Sean Taylor Joins Skins at OTA's

[JSKINS]

Didn't see a thread started on this yet.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3464

This is great news. Now we just have to get Springs in camp.

[GolfFreak]

SWEET!!!

[shally]

Didn't see a thread started on this yet.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3464

This is great news. Now we just have to get Springs in camp.

excellent.. looks like springs will be post june 1, if he does what he says

[chrisbcbu]

We had the inside scoop from wewantdallas that he was there today.(posted in the taylor noshow thread).

i seriously hope that this ends all the drama regarding his contract issue. Its sad that soo many ppl on here buy into the media hype.

[Mr. Rogers]

Thank goodness. Now, can we get this contract stuff straight?

[BurgundyNGold]

Very nice move by Mr. Taylor.

[BurgundyNGold]

Thank goodness. Now, can we get this contract stuff straight?
Quoted for emphasis.

[smoak]

Great move! ST has always been one of my favorite Redskins and I really do believe that with hard work now, this could be his year to take that next step.

[S.Taylor36]

This is good news. it will be better news when he gets a new contract.

[greatest2]

real quick, how can we sign TAylor, Landry and Cooley to long term deals worth alot of money this year???? how do we have the cap????

well, if anyone can work it out, it would be our front office. But at least taylor and cooley will command big big contracts, so asking for all three to be signed this year, is asking for a miracle.




Dear skins FO: can i have one miracle, with a side of do you believe:rolleyes:

[akhhorus]

real quick, how can we sign TAylor, Landry and Cooley to long term deals worth alot of money this year???? how do we have the cap????

well, if anyone can work it out, it would be our front office. But at least taylor and cooley will command big big contracts, so asking for all three to be signed this year, is asking for a miracle.

Dear skins FO: can i have one miracle, with a side of do you believe:rolleyes:

Even if the skins gave them rich contracts, none of the first years of the contracts would cost much. Taylor isn't a priority, he's locked up for awhile. Cooley isn't going anywhere: the skins will probably tag him(which is why they didn't tag Dock).

[chrisbcbu]

Even if the skins gave them rich contracts, none of the first years of the contracts would cost much. Taylor isn't a priority, he's locked up for awhile. Cooley isn't going anywhere: the skins will probably tag him(which is why they didn't tag Dock).
In order to tag cooley he would cost about 4.5-5million(the tag this year is 4.3mil, so i assume it will go up again next year). i do think Cooley will be given a long term deal this year. So we shouldnt have to tag him.

Dockery wasnt tagged because it would have cost 9.5 million this year. Sorry that wasnt going to happen.

Taylor will hopefully be given a new contract either after this season or next.

[CarMike]

We had the inside scoop from wewantdallas that he was there today.(posted in the taylor noshow thread).

i seriously hope that this ends all the drama regarding his contract issue. Its sad that soo many ppl on here buy into the media hype.
Couldn't agree more...

[skinfan43]

Good stuff about Taylor, and I ain't worried about Springs needing to be there anytime soon. He is clearly our best CB when healthy and it seems he's got a really intense workout regimen in Arizona going on, so his shape will not be an issue, plus he knows GW's system inside and out by now. With his contract issues still not clear until June 1, I can't blame him for staying put until then. Hope he's a Skin in '07, we are far better when he's on the field than not.
Springs, Taylor, Landry, and either Smoot/Rogers starting...add PP and Macklin to the mix, along w/the veteran Stoutmire and young Doughty and this looks like the deepest secondary we've had in years. (BTW...to me, Fox and Jimoh are strictly special teamers...the guys I mentioned can actually compete for playing time on downs IMO)
Same goes for the LB corps - LFB, and a healthy Rocky and MW starting, w/a healthy LeMar plus two promising young prospects in Blades and Sartz equals a LB corps as deep as I can remember.
This is truly the most frustrating time of the offseason IMO...May/June/plus the first two weeks of July - 10 weeks of excruciating waiting (for the speculation to become visible)....GRRRRRR!:banghead:

[akhhorus]

In order to tag cooley he would cost about 4.5-5million(the tag this year is 4.3mil, so i assume it will go up again next year). i do think Cooley will be given a long term deal this year. So we shouldnt have to tag him.

Dockery wasnt tagged because it would have cost 9.5 million this year. Sorry that wasnt going to happen.

