoulder and sat out the rest of the year to rehab it..

[SkinKing]

Im not fabricating anything. Yes he started his junior season, but he lost his starting job half way through. And i dont mind the pick, its a project pick. Just stating facts

Should a grab a link for this too???????

[skinsfan36]

i like the pick i posted a scouting report in the draft thread from my draft guide.kiper likes sartz just talked about him

[akhhorus]

Im not fabricating anything. Yes he started his junior season, but he lost his starting job half way through. And i dont mind the pick, its a project pick. Just stating facts

According to Southern Cal's own webpage:
http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sartz_dallas00.html

2004: Sartz started all of his 2004 junior season at strongside outside linebacker and did an outstanding job. Overall in 2004 while appearing in all 13 games

And he started all 13 games in 2006. He made 25 starts in his career.

[LATrueRedskin]

i like the pick i posted a scouting report in the draft thread from my draft guide.kiper likes sartz just talked about him

Kiper questioned his toughness, but he questions everybodys toughness.

[lakeskin]

Sweet a member of the "white nation", hehe.

http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2007/03/08/News/Facebook.Group.Lands.Usc.Football.Player.In.Hot.Wa ter-2764591.shtml

I would be shocked if he were able to make the succesful transition to DE.

[PA Skins Girl]

He's a HOTTIE, ladys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs3mCaK0hw

[dj_stouty]

i dont want to argue minutiae with you.. but the guy rushed the passer and is 6 5"..

Who is arguing, Shally? The vast majority of us really don't know much about him except his height/size/school/stats or what we can read on a scouting report. Its pretty hard to argue the small details let alone the big ones...

But I have every right to ask questions about the guy, or question if he would be a good fit for us, especially since I believe our D-line needs an injection of talent. I'm glad to hear from Akh that he actually played with his hand in the dirt on certain packages. But I'm certainly not going to give him thumbs up just because of the school he went to.

[skinsfaninva]

Im not fabricating anything. Yes he started his junior season, but he lost his starting job half way through. And i dont mind the pick, its a project pick. Just stating facts

Please read the first post before you make yourself look worse.

"In 2003, he shared strongside outside linebacker duties with Matt Grootengoed, starting the final six games.

With Grootengoed having graduated, Sartz started all 13 games at strongside linebacker, helping the team capture its second consecutive national title.

Primed for a banner senior year in 2005, Sartz delivered eight tackles (six solos) with a pair of sacks in the team's first two games. But he suffered a left shoulder dislocation against Arkansas and was forced to miss the rest of the season.

Sartz used a medical hardship for 2005 so he could return in 2006. The defensive captain picked up honorable mention All-Pac 10 accolades as he finished third on the team with 70 tackles (41 solos).

In 53 games at Southern California, Sartz started 34 times at strongside outside linebacker. "

[shally]

Sweet a member of the "white nation", hehe.

http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2007/03/08/News/Facebook.Group.Lands.Usc.Football.Player.In.Hot.Wa ter-2764591.shtml

I would be shocked if he were able to make the succesful transition to DE.

expect him to have one hell of a rookie indoctrination experience

[jaylen]

Do we scout the smaller schools or is Kiper our source for draft info. I'd rather have some star from a small school a black college or d2 or d3.

[skinsfaninva]

As far as the possiblity of him being moved to DE, he does have a good track record for getting to the quarterback: He led the team with seven sacks.

I know that this may not have been for a "down" position but still to lead USC in sacks, it is saying something about is rush ability.

[whitskins]

If he moves to DE then that's nice. If he stays at LB, then he fills a need there as well. Gibbs said we were looking at depth at LB and we do need it.

Don't get too comfortable with our LB depth just because Lemar Marshall has moved to the bench. Rocky has had a couple minor knee operations in two years. Marcus had major hip surgery. That's a real big deal. And Marshall just looked spent last year.

We need a pure pass rusher but we also need another LB to groom in case we get snakebitten there. We really don't want to have to force Kherry Campbell on the field. I like this pick.

[X-Factor13]

We still have two picks left right? Are we ever going to fill the need at gaurd? What about DL? This guy looks versatile, but it's an ambitious project to turn him into a DE.

