Wynn Restructures Contract

[JsMaViSd]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20070503-115740-6806r.htm

Notes -- Defensive end Renaldo Wynn renegotiated his contract, saving the Redskins $1.52 million on the salary cap. Cornerback David Macklin and offensive tackle Jason Fabini both signed one-year deals with $40,000 bonuses on top of the veteran minimum base salary. ... Washington's rookie pool is $3.4 million.

good to hear..

[urobm]

Smart decision, good locker room guy and hardworker. He is not a starter at this point of his career but his leadership is unquestioned.

[JsMaViSd]

Smart decision, good locker room guy and hardworker. He is not a starter at this point of his career but his leadership is unquestioned.

this is very true, hes a good depth player

[dj_stouty]

Ok...that makes me feel a little bit better about his cap hit this year.

[JsMaViSd]

Ok...that makes me feel a little bit better about his cap hit this year.

yes, looks like hes gonna save us a good amount

[fent]

still restructuring people this season? more smoke that there's another move coming.

[JsMaViSd]

still restructuring people this season? more smoke that there's another move coming.

yea makes you wonder who there gonna break the bank for

[dj_stouty]

still restructuring people this season? more smoke that there's another move coming.

No kidding. Just another reason not to trust anything coming out of the mouth of Joe Gibbs around the draft.

They say they are comfortable with the D-line...and they have said they are not going to move any '08 picks this season in trades. I think they will get caught lying about both fairly soon.

Unless this is one big Coup to trade the Lions for CJ!?!?! :imshock:

[JsMaViSd]

Unless this is one big Coup to trade the Lions for CJ!?!?! :imshock:
plz dont say that

[redskin_rich]

No kidding. Just another reason not to trust anything coming out of the mouth of Joe Gibbs around the draft.

They say they are comfortable with the D-line...and they have said they are not going to move any '08 picks this season in trades. I think they will get caught lying about both fairly soon.

Unless this is one big Coup to trade the Lions for CJ!?!?! :imshock:
No, we are going to trade for another Linebacker. :awesomewo

[urobm]

plz dont say that


I second that, please just leave that topic alone.

[dj_stouty]

No, we are going to trade for another Linebacker. :awesomewo

Or trade to get another Safety. Maybe Roy Williams?:sleeping:

[Red Bear]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20070503-115740-6806r.htm

Notes -- Defensive end Renaldo Wynn renegotiated his contract, saving the Redskins $1.52 million on the salary cap. Cornerback David Macklin and offensive tackle Jason Fabini both signed one-year deals with $40,000 bonuses on top of the veteran minimum base salary. ... Washington's rookie pool is $3.4 million.

good to hear..

the times is about a week late with this info about wynn restructuring. i read it last week i believe and even mentioned it in one of the defensive line threads yesterday. the only thing new from that is the rookie pool figure

[JsMaViSd]

No, we are going to trade for another Linebacker. :awesomewo

:banghead:

[smoak]

I love Wynn and don't understand why he wasn't /isn't in the rotation at DT?? Wynn is not and never was a 10 sack guy, but you'd be harder pressed to find someone who does as good of a job against the run.

[dj_stouty]

I love Wynn and don't understand why he wasn't /isn't in the rotation at DT?? Wynn is not and never was a 10 sack guy, but you'd be harder pressed to find someone who does as good of a job against the run.

I wouldnt' mind seeing a little more of him in rotation as well, especially on rushing downs. He gets paid way too much money to get 15 tackles a season.

[bgforever]

Good move for the team, good move for Wynn and I hate to say it, but it "bought him time" on the roster. However, as you guys pointed out, his leadership, enthusiasm and ties is unquestionable. Like Mitchell, Byner, others, he's a fixture in the area too. He should make the transition to depth player along the entire line smoothly, because he has experience in every position. Just wish he were a bit younger when JG came back.

[LATrueRedskin]

Smart decision, good locker room guy and hardworker. He is not a starter at this point of his career but his leadership is unquestioned.

