LG position

[culpeper]

i know its not a 'hot topic', but do you guys think he can get this done? i am worried about his height on the inside...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26358

[redwolf1218]

i just finished reading that, and it does mention his height several times as being an obstacle, both for him trying to get low, and for Campbell to throw over him if he gets stood up. there is a reason why he will be the tallest LG in the league...

i'm still not so sure he couldnt beat out Jansen at right tackle.

[bergiemoore]

i know its not a 'hot topic', but do you guys think he can get this done? i am worried about his height on the inside...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26358

If his technique is fixed, then his height isn't as big an issue. He's being coached by one of the best OLine coaches in history, IMHO. If Bugel says he's good enough to be the starter, then I have no problems with it.

[culpeper]

i just finished reading that, and it does mention his height several times as being an obstacle, both for him trying to get low, and for Campbell to throw over him if he gets stood up. there is a reason why he will be the tallest LG in the league...

i'm still not so sure he couldnt beat out Jansen at right tackle.
and that my friend is a great question! i would like for us to be in the position for them to compete rather than having to use wade as a LG. before he got hurt and came to us, he was one of the best RT in the league.

[openallnight]

I think Jansen would be a better option at LG and move Wade to RT.

[culpeper]

If his technique is fixed, then his height isn't as big an issue. He's being coached by one of the best OLine coaches in history, IMHO. If Bugel says he's good enough to be the starter, then I have no problems with it.
another great point! i love when buges gets with SJ and george micheals for his interview. he wears everything on his sleeve.

heres to hoping they can get wade's technique down....

[skinfanjon]

and that my friend is a great question! i would like for us to be in the position for them to compete rather than having to use wade as a LG. before he got hurt and came to us, he was one of the best RT in the league.

Wade has never been confused with one of the best RT's in the league, but he played very well in Jansen's absence last season (he also got a ot of help from TE's and FB's). It would be interesting to see if the group would be better with Jansen at G and Wade at T but I think it would brusie Jansens' ego too much. He has been a leader at his spot and to move him would be a problem. SInce he hasn't offered to move, it has to be Wade. I think with a full TC he should be fine.

[redskin_rich]

Jansen needed less help playing on one leg than Wade did healthy at RT. Some short memories around here.

Dockery wasn't exactly short and he settled in fine at Guard. Wade can do it.

[Death_Venom]

Any competition LG is good thing.............Let's make these guys work harder to retain their spots........

[culpeper]

Wade has never been confused with one of the best RT's in the league, but he played very well in Jansen's absence last season (he also got a ot of help from TE's and FB's). It would be interesting to see if the group would be better with Jansen at G and Wade at T but I think it would brusie Jansens' ego too much. He has been a leader at his spot and to move him would be a problem. SInce he hasn't offered to move, it has to be Wade. I think with a full TC he should be fine.
your right i should have said 'better' RT in the league. heres some interesting tid bits
http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=349

[culpeper]

[QUOTE=redskin_rich]Jansen needed less help playing on one leg than Wade did healthy at RT. Some short memories around here.
good point, but i didnt notice where they helped wade a ton. there were a few times the TE stayed in but, i didnt think too often. i could be wrong though.

Dockery wasn't exactly short and he settled in fine at Guard. Wade can do it.
doc was 6'6 and wade is 6'8. i think 2 inches IS a lot at any position on the field. especially when you will be blocking guys that are 6' to 6'5 ish. leverage on the inside is key. i hope youre right though.

[silverspring]

It is hard to say because jansen had various injuries last year, but I thought wade looked really good when he replaced him especially considering that wasn't even his spot. It would be smart to give wade some time at lt and give jansen some time at lg, if not only to motivate jansen.

Otherwise I think wade will be fine at LG, we don't have any other option anyways...

[urobm]

I think Jansen would be a better option at LG and move Wade to RT.


Well, Jansen has been a steady force at RT for his entire career here. I feel as its one of those things where if its not broke then dont fix it. Its different if Jansen would agree to make the transition but he is still effective at RT and I wouldnt try to mix up things too much.

[urobm]

Jansen needed less help playing on one leg than Wade did healthy at RT. Some short memories around here.

Dockery wasn't exactly short and he settled in fine at Guard. Wade can do it.


I doubt his size will be a problem. Dock was 6'6 and Wade is very tchnically sound. He should adjust to the inside and be just fine.

