Grade the Redskins Draft

[BurgundyNGold]

Grade the Redskins Draft:

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[HAWGZHEAD]

I like the Landry and Blades picks and the others I will have to see pan out. I give an enthusiastic meh...

[danny's stogie]

D if you count the lost picks.

Solid B if you only count the picks they had. Really like the second day. I like Landry, but can't get excited about him.

Split the difference at a C.

[CarMike]

Meh. We'll see down the road.

[redskin_rich]

D- but I was really tempted to go with the F option. The wasted 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks have to factor in and unless Rocky and Lloyd have decent seasons this year, those were disastrous trades. No need to mention the 3rd pick.

[skinsfan36]

i love the landry and blades. i like the sartz pick. now palmer was a waste of a pick could of just signed someone but it spells the end of collins most likely. we needed a blocking tight end and i would rather have pudewll from nevada or patrick who was picked right before. we didnt get any dlinemen though!

[skinfanjon]

Gotta go with a D. The line said: not good, not very good at all. That about sums it up for me. I just dont see us getting a big tme contribution from this group, but we were hamstrung by our lack of picks.

Actually, I would like to change to a C, because at least they didn't mess with next years picks.

[ObiWan1278]

I give the draft a D and thats only cause i can't ever just fail the redskins. And I am going to love Landry. But with that said the skins had needs and nothing was met. The skins need DE...DL and skins have nothing.

I think the skins needed to find a way into the second round where there was some good talent at G or DE or DT and of all the years to mortgage next years future for a pick I think they should have considered doing so with Allen Branch.

I hope Palmer never has to see the field and that Cambell is the man here for the skins.

Is Rocky that bad? They draft 2 LB's and went hard for Briggs. One has to wonder just how unhappy the skins front office is with our LB core.

[CNYSkinFan]

I went with D on the picks alone not counting in the wasted picks. Landry may be good but we did not address any real need in the draft at all. We needed DL, possibly OG, amd backup TE. We got someone oin the 7th but missed on a great opportunity at Patrick twice in the 6th.

We shall see but immediately I am not happy with the draft.

[Lavar703]

Ill have to go with a C

[MPCSkins]

C because of all the lost mid round picks and 0 d-linemen but I do like Landry and Blades and hope that everyone else works out well too.

[flave1969]

I have watched us bring in Baker at LB and resist giving up on Rocky or Lemar to bring in Briggs, so I assumed we were more or less settled at LB.

We have brought back Smoot and Stoutmire and picked up Macklin so we certainly are improved as a Unit in the secondary.

That leaves a defensive line that has recorded 48 sacks in a combined 303 games as Redskin players and we ignored helping it in FA. That left us the draft to help the unit in dire need of help.

I would have personally picked at least 2 defensive lineman with our 1st and 5th round picks. We would then have at least increased our squad at the position and also brought down the age of the unit which has four players 30 and older. The fact that we failed to address the line both in FA and more importantly the draft allows me to give no better than a D.

The chickens have come home to roost Redskin fans and I have set my expectation bar very low for our D this year.

Very dissapointed.

[dj_stouty]

D

I thought we should have gone a different direction at 1.06.

We wiffed on the 5th rounder. Too much of a project pick.

I really like the Blades pick.

The QB pick is laugable, especially when Ben Patrick was available.

The TE in the 7th was a consolation prize to Ben Patrick. No thanks.

[LATrueRedskin]

C - Meh.

IMO, this was just a draft to have to suffer through to wipe the slate clean from past mistakes. Not having 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder really made this a bad draft. I don't mind the draft choices (Landry's a good player, Sartz and Blades are promising, and Palmer was almost a necessity), but we could have really improved our depth with more first day picks.

The good thing is we now have all of our draft picks for 2008. Time will tell, though, if we keep them.

[skinsfaninva]

Going on just the picks we had, I would give it a B- or C.

1. Landry by most accounts was the best defensive player in the draft.

2. Sartz - solid career at USC with 7 sacks last year. Not a DE but LB depth who can rush the QB

3. Blades - Solid pick. Remember Zach Thomas was short and a little slow when he came out. He turned out great. I think Blades has the same potential.

4. Palmer - Young QB to groom into a backup. Brunell is old, nobody other than their family and friends wants to see Collins or Bramlett on the field.

5. Ecker - Looking at his size, he seems to be a blocker more than a pass catcher. Gibbs loves to have a TE that is solely a blocker. Maybe we won't need to bring Kozlowski back ever!!

D-line seemed to be an area of need, but really GW's defense does not emphasize pressure from the D-line. Pressure is brought by blitzes. (Landry, Sartz). The D-line is more used to occupy blockers so that the LBs and safeties can make plays.

O-line was also thought to be an area of need, depth wise. But do you remember last year? We had some solid young prospects and we let them go, so I would suspect the same would have happened if we had drafted anyone late in the draft.

Most won't like this draft, but I think that it will turn out solid.

[BurgundyNGold]

I voted a C and that is solely because of Landry. If you include just the second day picks, I'm unimpressed. Opportunities lost, as per usual. The Blades kid might be something, though. If you include the picks given away in rounds 2-4 then I'ld have to say we're talking D or F terroritory. Hopefully next year we'll have our full complement of draft picks for me to lament about.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

If you ignore the traded draft choices I would give it a C but I gave it a lukewarm D meh.

Landry was the best value at #1 considering there were no trade down partners.

Dallas Sartz - not really sure why he was chosen.
HB Blades - solid pick, someone to groom behind Fletcher
Jordan Palmer - could have been drafted later IMO
Tyler Ecker - much better options for a backup TE.

Joe Newton was a productive college TE, a big red zone target and a decent blocker. I simply don't get why Ecker was drafted over him.

That said I'm not going to get too worked up over day 2 picks. Most will be lucky to make the team.

While I really disliked not having our 2-4 rounders at least we "took our medicine" this year and didn't overpay for players using next year's picks, for a change.

[wave6ten]

I love Landry as a player... but who is going to be Responsible in our secondary...Blades I also like....BUT given our past drafts with all the LBs...how many have helped us in the least bit...Roucky may come around , but all in all plenty of wasted picks....B.Patrick going 1 pick ahead of Ecker solidified it for me.

[frankez99]

We shouldn't suffer like this in next years draft.....unless we trade away more picks in some more absolutely puzzling acquisitions i.e. Duckett and Lloyd.

I feel very unsatisfied. I would have given them a "C" if they would have taken a flier on a late round DE or DT (for depth if nothing else)....but nope....like a midget at a urinal, I am unrelieved and standing with wet legs.

Grade: D :banghead:

[OCSkinzFan]

I grade this draft as ironic, humorous, and typical.

[Keino]

I went with D on the picks alone not counting in the wasted picks. Landry may be good but we did not address any real need in the draft at all. We needed DL, possibly OG, amd backup TE. We got someone oin the 7th but missed on a great opportunity at Patrick twice in the 6th.

We shall see but immediately I am not happy with the draft.


Agreed.

I think it is almost criminal that there wasn't a single pick devoted to the defensive line. The message being sent is that they are confident in what we have at the position. Are they watching the same games as me? I have no doubts Landry is going to be a heck of a player, but we needed an infusion of young talent at Defensive line.

I kind of wish we did the Briggs trade. Briggs and Branch would've at least meant they addressed the position.

[shally]

Grade the Redskins Draft:

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C

a fine starter in landry
spot player in sartz
eventual starter in blades
the others are goners

[whitskins]

Lost picks killed us from addressing every need, but I think the picks we did make will all make the team. I'd give it a C overall. But LB depth looks real nice now, we have a potential long term backup QB, and a blocking TE prospect from a big time program. And a safety who should be a perennial Pro Bowler by most accounts.

GW's defensive lines have never rushed the passer well, but the overall units have defended the pass, blitzed, and tackled very well in our top ten seasons. I think we're gonna get back to that with the talent we have added throughout the back seven.

I think the defense now has the talent to be middle of the pack. To be anything better we need Carter to put together 16 games like his last 5 from last year. We need Golston to keep improving and settle in as a solid starter. And Griff needs to be relatively healthy. We also need to add probably one more decent FA like an Ian Scott. Lot of ifs there, but most aren't outrageous by any stretch.

I think the team got better today and will be improved on both sides of the ball next season. I'm not willing to view the lack of a top rookie DL as a sure sign that our defense is done for when we've made a lot of solid improvements throughout the unit.

[shally]

Agreed.

I think it is almost criminal that there wasn't a single pick devoted to the defensive line. The message being sent is that they are confident in what we have at the position. Are they watching the same games as me? I have no doubts Landry is going to be a heck of a player, but we needed an infusion of young talent at Defensive line.

I kind of wish we did the Briggs trade. Briggs and Branch would've at least meant they addressed the position.

gibbs said as much yesterday.. they are fine with what we have..Lord help us

no guarantee we would have taken branch at 31... probably would have been another LB anyway...

[BostonSkins]

Gave it a B. I like the fact that we didn't draft by need per se (taking a Def lineman before it was prudent). Now we need to take it back to that 2005 mentality where when you play the Redskins you will get knocked around.

[BurgundyNGold]

I grade this draft as ironic, humorous, and typical.
Is that an A or an F? :D

[bgforever]

Going on just the picks we had, I would give it a B- or C.

1. Landry by most accounts was the best defensive player in the draft.

2. Sartz - solid career at USC with 7 sacks last year. Not a DE but LB depth who can rush the QB

3. Blades - Solid pick. Remember Zach Thomas was short and a little slow when he came out. He turned out great. I think Blades has the same potential.

4. Palmer - Young QB to groom into a backup. Brunell is old, nobody other than their family and friends wants to see Collins or Bramlett on the field.

5. Ecker - Looking at his size, he seems to be a blocker more than a pass catcher. Gibbs loves to have a TE that is solely a blocker. Maybe we won't need to bring Kozlowski back ever!!

D-line seemed to be an area of need, but really GW's defense does not emphasize pressure from the D-line. Pressure is brought by blitzes. (Landry, Sartz). The D-line is more used to occupy blockers so that the LBs and safeties can make plays.

O-line was also thought to be an area of need, depth wise. But do you remember last year? We had some solid young prospects and we let them go, so I would suspect the same would have happened if we had drafted anyone late in the draft.

Most won't like this draft, but I think that it will turn out solid.

thanks. I was a bit more generous, giving it a B. A Solid B. Its a draft, not a fast band aid. Only LL would be given such a burden, much like ST was when he was picked. His value is added by his production in years 1 and 2. Both had Taylors high, with a subpar for him, still avg or better for NFL. LL is a great addition, with the picks making sense, when you really look at it and what the thought process is of Joe Gibbs compared to Vinny. JG is taking a fw pages from Beatherd.

Look, TE - was a much needed lift position with anyone weighing over 240 lbs and not named Fauria, who actually was not bad in his best days, but they were numbered after he got injured. This is a good shot with someone having played some where other than Canada, Europe of alley ball.