Well said.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I love Wynn and don't understand why he wasn't /isn't in the rotation at DT?? Wynn is not and never was a 10 sack guy, but you'd be harder pressed to find someone who does as good of a job against the run.
That was one of many many questionable moves by GW last season. Since we're apparently keeping him and we're paying him too, we might wanna figure out a wasy to actually use him productively.

[skinswin]

Wynn has no buisness on this team anymore. He's done. And for the FO to keep giving this guy money to restructure is another in a long list of signs that the FO doesn't have a clue.

Our D-line is one of the worse, if not the worse in the league. And they give this guy more money? Please.

Our offense should be great this season but our defense will be bad. We will resemble the Kansas City Chiefs of 3 years ago and we will score alot of points, but give up alot of points. In other words, a 6-10 season. :rolleyes:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wynn has no buisness on this team anymore. He's done. And for the FO to keep giving this guy money to restructure is another in a long list of signs that the FO doesn't have a clue.

Our D-line is one of the worse, if not the worse in the league. And they give this guy more money? Please.

Our offense should be great this season but our defense will be bad. We will resemble the Kansas City Chiefs of 3 years ago and we will score alot of points, but give up alot of points. In other words, a 6-10 season. :rolleyes:
Well, since the Chiefs have won no less than 7 games in the last 5 years, and have had 1 losing season in that span, I would be ecstatic if we were anything like them.

[smoak]

I wouldnt' mind seeing a little more of him in rotation as well, especially on rushing downs. He gets paid way too much money to get 15 tackles a season.

Yeah, but I don't fault him... He is on the sidelines ready to go almost all the time. I just wish we would rotate a little bit to take pressure/were & tear off these guys. Carter should have been a situational pass rusher for most of last season IMO. Sure he got into the grrove by the end, but to not use guys like Evans and Wynn more is wrong IMO.

[skinfan43]

Wynn has no buisness on this team anymore. He's done. And for the FO to keep giving this guy money to restructure is another in a long list of signs that the FO doesn't have a clue.

Our D-line is one of the worse, if not the worse in the league. And they give this guy more money? Please.

Our offense should be great this season but our defense will be bad. We will resemble the Kansas City Chiefs of 3 years ago and we will score alot of points, but give up alot of points. In other words, a 6-10 season. :rolleyes:
Blahblahblahblah...if you can't see the value of having a smart vet like Wynn here tutoring Golston and Monty, let alone helping the rookie backers and Landry to learn GW's D, you are nuts. Yeah, the D played like crap last season, but our secondary additions, clean bills health for guys like Griff, MW, and Springs, and having LFB in the middle won't put us at least in the top 15-20 this season? Being negative is one thing, but c'mon man...:rolleyes:

[Hr fan]

Wynn has no buisness on this team anymore. He's done. And for the FO to keep giving this guy money to restructure is another in a long list of signs that the FO doesn't have a clue.

Our D-line is one of the worse, if not the worse in the league. And they give this guy more money? Please.

Our offense should be great this season but our defense will be bad. We will resemble the Kansas City Chiefs of 3 years ago and we will score alot of points, but give up alot of points. In other words, a 6-10 season. :rolleyes:

When I take off my rose colored glasses I am forced to agree. Wynn was underused last year because he wasn't what the D needed. He may be a wonderful person but is no longer capable of leading by example. Restructuring = shifting when the money is paid. This just locks up a roster spot for a very marginal player who is a good human being while moving us closer to cap hell.

[Swirvi]

Wynn has no buisness on this team anymore. He's done. And for the FO to keep giving this guy money to restructure is another in a long list of signs that the FO doesn't have a clue.

Our D-line is one of the worse, if not the worse in the league. And they give this guy more money? Please.

Our offense should be great this season but our defense will be bad. We will resemble the Kansas City Chiefs of 3 years ago and we will score alot of points, but give up alot of points. In other words, a 6-10 season. :rolleyes:

ummm...what?