[shally]

i know its not a 'hot topic', but do you guys think he can get this done? i am worried about his height on the inside...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26358

not much taller than dockery...

the question is whether he can get his hips flexed enough to get low and effective.. plus he has more slender hips and rear end than most guards..

but i think he will be fine. if not we have 5 other guys who are possibles too
(lefotu, pucillo, whittley, whittacker and tucker).. the position will be fine

[shally]

Wade has never been confused with one of the best RT's in the league, but he played very well in Jansen's absence last season (he also got a ot of help from TE's and FB's). It would be interesting to see if the group would be better with Jansen at G and Wade at T but I think it would brusie Jansens' ego too much. He has been a leader at his spot and to move him would be a problem. SInce he hasn't offered to move, it has to be Wade. I think with a full TC he should be fine.

jansen's comment on wade moving to guard from tackle.. ?......" better him than me...":lol1:

[bergiemoore]

It is hard to say because jansen had various injuries last year, but I thought wade looked really good when he replaced him especially considering that wasn't even his spot. It would be smart to give wade some time at lt and give jansen some time at lg, if not only to motivate jansen.

Otherwise I think wade will be fine at LG, we don't have any other option anyways...

I'm pretty sure that Wade as been a Right Tackle since he was drafted with the Dolphins. That is his spot. It makes no sense to move Jansen to LG when he's had the starting spot at RT locked down very capably for YEARS.

Wade is hungry for a starting position, and agreed to move to LG so that he may be able to compete for one. I think it is significant that in an offseason where mediocre OLinemen are getting paid insane amounts of $, Wade was unable to find a starting job anywhere else. It is nice that Wade can slide back to RT if Jansen gets injured, though. I think he'll pan out well for us for this season.

[urobm]

not much taller than dockery...

the question is whether he can get his hips flexed enough to get low and effective.. plus he has more slender hips and rear end than most guards..

but i think he will be fine. if not we have 5 other guys who are possibles too
(lefotu, pucillo, whittley, whittacker and tucker).. the position will be fine


Ofcourse we have no bona fide maulers that will take the place of Dock, but in the end we have guys or a guy in Wade that should step right in and not miss a beat. Pucillo is another guy that I feel could also step right in if Wade for some reason faltered. Either way playing next to Samuels will help whomever wins the spot tremendously.

[shally]

Ofcourse we have no bona fide maulers that will take the place of Dock, but in the end we have guys or a guy in Wade that should step right in and not miss a beat. Pucillo is another guy that I feel could also step right in if Wade for some reason faltered. Either way playing next to Samuels will help whomever wins the spot tremendously.


dock was no mauler.. he was much more of a finesse player despite his size. the only people he "mauled" were corners who got in his way as he pulled..

[bergiemoore]

jansen's comment on wade moving to guard from tackle.. ?......" better him than me...":lol1:
:lol1:

Is that an actual quote? That would be too hilarious.

[shally]

Ofcourse we have no bona fide maulers that will take the place of Dock, but in the end we have guys or a guy in Wade that should step right in and not miss a beat. Pucillo is another guy that I feel could also step right in if Wade for some reason faltered. Either way playing next to Samuels will help whomever wins the spot tremendously.

might also help samuels, too.. chris never said anything, but it was obvious that dockery's struggles the first 2 years really had a negative impact upon samuels.. it was only last year that dock finally began to hold his own.

do not count me among those who thought that dock was a "must signing"..
he can and will be replaced

[urobm]

dock was no mauler.. he was much more of a finesse player despite his size. the only people he "mauled" were corners who got in his way as he pulled..


I feel that Dock's problem was simply his inconsisitency, and eventhough he played much better last season, he showed glimpses of what he could do when focused. I saw games where he mandled defenders (mauled), then he would turn around and get beaten by much lesser competition.

[shally]

:lol1:

Is that an actual quote? That would be too hilarious.

yup.. i think it came from the WaPo or the official site from a couple of days ago

[shally]

I feel that Dock's problem was simply his inconsisitency, and eventhough he played much better last season, he showed glimpses of what he could do when focused. I saw games where he mandled defenders (mauled), then he would turn around and get beaten by much lesser competition.

i agree. re signing dock would have been a vote of confidence in his future development, not his past performance. that is what buffalo bought.. we will see.

[bergiemoore]

dock was no mauler.. he was much more of a finesse player despite his size. the only people he "mauled" were corners who got in his way as he pulled..

Why a man that big needed resort to cut blocks is beyond me. Dock was definitely not a "mauler".

[shally]

Why a man that big needed resort to cut blocks is beyond me. Dock was definitely not a "mauler".

true.. but he actually became more effective when he did..go figure.. if nothing else, it got him meaner and more aggressive

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

:lol1:

Is that an actual quote? That would be too hilarious.
Asked whether he could ever see making the switch to guard himself, the 6-6, 308-pound Jansen said, "Better him than me."