LB proved to be a sore spot, but was like 50-50 on WHO and when from the draft. it doesn't mean we sought to ADDRESS the need from the draft, but the draft after round 1-2 and some of 3 is nothing more than lets take a look. No need to work yourself up. Best thing most teams do is have LOTS of picks for this very reason. Still NO guarantee to win the big prize, as some teams MASTER the draft have good years, but after the first or second playoff game, sit at home. Meaning they weren't that much better off overall than a lot of teams. Most teams are 3-4 games away from competing with the previous year's big winners. A few more players here and there can mean that win or loss swing. Not necessarily lifetime acheivement players, but backbone to win while an injured player recovers (BETHEA from Howard U for injured M DOss, sent M Doss PACKING FOLKS!)

[dj_stouty]

Considering how we literally wasted away our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks I'm surprised how anyone can give this draft a grade better than C.

[Skaggsrules]

This was a good draft....we're set for the season to make a splash...Landry will be the best pick for us pertaining to this season...Anderson and Okoye wouldn't make the immediate impact, and though Landry will sit out a few games (Even if he knows the system better than my friend knows the chords to Guitar Hero) because GW hates to start rooks, both he and Taylor are ball hawks, they can play, and Landry can cover the TE or the back coming out of the backfield (i.e. Brian Westbrook) Carter stepped it up at the end of the year, so I'm confident he can keep it up...Griff is Griff, if he is healthy...Golston is solid and has confidence from the staff, Salev'a and Montgomery are good in the rotation, Evans and Daniels are good opposite Carter. The improved tackling with the addition of Fletcher is huge, and there's no one better for HB Blades to learn from then London Fletcher...Washington, Marshall, Rock can all contribute along the outside, Sartz will be a special teamer his first year...Corners are fine with Springs, Smoot, Rogers and Macklin. Jordan Palmer gets rid of Todd Collins, good measureables and physical prowess, but needs to cut down on mistakes, which is why Brunell is still here...The TE is a project, but big body...might help in the red zone, hope he has a strong motor...Overall, I'm ready for the season to start, we are ready...are you?

[whitskins]

C

a fine starter in landry
spot player in sartz
eventual starter in blades
the others are goners


Palmer has a future with the team. We have no one at backup QB after this season and I don't trust any scrap heap FA with being able to come in and run Saunders' system on the fly. Heck, Collins played in it for half a decade and he still couldn't run it when he got here.

Palmer will be a guy who can hang around for a while. Sartz and Ecker, not sure about them long term, but I think they both at least make the roster this year.

[Redskin006]

I gave it a C, but I liked most of the picks.

Landry wasn't who I necessarily wanted, but it shores up our secondary and makes that safety tandem just straight scary. I like Sartz because he is a standup guy who is pretty amazing at pass rushing. Often at USC, he played as a 3rd down pass rushing linebacker. Blades is a steal in my opinion. He is a clone of Fletcher in every which way and should take over for him in the future. Jordan Palmer was a pretty good pick because he gives us depth and youth at the QB position and hopefully will be a back up for us long term. And the Tyler Ecker pick makes me scratch my head. I guess Gibbs doesn't feel we have enough depth at that position. But as we will all agree our biggest issues were not addressed on the D-line and I am worried about next year despite a pretty good offseason.

[RedScull]

I think they did pretty well considering the picks they had. They could have addressed the defensive line, but then again I think it'll be pretty easy to convince some undrafted free agent defensive linemen to sign with us considering the weakness there. Other than that (and perhaps the Palmer pick) they took several people I was high on. I could be in the minority, but I really like the Ecker selection.

[BurgundyNGold]

thanks.

Look, TE - was a much needed lift position with anyone weighing over 240 lbs and not named Fauria, who actually was not bad in his best days, but they were numbered after he got injured. This is a good shot with someone having played some where other than Canada, Europe of alley ball.

LB proved to be a sore spot, but was like 50-50 on WHO and when from the draft. it doesn't mean we sought to ADDRESS the need from the draft, but the draft after round 1-2 and some of 3 is nothing more than lets take a look. No need to work yourself up. Best thing most teams do is have LOTS of picks for this very reason. Still NO guarantee to win the big prize, as some teams MASTER the draft have good years, but after the first or second playoff game, sit at home. Meaning they weren't that much better off overall than a lot of teams. Most teams are 3-4 games away from competing with the previous year's big winners. A few more players here and there can mean that win or loss swing. Not necessarily lifetime acheivement players, but backbone to win while an injured player recovers (BETHEA from Howard U for injured M DOss, sent M Doss PACKING FOLKS!)
We had 4 LBs before the draft to play 3 spots. Unless Marshall truly is finished, using a pick to gamble on another LB instead of gambling on a DL probably wasn't a stellar moment of intellect for the FO troika of Manny, Joe and Jack.

[Patrick]

I say F (for right now) because we didn't address any needs. Well safety but that wasn't high on my list of needs. NOW on the flip side of that - I hope Gibbs & Co show me how WRONG my thinking is.

[dogfight6]

Is there a grade below F? The team gave up picks for nothing including next years fourth, drafted positions that there was no need for { another qb?} except for Landry these players are just cannon fodder for the vets. No O-linemen no D-linemen if I said what I really wanted to Spence WOULD shoot me. Oh well there is next year only 363 days till next draft!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Grade the Redskins Draft:

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I said (B), but only because meh isn't really my overall feeling, C+ would be my grade. Good not great but based only on the number of picks we had, where we picked and the fact that no teams wanted to trade down with us bad enough for us to move out of the 6 spot I think we did ok.

Landry will certainly be a welcomed addition to the secondary and I think he'll do well opposite Taylor. I'm ok with Sartz, although their were better LB's, on paper, out there IMO. I have to trust the scouts on his compatability with our scheme and his ST's ability. I really, really like the Blades pick in the 6th, I think he'll be groomed to replace London and have an impact on teams. Palmer is ok and has potential, maybe he beats out Bramlett if/when we release Collins or he might make the PS, definately looking towards next season with this pick. I don't know too much about Ecker but it looks like he's the big blocking TE Gibbs likes. I think C+ is a fair grade, And I think the LB'ers were needed, if just for teams this year.

If healthy we have decent depth at DE/Dt with Golston and Montys continued improvement, also read in the Washington Post Wynn restructured and cut his hit from 2.8 mil to like half that or something...

[bgforever]

We had 4 LBs before the draft to play 3 spots. Unless Marshall truly is finished, using a pick to gamble on another LB instead of gambling on a DL probably wasn't a stellar moment of intellect for the FO troika of Manny, Joe and Jack.

I thought it was Curly, Moe and Larry, but I digress, cause those spots seem to be taken :lol1:

I thought the exception wasting the pick on DL longshot was known, when the attitude dropped on DL in some regards after round one.

I think the DL is already addressed by something that is either taking place, took place and needs time to pacifry regulations, or is set from approach on being aggressive with FA's signing(s). I just don't think they felt comfortable taking the guys off the table they got,knowing they were there, while holding deck in hand, we just don't know about. This draft has Joe Gibbs written all over it.

As mentioned by another poster and even though I joked about it, Palmer is likely to challenge a very underachieving Collins.

Landry makes sense in a lot of ways, Sarz is more the ST we need while getting Some Kind of depth at WLB. I think McIntosh was ONLY expendable by virtue of a BETTER Vet. When it didn't work, Rocky was part of plan B.

[BurgundyNGold]

LaRon Landry voted "A", lol.

[whitskins]

I say F (for right now) because we didn't address any needs. Well safety but that wasn't high on my list of needs. NOW on the flip side of that - I hope Gibbs & Co show me how WRONG my thinking is.

Every pick we made addressed a need. SS was a big need. Our personnel at SS was terrible. PP hasn't started in several years and had a massive knee injury. The guys behind him straight up suck. Big need filled with Pro Bowl caliber player.

LB depth was also a big need with Rocky's knee troubles, Marcus' serious hip surgery, and Marshall's suckiness last year. Had to fill out the depth chart there for sure. A rash of nicks or injuries to the starters could have derailed the season.

QB surprised me, but it would have been a big need next year. Not a bad proactive choice.

Gibbs has been saying that backup TE is a need all offseason. Got one there too. He should make the roster as a blocker and then we'll see where he goes.


The team may not have addressed what the fans feel is the biggest need, but every pick did address a need of some sort. We could have had a really great draft and attacked every need if we didn't give away those early picks... That's what really upsets me right now.

[bgforever]

LaRon Landry voted "A", lol.

You kiddin right? :)

[frankez99]

2 things I know:

1. Our defense will definitely be improved next season.

2. With Taylor and Landry on the field, a blitz from one of them is going to hit Romo so hard it is going to knock that fairy smile off his face.

[SkinsASchamps]

I said pretty good. Lots of defense. We took the best player available on the first day and then what appears as coaches picks on the second day. The QB pick is an interesting one but it would be great to develop a good young QB to have in a backup roll. Everything I hear about our picks I like. I think we can still sign some line players with june 1st cuts and roster cuts/undrafted free agents. I like the way our team upgraded in tackling and speed this offseason on defense.

[BurgundyNGold]

You kiddin right? :)
Somebody did. I figured it had to be Landry, lol.

[GibbsFan]

Yet again, I'm disappointed that we passed on a young DE. But we did a good job with the picks that were left. The problem is we still have a big glaring needs on the DL. I gave it a B reluctantly based on the picks that were on hand. D- when you factor the wasted picks from the trades.

[frankez99]

For the 2 that gave this draft an "A", please raise your hands.

I'll give you some money; I think your mouse is broken.

[skinsfan1]

i say c+. the two that, i see and read there nfl.com draft reports, speaking of sartz and ecker might not play their college positions. eccker could be tranformed into a olineman and sartz could be a d-end. dont bash me but think about it, read their nfl.com draft report. blades was a STEAL and palmer
is project we need, because brunell and collins wont be around in 2 years. sartz was a good end rusher at usc he just needs about another 20- 30 pounds and coming to the nfl he'll gain that in muscle. maybe the next jason taylor? just trust the coaches

[bgforever]

i say c+. the two that, i see and read there nfl.com draft reports, speaking of sartz and ecker might not play their college positions. eccker could be tranformed into a olineman and sartz could be a d-end. dont bash me but think about it, read their nfl.com draft report. blades was a STEAL and palmer
is project we need, because brunell and collins wont be around in 2 years. sartz was a good end rusher at usc he just needs about another 20- 30 pounds and coming to the nfl he'll gain that in muscle. maybe the next jason taylor? just trust the coaches




Ecker - Also played DE with 95 tackles, 8 sacks and some forced fumbles! He did it whille still playing TE. He has WIDE shoulders, thick body, good upper body control, good feet movement. So if for any odd reason we wind up with an even better mainly blocking TE, that still has good hands, we have a TWO-WAY accomplished player for DE.

[Canuck]

For the 2 that gave this draft an "A", please raise your hands.

I'll give you some money; I think your mouse is broken.