[shally]

Who is arguing, Shally? The vast majority of us really don't know much about him except his height/size/school/stats or what we can read on a scouting report. Its pretty hard to argue the small details let alone the big ones...

But I have every right to ask questions about the guy, or question if he would be a good fit for us, especially since I believe our D-line needs an injection of talent. I'm glad to hear from Akh that he actually played with his hand in the dirt on certain packages. But I'm certainly not going to give him thumbs up just because of the school he went to.

no problem.. he just seemed to fit the type of defense that GW uses where he blitzes people for all angles and positions.
plus, the guy isnt afraid to cover someone

so for a 5th rounder i have no problems with the pick.. i have given up on gibbs taking any d linemen this year because he said as much yesterday

we are going to live or die withthe quaility of the back 7's performance week in and week out and this pick looks to fill a specific need in that area..

just trying to not lapse into negativity as i was yesterday..
:lol1:

[akhhorus]

We still have two picks left right? Are we ever going to fill the need at gaurd? What about DL? This guy looks versatile, but it's an ambitious project to turn him into a DE.

3. 2 in the 6th and a 7th.

[LATrueRedskin]

Do we scout the smaller schools or is Kiper our source for draft info. I'd rather have some star from a small school a black college or d2 or d3.

DIII? DII is cutting it close, but I don't think any DIII player is capable of playing in the NFL. It's mostly DI or DI-A. That being said, I'm with you in that we definately need to take a look at the lesser divisions of college football.

[akhhorus]

DIII? DII is cutting it close, but I don't think any DIII player is capable of playing in the NFL. It's mostly DI or DI-A. That being said, I'm with you in that we definately need to take a look at the lesser divisions of college football.

I just would like players who can play, no matter what school they went to. A big time producer at a big time program(sartz) is as good as some small school physical project.

[X-Factor13]

As far as the possiblity of him being moved to DE, he does have a good track record for getting to the quarterback: He led the team with seven sacks.

I know that this may not have been for a "down" position but still to lead USC in sacks, it is saying something about is rush ability.



And I think that is what speaks most to the coaching staff. I think that they're trying to address the need of a pass rush, just doing it their way.

[shally]

Do we scout the smaller schools or is Kiper our source for draft info. I'd rather have some star from a small school a black college or d2 or d3.

not me.. give me a guy who proved he could start for one of the top 2 or 3 programs in the country, year in and year out.

you cannot convince me that the competition isnt light years harder at usc than some small school.. that is why schools like usc put more players into the pros year in and year out

that said, a small school star can become an nfl star for certain.. but the odds are better coming from usc than d2 or d3

[shally]

We still have two picks left right? Are we ever going to fill the need at gaurd? What about DL? This guy looks versatile, but it's an ambitious project to turn him into a DE.
3 picks.. 2 in round 6 and 1 in round 7

[X-Factor13]

DIII? DII is cutting it close, but I don't think any DIII player is capable of playing in the NFL. It's mostly DI or DI-A. That being said, I'm with you in that we definately need to take a look at the lesser divisions of college football.


What about that returner for the texans? He went to Hampton and made the pro bowl as a rookie

[whitskins]

We still have two picks left right? Are we ever going to fill the need at gaurd? What about DL? This guy looks versatile, but it's an ambitious project to turn him into a DE.

I don't think we're going to take any OLs. We wouldn't take anybody in round six who could compete for the starting job at LG, and we have loaded up on depth guys this offseason and in last year's draft, a rookie OG probably wouldn't make the team this year.

I think we should just go with Wade at LG this year and then take a future starter on the first day next year.

[akhhorus]

What about that returner for the texans? He went to Hampton and made the pro bowl as a rookie

Yeah, but for every Jerome Mathis, there's 500 Larry Brackins.

[LATrueRedskin]

I just would like players who can play, no matter what school they went to. A big time producer at a big time program(sartz) is as good as some small school physical project.

Oh, I'm with you. There's a reason guys like Sartz went to USC. But just as we bring in guys like Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn for interviews (fully knowing we weren't going to draft them), we need to cover all corners and leave no stone left unturned. I'm not saying invest a ton of resources into DI-A, but it would be smart to keep our eye on the stars of lesser divisions.