Source (http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20070522-123251-7107r_page2.htm)

[skinfan43]

not much taller than dockery...

the question is whether he can get his hips flexed enough to get low and effective.. plus he has more slender hips and rear end than most guards..

but i think he will be fine. if not we have 5 other guys who are possibles too
(lefotu, pucillo, whittley, whittacker and tucker).. the position will be fine
Wade just posted on the Redskins.com blog that wanted to thank you for noticing, shally...:D

[urobm]

true.. but he actually became more effective when he did..go figure.. if nothing else, it got him meaner and more aggressive


Maybe a mauler is a little overstatement, but I surely saw a meaner and more agressive Dock last year. I was waiting to see him perform that way for the last 3 years.

[Red Bear]

i think wade will be fine and is smart enough to make the switch, altho technique may be more important for him than someone else

[shally]

i think wade will be fine and is smart enough to make the switch, altho technique may be more important for him than someone else

agree. but he is really going to have to focus on technique or he will be marched back into the qb a lot..

low man wins in line play

[bgforever]

I am guessing, Wade eventually defaults back to being a backup to Jansen, BUT, because of the constant practice at LG, he, like Marshall and Wynn, becomes an invaluable multiposition player. I think Wade will impress good enough to be an emergency LG, but the sad reality is, when the games start, with stunts, great inside rushers/blitzers (Lewis, ZachThomas, Giant's Pierce, Eagles front 7), it will be far different, plus they will have speed.

Wade's going to have to adjust from "funneling" a DE/ outside rusher to an area, to being able to subdue for a brief 2 seconds or so, at low to ground, DT's weighing up to 70 lbs more, who are athletic, with good speed, hands, wrestling ability.

[shally]

I am guessing, Wade eventually defaults back to being a backup to Jansen, BUT, because of the constant practice at LG, he, like Marshall and Wynn, becomes an invaluable multiposition player. I think Wade will impress good enough to be an emergency LG, but the sad reality is, when the games start, with stunts, great inside rushers/blitzers (Lewis, ZachThomas, Giant's Pierce, Eagles front 7), it will be far different, plus they will have speed.

Wade's going to have to adjust from "funneling" a DE/ outside rusher to an area, to being able to subdue for a brief 2 seconds or so, at low to ground, DT's weighing up to 70 lbs more, who are athletic, with good speed, hands, wrestling ability.

could be true.. but all last year everyone had lots of good things to say about wade in practice.. and i imagine it wasnt only his tackle play.. he is gonna be fine

[redskin_rich]

agree. but he is really going to have to focus on technique or he will be marched back into the qb a lot..

low man wins in line play
Not necessarily. If we run a lot of trap, counters and pulling plays (which seem to be the bread and butter of this offense), a charging DT can be taken advantage of.
There will be players that Wade can control and there will be some he can't. As always, it's up to the coaches to gameplan and adjust accordingly. It's not like we lost our best lineman, not even close and we aren't throwing a rookie into the spot.

[shally]

Not necessarily. If we run a lot of trap, counters and pulling plays (which seem to be the bread and butter of this offense), a charging DT can be taken advantage of.
There will be players that Wade can control and there will be some he can't. As always, it's up to the coaches to gameplan and adjust accordingly. It's not like we lost our best lineman, not even close and we aren't throwing a rookie into the spot.

again, i think the o line will be beyond solid this year (barring injuries) and dock will not be missed at all.

still, in contrast to most guards who are bottom heavy, wade is top heavy and it will take some adjustment in his technique and the way he thinks about the position.

his feet wont be as important, but his hands sure will be

[urobm]

could be true.. but all last year everyone had lots of good things to say about wade in practice.. and i imagine it wasnt only his tackle play.. he is gonna be fine

Wade was metioned often last year. He has starting ability, and the thing that stands out about him besides his size is his football smarts. There is a reason we resigned him. He will be fine, and the OL will still be stellar.

[shally]

Wade was metioned often last year. He has starting ability, and the thing that stands out about him besides his size is his football smarts. There is a reason we resigned him. He will be fine, and the OL will still be stellar.

amen.. lots of quality depth for the o line as well..looks like buges is passing on the youngsters in favor of young-ish vets.. let's hope plan B works because a lot of those young guys are on other teams rosters or PS's

[skinsfan36]

i think wade will be fine if he stays low. im comfortable with the people we have behind him with experience though pucillo,whittaker,whitley,tucker.we will be fine

[Hr fan]

i know its not a 'hot topic', but do you guys think he can get this done? i am worried about his height on the inside...
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26358

Buges converted Jacoby to OLG very successfully, prolonging Joe's career, and I believe he is an inch taller.

