Jimmy Carter Is At It Again...

[BurgundyNGold]

Blasting Bush for being the "worst president". I can't say that I disagree but this guy just keeps setting the bar lower and lower for former presidential etiquette. Can't he just STFU? I understand that he wants to be taken out of that "worst president" slot, but he's starting to sound like Bush's personal Joe Rogan, lol.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/19/AR2007051900212.html

Stick to building houses, J-man.

[CNYSkinFan]

Shally rant in 3...2...1...

[shally]

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CAN HE simply not shut up.. who the **** asked carter for any comments at all ?

stick to building houses and lusting after roselyn in your heart jimmy....

i would say the man was senile, but he sounds the same now as he did 20 years ago

the WORST ??? if that aint the pot calling the kettle...

and i doubt we will hear much of W after he leaves office (probably move to a penthouse suite in bahrain, where he belongs)..

just shut the **** up, jimmy.....


(sorry to take so long, dustin.. i felt like one of those babies that is about to cry and you can see the cry about to come out but it takes about 15-20 seconds for it to happen...LOL)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

CAN HE simply not shut up.. who the **** asked carter for any comments at all ?

stick to building houses and lusting after roselyn in your heart jimmy....

i would say the man was senile, but he sounds the same now as he did 20 years ago

the WORST ??? if that aint the pot calling the kettle...

and i doubt we will hear much of W after he leaves office (probably move to a penthouse suite in bahrain, where he belongs)..

just shut the **** up, jimmy.....


(sorry to take so long, dustin.. i felt like one of those babies that is about to cry and you can see the cry about to come out but it takes about 15-20 seconds for it to happen...LOL)
I'm sensing a certain dislike for JC, shally..is it just an impression? Lol...

[Spence]

Can't get worked up over this. Everyone in this country who isn't actually looking forward to the Rapture knows how bad Bush 2.0 has been. I agree with what Carter says in this story, but this is a shrug my shoulders story for me. If I was an ex-Prez I'd save my political comments for matters that are important and unusual. Carter's just saying what everyone else is saying. What's the point of that? Carter should have more respect for his position and save his public policy comments for areas where he can make a difference. Ripping Bush 4 years ago would have been a lot more courageous.

And just for the record, Bush 2.0 WILL be remembered as a worse Prez than Carter. No contest. Carter was in waaaaaay over his head, but if you lose a war of choice you go to the back of the pack. That's the rule. Lose a war of choice AND turn world-record budget surpluses into world-record budget deficits and you're duking it out with Pierce and Buchanan for the worst ever. [And if Carter's administration was incompetent -- it was -- at least it was honest. Bush has combined breathtaking incompetence with stunning dishonesty and corruption.] In a perverse way, Carter should be happy Bush came along because he's made everyone else look better by comparison.

[akhhorus]

Can't get worked up over this. Everyone in this country who isn't actually looking forward to the Rapture knows how bad Bush 2.0 has been. I agree with what Carter says in this story, but this is a shrug my shoulders story for me. If I was an ex-Prez I'd save my political comments for matters that are important and unusual. Carter's just saying what everyone else is saying. What's the point of that? Carter should have more respect for his position and save his public policy comments for areas where he can make a difference. Ripping Bush 4 years ago would have been a lot more courageous.

And just for the record, Bush 2.0 WILL be remembered as a worse Prez than Carter. No contest. Carter was in waaaaaay over his head, but if you lose a war of choice you go to the back of the pack. That's the rule. Lose a war of choice AND turn world-record budget surpluses into world-record budget deficits and you're duking it out with Pierce and Buchanan for the worst ever. And if Carter's administration was incompetent -- it was -- at least it was honest. Bush has combined breathtaking incompetence with stunning dishonesty and corruption.] In a perverse way, Carter should be happy Bush came along because he's made everyone else look better by comparison.

You know, those of us in the Pierce Society are getting sick of your slanders lmao. We have lawyers, you know!