Taylor will hopefully be given a new contract either after this season or next.

But if you use the tag one year, you can't the next. In theory they could have tagged Dock to keep him(or deal him), but that would mean they couldn't tag Cooley. I think he'll get a long term deal, but I do think that if they don't, he'll be tagged.

[redskin_rich]

We had the inside scoop from wewantdallas that he was there today.(posted in the taylor noshow thread).

i seriously hope that this ends all the drama regarding his contract issue. Its sad that soo many ppl on here buy into the media hype.
What media hype? You don't think Taylor was making some sort of statement by showing up a week late? Did he just forget?

And most of us that you are accusing of "buying into media hype" were speculating this back on draft day, before there was any "media hype."

What's sad is that you want to throw a blanket statement over anybody who doesn't agree with you that all things are just fine and dandy.

[James F. Quinn]

What media hype? You don't think Taylor was making some sort of statement by showing up a week late? Did he just forget?

And most of us that you are accusing of "buying into media hype" were speculating this back on draft day, before there was any "media hype."

What's sad is that you want to throw a blanket statement over anybody who doesn't agree with you that all things are just fine and dandy.

If it weren't for media hype, there would be a lot fewer posts to read. Can't have that!

[guinness4health]

guess that means he hates sally jenkins too....

[chrisbcbu]

What media hype? You don't think Taylor was making some sort of statement by showing up a week late? Did he just forget?

And most of us that you are accusing of "buying into media hype" were speculating this back on draft day, before there was any "media hype."

What's sad is that you want to throw a blanket statement over anybody who doesn't agree with you that all things are just fine and dandy.

There was a call to Rosenhaus and was asked why he wasnt here and there was no mention of contract problems whatsoever.

And there was small talk about the taylors contract. And it simply blew up after he didnt show and media started spinning the contract issue.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

This is great news. I'm happy Taylor is there. Maybe this is a good faith jesture to the team who seem to be in the process of trying to work out something long term. At least that is what JLC reported last week.

[James F. Quinn]

This is great news. I'm happy Taylor is there. Maybe this is a good faith jesture to the team who seem to be in the process of trying to work out something long term. At least that is what JLC reported last week.
Maybe someone told Sean that his ATVs were up at Ashburn.

[chrisbcbu]

But if you use the tag one year, you can't the next. In theory they could have tagged Dock to keep him(or deal him), but that would mean they couldn't tag Cooley. I think he'll get a long term deal, but I do think that if they don't, he'll be tagged.

I know you can use the tag one year and also the next(Pace,Jones got tagged multiple years in a row). Tho im not sure if you can use it one year on one player and the next year on a different player.

Edit: I looked this up. Here is something from askthecommish (http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/)

Under the old CBA, a team had until March 17 to work out a long term deal with its Franchise Player. If the team signed the Franchise Player between March 18 and July 14, the tag would have stayed with that player for the length of his contract, which meant that the team could not name another Franchise Payer until that player's contract was terminated. The updated CBA pushed that date back until July 22, the same as the free agency deadline. However, there remains a caveat: The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

So if we would have tagged Dock and signed him to a long term deal before March 18th or traded him then we could use the tag the next season. But if we signed him to a long term deal from March 18th-Jul 22 then the tag stays on Dock and we could not use it again.

[akhhorus]

I know you can use the tag one year and also the next(Pace,Jones got tagged multiple years in a row). Tho im not sure if you can use it one year on one player and the next year on a different player.

Thats the difference: you can use it on the same player in consecutive years, but not different ones.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Didn't see a thread started on this yet.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3464

This is great news. Now we just have to get Springs in camp.
Great and according to Springs he will join the team in June, things are looking up...

[chrisbcbu]

Thats the difference: you can use it on the same player in consecutive years, but not different ones.

I just edited my previous post of the info i found. It gets really confusing.

[Red Bear]

Thats the difference: you can use it on the same player in consecutive years, but not different ones.

walter jones, shaun alexander were i believe, but then again the seahawks worked out a longterm deal for jones before the deadline i guess

[Redskin4Life]

real quick, how can we sign TAylor, Landry and Cooley to long term deals worth alot of money this year???? how do we have the cap????