[Hr fan]

and that my friend is a great question! i would like for us to be in the position for them to compete rather than having to use wade as a LG. before he got hurt and came to us, he was one of the best RT in the league.

It would seem to me that Jansen is more like an OG than Wade. He is more of a mauler. I guess that this might affect locker room chemistry however.

[Red Bear]

It would seem to me that Jansen is more like an OG than Wade. He is more of a mauler. I guess that this might affect locker room chemistry however.

why ruin chemistry on two sides of the line, when we can plug in wade at guard and let him work on building chemistry with rabach and samuels and leave the right side intact

[Hr fan]

why ruin chemistry on two sides of the line, when we can plug in wade at guard and let him work on building chemistry with rabach and samuels and leave the right side intact

Agree that LOG is Wade's position if he wants to start with this team. I also trust Buges, he converted Jacoby to the same position. That's why I called it musing. Jansen's statement about it was better Wade than him struck me as realizing that using him (Jansen) at G was a real possibility and he was glad that it didn't happen. Further think in pass pro Wade will be much better than Dock if he can get low enough to stop bull rushers. His ability to slide and adjust is better than Dock, and will help make Samuels all pro since he won't have to look to his right IMO.

[Patrick]

LG is now the WEAK link on the O-line. Wade is a project and hopefully will be able to do adequate job BUT let's not fool ourself in believing that he's a "Road Grader" like Doc was. ... AND I won't be surprised to see a few vets coming through the doors at Redskins Park in the next 4 weeks.

[bergiemoore]

LG is now the WEAK link on the O-line. Wade is a project and hopefully will be able to do adequate job BUT let's not fool ourself in believing that he's a "Road Grader" like Doc was. ... AND I won't be surprised to see a few vets coming through the doors at Redskins Park in the next 4 weeks.

LG has been the weak link of our line for the past 3 years. Dock is not a "Road Grader". He's a big man that had to resort to chop blocks to be effective. He was inconsistent over his stay with us, providing us with one productive season. I'd rather have him, then not, but I feel like his was the easiest of the positions to replace.

God help us if Samuels' gets injured.

[urobm]

why ruin chemistry on two sides of the line, when we can plug in wade at guard and let him work on building chemistry with rabach and samuels and leave the right side intact


Yeah the chemistry is there at the T spots. Samuels and Jansen have been getting it done for a long time now. There is no reason to interfere with that, unless Jansen is openly willing to convert to G which I doubt. Jansen is the ultimate pro and will do whatever the team asks of him, but there is no reason to shuffle.

[urobm]

LG has been the weak link of our line for the past 3 years. Dock is not a "Road Grader". He's a big man that had to resort to chop blocks to be effective. He was inconsistent over his stay with us, providing us with one productive season. I'd rather have him, then not, but I feel like his was the easiest of the positions to replace.

God help us if Samuels' gets injured.

If Samuels got hurt this OL would be in trouble. He is the vet that hold this OL together. That would be the worst case scenario.

[Keino]

Questions for all you Madden GMs who think we should simply move Jansen to LG:

When has Jansen ever displayed that he is nimble enough to play Guard?

When has Jansen ever in his career, college (Michigan) or Pro played on the Left side of the line?

Why in the world would we tinker with the known quantity to put 2 unknowns in our offensive line?

[Patrick]

Questions for all you Madden GMs who think we should simply move Jansen to LG:

When has Jansen ever displayed that he is nimble enough to play Guard?

When has Jansen ever in his career, college (Michigan) or Pro played on the Left side of the line?

Why in the world would we tinker with the known quantity to put 2 unknowns in our offensive line?

Was wondering the same thing myself - Jansen is one of the top ten tackles in the league. I've NEVER heard anything LESS than he's a very solid player for his position.

[BurgundyNGold]

Questions for all you Madden GMs who think we should simply move Jansen to LG:

When has Jansen ever displayed that he is nimble enough to play Guard?

When has Jansen ever in his career, college (Michigan) or Pro played on the Left side of the line?

Why in the world would we tinker with the known quantity to put 2 unknowns in our offensive line?
I agree with all of these points. The only thing that I can think of that might be a reason is that Jansen might have lost a bit of his ability to wheel. If that has indeed happened, a move inside could extend his career.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Questions for all you Madden GMs who think we should simply move Jansen to LG:

When has Jansen ever displayed that he is nimble enough to play Guard?