[BurgundyNGold]

Can't get worked up over this. Everyone in this country who isn't actually looking forward to the Rapture knows how bad Bush 2.0 has been. I agree with what Carter says in this story, but this is a shrug my shoulders story for me. If I was an ex-Prez I'd save my political comments for matters that are important and unusual. Carter's just saying what everyone else is saying. What's the point of that? Carter should have more respect for his position and save his public policy comments for areas where he can make a difference. Ripping Bush 4 years ago would have been a lot more courageous.

And just for the record, Bush 2.0 WILL be remembered as a worse Prez than Carter. No contest. Carter was in waaaaaay over his head, but if you lose a war of choice you go to the back of the pack. That's the rule. Lose a war of choice AND turn world-record budget surpluses into world-record budget deficits and you're duking it out with Pierce and Buchanan for the worst ever. [And if Carter's administration was incompetent -- it was -- at least it was honest. Bush has combined breathtaking incompetence with stunning dishonesty and corruption.] In a perverse way, Carter should be happy Bush came along because he's made everyone else look better by comparison.
I can't argue anything you said. The only exception I would make is that, as I have said before, it's an unwritten rule that ex-Presidents don't speak out against the current administration while thy are in office. I'm not saying that what Carter says is incorrect, only that he shouldn't be saying it, given that his position and that tradition.

[shally]

insufferable...

i will grant you all that bush has been just wretched. he will go down among the bottom tier. but it will take 30-50 years or more for everything to settle out and to gain historical perspective

that said, as bad as bush has been, i would expect for him to refrain from dogging future presidents of both parties with his hubris and continuing vision of all things.

enough of carter... simply enough...

[WarEagle]

I can't argue anything you said. The only exception I would make is that, as I have said before, it's an unwritten rule that ex-Presidents don't speak out against the current administration while thy are in office. I'm not saying that what Carter says is incorrect, only that he shouldn't be saying it, given that his position and that tradition.

Totally bad form on the part of Carter. His judgement continues to be very poor. And he gave such a nice eulogy at Ford's funeral service. I'm really shocked at his comments and can only attribute them to "having been done wrong" by the "Eastern Establishment" at some point in his life. Maybe as far back as the Naval Academy. I don't know.

[RedskinsDave]

To be like Carter, I just called someone bald. This pot-kettle thing is pretty cool.

[Spence]

To be like Carter, I just called someone bald. This pot-kettle thing is pretty cool.Then I'm going to start calling people 4-eyes.

[RedskinsDave]

Then I'm going to start calling people 4-eyes.

Here, here!

[shally]

Here, here!

i would have to start calling people fat, old, bald, ugly and grumpy just to start

[Ibleedburgundy]

meh, the whole "respect the office" principle is overrated IMO. This is America jack. Former President or not, Carter should speak his mind. I don't care what the precedent is.

[GreenspanDan]

W is the president, not the king. didn't we fight a war once over that point?

[shally]

W is the president, not the king. didn't we fight a war once over that point?

carter is entitled to his opinion.. it is just that his drum beating has long since gotten tiresome and serves zero purpose other than puffing himself up

[PennSkinsFan]

I would have disagreed with Carter if he would have said Bush is 'one of the worst ever', but since he said he 'IS the worst ever', well, I have no arguments with his assessment. Bush to me is an embarassment to this nation.

[BurgundyNGold]

I would have disagreed with Carter if he would have said Bush is 'one of the worst ever', but since he said he 'IS the worst ever', well, I have no arguments with his assessment. Bush to me is an embarassment to this nation.
I don't think there is anyone who would argue his right to an opinion, only that he give it so loudly, so publicly and in such contrast to tradition. It shows very little class on his part and makes me wonder if he isn't doing this for egotistical purposes, given that his administration would be rated bottom 5 in its own right.

[BurgundyNGold]

meh, the whole "respect the office" principle is overrated IMO. This is America jack. Former President or not, Carter should speak his mind. I don't care what the precedent is.
Yeah, I guess it's sort of like the unwritten "two terms in office limit" in deference to George Washington. Until someone thought themselves too important to adhere to the tradition, of course. I suppose that's why the fringe elements (both sides) like Carter have to make so many laws. Apparently, as he has shown, man can't be trusted to do the right thing. Not coincidentally, I suppose, the two-term limit for president is law now.