I'll raise my hand. I liked all of the picks except for the 7th rounder, but c'mon, who really thought we would get production from our seventh rounder anyways. Gibbs must see something in Ecker that I don't.

Landry - no surprise that I loved this pick. He was #1 on my board.

Sartz - Probably the best pass-rusher available at this spot. This is a linebacker who led a Pete Carrol defence in sacks last year. For those of you who wanted a DE, name me a DE available that led his team in sacks last year.

Blades - Good depth pick who will contribute on special teams and has a chance to succeed Fletcher-Baker in a few years.

Palmer - This pick surprised me. I wasn't expecting our FO to actually think long term and pick a future backup QB. Having said that, any pick that allows us to dump Collins can't be all bad.

Ecker - At least he has size. If he can block then it's not a bad pick. I don't see him making our team though.

I gave the grade A based on how we did with our picks going into the weekend. Counting what we did with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks my grade is a C (those trades hurt!).

For those giving an F step up and tell us which player you would have drafted and why that player is better than the one we drafted.

[Hr fan]

Let's see, where to start. How about having only 1 OL or DL under 30 by the end of the year. This assumes that Wade, who is an injury risk, can suddenly become a road grader, something he has never been. We had obvious D deficiencies, can't stop the run (Tiki setting personal highs will haunt me forever) or the pass (how many 20+ yard pass completions?). During FA we got 2 CBs, a productive MLB, and a S. With the exception of Macklin all are familiar with GWs tereminology and system. Grade A, especially on restraint and focusing on who can help immediately.

But this is not the draft. The draft is to inject youth, and replace cornerstones that are crumbling (age is a good indicator, injury history and missed games even better). So, where do we need youth? Remember, football is a 100 yard war, and the wisdom of nearly 90 years says wars are won in the trenches.

On the age/missed games issue re the OL and DL, and the fact that most linemen will take a couple of years to become effective, the best grade that a draft that doesn't inject youth where there is so much age is D+ to D-. Unless the game is no longer won in the trenches.

Looking at our picks:

1. Landry - love him as a player. JG interview today said PP will be ready to go, we got Stoutmire back. An upgrade, but not at a position of dire need. Grade A long term, C+ for now.

2. Partial payment for Rocky. IMO they overpaid. This year will prove or disprove whether he is worth a mid to late 1st, the equivalent of 2 2s. Grade incomplete.

3. Duckett - grade F-. This acquisition not only was useless, it hurt the "core" Redskins in the locker room.

4. Partial payment for Lloyd. No production and a team cancer with his TO impersonation. Grade F-.

5. Starz. He will be good on specials, but was taken 2 rounds high for that alone. Has potential if the light goes on (where have I heard that lately? Oh, yeah, Montgomery). Given the OL and DL talent available, the kid suffers from not being a need in the same category. If he moves Posey grade C-. If he can't beat out Posey grade F.

6. Blades. Personally like the pick, and Fletcher-Baker is not young. The injection of youth behind a vet is what the drfaft is for - grade B- (would be a B except for height).

7. Palmer. We needed a young QB. He has the tools, but maybe not the head. Brunell will be 40 if he plays next year. Need as well as youth - grade inc (it takes 3 years to find out what you have at this position).

8. Ecker. If he can block, C. If he is a red zone target B+. Like his versatility (can also play H back or FB). In fact, make the grade B- overall (btw the knock on Patrick was he was a very indifferent blocker, clearly not what a Redskin is supposed to be).

For restraint about the big splash and for having all picks in 2008, A+.

That makes FA an A, FO restraint A+, and draft grade C on personnel, F+ on need. Overall, progress, but in draft terms alone 2.5 Fs really hurt. Overall the personnel function seems to be calming down, but failing to use the draft at critical positions of need, the trenches, overall D, but with hope for the future in terms of picks being available.

[smoak]

I gave them a B b/c I am not holding the trades against them and purely grading the players they took with the choices available.

If I factored the trades, it would be a D- or an F. You simply can not leave yourself with only one Day One pick wand I think they learned that lesson. There was no trading the future picks to grab a guy now which I factored into their B.

[MWballer]

My grade only factor in the picks that we do have cuz thats the only ones we could actually use in the draft the picks that we lost should go in our FA grade instead of draft grade IMO. Grade B-

1. Laron Landry was the BDP in this whole draft and we were able to get him has'd to be considered a positive. Remember Ryan Clark and how much film he used to watch and how hard he worked. Well thats Laron with way more talent Laron will be able to help ST line up if need be and free ST to do what he does best, cause trouble for the opposing team. Now we won't have to see ST comming from the other side of the field cuz of our other safety lack of ability to make the play. Now QB's will just have to pick their poison; Do I throw at ST's side and have my reciever blown up by him or Landry's side and have my receiver blown up by him :devil2:

5. Dallas Sartz I don't know to much about him but if you lead Pete Carrolls D in sack you must have some talent. The guy has great measurable's and our LB'er depth has been lacking the last two years. Remember we used to have Holdman and Pierce as our back ups since both have elevated their game we never really we're able to replace them just put in some stop gap guys like Holdman, J. Posey.

6. H.B. Blades great football player doesn't have ideal measurables but all I hear bout this guy is that he can ball. Should provide great depth and seems to have gr8 intangibles may if we're lucky he could be our future MLB.

6. Jordan Palmer project QB we haven't drafted one of these in years he has good blood lines and could become a long term back up.

7. Tyler Ecker blocking TE could he be our next Koz/Yoder hopefully so!!

*The DE/DT that I saw from the 5th round on didn't seem any better than the players that we drafted I like the BPA strategy that we used we'll take care of the DL soon enough...Ian Scott is still available and some vet DE could be June 1st cuts...K. Golston and A. Montgomery should be ready to step up

[bgforever]

*The DE/DT that I saw from the 5th round on didn't seem any better than the players that we drafted I like the BPA strategy that we used we'll take care of the DL soon enough...Ian Scott is still available and some vet DE could be June 1st cuts...K. Golston and A. Montgomery should be ready to step up
Posted by MWBALLER

Good, good point! I believe the same thing. I saw the same idea on the DL from about mid 4th on down maybe,but not sure. What do I know. Anyway, no way the DL goes totally neglected, unless they are COMPLETELY satisfied, which I seriously doubt. Just that the draft was a PICKEM after Laron.

[dj_stouty]

I gave them a B b/c I am not holding the trades against them and purely grading the players they took with the choices available.

If I factored the trades, it would be a D- or an F. You simply can not leave yourself with only one Day One pick wand I think they learned that lesson. There was no trading the future picks to grab a guy now which I factored into their B.

Sorry Smoak, but you MUST factor in Rocky, Lloyd and Duckett into the equation as far as us losing our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. None of those three will start next season and I fathom to think how we coud have drafted with those picks instead.

[smoak]

Sorry Smoak, but you MUST factor in Rocky, Lloyd and Duckett into the equation as far as us losing our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks. None of those three will start next season and I fathom to think how we coud have drafted with those picks instead.

I gave two grades. 1 for the players we took and 1 for the entire picture which would include the giving aways picks for McIntosh and the other guys. Not sure what else you'd want to see here??

I think for the guys we took, we did a nice job.... but I think it is a crime to have only 1 day one pick (I really don't care if you give away sixth and seventh round picks).

[BurgundyNGold]

I gave two grades. 1 for the players we took and 1 for the entire picture which would include the giving aways picks for McIntosh and the other guys. Not sure what else you'd want to see here??

I think for the guys we took, we did a nice job.... but I think it is a crime to have only 1 day one pick (I really don't care if you give away sixth and seventh round picks).
Passing on Patrick (twice) should be worth a whole grade level reduction, IMO. I don't see how the B holds when you consider that bit of buffoonery.

[dj_stouty]

I gave two grades. 1 for the players we took and 1 for the entire picture which would include the giving aways picks for McIntosh and the other guys. Not sure what else you'd want to see here??

I think for the guys we took, we did a nice job.... but I think it is a crime to have only 1 day one pick (I really don't care if you give away sixth and seventh round picks).

Fair enough, but I think only one grade is necessary.

We have been adding the traded players into our draft equation for years. Why stop now? We added Portis with our 2nd rounder 3 years ago and that was taken into the total consideration for the grade. This year, our picks went for Lloyd, Duckett and Rocky. *Cue the Debbie Downer soundbite*

[NCskinsfanatic]

I graded the draft also with no regard to how we ended up with so few picks, we were already in that shape. No one wanted to trade down and still give us value so we drafted BPA and took into factor what they'd do for our team. No use crying over spilled milk, we knew we had no picks going in and getting Landry and Blades were both really good additions. Not sure what to think of the sartz, dont mind we took a guy that was the captain of his team and has all the attributes and work ethic you desire in Utep's Palmer. Ecker could also be the blocking TE that joe likes...I also didnt add the FA additions or loses into the equation, where we drafted and who, nothing more nothing less..

[VegasSkinsFan]

I would give us a B. Landry can play, Blades and Sartz can play too...time will tell if they can at the pro level. Qb pick was ok, we need to groom someone and get rid of collins. The TE might be able to do something who knows. I was more disappointed at not picking for 24 hours and not addressing dl or ol. Does anyone know when the undrafted players start getting announce? Go Skins !!!!

[skins111111]

didn't go the way I wanted it but I gave a B......I will give the FO the benifit of the doubt.............haveing LaRoy and Swoop in the back field will definatly be interesting

[resdog56]

This was a good draft....we're set for the season to make a splash...Landry will be the best pick for us pertaining to this season...Anderson and Okoye wouldn't make the immediate impact, and though Landry will sit out a few games (Even if he knows the system better than my friend knows the chords to Guitar Hero) because GW hates to start rooks, both he and Taylor are ball hawks, they can play, and Landry can cover the TE or the back coming out of the backfield (i.e. Brian Westbrook) Carter stepped it up at the end of the year, so I'm confident he can keep it up...Griff is Griff, if he is healthy...Golston is solid and has confidence from the staff, Salev'a and Montgomery are good in the rotation, Evans and Daniels are good opposite Carter. The improved tackling with the addition of Fletcher is huge, and there's no one better for HB Blades to learn from then London Fletcher...Washington, Marshall, Rock can all contribute along the outside, Sartz will be a special teamer his first year...Corners are fine with Springs, Smoot, Rogers and Macklin. Jordan Palmer gets rid of Todd Collins, good measureables and physical prowess, but needs to cut down on mistakes, which is why Brunell is still here...The TE is a project, but big body...might help in the red zone, hope he has a strong motor...Overall, I'm ready for the season to start, we are ready...are you?


My senitments exactly, I mean if we had more picks I would be more optimistic. But, these are still Danny's Redskins! I think the FO did ok and gets a solid C, if we can maybe add another proven pass rusher following the June 1 cuts (Schoebel from Buff), I think we will be back to 04-05 production from the "d". Then it fall mostly on JC's shoulders, I personally think the kid is ready to take the reigns and run us into playoff position.