When has Jansen ever in his career, college (Michigan) or Pro played on the Left side of the line?

Why in the world would we tinker with the known quantity to put 2 unknowns in our offensive line?
All the reasons why it's not going to happen.

[Meatsnack]

Once my fear and loathing of having a 6'8" guard trying to man-up against the Haloti Ngatas/Ted washingtons of the world subsided, I was actually excited to see what Buges could do with play design.

As a career RT, Wade is lighter on his feet that most guards and has to be able to hit moving targets. I think we can use him and Randy Thomas to have a very effective pair of 2nd-level pulling guards. Dockery was terrible at hitting a moving target in the open field on the rare occasion they asked him to pull. He looked especially bad compared to Thomas who has great balance and is very adept getting to the LBs and even DBs.

I am also wondering if Wade is fast enough to substitute for a pulling center, who can wreak havoc when you find the rare center capable of doing it.

[GWBlitzST]

It's left guard people. He will be pulling ALL day and his pass blocking skills are solid.

[bgforever]

Once my fear and loathing of having a 6'8" guard trying to man-up against the Haloti Ngatas/Ted washingtons of the world subsided, I was actually excited to see what Buges could do with play design.

As a career RT, Wade is lighter on his feet that most guards and has to be able to hit moving targets. I think we can use him and Randy Thomas to have a very effective pair of 2nd-level pulling guards. Dockery was terrible at hitting a moving target in the open field on the rare occasion they asked him to pull. He looked especially bad compared to Thomas who has great balance and is very adept getting to the LBs and even DBs.

I am also wondering if Wade is fast enough to substitute for a pulling center, who can wreak havoc when you find the rare center capable of doing it.

Oh yeah, that guy from Green Bay , Len Hauss, Mick Tinglehoff and Mel Ott, you get me a guy like that with Thomas and if Wade can pitch in, you darn right, that would be scary!!!! Since Jansen's great at blocking down his man, you can motion your TE against the strength of the opponent's DLine and get acquisition on the backers.

Oh and you guys are ALL correct about his (WADE'S) height not being a problem. Mark May, like Ray Brown, was 6' 7' (see Signature Photo below of #73 and compare his height with Joe Jacoby, a OT (far right). Only George Starke, another OT, is as tall. Mark May was a mainstay in that historic and dominating OLine. Theismann, was the QB, as was Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, and none had a problem with May's height.

[shally]

If Samuels got hurt this OL would be in trouble. He is the vet that hold this OL together. That would be the worst case scenario.

how many teams could overcome the loss of their starting probowl LT ??
not many for certain

[shally]

Oh yeah, that guy from Green Bay , Len Hauss, Mick Tinglehoff and Mel Ott, you get me a guy like that with Thomas and if Wade can pitch in, you darn right, that would be scary!!!! Since Jansen's great at blocking down his man, you can motion your TE against the strength of the opponent's DLine and get acquisition on the backers.

Oh and you guys are ALL correct about his (WADE'S) height not being a problem. Mark May, like Ray Brown, was 6' 7' (see Signature Photo below of #73 and compare his height with Joe Jacoby, a OT (far right). Only George Starke, another OT, is as tall. Mark May was a mainstay in that historic and dominating OLine. Theismann, was the QB, as was Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, and none had a problem with May's height.

but may was build more stoutly than wade.. that is the only concern. wade still has a tackle's body, very much so.. and he will be going against fireplugs on the d line.. he will have to work on getting low in his stance.

[Redskinfan28]

Mark May was 6'6:

http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=90096

Wade's height will be an issue until he proves he can effectively play guard. Even Wade himself has said he has to learn to play lower.

[Redskinfan28]

He is a big SOB:

http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LDNGKEBIJGLB/LB1J5884pg.jpg

[urobm]

I agree with all of these points. The only thing that I can think of that might be a reason is that Jansen might have lost a bit of his ability to wheel. If that has indeed happened, a move inside could extend his career.


A move probaly would extend his career, but he is stll effective at his natural RT. The move might eventuallt happen, but no reason to do it this year.

[shally]

He is a big SOB:

http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LDNGKEBIJGLB/LB1J5884pg.jpg

yes he is but still he is lankier than a lot of interior linemen and that size is not an asset unless he can get his center of mass lowered...

[urobm]

how many teams could overcome the loss of their starting probowl LT ??
not many for certain

Oh ofcourse, he has been so solid I just never thought about him not being there for an extended period of time. That post about if CS went down kinda brought me to reality.