Nothing you say makes any sense. For one, to cut him would mean taking a salary cap hit. He's not the most productive player on the field, but he is certainly more productive than any undrafted free agent we could bring in to replace him. On top of that, he is worth his weight in gold in leadership, knowledge, experience, and respect. He is basically the "Ray Brown" of the Defensive Line, and I have no problem paying him the money to be just that, especially when he is willing to restructure his contract for ust to, more than likely, bring in his replacement for the future.

Secondly, it's spelled "worst", not "worse".

Thirdly, exactly what about our offense gives you the warm and fuzzy inside that we will be like a Kansas City offensive scoring machine? I'd sell my soul to have an offensive season like that. A healthy Clinton Portis and a QB with all of 5 starts under his belt and all of a sudden we're going to triple our output in points?

[Hr fan]

Yeah, but I don't fault him... He is on the sidelines ready to go almost all the time. I just wish we would rotate a little bit to take pressure/were & tear off these guys. Carter should have been a situational pass rusher for most of last season IMO. Sure he got into the grrove by the end, but to not use guys like Evans and Wynn more is wrong IMO.

Daniels is hurt and largely ineffective, but Wynn, the past starting end at that position, sits. Carter is ineffective against the run mfor 10 games and Wynn sits. Could there be a reason for this related to ability to perform?

[fent]

just ignore skinswin...he shows up to whine when something "bad" happens (last time i checked restructuring isn't a bad thing) but never shows up if we win or take the time to congratulate the team or FO for doing something good.

[SellerDoor45]

Gibbs wants people to step up in the redzone. It sounds like they may make another move.


I'm just going to whisper it because I don't wanna scare anybody.....

Keyshawnnnnnnnn

[Hr fan]

ummm...what?

Nothing you say makes any sense. For one, to cut him would mean taking a salary cap hit. He's not the most productive player on the field, but he is certainly more productive than any undrafted free agent we could bring in to replace him. On top of that, he is worth his weight in gold in leadership, knowledge, experience, and respect. He is basically the "Ray Brown" of the Defensive Line, and I have no problem paying him the money to be just that, especially when he is willing to restructure his contract for ust to, more than likely, bring in his replacement for the future.

Secondly, it's spelled "worst", not "worse".

Thirdly, exactly what about our offense gives you the warm and fuzzy inside that we will be like a Kansas City offensive scoring machine? I'd sell my soul to have an offensive season like that. A healthy Clinton Portis and a QB with all of 5 starts under his belt and all of a sudden we're going to triple our output in points?

Agree that expecting the O to be like KC's in JC's second year is a little much. On the other hand, before restructuring Wynn's realese 6/1 would have saved $4M+. Restructuring may reduce this figure, but cash up front was undoubtedly involved, just spreading the hit. What can be expected form a Wynn 1 year older that we didn't see in 2006?

[Slobberknocker]

Keyshawnnnnnnnn

Good googly moogly.

First we add Suisham, then Fabini, then a Landry, then a Dallas, now maybe an Ellis and a Keyshawn... I fear for Armageddon.

[bgforever]

Daniels is hurt and largely ineffective, but Wynn, the past starting end at that position, sits. Carter is ineffective against the run mfor 10 games and Wynn sits. Could there be a reason for this related to ability to perform?

that is a STRONG consideration, based on fact. I also felt Wynn was the odd man out, along with Salave'a next by virtue of strength of newer acquisitions. I also felt Wynn, Daniels on the DL provide a form of leadership, VOCAL, example on and off the field. It is hard to gage in dollars how that impacts a team, but as the team tries to stay competitive with an UPSWING in wins, it has to make transitions. This reduction by WYNN is showing any of our points is right, that Wynn at the least, is on the way out, most likely by 2008. Since we are counting on "rotation" as opposed to anything else for now, Wynn is an assurance of at least a knowledge base for Blache along the D Line and it is HIGHLY likely since his days with past teams, he was going to be a coach.

Daniels is an empathetic person, but nevertheless a leader.