[jtovb2005]

Just like every year, will wait until the rubber meets the road in the real thing. I watch zero college football so have no idea of who any of these guys are.

Chris Hanburger who the heck is that guy, 18th round nah he is a bum.

Monte Coleman 11th round what a waste.

Pat Fisher 17th Round no way he is too short and slow.

And so on........

[dj_stouty]

Just like every year, will wait until the rubber meets the road in the real thing. I watch zero college football so have no idea of who any of these guys are.

Chris Hanburger who the heck is that guy, 18th round nah he is a bum.

Monte Coleman 11th round what a waste.

Pat Fisher 17th Round no way he is too short and slow.

And so on........

Patrick Ramsey: Best arm on a first round QB in years!

[BurgundyNGold]

This poll has turned into a veritable bell curve, lol.

[colkurtz]

C based on what we drafted this weekend. If Landry stabilizes ST and they play well together this will help the DBs.

Final score was D because we wasted 2/3/4 on trades.

Lower picks are very cheap seats on the bench and perhaps backups or ST studs if we are lucky.

Lack of focus on the DL is just baffling to me and contrary to any other team's philosophy in the NFL. Hope the old DL guys have some juice left in their tank!

[HAWGZHEAD]

This poll has turned into a veritable bell curve, lol.The bar graph did turn out aesthetically pleasing lol.

[bwparker]

Best thing about this draft? We didn't touch next year's.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Best thing about this draft? We didn't touch next year's.That is definately a plus. I solved global warming and then forgot how I did it in between our first and second picks this year.

[MONK_in_HOF]

D- but I was really tempted to go with the F option. The wasted 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks have to factor in and unless Rocky and Lloyd have decent seasons this year, those were disastrous trades. No need to mention the 3rd pick.

This is pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. I think you absolutely have to factor in the picks they traded away. I always thought the Lloyd deal was a terrible idea. The Rocky trade IMO seems to look more shaky with the attempt at Briggs and then the other LBs taken. The Duckett deal looks like one of the dumbest this FO has made. Duckett gave us little to nothing in exchange for a high 3rd round pick. :banghead:

I don't know why I get so excited for draft week, besides the S. Taylor year, I can't remember another draft in this century that I have not felt boggled and let down afterwards.

[skinsfan1]

This is pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. I think you absolutely have to factor in the picks they traded away. I always thought the Lloyd deal was a terrible idea. The Rocky trade IMO seems to look more shaky with the attempt at Briggs and then the other LBs taken. The Duckett deal looks like one of the dumbest this FO has made. Duckett gave us little to nothing in exchange for a high 3rd round pick. :banghead:

I don't know why I get so excited for draft week, besides the S. Taylor year, I can't remember another draft in this century that I have not felt boggled and let down afterwards.


i agree the trades last year, especially the duckett trade, were a disaster imo
the lloyd trade i thought this kid would change in a new eviroment with gibbs but may be he'll change this year if they dont trade for seventh rounder next year like archuletta lol

[MONK_in_HOF]

i agree the trades last year, especially the duckett trade, were a disaster imo
the lloyd trade i thought this kid would change in a new eviroment with gibbs but may be he'll change this year if they dont trade for seventh rounder next year like archuletta lol

I won't hold my breath. Really there is nowhere for him to go but up. It can't get much worse than last year. 0 TDs.... Yikes!!

[colkurtz]

That is definately a plus. I solved global warming and then forgot how I did it in between our first and second picks this year.

Best post of the thread!!! :lol1:

[silverspring]

D
I just don't think we filled any needs. I don't understand the QB and TE pick and I would understand if we got one linebacker but why 2?

[colkurtz]

The bar graph did turn out aesthetically pleasing lol.

Bell curve looks like my college grades. LOL.

[skinsfan1]

D
I just don't think we filled any needs. I don't understand the QB and TE pick and I would understand if we got one linebacker but why 2?


the qb is a project years away( hopefully he'll make the team). the tightend
could possibly turn into an o-lineman or i read somewhere he played d-end, dont know in college or highschool but he recoerded like a 100 tackles and 7or sacks they could try something in that nature , but with 7th rounder if it doesnt work you havent really lost anything but anyways with his size and he really doesnt have good hands he just a ferocious blocker

[smoak]

Just like every year, will wait until the rubber meets the road in the real thing. I watch zero college football so have no idea of who any of these guys are.
Chris Hanburger who the heck is that guy, 18th round nah he is a bum.

Monte Coleman 11th round what a waste.

Pat Fisher 17th Round no way he is too short and slow.

And so on........

I find your humility a refreshing chage of pace to the 2,345.7 register Mel Kipers we have. For my part, I do research.... I'm just not bright enough to articulate my thoughts outside of a collection of grunts and hand gestures. Thankfully the gestures don't translate on a message board. :D

[Skins7ny]

I'll raise my hand. I liked all of the picks except for the 7th rounder, but c'mon, who really thought we would get production from our seventh rounder anyways. Gibbs must see something in Ecker that I don't.

Landry - no surprise that I loved this pick. He was #1 on my board.

Sartz - Probably the best pass-rusher available at this spot. This is a linebacker who led a Pete Carrol defence in sacks last year. For those of you who wanted a DE, name me a DE available that led his team in sacks last year.

Blades - Good depth pick who will contribute on special teams and has a chance to succeed Fletcher-Baker in a few years.

Palmer - This pick surprised me. I wasn't expecting our FO to actually think long term and pick a future backup QB. Having said that, any pick that allows us to dump Collins can't be all bad.

Ecker - At least he has size. If he can block then it's not a bad pick. I don't see him making our team though.

I gave the grade A based on how we did with our picks going into the weekend. Counting what we did with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks my grade is a C (those trades hurt!).

For those giving an F step up and tell us which player you would have drafted and why that player is better than the one we drafted.

I figured the 2 A grades were Dan and Vinny. My initial thought was a D, but thinking about it some more is making me split between a D and a C, but I think you have to make it a D when factoring in the picks we gave away. I was getting tired of seeing other teams in our conference (San Fran, Atlanta, Tampa, Green Bay) drafting seemingly every 5minutes while Joe, Danny & Vinny were taking their siesta. You raise some good points here. The only guy I had on my draft value board (signifying I would want to take him where Pro Football Weekly said he would go) was the last guy, Kyle Ecker. There were a lot of guys I was on the fence about. I don't think this was a particularly good draft pool. Other impressions:

Rd. 1-Landry. I didn't like Okoye (too young, too small, will take 2 years to match up against the older players he'll face, question how he will handle the money). I would've been happy with Anderson, but will defer to the FO's opinion that Landry was the better pick. Ideally the best player at 6 would have been a DE, but I cannot blame the FO for taking the consensus best defender. I was uncomfortable entering the season with Priouleau, Stoutmire or Fox as the starter, and think Landry is a tremendous upgrade, as well a s hedge against future problems with Taylor. I think Taylor really has to shape up this year, live in the film room and grow up as a player. Maybe having Landry around will help in that regard.

Rd. 2-yesterday cemented the McIntosh deal as being a disaster. If we had stayed put, we could have had the great deal that SanDiego gave Chicago for our pick (a 3rd, a 5th, and a 3rd next year to trade down 25 spots in round 2) and still drafted DE Quentin Moses or any of the persons listed below in round 3. Or we could have kept the pick and drafted OG Justin Blalock or DE's LaMarr Woodley or Tim Crowder.

Rd. 3-Of course, at least we still have McIntosh and he should start for us. This pick was totally wasted, along with a #4 next year, for Duckett. We could have had TE Matt Spaeth, DE Charles Johnson or OG/OT Marshall Yanda.
The most significant pick of the round for us may have been the Eagles taking Tony Hunt of Penn State. Now that they have their big back, our FO won't feel the need to pre-empt a possible RB trade to Philly this August!

Rd. 4-Sigh. Brandon Lloyd. We could have had FS Tanard Jackson, DT Paul Soliai, P Daniel Sepulveda, LB Zak DeOssie, CB Fred Bennett, DT Kareem Brown or OG Josh Beekman. What a waste.

Rd. 5-Did not like this pick, but after re-reading PFW's entry on him, and the point Canuck made, I am feeling better about this choice. He has excellent height and weight, decent speed, can rush the passer, played in a big-time program for an excellent coach, and he plays a position of need for us. I will be interested to see if he can make the team as a quality backup to Marcus W.

Rd. 6a-H.B. Blades. Similar to London Fletcher, could have an opportunity to learn from him and take over the position. There were a lot of short MLBs available this year. I preferred Jon Abbate here, but I think he went undrafted, probably b/c of poor 40 time. At minimum, Blades should be an excellent special teamer and contribute that way. Maybe he can overcome his limitations as Fletcher has and become a stud MLB 2-3 years from now.

Rd 6b-Jordan Palmer-PFW's report on him was absolutely terrible, saying he has no chance and wouldn't even be considered if his last name weren't Palmer. But Jaworski, whose opinions I respect despite his Eagleness, said that he thinks Palmer is a good prospect. We shall see.

Rd. 7-I actually like Ecker. PFW says he was underused at Michigan and will be a better pro than collegian, gets open and has good hands. I think he is a good complement/backup to Cooley and an ideal 3rd TE, although I think we need another stud blocker.

I have to go D because of the wasted opportunities to get some excellent players in rounds 2, 3 and 4, and because of my skepticism about Palmer and the young LBs we drafted. However, grading a draft now is kind of pointless, we should re-examine this at the end of the 2008 season and see how we did.

[RedskinRyan]

Meh. We'll see down the road.

only way i can really feel about it. im just not a fan of the landry pick. i dont like that we drafted two more linebackers. jordan palmer could be a nice developmental pick. and i like the drafting of ecker.

[Battle Cat]

I give the draft a C-D range more towards C. We got the best defensive player available and didnt touch next years picks. I think some of our lower round picks are crazy every year. I think why not take a flyer on a Robert mathis type guy to small to be an every down DE but pass rushing specialist that comes in and only plays obvious passing downs or take a project tall wide reciever like a Courtney Taylor from Auburn in the 6th or 7th but we always seem to take 4 half backs or 3 linebackers. I like the Qb choice though get Brunnel and Collins off the books next year let him learn the system this whole year in the film room and groom him to be a back up.

[PA Skins Girl]

I have no problem with any of the picks. Landry will be a solid starter. I like both LBs and believe it or not, we were thin there with only 6 on the roster going into the draft. We needed a blocking TE so I like that pick. As far as the QB, I'm fine with that too. We needed address the backup QB position since Mark and Todd are the same age.

[OCSkinzFan]

I have no problem with any of the picks. Landry will be a solid starter. I like both LBs and believe it or not, we were thin there with only 6 on the roster going into the draft. We needed a blocking TE so I like that pick. As far as the QB, I'm fine with that too. We needed address the backup QB position since Mark and Todd are the same age.
Good point!
I hadn't thought of that. It makes me feel better about drafting a QB.