If the following happened, we should be able to sign all three after June 1st without cutting anyone:


Landry took a 5 yr, $25M deal, $15M TIERED SB -- $10M now, $5M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor and Cooley sign 6 yr, $40M deals, $18M TIERED SB -- $12M now, $6M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor's salary counts $1.125 towards the cap now and Cooley's counts $0.85M (both numbers would be a savings to the cap with the new deals)

The present cap number is $4.39M according to Warpath. With the Hilton cut and the savings from Patten's release, we got close to $2M back -- making the cap number close to $6.25M.

With the increase in savings from Taylor and Cooley's present salary numbers, the cap number would be close to 8.25M.

The new deals for Landry, Cooley and Taylor would put us at a cap figure of $0.75M in the black with several cuts to come from now til opening day.

[Red Bear]

If the following happened, we should be able to sign all three after June 1st without cutting anyone:


Landry took a 5 yr, $25M deal, $15M TIERED SB -- $10M now, $5M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor and Cooley sign 6 yr, $40M deals, $18M TIERED SB -- $12M now, $6M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor's salary counts $1.125 towards the cap now and Cooley's counts $0.85M (both numbers would be a savings to the cap with the new deals)

The present cap number is $4.39M according to Warpath. With the Hilton cut and the savings from Patten's release, we got close to $2M back -- making the cap number close to $6.25M.

With the increase in savings from Taylor and Cooley's present salary numbers, the cap number would be close to 8.25M.

The new deals for Landry, Cooley and Taylor would put us at a cap figure of $0.75M in the black with several cuts to come from now til opening day.


while that might be a fair sounding deal for taylor, thats way too much gauranteed for chris cooley

[HanburgerBum]

Good stuff about Taylor, and I ain't worried about Springs needing to be there anytime soon. He is clearly our best CB when healthy and it seems he's got a really intense workout regimen in Arizona going on, so his shape will not be an issue, plus he knows GW's system inside and out by now. With his contract issues still not clear until June 1, I can't blame him for staying put until then. Hope he's a Skin in '07, we are far better when he's on the field than not.
Springs, Taylor, Landry, and either Smoot/Rogers starting...add PP and Macklin to the mix, along w/the veteran Stoutmire and young Doughty and this looks like the deepest secondary we've had in years. (BTW...to me, Fox and Jimoh are strictly special teamers...the guys I mentioned can actually compete for playing time on downs IMO)
Same goes for the LB corps - LFB, and a healthy Rocky and MW starting, w/a healthy LeMar plus two promising young prospects in Blades and Sartz equals a LB corps as deep as I can remember.
This is truly the most frustrating time of the offseason IMO...May/June/plus the first two weeks of July - 10 weeks of excruciating waiting (for the speculation to become visible)....GRRRRRR!:banghead:


It's unclear what Springs is up to. Gibbs is already on record saying that the Skins have decided against asking Shawn to take a 2 million dollar paycut this season, and that he will be paid "normally under his existing contract".

Unless Springs thinks Joe is lying to him, SS shouldn't do anything to antagonze the FO, which is apparently willing to have him count over 7 million in cap room this year. At his age and with his health history, Springs should count his blessings that he is still in the League.

If it were up to me, with the current Skins roster not shaping up to be a serious contender at least in 2007, I would look to dump Springs for whatever he would bring. If he can fetch a 2008 4th or 5th rounder, that would be fine. A 2008 3rd rounder would be even better.

[bergiemoore]

If the following happened, we should be able to sign all three after June 1st without cutting anyone:


Landry took a 5 yr, $25M deal, $15M TIERED SB -- $10M now, $5M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor and Cooley sign 6 yr, $40M deals, $18M TIERED SB -- $12M now, $6M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor's salary counts $1.125 towards the cap now and Cooley's counts $0.85M (both numbers would be a savings to the cap with the new deals)

The present cap number is $4.39M according to Warpath. With the Hilton cut and the savings from Patten's release, we got close to $2M back -- making the cap number close to $6.25M.

With the increase in savings from Taylor and Cooley's present salary numbers, the cap number would be close to 8.25M.

The new deals for Landry, Cooley and Taylor would put us at a cap figure of $0.75M in the black with several cuts to come from now til opening day.


I think we might also see some extra room when it comes time to cut one of our 2 veteran backup QBs. There's no reason to keep Brunell AND Collins.