[shally]

I don't think we're going to take any OLs. We wouldn't take anybody in round six who could compete for the starting job at LG, and we have loaded up on depth guys this offseason and in last year's draft, a rookie OG probably wouldn't make the team this year.

I think we should just go with Wade at LG this year and then take a future starter on the first day next year.

lofutu.. after he tears up nfl europa...
:rolleyes:

[OCSkinzFan]

DIII? DII is cutting it close, but I don't think any DIII player is capable of playing in the NFL. It's mostly DI or DI-A. That being said, I'm with you in that we definately need to take a look at the lesser divisions of college football.
There are DIII players in the HOF.

[akhhorus]

There are DIII players in the HOF.

And more D-IA ones there.

[bgforever]

Oh, I'm with you. There's a reason guys like Sartz went to USC. But just as we bring in guys like Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn for interviews (fully knowing we weren't going to draft them), we need to cover all corners and leave no stone left unturned. I'm not saying invest a ton of resources into DI-A, but it would be smart to keep our eye on the stars of lesser divisions.


Truth was, this draft was as impressive as touted, so DEPTH wise its good to very good. The first 10-15 slots can have some sure starters, 16-25 maybes. after that in round 1, take your chances.

I like the pick of a resemblance of the "Stork" Ted Hendricks and Rich Milot, a steady Core Real Redskins player that showed up big and got three pinkie rings to show for it. He wasn't a Pro Bowler, he was a Pro Baller. Accalodes were TEAM accomplishments and this guy's got the spoken word about his game being the same. Well we'll see what he can do over the next few years, won't we. OLB with speed, TRACK and good athletics, means we got a real warrior. Kudos on this one Gregg Williams :D

[MikeBass]

As far as the possiblity of him being moved to DE, he does have a good track record for getting to the quarterback: He led the team with seven sacks.

I know that this may not have been for a "down" position but still to lead USC in sacks, it is saying something about is rush ability.

I think that he will be a good backup LB and special team player and will get to the QB but he will not be a DE. He weighs only 235 lbs, in the NFL you would have to put 30 lbs on him before he would to be a small DE.

I like the pick

[OCSkinzFan]

We still have two picks left right? Are we ever going to fill the need at gaurd? What about DL? This guy looks versatile, but it's an ambitious project to turn him into a DE.
Hey, how about a running back from a Collage in Canada!

[shally]

Truth was, this draft was as impressive as touted, so DEPTH wise its good to very good. The first 10-15 slots can have some sure starters, 16-25 maybes. after that in round 1, take your chances.

I like the pick of a resemblance of the "Stork" Ted Hendricks and Rich Milot, a steady Core Real Redskins player that showed up big and got three pinkie rings to show for it. He wasn't a Pro Bowler, he was a Pro Baller. Accalodes were TEAM accomplishments and this guy's got the spoken word about his game being the same. Well we'll see what he can do over the next few years, won't we. OLB with speed, TRACK and good athletics, means we got a real warrior. Kudos on this one Gregg Williams :D

hendricks was about 6 7" in an era when the players werent that big..he was a converted DE
and not exactly a weightroon fanatic.. not sure how he would fare these days

milot was a proto typical penn state linebacker.. that might be the more apt comparison

[bgforever]

Hey, how about a running back from a Collage in Canada!

:banghead:

[OCSkinzFan]

And more D-IA ones there.
Are you sure? Do you have a link?

I thought they only let in guys from UMES named Art Shell.

[jaylen]

not me.. give me a guy who proved he could start for one of the top 2 or 3 programs in the country, year in and year out.

you cannot convince me that the competition isnt light years harder at usc than some small school.. that is why schools like usc put more players into the pros year in and year out

that said, a small school star can become an nfl star for certain.. but the odds are better coming from usc than d2 or d3

Howard university a school, in our own backyard has put 2 starters in he NFL the last 2 seasons.

They have another kid Pope who runs 4.29 at corner there as well, a good player who got hurt mid way through his senior season. Why not take a guy like that late.

I have real questions about some big school kid who falls late in the draft because he's had all the advantages of being known and on tv and yet still receives a low draft grade tells me he can't play most likely especially if he started most of his college career yet is still graded low.

I'm okay reaching for guys from big schools late if they didn't get to play all that much because some schools are so stacked that great players Parade all americans are hiding in the rotation`never given a chance to play because of coaching conflicts or just not given the shot.

