Dolphin fans react to draft pick

[InsomniaKiller]

This video made me chuckle. I love the look on the old lady's face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM

[shally]

This video made me chuckle. I love the look on the old lady's face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM

cam is going tohave an interesting year.. particularly if they retain culpepper and he flames out again...

[chrisbcbu]

here is what my friend(dolphin fan) sent me. He says this is what they think of the drafting of ginn jr.

http://xs314.xs.to/xs314/07181/GimpDolphin.jpg

[shally]

nice... about sums it up....

[Red Bear]

here is what my friend(dolphin fan) sent me. He says this is what they think of the drafting of ginn jr.

hahahaha that is hilarious

[RedskinRyan]

rofl!

grandma didnt look too happy

[SpicyMcHaggis]

:lol1:

[smoak]

rofl!

grandma didnt look too happy

i saw that on sunday and just about peed my pants. meanwhile, my brother was praying for "anyone but quinn" and had to live with his surprise... the rest of the day he had to deal with my drunken rhymes about the pick being ginn not quinn.

[shally]

i saw that on sunday and just about peed my pants. meanwhile, my brother was praying for "anyone but quinn" and had to live with his surprise... the rest of the day he had to deal with my drunken rhymes about the pick being ginn not quinn.

cruel.. but both funny and justified...

[CarMike]

I liked this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkB1fRDdfGI&NR=1

[GolfFreak]

Those are awesome!

[skinsfan36]

lol cameron is not a well liked man thats for sure

[SkinsfaninNJ]

My father-in-law (big Phins fan) nearly had a heart attack. You could see it coming too. Before the pick, ESPN was focused on Quinn and his phone isn't ringing. We're talking, and I'm saying why isn't his phone ringing?

This really could be one of those picks that sets the franchise back for some time.

[urobm]

LOL, an absolutely horrible pick by the Dolphins. What in the world were they thinking.

[WarEagle]

Good to see Miami's diverse population makeup booing the same thing for once. On the other tape, why was the coach saying "The Ginn family is an asset...blah blah"? What a weird defense of the selection.

[Canuck]

LOL, an absolutely horrible pick by the Dolphins. What in the world were they thinking.

Who did you think they should have drafted?

On my draft board I had Ginn a lot higher than Quinn. Ginn is a game changer as a returner and has some definite upside as a receiver. I'd rather have that than a QB that many predict will be a bust.

[S.Taylor36]

Who did you think they should have drafted?

On my draft board I had Ginn a lot higher than Quinn. Ginn is a game changer as a returner and has some definite upside as a receiver. I'd rather have that than a QB that many predict will be a bust.

I have to disagree. I think if you put Quinn in the right offense he will be a very good QB. Ginn went way too high and this guy has a Lisfranc sprain in his foot to boot. If the Dolphins get Trent Green how long will he be there for? 2 years max? Culpepper you don't know what they will do with him. You take Quinn, let him learn from a Trent Green and you have your QB for years to come. Horrible pick by the Dolphins but the fans reactions were great to watch.

[SkinsKY]

Who did you think they should have drafted?

On my draft board I had Ginn a lot higher than Quinn. Ginn is a game changer as a returner and has some definite upside as a receiver. I'd rather have that than a QB that many predict will be a bust.

Ginn has questionable hands and his speed measurements haven't bee that good, which is bad if you're known as a speed guy. Plus, a few teams wanted him to switch to corner. the #10 spot is still way to high to take a returner/project WR, he would have been available later.

[urobm]

Who did you think they should have drafted?

On my draft board I had Ginn a lot higher than Quinn. Ginn is a game changer as a returner and has some definite upside as a receiver. I'd rather have that than a QB that many predict will be a bust.


Im not all that high on Quinn, but I think he will be a good NFL QB. Ginn on the other hand is a game changer, bust it is simply based on the fact that he has world class speed. He is not a natural pass catcher, his routes are suspect and his toughness is questionable. I think as a receiver it will take him a while to adjust and produce. At this stage he is simply a returner. When you have as many needs as they have, you dont go with a project. Personally, I think they should have gone with Quinn, but if not Quinn maybe DL, or CB.

[Canuck]

Im not all that high on Quinn, but I think he will be a good NFL QB. Ginn on the other hand is a game changer, bust it is simply based on the fact that he has world class speed. He is not a natural pass catcher, his routes are suspect and his toughness is questionable. I think as a receiver it will take him a while to adjust and produce. At this stage he is simply a returner. When you have as many needs as they have, you dont go with a project. Personally, I think they should have gone with Quinn, but if not Quinn maybe DL, or CB.