[shally]

for all the complaints about samuels, he has really showed up and played year after year.. i guess when you are taken 3rd overall in the draft people expect stellar performance in every way.. he has had his problems with speed rushers and some players in particular, but the skins have gotten good value from him.

he is the kind of guy that would be missed more than most would suspect, and once he is finally gone, will be looked backed upon with more affection than perhaps he gets while he is playing

very glad we have him

[urobm]

for all the complaints about samuels, he has really showed up and played year after year.. i guess when you are taken 3rd overall in the draft people expect stellar performance in every way.. he has had his problems with speed rushers and some players in particular, but the skins have gotten good value from him.

he is the kind of guy that would be missed more than most would suspect, and once he is finally gone, will be looked backed upon with more affection than perhaps he gets while he is playing

very glad we have him


Well said, when a player is drafted that at times the expectations are riddiculous. He has come in season after season and simply produced, at times even dominated. The occasional struggles as you say do take place, but the good outweight the occasional bad. We have gotten very good value for him and I hope he hangs around for a while, because I havent seen too much of a decrease in his performance thus far.

[shally]

Well said, when a player is drafted that at times the expectations are riddiculous. He has come in season after season and simply produced, at times even dominated. The occasional struggles as you say do take place, but the good outweight the occasional bad. We have gotten very good value for him and I hope he hangs around for a while, because I havent seen too much of a decrease in his performance thus far.

and he has been a team player who has re done his contract to permit the skins to keep or acquire other players. granted, it has helped his bottom line as well, but he has been there every time he has been asked

he is a team player and from all i have read, he has been a model citizen.
okay, at times he has not been the second coming of jon ogden but comparing his performance to that of gallery, who was an equally high pick, or even mckinnie should ground people in reality. he has been a quality performer in every way.

admittedly, he has a lot of problems with simeon rice.. but then so do a lot of other tackles

[urobm]

and he has been a team player who has re done his contract to permit the skins to keep or acquire other players. granted, it has helped his bottom line as well, but he has been there every time he has been asked

he is a team player and from all i have read, he has been a model citizen.
okay, at times he has not been the second coming of jon ogden but comparing his performance to that of gallery, who was an equally high pick, or even mckinnie should ground people in reality. he has been a quality performer in every way.

admittedly, he has a lot of problems with simeon rice.. but then so do a lot of other tackles


Cant ask for too much more!!

[HanburgerBum]

Questions for all you Madden GMs who think we should simply move Jansen to LG:

When has Jansen ever displayed that he is nimble enough to play Guard?

When has Jansen ever in his career, college (Michigan) or Pro played on the Left side of the line?

Why in the world would we tinker with the known quantity to put 2 unknowns in our offensive line?


But, so far as I know, Wade has never played on the left side either before this. Jansen's play (although still decent) has slipped some the last couple of years--perhaps due to injuries.

Wade showed last year that he can still play RT very adequately. If he has trouble adjusting to LG, Jansen should be willing to try LG and leave RT for Wade for the good of the team.

One of the all time great Redskin tackles Joe Jacoby--a greater player than Jansen--made a smooth transition to guard, so why should Jansen feel mistreated if asked to do the same? God knows, the Redskins have paid Jon handsomely all these years. He should show some leadership and loyalty to the organization if Buges asks him to try LG by embracing the request heartily.

A further benefit of trying Jansen at LG would be the multi-position factor that would provide quality depth through versatility and help save roster spots for other positions (including special teams).

[shally]

But, so far as I know, Wade has never played on the left side either before this. Jansen's play (although still decent) has slipped some the last couple of years--perhaps due to injuries.

Wade showed last year that he can still play RT very adequately. If he has trouble adjusting to LG, Jansen should be willing to try LG and leave RT for Wade for the good of the team.

One of the all time great Redskin tackles Joe Jacoby--a greater player than Jansen--made a smooth transition to guard, so why should Jansen feel mistreated if asked to do the same? God knows, the Redskins have paid Jon handsomely all these years. He should show some leadership and loyalty to the organization if Buges asks him to try LG by embracing the request heartily.

A further benefit of trying Jansen at LG would be the multi-position factor that would provide quality depth through versatility and help save roster spots for other positions (including special teams).

it may be that jansen cannot play on the left side...or it may be that he feels he has earned the right to stay at tackle until someone better than he comes along

[PennSkinsFan]

I just don't think Wade is going to be handed the job. I think he will battle guys like Lefotu, Tucker, and Pucillo. Whop knows, maybe we'll even see an undrafted free agent surprise.