[greatest2]

If the following happened, we should be able to sign all three after June 1st without cutting anyone:


Landry took a 5 yr, $25M deal, $15M TIERED SB -- $10M now, $5M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor and Cooley sign 6 yr, $40M deals, $18M TIERED SB -- $12M now, $6M in roster bonus next year, min salary first year (cap number would be $2.5M this year)

Taylor's salary counts $1.125 towards the cap now and Cooley's counts $0.85M (both numbers would be a savings to the cap with the new deals)

The present cap number is $4.39M according to Warpath. With the Hilton cut and the savings from Patten's release, we got close to $2M back -- making the cap number close to $6.25M.

With the increase in savings from Taylor and Cooley's present salary numbers, the cap number would be close to 8.25M.

The new deals for Landry, Cooley and Taylor would put us at a cap figure of $0.75M in the black with several cuts to come from now til opening day.


i like that, maybe a little to much for cooley but whatever. My next question is with the roster bonuses due next year, how do we afford them next year????? i guess thats where restructure starts...

[LATrueRedskin]

Great news about Taylor. It's great to have him with the rest of the team.

[The Skinsinator]

Great news about Taylor. It's great to have him with the rest of the team.Sean loves to play football also. When I met him at tc a couple years ago you could tell how much fun he was having. He was a real likeable guy with a great sense of humor. People quickly forget how much talent this guy has and how many big big plays he has already made for our team. Him and Landry are going to be nasty.

[urobm]

Oh yes great news, now this is what I like to see when I check out the news on my lunch break. Could this be a sign of maturity, hopefully this sparks a move in the right direction and possibly a sooner rather than later contract extension.

[skinsfan36]

great news i knew he would show up sooner then later. now onto the taylor and cooley situations,taylors contract may be about 40 million but i would think cooleys would be 6 yr 30 million at most. cooley will resign because he is loved by these fans and the coaches. def in the discussion of most popular skin of the last 10 yrs, i mean girls who dont even watch football hardly love him. my predicition is cooley is signed in training camp to about a 6 yr/29 million dollar deal,or if theres no deal by march he will be tagged. taylor i think they will start talking a new deal but i think it all hinders on cooley . like if they sign cooley by july taylor could get a serious offer by november. but the FO knows they cant let these two go

[urobm]

great news i knew he would show up sooner then later. now onto the taylor and cooley situations,taylors contract may be about 40 million but i would think cooleys would be 6 yr 30 million at most. cooley will resign because he is loved by these fans and the coaches. def in the discussion of most popular skin of the last 10 yrs, i mean girls who dont even watch football hardly love him. my predicition is cooley is signed in training camp to about a 6 yr/29 million dollar deal,or if theres no deal by march he will be tagged. taylor i think they will start talking a new deal but i think it all hinders on cooley . like if they sign cooley by july taylor could get a serious offer by november. but the FO knows they cant let these two go


That would be nice, both of these guys are major parts of the potential success of this team. After watching ST's interview today, I think he has really come a long way and I am eager to see him this year. Again both of these guys need to resigned sooner rather than leter.

[urobm]

i like that, maybe a little to much for cooley but whatever. My next question is with the roster bonuses due next year, how do we afford them next year????? i guess thats where restructure starts...


Yeah way too much for Cooley, I was thinking more on the lines of 6yrs/$28-$30 million.

[skinsfan36]

Yeah way too much for Cooley, I was thinking more on the lines of 6yrs/$28-$30 million.
yeah cooley has to be a priority this offseason. jlc thinks they will start serious extension talks in july(saw in a wp chat)

[urobm]

yeah cooley has to be a priority this offseason. jlc thinks they will start serious extension talks in july(saw in a wp chat)


I agree, we need to start the trend of resigning or rather trying to resign our guys before they hit the FA market. We need Cooley, but not at the price of breaking the bank. He seems like a reasonable and fair guy so I dont see him asking for a ridiculous number.

[DatBoiizBad]

lol you guys are funny. Two days ago everyone and their mother's were bashing taylor saying he doesnt deserve the new contract because of a "down year" now that he has shown up he is the greatest person in the world.

[akhhorus]

lol you guys are funny. Two days ago everyone and their mother's were bashing taylor saying he doesnt deserve the new contract because of a "down year" now that he has shown up he is the greatest person in the world.

I don't see anyone calling him the "greatest person in the world", just that its great news that Taylor showed up for the OTAs.