[redskin_rich]

This is pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. I think you absolutely have to factor in the picks they traded away. I always thought the Lloyd deal was a terrible idea. The Rocky trade IMO seems to look more shaky with the attempt at Briggs and then the other LBs taken. The Duckett deal looks like one of the dumbest this FO has made. Duckett gave us little to nothing in exchange for a high 3rd round pick. :banghead:

I don't know why I get so excited for draft week, besides the S. Taylor year, I can't remember another draft in this century that I have not felt boggled and let down afterwards.
I didn't like the Rocky trade when it happened and I still don't.
I was on the fence with the Lloyd trade, it wasn't what I wanted to do but now it's looking bad.
Both of those moves could be redeemed if those players become decent starters.

The Duckett trade cannot be validated. Ironically, that was the one I liked at the time. Granted, I thought we would be in the playoffs and with a hurt Portis and unproven Betts, I saw it as a good insurance move. His production or lack thereof doesn't factor in as much as the team failure for me. If we had made the playoffs, we would have been glad to have him and I'm sure he would have played a part.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

A big factor in grading this draft in the future will be Blades. Assuming they hit right on Landry, if they also got our starting MLB for the next five years after Fletcher leaves, then that's not bad based on the amount of picks they had.

It still seems crazy not to get one DL though. Based on the current roster, we are doomed if Griffin goes down.

[redskin_rich]

I have no problem with any of the picks. Landry will be a solid starter. I like both LBs and believe it or not, we were thin there with only 6 on the roster going into the draft. We needed a blocking TE so I like that pick. As far as the QB, I'm fine with that too. We needed address the backup QB position since Mark and Todd are the same age.
I think we could have taken Palmer later. I'm not even sure he would have been drafted. We passed a potentially good TE in Patrick to take Palmer and then saw Patrick get taken a pick before us at the end.
Palmer won't even be our 3rd QB this year and will get released, then re-signed to the PS. I personally think it's a waste to use a PS spot on a QB.
This need could have been addressed next year, when we have almost all of our picks, for a QB that actually would make our roster.

[PA Skins Girl]

I think we could have taken Palmer later. I'm not even sure he would have been drafted. We passed a potentially good TE in Patrick to take Palmer and then saw Patrick get taken a pick before us at the end.
Palmer won't even be our 3rd QB this year and will get released, then re-signed to the PS. I personally think it's a waste to use a PS spot on a QB.
This need could have been addressed next year, when we have almost all of our picks, for a QB that actually would make our roster.
I dont know. I was worried about losing Mark and Todd in the same year (2008) then having two new guys come in that didnt know the system.

As far as the TE Patrick, I think we were looking for more of a blocking TE, than receiving TE like Patrick.

[Emmanouel8]

D if you count the lost picks.

Solid B if you only count the picks they had. Really like the second day. I like Landry, but can't get excited about him.

Split the difference at a C.

Darn I forgot to factor in the 2nd and 4rd round debacles. I'd like to change my vote from a Meh, to a big fat capital "F"!!!!! Incompetance!

[FanFromArizona]

I think we could have taken Palmer later. I'm not even sure he would have been drafted. We passed a potentially good TE in Patrick to take Palmer and then saw Patrick get taken a pick before us at the end.
Palmer won't even be our 3rd QB this year and will get released, then re-signed to the PS. I personally think it's a waste to use a PS spot on a QB.
This need could have been addressed next year, when we have almost all of our picks, for a QB that actually would make our roster.

A sixth round pick on a QB, I don't have any issues with this. He'll have at least 3 years to learn the system, he won't be used in any capacity this year, and might get elevated in year 2 or 3 to our backup QB spot. I don't mind a sixth round pick on this, I would be concerned if we waited until next year to address the impending release/retirement of our backup QB. We won't be rushed and the cap implications for our backup QB will be appropiate ( a sixth round salary)

[redskin_rich]

A sixth round pick on a QB, I don't have any issues with this. He'll have at least 3 years to learn the system, he won't be used in any capacity this year, and might get elevated in year 2 or 3 to our backup QB spot. I don't mind a sixth round pick on this, I would be concerned if we waited until next year to address the impending release/retirement of our backup QB. We won't be rushed and the cap implications for our backup QB will be appropiate ( a sixth round salary)
He won't count against the cap and he won't be a backup in any way this year. I bet he doesn't even play in preseason.
In 2-3 years, we will likely have a different staff and possibly a different system. This was a wasted pick, when there was still talent available.

[danny's stogie]

I think we could have taken Palmer later. I'm not even sure he would have been drafted. We passed a potentially good TE in Patrick to take Palmer and then saw Patrick get taken a pick before us at the end.
Palmer won't even be our 3rd QB this year and will get released, then re-signed to the PS. I personally think it's a waste to use a PS spot on a QB.
This need could have been addressed next year, when we have almost all of our picks, for a QB that actually would make our roster.

JLC speculates that one of the ancient duo is hitting the streets after they decide who to keep during training camp.

[redskin_rich]

JLC speculates that one of the ancient duo is hitting the streets after they decide who to keep during training camp.
Not a chance, unless Collins starts making a fuss about being #3.

[danny's stogie]

Not a chance, unless Collins starts making a fuss about being #3.

Salary cap.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I loved the picks of Landry and Blades. Blades is exactly what I was looking for, an ILB that can be groomed behind Fletcher, and hopefully, be ready in a couple of years.

The Sartz pick is intriguing, but I'm not sure what to make out of it.
As for Palmer, I'm thinking he'll stay in PS this year, and then take on the roster the following, after the departure of MB and/or Collins.

About the TE I have heard so many things, good blocker/bad blocker, good hands/bad hands, etc., so I really have no idea.

I think a C+ is appropriate because of the lack of picks.

[FanFromArizona]

He won't count against the cap and he won't be a backup in any way this year. I bet he doesn't even play in preseason.
In 2-3 years, we will likely have a different staff and possibly a different system. This was a wasted pick, when there was still talent available.

I don't know the FO thinking on the pick, perhaps they felt the risk was too great to wait any longer. They made the determination that we needed a QB to replace Brunell/Collins in some time, and if that was the determination, then I have no issues with the pick because it will give him 1 year of learning the system without any pressure and will give us a decent backup QB in 2-3 years time without any cap ramifications. I would much rather make this pick this year and give him a year to learn the system than wait until next year.

[FanFromArizona]

Not a chance, unless Collins starts making a fuss about being #3.

They'll keep Collins over this youngster you think? This has the handwritings all over it.

IMO, the depth chart will pan out as :

1. Campbell
2. Brunell vs Collins
3. Palmer

Collins will only win if MB does not rehab in time for the season. Collins will be odd man out, and Palmer will be Emergency.

[whitskins]

The more I think about the Blades pick, the more I love it. Hearing his quotes after he was drafted was great. He's not the best athlete, but he has heart, passion, intelligence, and he was incredibly productive in college.

I think he's a London Fletcher clone who will have the luxury of playing behind and learning from London Fletcher. It's a perfect situation for him. And in two years when he has the system down pat, he can step in and start.

My only worry is that the FO will look for a bigger name or a "sure thing" once Fletcher dries up, and they won't give this kid his chance because he doesn't have the hype behind him. But I think the guy will be a real player for us. I can't wait to see him in the preseason.

[MikeBass]

The more I think about the Blades pick, the more I love it. Hearing his quotes after he was drafted was great. He's not the best athlete, but he has heart, passion, intelligence, and he was incredibly productive in college.

I think he's a London Fletcher clone who will have the luxury of playing behind and learning from London Fletcher. It's a perfect situation for him. And in two years when he has the system down pat, he can step in and start.

My only worry is that the FO will look for a bigger name or a "sure thing" once Fletcher dries up, and they won't give this kid his chance because he doesn't have the hype behind him. But I think the guy will be a real player for us. I can't wait to see him in the preseason.

I think that he has the perfect teacher and will be Fletchers replacement when all is said and done and to think we got him in the 6th round!!!

[whitskins]

I think that he has the perfect teacher and will be Fletchers replacement when all is said and done and to think we got him in the 6th round!!!

If Landry is the perennial Pro Bowler that he is supposed to be and Blades becomes the future at MLB, then this will turn out to be a great draft. Add to that if Sartz quickly emerges as a third down pass rusher a la Chris Clemons, then we could come out with some real quality players from this draft. Well, at least more quality players than we're used to seeing from our drafts. :)

[dj_stouty]

The more I think about the Blades pick, the more I love it.

I just want the guy's Redskin jersey. He has an awesome last name...

[BurgundyNGold]

I have never seen a poll on this site so uniformly tapered as this one. It's like a commercial for bar charts, lol.

[helimech24]

Worst draft ever. Glad we didn't need any help on the defensive lineman.

[smoak]

Worst draft ever. Glad we didn't need any help on the defensive lineman.

Sorry, but it wasn't even the worst draft of the past 10 years. The first one under Spurrier gets that nod IMO. There were a handful of teams that I thought had more picks and came away with less. Philly specifically screwed the proverbial pooch IMO. What the heck were they thinking???

[Dept_of_Defense]

I know the D-Line was projected to be upgraded through the draft, but considering we only had 1 pick on the first day, I thought we faired pretty well.

[Keino]

This draft was horrible, the more I think about it the more I think this to be the case.

I have said it beofre and I will say it here, the most obvious glaring hole on our team was on the Defensive Line. To not use one of our picks on that position, when it was the deepest it has been in years is broderline criminal.

If the message being sent that the coaching staff is confident in the D line as constructed, knowing what I have watched for the past 3 seasons, then my confidence in the coaching staff has been seriously shaken, and it pains me to say that, because it starts at the top.....and at the top is Gibbs.

Nobody remotely interested in the Washington Redskins over the past 3 seasons outside of Redskins Park can say that they are confident in this D Line.

I wasn't pissed Saturday. I am today.

[bergiemoore]

I think it's kind of tough to grade a draft when there is only 1 first day pick, and the rest late second day picks.

After #6 pick was gone, we weren't going to be able to address needs, but just look for the best players available. I'm really not overly upset about this draft. In my opinion, the Skins did well to not trade away any of 2008's picks, and they took the best defensive player in the draft.

I think the LBs they took have a decent chance of making the team, and depth/youth at LB would be much appreciated.

I guess the Palmer pick is the only head-scratcher for me. Is Bramlet done? Does this mean we can clear up 1.2 million from Collins? Is this kid someone we will sit on the practice squad for a year before he makes the roster? Could he turn into trade bait in a couple of years?

As for Ecker, I hope he makes the team, but this franchise's history with 7th rounders doesn't paint any high hopes for him, or anybody else we could have taken there.

Like many, I thought that the DL needed addressing, but I really don't think guys we draft in the 5th and 6th round are going to be able to break into the starting lineup in their first year. Hopefully, the Skins will unearth some talent in the UDFA market to at least compete at DT and DE.