[shally]

I just don't think Wade is going to be handed the job. I think he will battle guys like Lefotu, Tucker, and Pucillo. Whop knows, maybe we'll even see an undrafted free agent surprise.

i agree.. i think wade gets first shot at the job and i do not think he would have signed if he thought he couldnt win the position outright.

still, there will be some major competition for the spot and if he falters, any of the reserves could step forward.

[skinsfan36]

i agree.. i think wade gets first shot at the job and i do not think he would have signed if he thought he couldnt win the position outright.

still, there will be some major competition for the spot and if he falters, any of the reserves could step forward.

id like to see a guard of the future step up,and a tackle also. maybe lefotu,armstong,heyer,whittaker. 2 of 4 is not to much to ask for is it?:awesomewo

[FanFromArizona]

i agree.. i think wade gets first shot at the job and i do not think he would have signed if he thought he couldnt win the position outright.

still, there will be some major competition for the spot and if he falters, any of the reserves could step forward.

I'm hoping that we can plug Wade in at LG nicely and continue to use Pucillo in jumbo formations like we did last year. Our running game should continue to enjoy numbers similar to last year's production.

Buges must be happy with the depth that he now enjoys, I hope we can begin the training for our future replacements(people like Lefotu).

[shally]

id like to see a guard of the future step up,and a tackle also. maybe lefotu,armstong,heyer,whittaker. 2 of 4 is not to much to ask for is it?:awesomewo

i do not think that is going to happen.. last year they loaded up with young guys hoping that one would step up.. none did and they all were sent packing in one way or the other

this year it looks like the emphasis will be on youngish veterans

sooner or later they will have to invest some first day draft picks for young o lineman. i see that starting to happen with the 2008 draft

[urobm]

I just don't think Wade is going to be handed the job. I think he will battle guys like Lefotu, Tucker, and Pucillo. Whop knows, maybe we'll even see an undrafted free agent surprise.

I agree Wade wont be handed the job, but he does have the first crack at it. Its pretty much his job to lose, but I wouldnt be suprised if someone jumped ahead of him before the season began. If Wade doesnt show he can handle that spot it, the competition will be wide open.

[FanFromArizona]

i do not think that is going to happen.. last year they loaded up with young guys hoping that one would step up.. none did and they all were sent packing in one way or the other

this year it looks like the emphasis will be on youngish veterans

sooner or later they will have to invest some first day draft picks for young o lineman. i see that starting to happen with the 2008 draft

Well, one good thing that we can take out of this draft is that we kept our draft picks, we will have at LEAST six picks (no fourth rounder). Hopefully we can use our first day picks in the next draft to make us younger on both sides of the lines.

[urobm]

Well, one good thing that we can take out of this draft is that we kept our draft picks, we will have at LEAST six picks (no fourth rounder). Hopefully we can use our first day picks in the next draft to make us younger on both sides of the lines.

With an emphasis on the DL, I hope.

[HanburgerBum]

it may be that jansen cannot play on the left side...or it may be that he feels he has earned the right to stay at tackle until someone better than he comes along


I am not looking to move Jansen to LG, unless Wade is having difficulty there. If that happens, why not try Jon? The Skins will never know whether he can play LG if they don't even try him at that spot.

As for his having earned the right to stay at right tackle, that's so. But, a true team player would not object to trying something new if that would help the TEAM. Besides, any such move isn't going to be detrimental to Jon's career. At his age, he is already past any more big contracts. If anything, demonstrating that he can also play guard would help lengthen Jansen's career (like it did for Jacoby).

[shally]

I am not looking to move Jansen to LG, unless Wade is having difficulty there. If that happens, why not try Jon? The Skins will never know whether he can play LG if they don't even try him at that spot.

As for his having earned the right to stay at right tackle, that's so. But, a true team player would not object to trying something new if that would help the TEAM. Besides, any such move isn't going to be detrimental to Jon's career. At his age, he is already past any more big contracts. If anything, demonstrating that he can also play guard would help lengthen Jansen's career (like it did for Jacoby).

no.. why weaken 2 positions ? if jansen is the best fit for the RT position
then leave him there. if wade cannot win the LG position then go to plan B such as tucker or pucillo, or lefotu etc..

[bgforever]

Mark May was 6'6:

http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=90096

Wade's height will be an issue until he proves he can effectively play guard. Even Wade himself has said he has to learn to play lower.

Thanks on the correction of the inch :)

signed,
Mr. Inch Worm

(I just went off my recollection of how I saw them play, back in the day and found some old photos.