[shally]

lol you guys are funny. Two days ago everyone and their mother's were bashing taylor saying he doesnt deserve the new contract because of a "down year" now that he has shown up he is the greatest person in the world.

nice way to start off your tenure here.. welcome

it is just that he is doing the right thing now and deserves credit for that

[bgforever]

nice way to start off your tenure here.. welcome

it is just that he is doing the right thing now and deserves credit for that

Xactly. I felt he needed to get back to that bonding thing, even though he brings an edge to the D. I would never "favor" a move of ST to somewhere else or even begin to suggest he's on the downside, but when a coach has you by the cahunna's moreso than you think, it can make a difference in what you "thought" you could keep doing and what you should do. Just because you can do something, doesnt' mean its the right thing to do for yourself or the team overall. too many weeks away only means catchup over and over again.

Face it, in the offseason, being seen at McDonald's is front page news in the NFL.

[redskin_rich]

lol you guys are funny. Two days ago everyone and their mother's were bashing taylor saying he doesnt deserve the new contract because of a "down year" now that he has shown up he is the greatest person in the world.
I think it's funny that your first post on this board is a feeble attempt at mocking the membership here. That pretty much narrows you down to one of three things:
1. A Cowgirls or Eagles fan that is such a coward, it has to wear a veil.
2. A useless troll that is seeking attention.
3. Both 1 and 2.

I hope I'm wrong and it's now your time to prove so.

[urobm]

nice way to start off your tenure here.. welcome

it is just that he is doing the right thing now and deserves credit for that


Exactly, I think every skins fan is happy he reported. We have surely had our ups and downs with ST, but there is no doublt thay he is a playmaker.

[RedskinsVision]

I don't think he deserves a new contract yet but am sure happy he's here forming the chemistry with the team. I think once Landry and Springs gets in, we'll see this secondary bond very quick with Smoot and Stoutmire back.

[joethefan]

What media hype? You don't think Taylor was making some sort of statement by showing up a week late? Did he just forget?

And most of us that you are accusing of "buying into media hype" were speculating this back on draft day, before there was any "media hype."

What's sad is that you want to throw a blanket statement over anybody who doesn't agree with you that all things are just fine and dandy.

well actually some of us were having this issue long before then.....

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I am glad to see that he has some sense of responsibility to his employer. Maybe he heard what Bram said on the show one day about the best way to discuss his future with the team or any unhappiness with his contract is to be at the park to discuss it. But, actually I don't think he would discuss anything, he would leave that up to Drew Rousenhaus.

He probably just wanted to be fashionably late.

[LuvSkins17]

I just checked out his interview and he said all the right things. I was proud of him. He didn't put his business in the media and he just overall did really good. There was a time he wouldn't even talk to the media and now he has a great interview even after not being at OTA's for the first week. No negative talk about Landry or the team as a whole. He sounded like a seasoned vet. I was highly impressed.

I hope he comes to the Beach Blitz!

[shally]

I just checked out his interview and he said all the right things. I was proud of him. He didn't put his business in the media and he just overall did really good. There was a time he wouldn't even talk to the media and now he has a great interview even after not being at OTA's for the first week. No negative talk about Landry or the team as a whole. He sounded like a seasoned vet. I was highly impressed.

I hope he comes to the Beach Blitz!

no reason why he couldnt mature.. let us hope that is what is happening

[LuvSkins17]

lol you guys are funny. Two days ago everyone and their mother's were bashing taylor saying he doesnt deserve the new contract because of a "down year" now that he has shown up he is the greatest person in the world.
Welcome to "hailRedskins"! You should try to bring a lil more to the forum. For you to be reading the forums prior to posting this statement..... You could have put a lil more thought into a first post my friend.

Take your time, excercise your freedom of speech, show class, and maybe try to find the positive in your next post,......... ya know, so the fine people around here can warm up to ya a lil bit.

Just give it a try.

Once again Welcome to hailRedskins,.... " a Classy (***Spencored***) Forum" ! :welcome:

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Great news!
(Any chance Julius Peppers follows him?)

[American Soldier]

Sean loves to play football also. When I met him at tc a couple years ago you could tell how much fun he was having. He was a real likeable guy with a great sense of humor. People quickly forget how much talent this guy has and how many big big plays he has already made for our team. Him and Landry are going to be nasty.

I Agree.