There are good traditions and there are bad traditions. To my way of thinking, the tradition of former heads of state keeping it zipped about a sitting president is a good one. The Congress, plenty of the media and every comedian in the country already serves to show the country and the world that we are of many different minds and that none of them think W is very good. Some think he is disasterous. We don't need former heads of state stepping out of line with 200+ years of established tradition and making the country look fractured to friends and foes alike just because their peckers tell them to. Speaking of peckers, you have to hand it to Clinton. He has served his legacy well (and perhaps best) by keeping his mouth shut about the debacle that is the current administration.

[CNYSkinFan]

Yeah, I guess it's sort of like the unwritten "two terms in office limit" in deference to George Washington. Until someone thought themselves too important to adhere to the tradition, of course. I suppose that's why the fringe elements (both sides) like Carter have to make so many laws. Apparently, as he has shown, man can't be trusted to do the right thing. Not coincidentally, I suppose, the two-term limit for president is law now.

There are good traditions and there are bad traditions. To my way of thinking, the tradition of former heads of state keeping it zipped about a sitting president is a good one. The Congress, plenty of the media and every comedian in the country already serves to show the country and the world that we are of many different minds and that none of them think W is very good. Some think he is disasterous. We don't need former heads of state stepping out of line with 200+ years of established tradition and making the country look fractured to friends and foes alike just because their peckers tell them to. Speaking of peckers, you have to hand it to Clinton. He has served his legacy well (and perhaps best) by keeping his mouth shut about the debacle that is the current administration.
Yeah until next year and he is stumping for Hillary.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah until next year and he is stumping for Hillary.
I think that would be a unique situation, given the nature of that relationship. That said, when stumping and there is no incumbant and no VP is running from the current administration, there isn't much political currency in trashing the current administration, so I don't think he'll do it. There is no need to draw a distinction between Hillary and W and, assuming she gets the nomination, I don't see how any Rep running against her would be seen in the same state as W.

[Ibleedburgundy]

There was a reason for that tradition when Washington did it-the state of our union was not strong. That reason doesn't seem to exist anymore. It's true, the President has many critics but none of them have the perspective of a former President. I welcome that perspective and I don't see it as something that can be replaced by comedians or talking heads. Traditions are good but not at the expense of speaking one's mind.

Clinton's motives for keeping it zipped may have just as much to do with to do with Senator Clinton as tradition.

[BurgundyNGold]

There was a reason for that tradition when Washington did it-the state of our union was not strong. That reason doesn't seem to exist anymore. It's true, the President has many critics but none of them have the perspective of a former President. I welcome that perspective and I don't see it as something that can be replaced by comedians or talking heads. Traditions are good but not at the expense of speaking one's mind.
I disagree. I think that having all the restraint of a hungry ADHD child with a $20 bill in a candy store is a bad thing. Carter needs to show some discipline and just vent to those around him.

Clinton's motives for keeping it zipped may have just as much to do with to do with Senator Clinton as tradition.
Actually, I give Clinton more credit than that. He is a student of history and he knows his place in it.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think that would be a unique situation, given the nature of that relationship. That said, when stumping and there is no incumbant and no VP is running from the current administration, there isn't much political currency in trashing the current administration, so I don't think he'll do it. There is no need to draw a distinction between Hillary and W and, assuming she gets the nomination, I don't see how any Rep running against her would be seen in the same state as W.
If you don't think any Democrat will try and tie the GOP candidate to the current administration ytou are crazy. If W's poll jnumbers keep trending the way they have been over the last year he will be toxic to any GOP bid for the WH or to take back congress. He will be an anchor on many people, espescially Guiliani who stumped for him in 2004 to the point that I thought they were going to get a commitment ceremony in Vermont and McCain who has shouldered the Iraq war burden.

Mitt might be slightly immune but when you stand for nothing it is hard to pin ya down.

[BurgundyNGold]

If you don't think any Democrat will try and tie the GOP candidate to the current administration ytou are crazy. If W's poll jnumbers keep trending the way they have been over the last year he will be toxic to any GOP bid for the WH or to take back congress. He will be an anchor on many people, espescially Guiliani who stumped for him in 2004 to the point that I thought they were going to get a commitment ceremony in Vermont and McCain who has shouldered the Iraq war burden.