Parker kid with the Steelers, Terrell Davis guys who were studs just not given the chance.

But some starter who was on ABC every week yet is graded low doesn't impresss me.

The small school guys are stars on their teams, they're hungry, and are guys sometimes who the bigger schools wanted but couldn't fit in.

[akhhorus]

Parker kid with the Steelers, Terrell Davis guys who were studs just not given the chance.

But some starter who was on ABC every week yet is graded low doesn't impresss me.

The small school guys are stars on their teams, they're hungry, and are guys sometimes who the bigger schools wanted but couldn't fit in.

Willie Parker went to UNC(and didn't play) and Davis went to Georgia(he did go to Long Beach State for a couple years). Not exactly examples of small school guys for you to bring up.

[jaylen]

Willie Parker went to UNC(and didn't play) and Davis went to Georgia(he did go to Long Beach State for a couple years). Not exactly examples of small school guys for you to bring up.

I guess you didn't see the part where I said that I'm okay with Big school guys who didn't get to play all that much because they're hidden gems in my mind. Thats what I said in the post.

I mentioned the Howard U guys Bethea and Bartell as examples of the small school stars.

[shally]

Howard university a school, in our own backyard has put 2 starters in he NFL the last 2 seasons.

They have another kid Pope who runs 4.29 at corner there as well, a good player who got hurt mid way through his senior season. Why not take a guy like that late.

I have real questions about some big school kid who falls late in the draft because he's had all the advantages of being known and on tv and yet still receives a low draft grade tells me he can't play most likely especially if he started most of his college career yet is still graded low.

I'm okay reaching for guys from big schools late if they didn't get to play all that much because some schools are so stacked that great players Parade all americans are hiding in the rotation`never given a chance to play because of coaching conflicts or just not given the shot.

Parker kid with the Steelers, Terrell Davis guys who were studs just not given the chance.

But some starter who was on ABC every week yet is graded low doesn't impresss me.

The small school guys are stars on their teams, they're hungry, and are guys sometimes who the bigger schools wanted but couldn't fit in.

nope.. guys are playing at smaller schools for a variety of reasons.. some of which is that they are simply not good enough to make it at a big school..

for every walter payton there are dozens who go no further. it is a specious argument to say that because jerry rice and payton came from small schools, that is where we should look preferentially. that is exactly what got beathard cooked in san diego. he became a captive to his own success at finding smaller school unknowns

talent and desire are individual qualities and there are players who come out of howard or southern who become solid pros.. but far more come out of the sec schools

just because kenny anderson came out of augustana and phil simms came out of moorhouse does not mean we should look there for our next qb when the time comes

you cannot argue with numbers and that is why the nfl is mostly composed of larger school players

[LATrueRedskin]

There are DIII players in the HOF.

True, but that was in a different era. This is an era of higher media exposure and much more aggressive recruiting. Players are getting more noticed from schools.

[akhhorus]

I guess you didn't see the part where I said that I'm okay with Big school guys who didn't get to play all that much because they're hidden gems in my mind. Thats what I said in the post.

I mentioned the Howard U guys Bethea and Bartell as examples of the small school stars.

And neither one is doing much in the pros. Bartell keeps changing position.

[OCSkinzFan]

I think that he will be a good backup LB and special team player and will get to the QB but he will not be a DE. He weighs only 235 lbs, in the NFL you would have to put 30 lbs on him before he would to be a small DE.

I like the pick
You don't mean small, you mean light.

Jason Taylor is 255 on a heavy day. And the Skins have a DE On the roster that weighs 240.

[bgforever]

Howard university a school, in our own backyard has put 2 starters in he NFL the last 2 seasons.

They have another kid Pope who runs 4.29 at corner there as well, a good player who got hurt mid way through his senior season. Why not take a guy like that late.

I have real questions about some big school kid who falls late in the draft because he's had all the advantages of being known and on tv and yet still receives a low draft grade tells me he can't play most likely especially if he started most of his college career yet is still graded low.

I'm okay reaching for guys from big schools late if they didn't get to play all that much because some schools are so stacked that great players Parade all americans are hiding in the rotation`never given a chance to play because of coaching conflicts or just not given the shot.