[bergiemoore]

I have said it beofre and I will say it here, the most obvious glaring hole on our team was on the Defensive Line. To not use one of our picks on that position, when it was the deepest it has been in years is broderline criminal.


I agree that we needed to address this spot, but after the #6 pick, we didn't get on the board until the 5th round. The draft was deep at DL, but that depth didn't go that far.

Do you think we should have past on Landry?

[Keino]

I agree that we needed to address this spot, but after the #6 pick, we didn't get on the board until the 5th round. The draft was deep at DL, but that depth didn't go that far.

Do you think we should have past on Landry?


Yes. I think if we were going to keep the #6, we should've taken Jamaal Anderson or Okoye. I don't believe taking a top 10 guy at #6 represents a reach at all.

I think the contention that the Defensive Backfield made the Defensive line look bad last year is nonsensical, and goes against everything that I know about defensive football.

I have no doubts Landry is going to be one heckuva a player, I am just sick of watching this team ignore the defensive line. We passed on Tommie Harris for Sean Taylor (I can understand that). We passed on Shawne Merrieman for Rogers (I realize that Merrieman is really a 3-4 LB). The bottomline is that you can hvae 4 all-pro defensive backs, they won't be able to cover anyone as long as teams can run for 4 yards a pop and their QB's have all day to throw the ball. Every successful defense has the ability to generate a pass rush without blitzing. We still don't have that ability.

[new guy]

last night not that happy but time to think it over considering amount of picks not to bad. Not feeling the qb though should taken g/de/or some tall wr.
I hope that usc kid can add 20-30 pounds and put his hand down rush the passer someone last night said he led his team in sacks. Blades looked like a beast from what little film they showed. I was like everyone else thought I would have seen nothing but dl and ol but these pics are still inline with the building through the draft. Who knows maybe there is someone there eyeing for next year coming out. Lord knows I was waiting for perterson since he was a freshmen to bad on the timming (redskins dont need him). Overall and forgiving them for giving away our pics last year. I'll give them a c+

[OCSkinzFan]

Originally I thought we would do Okoye or Anderson, but I can live with Landry, he is going to make an immediate impact next year and that's what you need from a #6 (of course Anderson is going to be really good too- Okoye was a little bit of a roll of the dice).

On day two, I like most people, wanted DL but I started thinking, didn't the LBs suck last year? Washington played hurt but Marshal and Holdman were overwhelmed, and the depth behind them what a black hole of nothingness. So in a post day one interview when Gibbs said LB depth, I believed him. Now our LBs seem better than they were last year.

This is how I see the LBs this year:

Sam: M. Washington, D. Starz

Mike: L. Fletcher, H.B. Blades/Cambell

Will: L. Marshal/R. McIntosh

I like that Marshal can move back to the Will where he is MUCH better. McIntosh may have to wait anoter year, but all three young LBs should see the field on more than just ST.

[James F. Quinn]

I don't know the FO thinking on the pick, perhaps they felt the risk was too great to wait any longer. They made the determination that we needed a QB to replace Brunell/Collins in some time, and if that was the determination, then I have no issues with the pick because it will give him 1 year of learning the system without any pressure and will give us a decent backup QB in 2-3 years time without any cap ramifications. I would much rather make this pick this year and give him a year to learn the system than wait until next year.

We already have a young QB-in-training in Bramlett. Campbell is going to start, and either Mark or Todd will be expendable this year. Might as well have thrown all the remaining DL guys' names in a hat and picked one blindfolded, for all the good this pick will be.

Most sixth rounders are TC fodder anyway. Might as well have gotten a guy who could be a wedge man on STs

[ChiefPowhatan17]

B,

We got the best players available. I am surprised that we didn't get one DE at all, but I do like the players we drafted Landry the best D player in the draft, that's not bad. Blades, I like that pick. He will be able to mentor under Fletcher. This means that Khary Campbell, will be fighting to make this team. I am not sure why we got another OLB, but if it's depth, that's good. I like getting a late round TE, he is going to be a big blocker, at least that sounds like his MO.

[OCSkinzFan]

Here's the other part of why we needed to draft LBs:

London Fletcher turns 32 in May, Marcus Washington turns 30 in Sept and Marshal's already 30. Cambell, at 27 isn't going to get any younger or better.

[redskin_rich]

Here's the other part of why we needed to draft LBs:

London Fletcher turns 32 in May, Marcus Washington turns 30 in Sept and Marshal's already 30. Holdman and Cambell, at 27 isn't going to get any younger or better.
Blades is the one pick I'm very happy about, if for no other reason, we can finally get rid of Khary Campbell, who is nothing but a special teamer.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Blades is the one pick I'm very happy about, if for no other reason, we can finally get rid of Khary Campbell, who is nothing but a special teamer.
I'm hoping McCune steps his game up this year, and I wouldn't mind seeing a healthy Chris Clemons make the team.

[OCSkinzFan]

Blades is the one pick I'm very happy about, if for no other reason, we can finally get rid of Khary Campbell, who is nothing but a special teamer.
That and Marshal get out of the Mike. He got beat to crap trying the play in there. If you recall ca few years ago when LA first went down, Marshal was surprisingly good.

[redskin_rich]

I'm hoping McCune steps his game up this year, and I wouldn't mind seeing a healthy Chris Clemons make the team.
McCune is a Dolphin and Clemons is out of the league.

[smoak]

McCune is a Dolphin and Clemons is out of the league.

I still hope he steps up his game. :D

[openallnight]

Grading a draft the day after it's over is a fool's errand.
So, I'll give it a shot ;
In order to be somewhat objective I think you must come up with set of criteria for evaluating. The simplest would probably be # of eventual starters.
So, I'll use this scale
5+ - A
4 - B
3 - C
2 - D
0-1 - F

I figure LL is a no brainer to start sooner rather than later.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid he may be the only one of the bunch, though. So, I'll have to give an F. In my class not having 2nd, 3rd and 4th pix really hurts your grade.

[Biggie]

I gave them a C for drafting Carson Palmer's brother instead of a D-lineman.

[BurgundyNGold]

A day after the draft ended and I'm still not happy with us passing on the need positions. But I'm not as pissed off As I was Saturday or Sunday.

[colkurtz]

A day after the draft ended and I'm still not happy with us passing on the need positions. But I'm not as pissed off As I was Saturday or Sunday.

Ditto. I'm just hoping the team keeps enough cap money open so they can go for a decent DE FA, if one comes available.

[BurgundyNGold]

Ditto. I'm just hoping the team keeps enough cap money open so they can go for a decent DE FA, if one comes available.
Simeon Rice maybe? ;)

[RedskinsVision]

I guess we'll see if the DL can anchor the defense and allow the back 7 to make plays. Or it's going to be another long year.

[daEz0r]

i grade it a F solely on the fact that we didn't get a DLman in the whole draft. plus, we didn't get a trade down. In my opinion we should've drafted DE or DT first round and nabbed a stud DB in the second. IF we still had our 2nd rounder we could've got C. Houston who i think will be the DROY.

On the positive note, we didn't trade away our next years draft picks.

[BurgundyNGold]

i grade it a F solely on the fact that we didn't get a DLman in the whole draft. plus, we didn't get a trade down. In my opinion we should've drafted DE or DT first round and nabbed a stud DB in the second. IF we still had our 2nd rounder we could've got C. Houston who i think will be the DROY.

On the positive note, we didn't trade away our next years draft picks.
So, should we make that an F+? :D

[daEz0r]

it got upgrade from a F- to a F. :)

[BurgundyNGold]

it got upgrade from a F- to a F. :)
Wow, an F-. I thought the only way to get one of those was to draft poorly and then to go to the houses of the previous year's picks and hit them in the head with a lamp for good measure, lol.

[daEz0r]

maybe i'm being a little harsh. no way would i waste perfectly good lamps like that. you have persuaded me, i'll upgrade it to an F+, but i'm not budging anymore. :) :lol1:

[X-Factor13]

B, we made good with what we had. And we may have a future starter from the second day in the draft, definitley something to be happy about.

Also: anyone else happy we went with Landry instead of okoye/anderson? I think that we made the safest pick of the three. And even though I think the other two could be good, one isn't even 20 yet, and the other could've just been a one year wonder.

[BurgundyNGold]

I really, really want to know who voted "A". Those people, while entitled to their opinions, must have been in the garage with the car running when they voted, lol.

[Meatsnack]

Landry - a solid BPA-defense pick. I would argue that if you are going BPA that Peterson would have been a better get. But we needed defense more and Landry and Willis were clearly the two most "can't miss" picks in this draft on defense.
Sartz - OK, he can run, blitz and cover. He is weak but has long arms and can fight off blocks. If we can get him in the weight room, he is MW's heir-apparent. If not, he'll be playing in Canada in '08.
H.B. Blades - I love this pick. Blades has better production than any MLB in this draft and, while he doesn't have straight-line speed, his playing speed is very good due to his knowledge of the game and anticipation.
Palmer - Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Houston. This guy was a UDFA waiting to happen. A wasted pick.
Ecker - Arizona stole Patrick from us when we wasted the previous pick on Palmer. This guy is not a consolation prize. Most o-linemen have better quickness and speed than this guy and the guy can't catch. This is Manny White all over again.

In short, when you only have 5 total picks, you can't waste even one. Gibbs and Co. need to produce in '07 or the bankruptcy of their personnel approach is clear. Grade D.

[joethefan]

I still don't understand the Palmer Pick....I thought we still have casey bramlett

[whitskins]

I still don't understand the Palmer Pick....I thought we still have casey bramlett


Bramlett is playing poorly in NFL Europe, I think they've given up on him.

They're looking for a long term backup and I think they believe Palmer has NFL ability, whereas Bramlett does not. With Brunell in his last year in all likelihood and Collins looking to get the snip, Palmer has a clear path to the backup spot in 08 if he is up to the task.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Ok, according to a lot of "expert" grades, we had the worst draft in the league:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2854030

[Hr fan]

Bell curve looks like my college grades. LOL.

Because we lost 2 (Holdman, Posey) and 2 are 30+ (Washington, Fletcher-Baker).

[Hr fan]

Is Bramlet done?

As for Ecker, I hope he makes the team, but this franchise's history with 7th rounders doesn't paint any high hopes for him, or anybody else we could have taken there.

Like many, I thought that the DL needed addressing, but I really don't think guys we draft in the 5th and 6th round are going to be able to break into the starting lineup in their first year. Hopefully, the Skins will unearth some talent in the UDFA market to at least compete at DT and DE.

Was Bramlett ever an option?

Due to family matters I am frequently in Detroit, and have watched Ecker play. He's a good blocker, especially in pass pro, and an outstanding receiver when tightly covered (visions of the red zone dance in my head).

Could not agree with you more. FA don't cost anything, yet we have signed only 1 OL (raising our total to 9, not enuf for training camp) and one DL (ditto on training camp). It's not a question any longer about ignoring the obvious, it is sheer stupidity to go into camp with 3 of your top 18 linemen under 30 and expect to start the season with fresh regulars, and to avoid early injuries from overuse!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I gave it a generous D.
Positives:
-Landry. He's probably the best, or at worst second best player in the draft.
-Not trading away next year's picks (although if we had traded for Branch I would not have been upset).
-Blades apparently is a steal.