My original opinion and I still lean that way, is that even so, with their leadership, if they really care about the team, move to the left and allow fresher, stronger personnel to step in and guide them, as opposed to seeing your names in lights once more (on a screen in green with your vitals, after heading to the team DR). When a player repeatedly spends more time making the coaches indecisive about who's on first and what's on second, it drains the game plan and gives an edge to the opposition, without even stepping on the field. Result - you stand a greater chance of vunerability each week, up front on the DL, leadership or not, community man or not, pay cut or not.

Its the GUY that needs to move on, not the accolades and sentiment. Yes often remaining on the roster is just as bad, but for one brief moment, Wynn is BY GRACE, suspended in motion for a reserved seat on the bench this year, without us relying on a practice squad maybe player.

I am sure the contract has a limitation to deadlnies and impact to cap, but for now he's a plus in depth. Just next season, I suggest he get some Coache's unis :D

[fent]

Good googly moogly.

First we add Petigout, then a Landry, then a Dallas, now maybe an Ellis and a Keyshawn... I fear for Armageddon.

Petitgout went to Tampa, Ellis hasn't been cut, and if he is, his Achilles injury will leave him with lowered explosion, something necessary for the DE position.

[smoak]

When I take off my rose colored glasses I am forced to agree. Wynn was underused last year because he wasn't what the D needed. He may be a wonderful person but is no longer capable of leading by example. Restructuring = shifting when the money is paid. This just locks up a roster spot for a very marginal player who is a good human being while moving us closer to cap hell.

Yeah b/c this defense didn't need help stoping the run at all. :riolleyes: I am the first to rip Holdman as garbage and say that Marshall was out of position and hurt, but why did it seem there were always o-linemen getting to the LBers??? Ug b/c there wasn't a stout player who could hold up at the point of attack maybe??

Oh and your comment about shifting the money is no true. Two years ago Wynn took a PAY CUT to stay with the Redskins and this is the appreciation we show a guy who plays hard day in an day out? Such loyalty is touching let me tell you. Championship team need role players and leaders, and while I'm not saying we do or do not have a shot at it, I am saying that this is a BETTER football team with Wynn and if released, there are teams out there who would love to have this guy help stop the run.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-04-18-nfl-report_N.htm
Denver's John Lynch, the New York Jets' Chad Pennington, Green Bay's Donald Driver, Cleveland's Darnell Dinkins, Tampa Bay's Ryan Nece, the New York Giants' Shaun O'Hara, Oakland's Duane Starks, Miami's Jason Taylor, former Seahawk Grant Wistrom and Washington's Reynaldo Wynn dressed in black tie and took exception to the black eye inflicted by an embarrassing few.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/adeyanju_victor
His athleticism and ability to cover running backs in tight man-to-man give him a chance to convert to linebacker if someone wanted to try him at that, but they should try to develop him into a Reynaldo Wynn-type strongside defensive end who can be very good vs. the run and gets some occasional pressure on the quarterback through sheer effort and determination.

Basically you guys are expecting Wynn to be Freeney, and they simply just are not the same player. Wynn is 1 10 year veteran who you will give you all-out effort on every play, but is not a speed rusher. At this point in his career he is a short yardage specialist and reserve backup for every position on hte line. But so what? That role is an improtant one.

[bgforever]

Gibbs wants people to step up in the redzone. It sounds like they may make another move.


I'm just going to whisper it because I don't wanna scare anybody.....

Keyshawnnnnnnnn

Loud and proud! its a move that can't hurt, but say what you mean to him in negotiations, about HIS role on THIS team, forget the others! like Philly did Ian Scott, give him a short contract. Best for both sides, guarantee NOTHING.

[skinfan43]

Loud and proud! its a move that can't hurt, but say what you mean to him in negotiations, about HIS role on THIS team, forget the others! like Philly did Ian Scott, give him a short contract. Best for both sides, guarantee NOTHING.
I wouldn't mind a Moss, Randle El, Johnson receiving corps this season either, BG. Just use a pick (oh, the novelty!;-) to draft a good young WR next season and then decide whether or not to keep KJ on again.

[PennSkinsFan]

I don't think the moves impacts anything. Wynn si a team leader and a great guy, but his best days are beyond. If were not ginna fix the Dline, like we have not the last 5 years, then start Demetric Evans who has at least shown that once in awhile he can get to the QB

[James F. Quinn]

Good googly moogly.