Parker kid with the Steelers, Terrell Davis guys who were studs just not given the chance.

But some starter who was on ABC every week yet is graded low doesn't impresss me.

The small school guys are stars on their teams, they're hungry, and are guys sometimes who the bigger schools wanted but couldn't fit in.

Worth a sign and look, if not picked!!! My nephews who are college players, hipped me to him! Says he got game.

I agree about players on BIG NAME TEAM rosters, with lots of playing time, but real low (late 6 to none in peckig order).

[OCSkinzFan]

True, but that was in a different era. This is an era of higher media exposure and much more aggressive recruiting. Players are getting more noticed from schools.
Good Point.

[jaylen]

nope.. guys are playing at smaller schools for a variety of reasons.. some of which is that they are simply not good enough to make it at a big school..

for every walter payton there are dozens who go no further. it is a specious argument to say that because jerry rice and payton came from small schools, that is where we should look preferentially. that is exactly what got beathard cooked in san diego. he became a captive to his own success at finding smaller school unknowns

talent and desire are individual qualities and there are players who come out of howard or southern who become solid pros.. but far more come out of the sec schools

just because kenny anderson came out of augustana and phil simms came out of moorhouse does not mean we should look there for our next qb when the time comes

you cannot argue with numbers and that is why the nfl is mostly composed of larger school players


I'm not debating small school big school in general I played major college basketball I get what it means and what its all about going to a big school.

I'm talking LATE in the DRAFT where you have to find hidden gems, steals and surprises thats where the great players from small schools can be a huge factor.

if you were some lb at USC and you started 25 games and the scouts STILL don't think much of you thats not someone I think is gonna be any to good in the league when he's had all the advantages of going to the big school.

[MikeBass]

You don't mean small, you mean light.

Jason Taylor is 255 on a heavy day. And the Skins have a DE On the roster that weighs 240.

Yes light, we are going for LB depth now. We just picked another one H.B. Blades.

Gibbs is following his plan

[jaylen]

And neither one is doing much in the pros. Bartell keeps changing position.

Bethea started in the Super Bowl and Bartell was a starter. I don't know how thats not doing much.

[lavarsamonster]

Dallas Sartz is a fart

[akhhorus]

Bethea started in the Super Bowl and Bartell was a starter. I don't know how thats not doing much.

Bartell made 1 start in 2006. Bethea played more, but he's not superior talent at all.

[OCSkinzFan]

Yes light, we are going for LB depth now. We just picked another one H.B. Blades.

Gibbs is following his plan
Yea, he actually said he would be looking at LB depth yesterday in an interview on Redskins.com.

I started a thread about the comment in the Draft Forum.

[jaylen]

Bartell made 1 start in 2006. Bethea played more, but he's not superior talent at all.

I dispute that completely. They are young players so who knows how good they can be. But starting in the NFL coming from HU means alot when alot of the big school studs couldn't beat them out.

I can name other small school guys if you like.

[akhhorus]

I dispute that completely. They are young players so who knows how good they can be. But starting in the NFL coming from HU means alot when alot of the big school studs couldn't beat them out.

Except that a big school guy in Atogwe is beating out Bartell for the FS job.

I can name other small school guys if you like.

And for every one I can name a bunch of small school guys who did nothing.

[Brokenstriker]

Chris Clemons ran a 4.69, Sartz ran a 4.71. You were saying something about pure speed?

Getting out of the LA smog should trim 0.02s at a minimum off his 40 time.

[BurgundyNGold]

Two LBs. If we're lucky, they might nab a 3rd. Or another S to go with Taylor, Landry, Stoutmire, Prioleau and Doughty. Good grief.

[bgforever]

Getting out of the LA smog should trim 0.02s at a minimum off his 40 time.

I need to move where there's less smog, so that means I can trim off 5 seconds getting to work on time :D

[colkurtz]

Any 5th rounder who makes it onto the field for anything beyond Special Teams is a plus.

235 lbs. Can anyone tell me how he is going to be a converted DE?

[BurgundyNGold]

Any 5th rounder who makes it onto the field for anything beyond Special Teams is a plus.

235 lbs. Can anyone tell me how he is going to be a converted DE?
He has a frame that's large enough to add 30 pounds or so. At 6'5, 265 he would be able to play DE. At least on passing downs.