Negatives:
-Not addressing our biggest need by far, defensive line, with any of our 5 picks.
-Not having a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick for reasons I choose to not type because it's too painful.
-Ignoring the fact that our defensive line last year was absolutely horrible.
-Not picking a defensive end or a defensive tackle.
-Not realizing that some of our defensive lineman are older than Gibbs.
-Not taking Okoye or Anderson with the 6th pick.
-Forcing us to see Philip Daniels start at DE for another whole season.
-Basically, at the end of the day, only getting one player that will make any kind of contribution next year.

[danny's stogie]

I gave it a generous D.
Positives:
-Landry. He's probably the best, or at worst second best player in the draft.
-Not trading away next year's picks (although if we had traded for Branch I would not have been upset).
-Blades apparently is a steal.

Negatives:
-Not addressing our biggest need by far, defensive line, with any of our 5 picks.
-Not having a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick for reasons I choose to not type because it's too painful.
-Ignoring the fact that our defensive line last year was absolutely horrible.
-Not picking a defensive end or a defensive tackle.
-Not realizing that some of our defensive lineman are older than Gibbs.
-Not taking Okoye or Anderson with the 6th pick.
-Forcing us to see Philip Daniels start at DE for another whole season.
-Basically, at the end of the day, only getting one player that will make any kind of contribution next year.

Thats' blasphemy! Calvin Johnson was not just the best player in the draft, he was the second, third, fourth,....Landry was the 79th best player after Calivn Johnson at 78. Any team not drafting CJ gets no better than a D grade.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Thats' blasphemy! Calvin Johnson was not just the best player in the draft, he was the second, third, fourth,....Landry was the 79th best player after Calivn Johnson at 78. Any team not drafting CJ gets no better than a D grade.
Sorry, I meant to say he was the best defensive player coming out of college.
I'm really sorry..to punish myself I'm gonna carve the letters CJ into my chest and then pray in front of the 12 CJ posters I have put up in my room.

[openallnight]

Grading a draft the day after it's over is a fool's errand.
So, I'll give it a shot ;
In order to be somewhat objective I think you must come up with set of criteria for evaluating. The simplest would probably be # of eventual starters.
So, I'll use this scale
5+ - A
4 - B
3 - C
2 - D
0-1 - F

I figure LL is a no brainer to start sooner rather than later.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid he may be the only one of the bunch, though. So, I'll have to give an F. In my class not having 2nd, 3rd and 4th pix really hurts your grade.

After a little more investigation I think I'll upgrade my grade to a D. I think there's a shot 1 of these LBs may actually work out in this league. Most likely Blades. He seems like a "real" football player. It would be a real steal if this guy turns out to be a solid starter for us one day.

[danny's stogie]

Sorry, I meant to say he was the best defensive player coming out of college.
I'm really sorry..to punish myself I'm gonna carve the letters CJ into my chest and then pray in front of the 12 CJ posters I have put up in my room.

Even on defense CJ is still the best player. The fear of him on the other sideline causes opposing offenses to sputter.

[redwolf1218]

After a little more investigation I think I'll upgrade my grade to a D. I think there's a shot 1 of these LBs may actually work out in this league. Most likely Blades. He seems like a "real" football player. It would be a real steal if this guy turns out to be a solid starter for us one day.
i agree about Blades. it's hard to grade a draft with so few picks, but i think this year we basically added 2 players, Landry and Blades, unless one of the QB's can push Bramlet...

i dont know, it seems i'm high on the new linebackers every year and they dont pan out (Havner, Simon, McCune, Newberry, etc), but maybe that will change with Lindsey gone.

[Skins7ny]

I still don't understand the Palmer Pick....I thought we still have casey bramlett

The fact that they drafted Palmer, and then signed Hollenback as a UFA, means that Bramlet is a goner. You don't take more than 4 or 5 QBs into camp, and it appears that both Brunell and Collins will be there. Doing the math, that means Bramlet is toast.

He was really promising it seems, until he actually had to play!

[James F. Quinn]

The fact that they drafted Palmer, and then signed Hollenback as a UFA, means that Bramlet is a goner. You don't take more than 4 or 5 QBs into camp, and it appears that both Brunell and Collins will be there. Doing the math, that means Bramlet is toast.

He was really promising it seems, until he actually had to play!

I think that Barmlet gets a roster limit waiver for some time through TC. They still have to see Dollenbach, Palmer, and Bramlet working out, throwing the ball, executing the mechanics, etc. before deciding who's first out of camp.

Sometimes side-by-side comparisons show up flaws.

[Skins7ny]

I think that Barmlet gets a roster limit waiver for some time through TC. They still have to see Dollenbach, Palmer, and Bramlet working out, throwing the ball, executing the mechanics, etc. before deciding who's first out of camp.

Sometimes side-by-side comparisons show up flaws.

You are right, I believe that Bramlet has a roster exemption through the first cuts in August, but the Skins are not going to bring 6 QBs to camp. If he is not playing well in Europe, I bet he gets cut before camp. The Skins allocated 8 guys last year, and I believe they cut 4 of them before camp. I think that you are only allowed 5 NFL Europa exemptions this year, and I suspect that they will sign someone at another position (DE? OL?) to take Bramlet's spot by the time camp starts.

[coffdogg]

I think the best thing about the draft for the skins was twofold.1)The Skins didn't feel they would get fair value for the 6 pick so they took the highest rated D player on most teams boards(very good)2)They did like they said and didn't mortgage next years draft for this year.To me I wasn't really enamored with the late round draft picks this year like years past.So in those respects I think it's an A for that but for the sheer lack of picks and not addressing the D line makes it a C.

[lorimike]

Originally I thought we would do Okoye or Anderson, but I can live with Landry, he is going to make an immediate impact next year and that's what you need from a #6 (of course Anderson is going to be really good too- Okoye was a little bit of a roll of the dice).

On day two, I like most people, wanted DL but I started thinking, didn't the LBs suck last year? Washington played hurt but Marshal and Holdman were overwhelmed, and the depth behind them what a black hole of nothingness. So in a post day one interview when Gibbs said LB depth, I believed him. Now our LBs seem better than they were last year.

This is how I see the LBs this year:

Sam: M. Washington, D. Starz

Mike: L. Fletcher, H.B. Blades/Cambell

Will: L. Marshal/R. McIntosh

I like that Marshal can move back to the Will where he is MUCH better. McIntosh may have to wait anoter year, but all three young LBs should see the field on more than just ST.<<<

This is how it will shake out. Landry will not be able to beat out Prioleau cause the defense is sooooo complicated( sarcasm) The rest of the picks will be cut.

[Meatsnack]

Sorry, I meant to say he was the best defensive player coming out of college.
I'm really sorry..to punish myself I'm gonna carve the letters CJ into my chest and then pray in front of the 12 CJ posters I have put up in my room.
You are forgiven, my son. Say 12 Hail Calvin's and 12 Our Johnsons and..why are you laughing?

[Skinreds]

ya im cutting in here, but i was watching cold pizza this morning, and one of the NFL reporters that is there most of the time(forgot his name) was being asked to "look into the future" and predict the 2008 draft.

They didnt address what teams picked who, but they predicted who was picking first in the top 10. Guess what team was picking first for the 2008 draft???



Yup the skins...he said that if jason campbell doesnt pan out and the fact that we didnt address the DLINE we most likely will end up with the first pick in 2008.

my jaw dropped when i heard that....i know we werent good last season and we should have addressed the line sometime in the draft, but we arent THAT bad, not that bad where we will get the number one pick...I dont know, what do you guys think about that?

i forgot what the top 5 picks were that he predicted but i remember the 2nd pick was for miami and the 3rd pick was for the cowboys(from the browns ttrade)

Ok, one more thing. LETS SAY we had the 1st pick in the draft next year, and Darren Mcfadden came out and he was the #1 prospect of the draft. Do we trade portis for some picks? Then pick up mcfadden? Would you want that superfreak on our team?....Just a thought i had

[RicFlairOne]

ya im cutting in here, but i was watching cold pizza this morning, and one of the NFL reporters that is there most of the time(forgot his name) was being asked to "look into the future" and predict the 2008 draft.

They didnt address what teams picked who, but they predicted who was picking first in the top 10. Guess what team was picking first for the 2008 draft???



Yup the skins...he said that if jason campbell doesnt pan out and the fact that we didnt address the DLINE we most likely will end up with the first pick in 2008.

my jaw dropped when i heard that....i know we werent good last season and we should have addressed the line sometime in the draft, but we arent THAT bad, not that bad where we will get the number one pick...I dont know, what do you guys think about that?

i forgot what the top 5 picks were that he predicted but i remember the 2nd pick was for miami and the 3rd pick was for the cowboys(from the browns ttrade)

Ok, one more thing. LETS SAY we had the 1st pick in the draft next year, and Darren Mcfadden came out and he was the #1 prospect of the draft. Do we trade portis for some picks? Then pick up mcfadden? Would you want that superfreak on our team?....Just a thought i had

If they said it on Cold Pizza that means the Skins will win the Super Bowl. They are idiots!!!

[Hr fan]

i agree about Blades. it's hard to grade a draft with so few picks, but i think this year we basically added 2 players, Landry and Blades, unless one of the QB's can push Bramlet...

i dont know, it seems i'm high on the new linebackers every year and they dont pan out (Havner, Simon, McCune, Newberry, etc), but maybe that will change with Lindsey gone.

Didn't pan out for a reason. Havner (I really hoped he would make it) showed why he went undrafted, not why he was ranked 3-4 rounder. Simon never had a chance - he had lost too much to injury, and was borderline on measurables, particularly height, to begin with. Newberry made plays in college but was too slow to do the same in the pros. (In defense of this pick remember that the Patriots, a superior organization in evaluating tralent, picked him up.) McCune was a measurables wonder and a good story but not a football player.

Why do we like Blades? He was super productive and IS a football player. Why are less sure of Starz (other than his first name)? He can make plays but does not appear to be either agressive or tough. Unless the coaches are considering Starz as a rushing/cover LB good on ST only he may disappoint. But IMO both have a better chance of making it than those chosen in the past.

[jtovb2005]

I find your humility a refreshing chage of pace to the 2,345.7 register Mel Kipers we have. For my part, I do research.... I'm just not bright enough to articulate my thoughts outside of a collection of grunts and hand gestures. Thankfully the gestures don't translate on a message board. :D

Lol, I can't tell if that is good or bad.