First we add Suisham, then Fabini, then a Landry, then a Dallas, now maybe an Ellis and a Keyshawn... I fear for Armageddon.

Keyshawn? Man, we were posting about him yesterday. I thought by now we'd have signed him, played him, restructured him, and cut him.

"Just Throw Me the Damn Bonus!" LOL

[skinfan43]

I don't think the moves impacts anything. Wynn si a team leader and a great guy, but his best days are beyond. If were not ginna fix the Dline, like we have not the last 5 years, then start Demetric Evans who has at least shown that once in awhile he can get to the QB
I agree with you PSF, when he's in he at least gets good pressure and he definitely has a good motor and durability, maybe he shows something extra in the preseason this season to warrant that consideration to the coaches.

[colkurtz]

Although Wynn is a great leadership guy, we need people who can play and make a difference on the field. If he was not used much last season on one of the worst DL in the NFL and he is one year older this season - how is he really going to help us?

I'd rather have a (cheap), raw UDFA project player who has a good motor, speed and youth and is working toward becoming a backup or playing his guts out on ST

vs. keeping a player who hardly plays, hasn't had a full sack in two seasons and is a couple years past when he would have been let go on other teams.

We need players not cheerleaders. Rant over. :banghead:

[Vonslydog]

It was mentioned somewhere about a week ago (I will try to find the link and add it) that Wynn restructured. It might have even been before the draft. I don't see it as a prelude to a big move, but more as Wynn looking to not get released. He remains a solid run stopper, and I have no problem keeping him as depth.

Edit:
Here's the like to the WP article from Sunday Apr 28.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801056.html

[Swirvi]

Good googly moogly.

First we add Suisham, then Fabini, then a Landry, then a Dallas, now maybe an Ellis and a Keyshawn... I fear for Armageddon.

And before all of them....was Deion.

What is the world coming to?

[LuvSkins17]

Hey maybe they will get Big Daddy Wilkerson for an eigth round pick.

:goofy:

[silverspring]

I am sick of all these restructures. Maybe I am wrong but generally this means we set it up so we owe these guys more guaranteed later which means it implies we are planning to hang onto these players for longer or we take a big hit when we cut them. I would much rather take the hit when they are actually playing and still young enough to get around without a wheelchair. I would rather pay top dollar for players when they are in their prime or at least the prime of their redskin career.

[RedskinRyan]

still restructuring people this season? more smoke that there's another move coming.

perhaps daniels will have a restructuring as well. im hoping this is to make room for a cooley extension.

[Jon Creveling]

Although Wynn is a great leadership guy, we need people who can play and make a difference on the field. If he was not used much last season on one of the worst DL in the NFL and he is one year older this season - how is he really going to help us?

I'd rather have a (cheap), raw UDFA project player who has a good motor, speed and youth and is working toward becoming a backup or playing his guts out on ST

vs. keeping a player who hardly plays, hasn't had a full sack in two seasons and is a couple years past when he would have been let go on other teams.

We need players not cheerleaders. Rant over. :banghead:
See expiration date.

[James F. Quinn]

perhaps daniels will have a restructuring as well. im hoping this is to make room for a cooley extension.

Hope so. If they screw around until late in the season, he'd be better served to wait it out and go FA as soon as possible. there's a certain window for re-signing your own guys that the other teams might covet.

[jaylen]

How can so many people be defending Wynn, I like the personality he's a standup guy but he's not that good a player . He was another free agent bust who's managed because of his character to stick around. he's okay at Dtackle not anything to speak of at DE.

The idea that Daniels and Wynn are both gonna be back and a factor in our d line is very disappointing.

People I think are overrating Gholston to a small degree. he makes plays some time but doesn't seem to hold the inside consistently. he seems to get trapped blocked to often he rushes up field and leaves our lb's exposed too often. maybe he gets better this season and starts being more solid. I like him as a player I'm just not convinced that he's ready for fulltime duty.