[Redskin006]

Any 5th rounder who makes it onto the field for anything beyond Special Teams is a plus.

235 lbs. Can anyone tell me how he is going to be a converted DE?

he'll just be used as a pass rushing lb. kinda like clemons was for us before his injury.

[MikeBass]

he'll just be used as a pass rushing lb. kinda like clemons was for us before his injury.

I agree, foxsports has him listed as S/LB so i do not think that he will play DE anytime soon

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6752776


143. Washington — Dallas Sartz, S/LB USC: He's not the tweener he's being made out to be. He has the speed to become a heck of an NFL safety, but he'll likely start out as an outside linebacker on the strongside even though he's not the surest tackler around. Basically, he's an interesting prospect who needs to find a spot.

[santanadasavior]

Solid pick, I am really impressed with our day two. I'm not sold on Landry yet but I really don't know about his coverage skills either. The thing that stands out to me is 6 blocked kicks this year. I don't think teams get that. He will most likely be a standout on our already stout special teams.

[smoak]

And Sartz was used as a pass rusher at USC on 3rd downs. He had 7 sacks last season.

Oh Akh.... There you go again... Arguing with facts. Shame on you! Now go light a torch and get a pitchfork. We're headed to Ashburn.

[LASkin]

He has a frame that's large enough to add 30 pounds or so. At 6'5, 265 he would be able to play DE. At least on passing downs.
This is a repeat of things I said on the "official draft thread", but here goes. I watched every USC game in which Sartz played. He was a Carroll favorite, and started whenever he was healthy - there were a lot of games when he was in for spot duty while nursing his bad shoulder. The guy has some assets. Underplayed in this thread is his ability to play the pass - he was a converted SS, and plays like it. He made some big interceptions at USC, even if there weren't a lot of them. He was a good outside blitzer - not as a DE, but using surprise to rush the QB (Carroll's style, like William's, is to blitz everyone at some time or another). His best games were the big games, which means he has upside.

HOWEVER, don't expect that he will make a DE. I would be a year's income that he never becomes a DE. His biggest problem is that he's not that strong - especially for a guy his size. Either he's never loved the weight room or it doesn't work for him. At USC, he was infamous for getting to right place to stop the run and getting run over by the blocker. He showed zero ability to do what a DE does. He doesn't play the run well, and he doesn't have the strength to play on the line.

What he does best is play the pass and blitz. His sacks came on blitzes from the LB position - where he shows suddenness and quicks. Williams may be able to use him, we'll know soon enough.

As for his rating, most services (I read a lot of them) had him in the 5th round plus or minus one. That's realistic thing for him IMO. It means that he is no sure thing but he has a chance to make the roster and contribute in a year or two.

[Battle Cat]

There are DIII players in the HOF.
Greatest WR ever Jerry Rice Mississippi Valley State. Walter Payton Division II school. Larry Allen best guard in last 20 years Sonoma State - Division III. Robert Mathis double digit sack guy for Colts Alabama A&M University. Nate Newton - Division III school. Doug Williams - Redskin great Grambling State University. Osi Umenyora - Troy State University. Demarcus Ware - Troy State University.... Just to name a couple of good players not from Division I.

[redskin_rich]

I agree, foxsports has him listed as S/LB so i do not think that he will play DE anytime soon

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6752776
Man, FOXsports seems to be off on everything I have read from them. A 6'5" Safety with 4.7 speed? No way! He will be a pass rushing specialist like Clemons was and a special teamer. If he sticks, he will most likely be the backup to Washington at the Sam, in a year or two.

[Emmanouel8]

Can anyone tell me how he is going to be a converted DE?

Pizza diet?

I don't know about this one. I see a Brandon Noble at DE at best. Putting on extra weight affects people differently. If he's running in the 4.7's now he'll be running much slower lugging an extra 20-30 lbs around. Who knows?!

[redskin_rich]

Pizza diet?

I don't know about this one. I see a Brandon Noble at DE at best. Putting on extra weight affects people differently. If he's running in the 4.7's now he'll be running much slower lugging an extra 20-30 lbs around. Who knows?!
A 6'5" frame can easily carry another 20-30 lbs without losing much speed, as long as he gains the weight in muscle. At 235, he must be a stick right now. He will be exposed to the best in training routines and diet now and it shouldn't be any problem for him to bulk up, while maintaining his athleticism.