Mitt might be slightly immune but when you stand for nothing it is hard to pin ya down.
It remains to be seen if Bill will do that and to what degree. If he says things like "the country is headed in the wrong direction" during an election year for his wife, that's one thing and I think that's acceptable. To try to tie an opponent to that futility is also acceptable. However, to persistently lambast the administration year after year when there is seemingly less political than personal rationale behind it, well, that's something entirely different. That's what Carter has been doing, and, to his credit, I have not seen that out of Clinton.

[CNYSkinFan]

It remains to be seen if Bill will do that and to what degree. If he says things like "the country is headed in the wrong direction" during an election year for his wife, that's one thing and I think that's acceptable. To try to tie an opponent to that futility is also acceptable. However, to persistently lambast the administration year after year when there is seemingly less political than personal rationale behind it, well, that's something entirely different. That's what Carter has been doing, and, to his credit, I have not seen that out of Clinton.
Your right. Clinton finds ways to do the same thing without seeming like it. THat is why he is the most brilliant political mind of his generation. It's why he left office with an overwhelmingly positive approval rating despite being impeached and losing congress for his party.

And at the end of the day I think it is why Hillary will be President in 08. She has Bill on her side and no one else does.

[BurgundyNGold]

Your right. Clinton finds ways to do the same thing without seeming like it. THat is why he is the most brilliant political mind of his generation. It's why he left office with an overwhelmingly positive approval rating despite being impeached and losing congress for his party.

And at the end of the day I think it is why Hillary will be President in 08. She has Bill on her side and no one else does.
If it were simply a matter of getting Clinton 2.0, she'd get my vote. I just wonder how much of that would be the same. She's kind of bossy, lol.

[CNYSkinFan]

If it were simply a matter of getting Clinton 2.0, she'd get my vote. I just wonder how much of that would be the same. She's kind of bossy, lol.
That is her challenge...to make people think it is Clinton 2.0. Don't know if she can do it but I think she can...or will,

The best thing that ever happened to the Clinton Legacy was George W Bush.

[shally]

Your right. Clinton finds ways to do the same thing without seeming like it. THat is why he is the most brilliant political mind of his generation. It's why he left office with an overwhelmingly positive approval rating despite being impeached and losing congress for his party.

And at the end of the day I think it is why Hillary will be President in 08. She has Bill on her side and no one else does.

not true.. HRC has far more negatives to overcome. than bill ever did. having bill campaign for her will help immensely, but in the end she will have to convince people she deserves to be president

and if she cannot generate more likeability, she will have a tough road despite W's gross incompetence

[shally]

That is her challenge...to make people think it is Clinton 2.0. Don't know if she can do it but I think she can...or will,

The best thing that ever happened to the Clinton Legacy was George W Bush.

it is not clinton 2.0 anymore than W was bush 2.0... people will see through that in a hearbeat. she will have bill as her closest advisor, but it is still different

and it is true that bush fatigue is the strongest factor she has going for her

[CNYSkinFan]

it is not clinton 2.0 anymore than W was bush 2.0... people will see through that in a hearbeat. she will have bill as her closest advisor, but it is still different

and it is true that bush fatigue is the strongest factor she has going for her
Well I know many republicans in the North that voted for W in hopes of getting a Bush 2.0. They did not get theri wish but they still voted that way.

Same goes with hillary. I think if she can win the Dem presidnetial nod that she will be able to show the country who she is on the trail and in the debates.

[Spence]

Election years are election years. Bill Clinton tore up Dubya at the DNC in 2004. He'll tear up Dubya again in 2008 -- and the GOP nominee, too. That politics. Clinton and Bush 1.0 are still pals.

[WarEagle]

I disagree. I think that having all the restraint of a hungry ADHD child with a $20 bill in a candy store is a bad thing. Carter needs to show some discipline and just vent to those around him.

Actually, I give Clinton more credit than that. He is a student of history and he knows his place in it.