Thats where i think Wynn can be an asset, he's unselfish which helps he'll keep our lb's cleaner alot more often than Gholston who might try and chase the big play too often.

Its okay that Wynn will be back but please play him more inside.

[skinsfan36]

good move im a fan of wynn hes a leader and a good depth player and restrucring will keep him around.

[smoak]

How can so many people be defending Wynn, I like the personality he's a standup guy but he's not that good a player . He was another free agent bust who's managed because of his character to stick around. he's okay at Dtackle not anything to speak of at DE.

The idea that Daniels and Wynn are both gonna be back and a factor in our d line is very disappointing.

People I think are overrating Gholston to a small degree. he makes plays some time but doesn't seem to hold the inside consistently. he seems to get trapped blocked to often he rushes up field and leaves our lb's exposed too often. maybe he gets better this season and starts being more solid. I like him as a player I'm just not convinced that he's ready for fulltime duty.

Thats where i think Wynn can be an asset, he's unselfish which helps he'll keep our lb's cleaner alot more often than Gholston who might try and chase the big play too often.

Its okay that Wynn will be back but please play him more inside.

So I guess your definition of a good DE is someone who can't play the run? I don't think anyone has said Wynn should be a full time starting DE. What we've said is that he his speciality (stuffing the run) and versatility, are beneficial. Maybe you would rather go back to guys like Bruce Smith (the Redskins version) who other than trying to chase down their sack #s, give up more plays than they make?

Oh and I agree on Golston. Nice rotational player, but I am not convinced he is ready to be an every down DT.

[jaylen]

So I guess your definition of a good DE is someone who can't play the run? I don't think anyone has said Wynn should be a full time starting DE. What we've said is that he his speciality (stuffing the run) and versatility, are beneficial. Maybe you would rather go back to guys like Bruce Smith (the Redskins version) who other than trying to chase down their sack #s, give up more plays than they make?
.

I haven't laid out my definition at all of a good DE. I'm saying whats obvious Wynn was paid big bucks to be a big contributor some years ago and hasn't panned out he's okay stuffing the run. Thats about it. we could use a pass rusher, Bruce Smith was the human Windmill, he couldn't stop anything.

But lets not act like Wynn is vital, if he got cut tomorrow so what.

[joethefan]

of course he restructured, as if he had any other team interested in him at this point in his career.....he'll restructure another 2 times af they ask him to....

[skins111111]

wtg Wynn, I'm still uncertain about Springs come June 1st

[bgforever]

I don't think the moves impacts anything. Wynn si a team leader and a great guy, but his best days are beyond. If were not ginna fix the Dline, like we have not the last 5 years, then start Demetric Evans who has at least shown that once in awhile he can get to the QB


Yep, just make sure you line up that all important interview at the next off season, letting K. Johnson conduct it, after that draft!!! :lol1:

WP article this morning states Joe Gibbs isn't going after K. Johnson.

[Skins57]

Or trade to get another Safety. Maybe Roy Williams?:sleeping:

Lance Briggs for Griff and and a first rounder...I bet,,,,ok even that made me :cry:

[HAWGZHEAD]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20070503-115740-6806r.htm

Notes -- Defensive end Renaldo Wynn renegotiated his contract, saving the Redskins $1.52 million on the salary cap. Cornerback David Macklin and offensive tackle Jason Fabini both signed one-year deals with $40,000 bonuses on top of the veteran minimum base salary. ... Washington's rookie pool is $3.4 million.

good to hear..So what is our cap number now? JLC is reporting we are 5.1mil under. Is that without signing any rookies or this Wynn restructure?

[skinsfan36]

So what is our cap number now? JLC is reporting we are 5.1mil under. Is that without signing any rookies or this Wynn restructure?
thats after his restructure and the rookie signings

[American Soldier]

just ignore skinswin...he shows up to whine when something "bad" happens (last time i checked restructuring isn't a bad thing) but never shows up if we win or take the time to congratulate the team or FO for doing something good.

Dang, looks like someone else is in the dog house beside your's truly.....the fairweather fan!!!!