[LASkin]

A 6'5" frame can easily carry another 20-30 lbs without losing much speed, as long as he gains the weight in muscle. At 235, he must be a stick right now. He will be exposed to the best in training routines and diet now and it shouldn't be any problem for him to bulk up, while maintaining his athleticism.
USC has a great trainer and excellent facilities, and many USC players are incredibly cut. Yet, Sartz didn't put on much muscle in 4 years here. Not everyone can bulk up successfully. In addition, he has a bad shoulder, which limits what you can do/want to do with the upper body.

He also doesn't have the mentality of a lineman. He's really more of a finesse player - he's never been very good at combat at the point of attack.

If you try to make him a DE, you'll try to make him what he's not, and lose what makes him potentially good. For better or worse, he's a LB who can play either Sam or Will. That's not so bad - it's more versatile than a lot of LB's.

[redskin_rich]

USC has a great trainer and excellent facilities, and many USC players are incredibly cut. Yet, Sartz didn't put on much muscle in 4 years here. Not everyone can bulk up successfully. In addition, he has a bad shoulder, which limits what you can do/want to do with the upper body.

He also doesn't have the mentality of a lineman. He's really more of a finesse player - he's never been very good at combat at the point of attack.

If you try to make him a DE, you'll try to make him what he's not, and lose what makes him potentially good. For better or worse, he's a LB who can play either Sam or Will. That's not so bad - it's more versatile than a lot of LB's.
Actually, I don't think he will be converted to DE but I think he will be used as a situational pass rusher, like Clemons was, at first and be a special teamer. He will have to bulk up some to be an eventual backup at Sam and I don't think that will be a problem.

Bad shoulder? That's not good at all. Are we talking one injury or recurring?

[Emmanouel8]

A 6'5" frame can easily carry another 20-30 lbs without losing much speed, as long as he gains the weight in muscle. At 235, he must be a stick right now. He will be exposed to the best in training routines and diet now and it shouldn't be any problem for him to bulk up, while maintaining his athleticism.

I'm not really buying that. It's not easy putting on 20-30 lbs of pure muscle unless your flat out juicing. He's been working out with an elite colege program, so I find it hard to believe that we can provide him with anything more than he's been recieving. He may put on 5-10 lbs a season at best.

I agree there are ways to add weight without hurting raw measurables but adding weight will affect anyone's, especially in the range we're talking about. In addition it sounds like he's got a "stiff frame" which IMO says he may have more trouble changing directions as he gains weight. We'll see.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not really buying that. It's not easy putting on 20-30 lbs of pure muscle unless your flat out juicing. He's been working out with an elite colege program, so I find it hard to believe that we can provide him with anything more than he's been recieving. He may put on 5-10 lbs a season at best.

I agree there are ways to add weight without hurting raw measurables but adding weight will affect anyone's, especially in the range we're talking about. In addition it sounds like he's got a "stiff frame" which IMO says he may have more trouble changing directions as he gains weight. We'll see.
Well, elite program or not, he will now be doing it for a living, against the big boys that are earning a living. We should know pretty quickly whether he can adapt or not. He is built like a QB right now and that won't hold up as a Linebacker.

[LASkin]

Actually, I don't think he will be converted to DE but I think he will be used as a situational pass rusher, like Clemons was, at first and be a special teamer. He will have to bulk up some to be an eventual backup at Sam and I don't think that will be a problem.

Bad shoulder? That's not good at all. Are we talking one injury or recurring?
He had shoulder surgery prior in either 2004 or 2005 - can't remember which. Colleges don't have to tell the truth about injuries, and USC generally doesn't tell anyone anything about injuries unless they have to. So, who knows. I'm sure he got checked out as well as possible at the combine, but shoulders are tricky and hard to diagnose without MRIs, etc. I am moderately concerned about it.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I agree and disagree. Sartz looks like he was made for Williams' 3-3-5 nickel defense as a pass rusher. There are some DEs out there still, and Sartz would be a project at DE, but I don't know of many DEs still out there who are as big, fast and strong as Sartz is.
I don't think Sartz is that strong. I actually think his strength is one of his weaknessess. It says he bench pressed 225 only 16 times. That is not that much. Regardless of which position he palys, he needs to bulk up and add at least 10-15lbs.