He looks pretty good in this highlight film. I look at the film and I see good hands and he even breaks the odd tackle. I think he's a much better receiver than you guys are giving him credit for.

Highlight Film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg)

[smoak]

Who did you think they should have drafted?

On my draft board I had Ginn a lot higher than Quinn. Ginn is a game changer as a returner and has some definite upside as a receiver. I'd rather have that than a QB that many predict will be a bust.

Yeah, while I would not have drafted Ginn, I DEFINITELY wouldn't have taken Quinn.

[PyroGenic]

He looks pretty good in this highlight film. I look at the film and I see good hands and he even breaks the odd tackle. I think he's a much better receiver than you guys are giving him credit for.

Highlight Film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg)



A lot of the stuff he does in that video doesn't seem to work very well in the NFL. He's pretty damn fast though... anything else... not so much.

If anything it reinforces what people have been saying about him being a punt returner.

Call me crazy but he has some nice moves, maybe he could be used like the saints use bush? throw him in the slot or have him catching passes out of the backfield and let him do his thing.

Also, he might be a bust for the slot that miami took him in but he'd be awesome in madden :D

[akhhorus]

He looks pretty good in this highlight film. I look at the film and I see good hands and he even breaks the odd tackle. I think he's a much better receiver than you guys are giving him credit for.

Highlight Film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg)

I can find a highlight reel of Patrick Ramsey's 10 or so good fundamental throws in his career. Doesn't mean he's a good Qb. Ginn has great speed, but little else. He has terrible hands and lateral quickness. He might be Devin hester, but is that worth a top ten pick?

[CarMike]

He looks pretty good in this highlight film. I look at the film and I see good hands and he even breaks the odd tackle. I think he's a much better receiver than you guys are giving him credit for.

Highlight Film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg)
Who doesn't look good in a "highlight" film? That's why it's a highlight film. It takes their best moments and puts them all together.

Plus, i've read that Ginn may miss the start of training camp due to an old injury.

[dj_stouty]

Does he even catch passes over 15 yards? The vast majority of his receiving highlights on this reel show him taking a lot of under routes or short stuff. That may be good for the college game, but that isn't necessarily going to work in the NFL. In the NFL you need to be a crisp route runner.

He reminds me of the type of player who will never play 16 full games in his career.

[Canuck]

I can find a highlight reel of Patrick Ramsey's 10 or so good fundamental throws in his career. Doesn't mean he's a good Qb. Ginn has great speed, but little else. He has terrible hands and lateral quickness. He might be Devin hester, but is that worth a top ten pick?

Agreed that the highlight film isn't enough to make an evaluation. I just don't understand when Ginn became the next Pinkston. I watched most of Ohio State's games over the years and not once did I think Ginn had band hands or wasn't tough. He reminds me of S. Moss in the sense that his speed & quickness have to be respected at all times. One mistake against him and it's a TD. Players like that don't grow on trees.

If he's Devin Hester, then yes he's worth a top ten pick. Especially considering that Ginn is a better receiver than Hester is cornerback.

[akhhorus]

Agreed that the highlight film isn't enough to make an evaluation. I just don't understand when Ginn became the next Pinkston. I watched most of Ohio State's games over the years and not once did I think Ginn had band hands or wasn't tough. He reminds me of S. Moss in the sense that his speed & quickness have to be respected at all times. One mistake against him and it's a TD. Players like that don't grow on trees.

We can literally find dozens of players his speed or faster who did nothing in the NFL. Ginn is no different than any of those burners. Santana Moss is faster, but its his quickness, hands and route running that make him so dangerous. A WR is useless if he can't play the position.

If he's Devin Hester, then yes he's worth a top ten pick. Especially considering that Ginn is a better receiver than Hester is cornerback.

Hester was a great returner last year, but he wouldn't have been worth a top 10 pick. No returner is.

[Canuck]

He reminds me of the type of player who will never play 16 full games in his career.

What are you basing that on? Does he have a history of being injury prone and missing games?

I don't recall him missing any games at Ohio State due to injury.

[akhhorus]

What are you basing that on? Does he have a history of being injury prone and missing games?

I don't recall him missing any games at Ohio State due to injury.

He missed 3 games in 2004. But I think DJ is referring to his Lis Franc injury. Those are very tough to shake, especially for a WR. Coles had a variation of it on his foot, and he's still hasn't fully recovered, 3 years later.