Growing up there was no College Football to speak of in the DC area. I was never a stats studier either. I just liked to crank up preseason and watch who does what. It just seems to me that it always so hit and miss with these kids. I always loved the underdog stories. Of course I sure like the Art Monks, Darrel Greens and Russ Grimms :)

[PennSkinsFan]

i agree about Blades. it's hard to grade a draft with so few picks, but i think this year we basically added 2 players, Landry and Blades, unless one of the QB's can push Bramlet...

i dont know, it seems i'm high on the new linebackers every year and they dont pan out (Havner, Simon, McCune, Newberry, etc), but maybe that will change with Lindsey gone.

My bet is, Bramlet is not even in the picture. I foresee a battle for the clipboard between Hollenbach and Palmer.

I don't really no much about Sartz except he ios a good tackler. I ssuspect Sartz can make the team on special teams the way he talks about STs.

One draft removed, I will be interested to see if Lefotu, coming back healthy, can make a bid to add depth to the offensive line.

[meloveskinslongtime]

you cant grade this draft class for at least 2-3 years.

everyone could end up being a bust = F
everyone could end up starting or being quality draft = A


I dont like it when people try to put a grade on the draft without seeing exactly how their players do in the nfl first.

[bergiemoore]

My bet is, Bramlet is not even in the picture. I foresee a battle for the clipboard between Hollenbach and Palmer.

I don't really no much about Sartz except he ios a good tackler. I ssuspect Sartz can make the team on special teams the way he talks about STs.

One draft removed, I will be interested to see if Lefotu, coming back healthy, can make a bid to add depth to the offensive line.

I'm guessing that Bramlet and Palmer are battling it out for the clipboard. The loser goes to the practice squad. Brunell and Collins will be fighting for the #2. The loser goes home. The good money's on Brunell for that one. Hollenbach is competition for the PS QB.

[redskin_rich]

I'm guessing that Bramlet and Palmer are battling it out for the clipboard. The loser goes to the practice squad. Brunell and Collins will be fighting for the #2. The loser goes home. The good money's on Brunell for that one. Hollenbach is competition for the PS QB.
Bramlet could have a roster exemption for playing in Europe, so he is not necessarily fighting for a roster spot, only a practice squad spot. Palmer will have to show enough for the Skins to feel comfortable releasing Collins. That is how I see it anyway, Palmer vs Collins. I give the edge to Collins unless the Skins want to clear salary.
Where does that leave Palmer? Fighting for an actual PS spot, while Bramlet has the advantage of not counting. No way the Skins keep two QB's on the PS, even if one is exempted.
Hollenbach is fodder, unless a string of injuries strikes the Skins QB's in camp.

[colkurtz]

Bramlet could have a roster exemption for playing in Europe, so he is not necessarily fighting for a roster spot, only a practice squad spot. Palmer will have to show enough for the Skins to feel comfortable releasing Collins. That is how I see it anyway, Palmer vs Collins. I give the edge to Collins unless the Skins want to clear salary.
Where does that leave Palmer? Fighting for an actual PS spot, while Bramlet has the advantage of not counting. No way the Skins keep two QB's on the PS, even if one is exempted.
Hollenbach is fodder, unless a string of injuries strikes the Skins QB's in camp.

Palmer will either replace Collins or Bramlet in NFL Europa. Man I would love him to replace Collins....

[redskins567]

Ill give the draft a B. I think we could have used the 6th pick a little better.

[whitskins]

Bramlet could have a roster exemption for playing in Europe, so he is not necessarily fighting for a roster spot, only a practice squad spot. Palmer will have to show enough for the Skins to feel comfortable releasing Collins. That is how I see it anyway, Palmer vs Collins. I give the edge to Collins unless the Skins want to clear salary.
Where does that leave Palmer? Fighting for an actual PS spot, while Bramlet has the advantage of not counting. No way the Skins keep two QB's on the PS, even if one is exempted.
Hollenbach is fodder, unless a string of injuries strikes the Skins QB's in camp.


JLC believes that Brunell and Collins are in direct competion for the backup job, with the loser getting the snip. He thinks Brunell is the backup unless his shoulder gives out after surgery. That's why Collins is still here.

I don't think they keep both. Assuming that MB's shoulder is ok, Collins has no reason to still be here. He knows the offense, but he can't execute it, as was evidenced last year in his woeful preseason. He's 35 years old. I think they would have gotten rid of him and cleared his salary already if MB's shoulder weren't a concern.

If Palmer is in direct competition with Collins, Palmer should get the nod. He at least has some kind of upside and a potential future in the league, if only as a backup. In a year MB and Collins will likely both be out of the league, so they should make room for Palmer on the roster and make sure that he doesn't get poached by another team.

[redskin_rich]

JLC believes that Brunell and Collins are in direct competion for the backup job, with the loser getting the snip. He thinks Brunell is the backup unless his shoulder gives out after surgery. That's why Collins is still here.

I don't think they keep both. Assuming that MB's shoulder is ok, Collins has no reason to still be here. He knows the offense, but he can't execute it, as was evidenced last year in his woeful preseason. He's 35 years old. I think they would have gotten rid of him and cleared his salary already if MB's shoulder weren't a concern.

If Palmer is in direct competition with Collins, Palmer should get the nod. He at least has some kind of upside and a potential future in the league, if only as a backup. In a year MB and Collins will likely both be out of the league, so they should make room for Palmer on the roster and make sure that he doesn't get poached by another team.
I saw JLC's veiw on this but I just don't buy it. For starters, there is no way the Skins would cut Brunell, after he has repeatedly worked with the team on his contracts. It would be a cold slap in the face and Gibbs wouldn't do that to a class guy like Brunell. He is safe.

As far as Collins goes, if J Campbell had another year or two under his belt, it would even merit discussion, Collins would be gone. But with an inexperienced starter and a very old backup, I don't see Gibbs giving the 3rd spot to an unheralded rookie.
I'm basing this on my prior knowledge of Gibbs and how he works, so take it for what it's worth.

[redskin_rich]

Just to add another thing, though I'm not at all confident in Palmer, it wasn't that we drafted him that bothers me, it's when we took him. We should have grabbed Ben Patrick with that pick and Palmer would have likely been there for our last pick.

[cmdlost29]

Ok I graded the draft pretty good. My reasoning is based on the fact that I'm going with what we had, not what we could have had (lost picks). If you throw in the lost picks for busted players this was a D rated draft, if you don't and just grade what we got I believe this is a B rated draft.

1. Landry will be nasty and I'm excited about seeing TO go across the middle on us and Laron introducing himself. Great pickup!!!

2. Sartz I don't know much about but I can't remember the last time ESPN gave us the 5th best sleeper pick in any draft. That tells me that he must be good so good pickup.

3. Blades I don't know much about this guy but his numbers are solid and his bloodline is awesome. From what I've been reading this guy only fell to us because of his height and LF is the same height, I like it!!!

4. Palmer, I know his brother is awesome and I totally understand the reasoning behind the pick. Brunell and Collins likely wont be here next offseason so we need some new blood. I know his INT's last season were horrible but during the draft I recall hearing that alot of them were not his fault and he's got a cannon arm. The way I see this pick is IF (and thats a big IF) coaching him leads to better decision making then this could be the steal of the draft. Taking a flier on this kid will likely be a busted pick but there is a chance he could be very good so I like the gamble. Best case senario for this pick is our coaches make him a better player and he impresses during the preseason. Campbell is awesome and like Atlanta had with its two headed monster Palmer becomes expendable in a few years and we end up trading him for a number one draft pick to a team that needs a QB. Hey I can dream can't I? Trading a 6th round pick for a number one? Could be awesome


5. The Ecker pick kinda sucked. It was obvious we wanted the player picked right before this kid. I think he was picked because we didn't have a backup plan in case the other guy was gone in time and they played the same position. I would have rather had a DLmen but I can live with this pick.

[Canuck]

Bramlet could have a roster exemption for playing in Europe, so he is not necessarily fighting for a roster spot, only a practice squad spot. Palmer will have to show enough for the Skins to feel comfortable releasing Collins. That is how I see it anyway, Palmer vs Collins. I give the edge to Collins unless the Skins want to clear salary.
Where does that leave Palmer? Fighting for an actual PS spot, while Bramlet has the advantage of not counting. No way the Skins keep two QB's on the PS, even if one is exempted.
Hollenbach is fodder, unless a string of injuries strikes the Skins QB's in camp.

Playing in NFL Europa only gives you an exemption from the offseason roster. Once you cut down to either 65 or 53 the exemption is gone. Playing in NFL Europa also does not give you an exemption for the PS. Bramlet's isn't eligible for the PS because he's been around too long. He either makes the 53 man roster or he's gone. From what I've seen of his play in Europa this year, he has no chance of making the 53 man roster.

With that being said, I see both Bramlet and Hallenbach as fodder. Palmer is fighting with Collins for the #3 QB roster spot.

[skinsfan36]

you would have to think if you ever watched hollenbach that he may not even finish this weekend as a redskin. he will probably be replaced by a tryout guy like kyle young.

[James F. Quinn]

you would have to think if you ever watched hollenbach that he may not even finish this weekend as a redskin. he will probably be replaced by a tryout guy like kyle young.

A nod to the locals, but strictly training camp fodder.

SOMEONE has to throw their arm off working out with Lloyd and Keyshawn. LOL

[Redskin4Life]

I'm going to have to give the team's draft an INCOMPLETE. If Landry is the stud he's expected to be, I'll give us a passing grade but if we have 1-2 of our 2nd day picks pan out.... the team gets an A in my book.

[Dept_of_Defense]

McCune is a Dolphin and Clemons is out of the league.
son of a........

[Hr fan]

you cant grade this draft class for at least 2-3 years.

everyone could end up being a bust = F
everyone could end up starting or being quality draft = A


I dont like it when people try to put a grade on the draft without seeing exactly how their players do in the nfl first.

Agreed you can't put a grade on a draft this early that would avoid re-evaluation down the road. What we are doing is human nature, and really talking about the FO. For instance, the grade improves because we didn't trade future picks, and gets lowered because we did trade future picks last year. Also, we have opinions about the characteristics of the players drafted. Is he an athlete or a football player (you have to draft high to get both in one player). Does he seem immune to becoming rich? Do we agree with the assessment of team needs that affected what we were looking for (no argument that LBs were needed, but disagreement that DL not addressed in either draft or UFA)? These questions are opinion material and we express our opinion in draft grades on the FO. On players look 3-4 years down stream, as you point out.

[redwolf1218]

My bet is, Bramlet is not even in the picture. I foresee a battle for the clipboard between Hollenbach and Palmer.

I don't really no much about Sartz except he ios a good tackler. I ssuspect Sartz can make the team on special teams the way he talks about STs.

One draft removed, I will be interested to see if Lefotu, coming back healthy, can make a bid to add depth to the offensive line.
Sartz had his best season last year, recording 70 tackles, 9.5 tackles for a loss, seven sacks and five pass break-ups.

pretty well-rounded stats. he missed his junior year with an injury and was red-shirted. if he had compiled those stats 2 years in a row, he might have gone higher in the draft. he's tall at 6'-4", but thin at 230. i'm hoping he will be a good one to groom to back up Marcus.