[S.Taylor36]

SI.com has Sartz as the #5 steal of the draft

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.draft.steals/content.5.html

[LASkin]

SI.com has Sartz as the #5 steal of the draft

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.draft.steals/content.5.html
As a long-time Trojan watcher, nothing would make me happier. He may be a good fit for a GW defense. I'm not convinced, however, and I certainly don't think he was a steal - he was picked about where projected before the draft. I hope he spends a lot of time in the weight room in the next 5 months.

[whitskins]

I agree with Rich that this guy sounds like a Chris Clemons clone. I hope he can have an immediate impact in our third down pass rushing package.

I also read that the Patriots were looking to take him in the fifth round. That's gotta count for something, right? :)

[openallnight]

If you want a comparison: he's a biggest, stronger version of Chris Clemons. Who played OLB and DE in the nickel packages for Williams. And I would guess Sartz will do the same.
Actually, I think he's a little slower and a little weaker than Clemons. His best shot at making the team will probably be on teams.

[oldskinfan]

Found this short interview when he was at USC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avs3mCaK0hw

Seems like a stand up guy...hard worker...organizing practices and whatnot.

So what the heck show was this? You know he's thinking "yeah, I'd nail her" (the interviewer)

[bgforever]

I agree with Rich that this guy sounds like a Chris Clemons clone. I hope he can have an immediate impact in our third down pass rushing package.

I also read that the Patriots were looking to take him in the fifth round. That's gotta count for something, right? :)


It does, just the same as any WR they considered with the Colts, in the first round.

[Redskin4Life]

Any chance he'll bulk up and play DE??

[PA Skins Girl]

I agree with Rich that this guy sounds like a Chris Clemons clone. I hope he can have an immediate impact in our third down pass rushing package.

I also read that the Patriots were looking to take him in the fifth round. That's gotta count for something, right? :)
If the Patriots had taken him, it would be heralded as the most genious picks in the history of the draft.

[Return of 202/301]

If the Patriots had taken him, it would be heralded as the most genious picks in the history of the draft.
:lol1: Right!!!

But for real I really don't see a need for a pass rushing linebacker when an end is a HUGE need. But I seriously I am not in the draft room and for real at our position in the later rounds I didn't like the ends left so I am definatly looking forward to June 1st

[skins111111]

looks like another project that could lead to quality debth

[ChiefPowhatan17]

If the Patriots had taken him, it would be heralded as the most genious picks in the history of the draft.

This is so true. I think he will make the team and surprise some people. It is time we upgraded our depth at linebacker anyways. We need youth around the board. All those slots taken up by old vets, Holdman, Posey, and so on are gone, but will Khary Campbell be able to hold onto his job?

[Brokenstriker]

This is a repeat of things I said on the "official draft thread", but here goes. I watched every USC game in which Sartz played. He was a Carroll favorite, and started whenever he was healthy - there were a lot of games when he was in for spot duty while nursing his bad shoulder. The guy has some assets. Underplayed in this thread is his ability to play the pass - he was a converted SS, and plays like it. He made some big interceptions at USC, even if there weren't a lot of them. He was a good outside blitzer - not as a DE, but using surprise to rush the QB (Carroll's style, like William's, is to blitz everyone at some time or another). His best games were the big games, which means he has upside.

HOWEVER, don't expect that he will make a DE. I would be a year's income that he never becomes a DE. His biggest problem is that he's not that strong - especially for a guy his size. Either he's never loved the weight room or it doesn't work for him. At USC, he was infamous for getting to right place to stop the run and getting run over by the blocker. He showed zero ability to do what a DE does. He doesn't play the run well, and he doesn't have the strength to play on the line.

What he does best is play the pass and blitz. His sacks came on blitzes from the LB position - where he shows suddenness and quicks. Williams may be able to use him, we'll know soon enough.

As for his rating, most services (I read a lot of them) had him in the 5th round plus or minus one. That's realistic thing for him IMO. It means that he is no sure thing but he has a chance to make the roster and contribute in a year or two.

converted safety ... linebacker ... maybe he's got Pierce potential