Seriously though, this was a good move. The skins are going to be fine on defense. Wynn has always been a leader and most importantly a voice.

But all this focus on the defense leads me to believe that we all think the offense is going to score points by the pounds. Let's not lose focus on the total package. If our special teams screws up, the defense has to work harder to maintain the field position game; if the offense sputters with their usual 3 and outs, the defense has to suck it up [extra oxygen and stamina that is] and be expected to make plays as well as a loss of time on the sidelines with the defensive coaches to discuss what they're seeing in order to make possible adjustments. The game itself is quite simple, but the outcome involves some pretty intricate details that we tend to overlook. Yes, sometimes during the course of the season, one side of the ball just doesn't get it done. We only say 'no excuses' because it's the manly thing to say. But the reality is most times you can't perform at your best when you have players injured. That's why you call them starters. Somebody came up with the phrase 'no excuses' and it stuck that's all. Let's hope and pray that Grif and the rest of the team stays healthy. How 'bout that, huh?

[Hr fan]

still restructuring people this season? more smoke that there's another move coming.

Agree. If we get a DE who goes? The flexible Wynn or the I-want-to-do-it-my-way Daniels? Committing to Wynn would seem to create room for a move, and also pave the way for Daniels to depart. Other than late 2005, basically 1 game against Dallas, he has been marginal at best.

[skinsfan36]

Agree. If we get a DE who goes? The flexible Wynn or the I-want-to-do-it-my-way Daniels? Committing to Wynn would seem to create room for a move, and also pave the way for Daniels to depart. Other than late 2005, basically 1 game against Dallas, he has been marginal at best.
yeah id say its between daniels and evans then probably hey both may go if sykes is as good as gw thinks he may end up being

[shally]

yeah id say its between daniels and evans then probably hey both may go if sykes is as good as gw thinks he may end up being

sykes may end up being a player who gets better and better like juqua thomas.. but he sure has not shown that much so far.. he had better have had just a massive year in the weightroom if he is going to compete for anything this year..

[NCskinsfanatic]

I still bet we pick up someone to start opposite of Carter at DE, but I'm glad to have Wynns leadership and run stuffing abilities at a reasonable cost...

[smoak]

I haven't laid out my definition at all of a good DE. I'm saying whats obvious Wynn was paid big bucks to be a big contributor some years ago and hasn't panned out he's okay stuffing the run. Thats about it. we could use a pass rusher, Bruce Smith was the human Windmill, he couldn't stop anything.

But lets not act like Wynn is vital, if he got cut tomorrow so what.

Maybe Wynn in and of himself is not "vital" any more, but look back at all championship teams and you'll find a few veteran leaders who really are no longer the best at their position, but were key to their teams' success. Look how a washed up Brad Johnson and Joe Jurevicius helped Tampa to a title. What about the contributions of a washed up "never was" like Tony Siragusa for the Ravens? Is Charlie Batch a great QB? I don't think so personally, but I know the Pittsburgh fans appreciated that he was able to step in and help in '05. What about the Bus? He was a washed up fat tub of goo who averaged around 3 yards per carry.

My point it that the mentality of dismissing guys so callously is a early Dan Snyder thought process that leads to the current good players question the loyalty of the franchise. Ridding ourselves of players like Reynaldo Wynn who have led and bled on the football field will only weaken the morale and overall play of the team IMO. Loyalty goes a long way my friend and while I am not advocating keeping Wynn until he is 55, I am saying that I think he has earned the right to backup the D-linemen we have.

[skinsfan36]

Maybe Wynn in and of himself is not "vital" any more, but look back at all championship teams and you'll find a few veteran leaders who really are no longer the best at their position, but were key to their teams' success. Look how a washed up Brad Johnson and Joe Jurevicius helped Tampa to a title. What about the contributions of a washed up "never was" like Tony Siragusa for the Ravens? Is Charlie Batch a great QB? I don't think so personally, but I know the Pittsburgh fans appreciated that he was able to step in and help in '05. What about the Bus? He was a washed up fat tub of goo who averaged around 3 yards per carry.