[Canuck]

We can literally find dozens of players his speed or faster who did nothing in the NFL. Ginn is no different than any of those burners. Santana Moss is faster, but its his quickness, hands and route running that make him so dangerous. A WR is useless if he can't play the position.

Why do people think Ginn isn't quick or has bad hands? I don't see what people are basing this on. It just feels like people are stereotyping Ginn into a Pinkston like player. I think Ginn is closer to S. Moss (coming out of college) than he is to Pinkston.



Hester was a great returner last year, but he wouldn't have been worth a top 10 pick. No returner is.

I've changed my mind on this and have to agree with you. Hester was not worth a top ten pick mainly because of his fumbles. I don't see Ginn having the same fumbling issues that Hester had though.

[Canuck]

He missed 3 games in 2004. But I think DJ is referring to his Lis Franc injury. Those are very tough to shake, especially for a WR. Coles had a variation of it on his foot, and he's still hasn't fully recovered, 3 years later.

The are two types of LisFranc injuries:
1. simple dislocation (ligament only) or
2. fracture and dislocation.

My understanding is the Coles had the second type. I don't know what type Ginn has. If it's the first type then he should recover fully. If it's the second type then I agree you take him off your draft board. Shally, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[urobm]

I can find a highlight reel of Patrick Ramsey's 10 or so good fundamental throws in his career. Doesn't mean he's a good Qb. Ginn has great speed, but little else. He has terrible hands and lateral quickness. He might be Devin hester, but is that worth a top ten pick?


LOL, very true we can go back and get highlight reels of Desmond Howard and Michael Westbrook as well. They amounted to nothing on Sundays, so this guy is very much a reach at #9. I thought he would fall down to KC.

[akhhorus]

Why do people think Ginn isn't quick or has bad hands? I don't see what people are basing this on. It just feels like people are stereotyping Ginn into a Pinkston like player. I think Ginn is closer to S. Moss (coming out of college) than he is to Pinkston.

Moss had production at Miami and was a top flight WR(2500 receiving yards at Miami). Ginn wasn't. He barely led the Buckeyes in recieving in his senior year, Gonzalez had just about the same stats(Gonzalez's YPC was higher-which says a lot). Moss also has much more than just his speed, he's a complete WR who just needed the opportunity. Ginn is a burner, but never showed he can run more than fly/post variants. I don't think Pinkston is a good comparison, I think Ginn will be like Nate Burleson. Same skill set.

I've changed my mind on this and have to agree with you. Hester was not worth a top ten pick mainly because of his fumbles. I don't see Ginn having the same fumbling issues that Hester had though.

Hester had an amazing season as a returner, but no returner is worth a top ten pick. Hester had arguably the greatest season as a returner, and he had only 5 TDs.

The are two types of LisFranc injuries:
1. simple dislocation (ligament only) or
2. fracture and dislocation.

My understanding is the Coles had the second type. I don't know what type Ginn has. If it's the first type then he should recover fully. If it's the second type then I agree you take him off your draft board. Shally, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Coles did have the 2nd. No one is sure what kind Ginn has, because he's been extremely coy about it(and the teams who have examined him have been also). What I do know is that he(and his people) keep saying that he's still nowhere near 100% and he injured it 4+ months ago.

[Skins57]

Awesome videos...can't say we haven't felt that way sometimes too.
that being said remember McNabb was booed as he was not Ricky Williams a few years back

[urobm]

He looks pretty good in this highlight film. I look at the film and I see good hands and he even breaks the odd tackle. I think he's a much better receiver than you guys are giving him credit for.

Highlight Film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg)


I agree, that maybe he has gotten somewhat of a bad rap, but he is a project. He is very thin too, so those tackles he broke in college, he wont do it at this level. When you have a chance at a franchise QB or a WR, you gotta take the QB, especially with their current situation.

[redwolf1218]

i am surprised they took Ginn at that spot, but for some reason Quinn reminds me of Rick Mirer.

[Aurej]

I live across the street from the Dolphins trainging camp the fans were PISSED. About 30 people were escorted out for rowdiness and public intoxication. I find it hard to believe anyone was drunk at 6 dollars a beer.

[urobm]

i am surprised they took Ginn at that spot, but for some reason Quinn reminds me of Rick Mirer.


Clevland better hope he's not a Rick Mirer because they gave up allot to get him. The worst thing about it is that they traded that #1 pick next year to the Cowgirls of all teams.