Bill was still a young man when he became an ex-president, and I've been very impressed with what he's done since then, with his fund raising with Bush 1.0. This surprises me, since I'm a conservative programmed not to like him. I was pretty stunned when he charmed Rush Limbaugh at the restaurant last week. Funny stuff.

[shally]

Election years are election years. Bill Clinton tore up Dubya at the DNC in 2004. He'll tear up Dubya again in 2008 -- and the GOP nominee, too. That politics. Clinton and Bush 1.0 are still pals.


W aint running in 2008... if mccain or romney or rudy is the gop nominee then beating him over the head with W will not likely gain traction.. if it were cheney (God forbid) it might be different

hillary will have to win it by demonstrating she is presidential

[WarEagle]

I feel a need to extend my earlier remarks.

Bush 1.0 and Clinton are the best ex-Presidents I've ever seen. I had little expectations from one-termer Bush, same with the tarnished Clinton, who I thought would divorce the insufferable Hillary and just go nuts on the dating scene (who could blame him). Clinton's health scare and his recovery from heart surgery also put things in perspective for me. He went directly to the Letterman show and told people to eat right.

For years, Carter was doing god's work in his charity efforts like Habitat, and he went around the world building homes for the poor. Then he ruined that image with his increasingly hostile remarks about Israel and occasional anti-American screeds over the past few years. Old age hasn't dimmed his innate humorlessness and nastiness. Too bad. He's become a terrible ex-President.

[dukeuch]

W aint running in 2008... if mccain or romney or rudy is the gop nominee then beating him over the head with W will not likely gain traction.. if it were cheney (God forbid) it might be different

hillary will have to win it by demonstrating she is presidential

I dunno...Guliani claims to have turned to his breakfast companion as he was rushing to the WTC on 9/11 and said "Thank God George Bush is President." The person he supposedly said this to does not back that up, but who you going to believe?

[WarEagle]

I dunno...Guliani claims to have turned to his breakfast companion as he was rushing to the WTC on 9/11 and said "Thank God George Bush is President." The person he supposedly said this to does not back that up, but who you going to believe?

If Rudy keeps mindlessly praising W. and defending this stupid war then I'm writing him off.

[shally]

If Rudy keeps mindlessly praising W. and defending this stupid war then I'm writing him off.

he is between a rock and a hard place...needs to move right to get the nomination and if successful then move to the center

[WarEagle]

he is between a rock and a hard place...needs to move right to get the nomination and if successful then move to the center

Very true. I don't know if the Republican Party has ever forgiven him for endorsing Cuomo over Pataki in the NY governor's race years ago.

[Spence]

Very true. I don't know if the Republican Party has ever forgiven him for endorsing Cuomo over Pataki in the NY governor's race years ago.That tells you a lot about Rudy. He hated Pataki so he crossed party lines and supported the Dem. He fired William Bratton, arguably the greatest police commissioner in the history of the entire country, because he was jealous of all the credit Bratton was deservedly getting for reducing crime in the city. Then he replaced Bratton with the mobbed-up Bernard Kerik.

[WarEagle]

That tells you a lot about Rudy. He hated Pataki so he crossed party lines and supported the Dem. He fired William Bratton, arguably the greatest police commissioner in the history of the entire country, because he was jealous of all the credit Bratton was deservedly getting for reducing crime in the city. Then he replaced Bratton with the mobbed-up Bernard Kerik.

Bratton committed the sin of appearing on the cover of Time magazine without permission. Spence- Whenever you think of Giuliani, the theme from Godfather floats through your head. lol..!

[shally]

That tells you a lot about Rudy. He hated Pataki so he crossed party lines and supported the Dem. He fired William Bratton, arguably the greatest police commissioner in the history of the entire country, because he was jealous of all the credit Bratton was deservedly getting for reducing crime in the city. Then he replaced Bratton with the mobbed-up Bernard Kerik.

rudi is really thin skinned.. it will get him in trouble no matter how far he goes..

[shally]

Bratton committed the sin of appearing on the cover of Time magazine without permission. Spence- Whenever you think of Giuliani, the theme from Godfather floats through your head. lol..!

did bratton form his own consulting firm to advise other cities ? is that what he is doing now ??