My point it that the mentality of dismissing guys so callously is a early Dan Snyder thought process that leads to the current good players question the loyalty of the franchise. Ridding ourselves of players like Reynaldo Wynn who have led and bled on the football field will only weaken the morale and overall play of the team IMO. Loyalty goes a long way my friend and while I am not advocating keeping Wynn until he is 55, I am saying that I think he has earned the right to backup the D-linemen we have.
i agree with this point wynn is a heck of a leader thats why i would keep him over daniels if we got say alex brown or someone like that

[James F. Quinn]

Maybe Wynn in and of himself is not "vital" any more, but look back at all championship teams and you'll find a few veteran leaders who really are no longer the best at their position, but were key to their teams' success. Look how a washed up Brad Johnson and Joe Jurevicius helped Tampa to a title. What about the contributions of a washed up "never was" like Tony Siragusa for the Ravens? Is Charlie Batch a great QB? I don't think so personally, but I know the Pittsburgh fans appreciated that he was able to step in and help in '05. What about the Bus? He was a washed up fat tub of goo who averaged around 3 yards per carry.

My point it that the mentality of dismissing guys so callously is a early Dan Snyder thought process that leads to the current good players question the loyalty of the franchise. Ridding ourselves of players like Reynaldo Wynn who have led and bled on the football field will only weaken the morale and overall play of the team IMO. Loyalty goes a long way my friend and while I am not advocating keeping Wynn until he is 55, I am saying that I think he has earned the right to backup the D-linemen we have.

During his first era, Joe Gibbs spoke loud and clear about loyalty to a player vs. loyalty to a team. He said his responsibility was to have the best 53 guys on the team, period.

There is no loyalty in football. Look at how joe jettisoned big stars like Riggins when he felt they were losing their ability. If a better DLman than Wynn shows up, Wynn will become an alum.

[smoak]

During his first era, Joe Gibbs spoke loud and clear about loyalty to a player vs. loyalty to a team. He said his responsibility was to have the best 53 guys on the team, period.

There is no loyalty in football. Look at how joe jettisoned big stars like Riggins when he felt they were losing their ability. If a better DLman than Wynn shows up, Wynn will become an alum.

From most accounts, Gibbs is as competitive as anyone in the world.... But you misunderstand my point. I am saying that Wynn is still capable of playing a key important role on the team. I am NOT advocating a free ride for a nice guy. If for some reason he can no longer "go", then stash him on IR or release him...

Oh and ask the Philadelphia Eagles players if loyalty (or lack there of) didn't play a major part in their collapses. I've heard several players talk about it and supposedly almost everyone ijn lockerroom at least felt that way if only privately.

[colkurtz]

From most accounts, Gibbs is as competitive as anyone in the world.... But you misunderstand my point. I am saying that Wynn is still capable of playing a key important role on the team. I am NOT advocating a free ride for a nice guy. If for some reason he can no longer "go", then stash him on IR or release him...

Oh and ask the Philadelphia Eagles players if loyalty (or lack there of) didn't play a major part in their collapses. I've heard several players talk about it and supposedly almost everyone ijn lockerroom at least felt that way if only privately.

You had good words on the leadership and loyalty issues - the team needs stability after all the turmoil of the previous seasons since Snyder has bought the team.

As long as Wynn can contibute on the field then this is good. I'd still like to see a younger and good DE FA replace Daniels.

[James F. Quinn]

From most accounts, Gibbs is as competitive as anyone in the world.... But you misunderstand my point. I am saying that Wynn is still capable of playing a key important role on the team. I am NOT advocating a free ride for a nice guy. If for some reason he can no longer "go", then stash him on IR or release him...

Oh and ask the Philadelphia Eagles players if loyalty (or lack there of) didn't play a major part in their collapses. I've heard several players talk about it and supposedly almost everyone ijn lockerroom at least felt that way if only privately.
What you said was: "I am saying that I think he has earned the right to backup the D-linemen we have."

I'm saying he has no right to anything if a couple of better players show up.

Eagles?