[Redskinfan28]

Thanks on the correction of the inch :)

signed,
Mr. Inch Worm

(I just went off my recollection of how I saw them play, back in the day and found some old photos.

Well, you were wrong - don't let it happen again. :Peace:

[HanburgerBum]

no.. why weaken 2 positions ? if jansen is the best fit for the RT position
then leave him there. if wade cannot win the LG position then go to plan B such as tucker or pucillo, or lefotu etc..


I am not sure having Wade at RT weakens that position. He has had a ton of starts at that position and played well when subbing for Jansen last year.

As for Pucillo and Tucker (or Lefotu, etc), I am not sure if any of them is an adequate starter. My guess is Jansen would be better than these guys at LG.

[FanFromArizona]

You know, one thing that I have considered, but have not seen mentioned, is why don't we move Rabach back to guard, if I am mistaken, didn't he play LG when he was at Baltimore? I know he played some guard, but just was not sure which side it was.

I recognize the problem this would create for Jason(developing trust/chemistry with the snapper/QB), but it could work.

[bergiemoore]

I am not sure having Wade at RT weakens that position. He has had a ton of starts at that position and played well when subbing for Jansen last year.

If Wade were good enough to unseat Jansen, then why, in an off-season where Dockery got Hutchinson money, could he not find a starting job on another team? He was picked up pretty cheaply by the Skins because he was coming off an injury, but, obviously, there's not a whole lot of people in the league ready to give him a 3rd chance at a starting job.

As for Pucillo and Tucker (or Lefotu, etc), I am not sure if any of them is an adequate starter. My guess is Jansen would be better than these guys at LG.

Who's to say? It's really hard to tell how good Jansen would be at position that he's never played, versus a couple of career back-ups and a young guy who's having a nice outing in NFL Europa. Personally, I would rather Buges develop Lefotu into a starter, much in the same manner he developed Dockery into a halfway decent guard. Lefotu seems to have the physical abilities. The big question for him is, how does he respond when the level of competition is raised to NFL standards?

[HanburgerBum]

If Wade were good enough to unseat Jansen, then why, in an off-season where Dockery got Hutchinson money, could he not find a starting job on another team? He was picked up pretty cheaply by the Skins because he was coming off an injury, but, obviously, there's not a whole lot of people in the league ready to give him a 3rd chance at a starting job.


Who's to say? It's really hard to tell how good Jansen would be at position that he's never played, versus a couple of career back-ups and a young guy who's having a nice outing in NFL Europa. Personally, I would rather Buges develop Lefotu into a starter, much in the same manner he developed Dockery into a halfway decent guard. Lefotu seems to have the physical abilities. The big question for him is, how does he respond when the level of competition is raised to NFL standards?


While I was a little surprised that Wade did not leave via FA, I think his age worked against him there. Generally, teams don't like to give lucrative contracts to players approaching or past 30.

As for Wade replacing Jansen at RT, I am not advocating that per se (although I think Jon's play has slipped some the last couple of years). I am only suggesting that if the conversion of Wade to LG proves unsuccessful, the team should consider trying Jansen there as another option. And, if the coaches want to go in that direction, Jon should embrace it rather than fight it.

If one of the backups like Pucillo, Tucker, Lefotu etc shows that he can be a reliable starter at LG, that's fine with me. Wade can be the backup tackle.

[HanburgerBum]

You know, one thing that I have considered, but have not seen mentioned, is why don't we move Rabach back to guard, if I am mistaken, didn't he play LG when he was at Baltimore? I know he played some guard, but just was not sure which side it was.

I recognize the problem this would create for Jason(developing trust/chemistry with the snapper/QB), but it could work.


If Rabach is moved to LG, how would start at center? If anything, the depth at center may be even weaker than that at guard.

[bgforever]

You know, one thing that I have considered, but have not seen mentioned, is why don't we move Rabach back to guard, if I am mistaken, didn't he play LG when he was at Baltimore? I know he played some guard, but just was not sure which side it was.

I recognize the problem this would create for Jason(developing trust/chemistry with the snapper/QB), but it could work.

Ditto on this. It is VERY likely we are going to see a similarity of the 1986-1992 version of the Skins OL. Nearly EVERY player will have second, and in some cases, third option as a depth player behind each other. They aren't going to be deeply into each one, like Rabach or Wade, but enough to fill in for each other in an emergency. The best 2 to to 3 snappers, even a 3 deep OL, would be slated to be in rotation with Rabach, if Rabach had to sub at OG, or a player, like Wade moves to OT, and a player better suited for handling OG at the time, takes the spot Wade had, so Wade can focus on OT, at that time. The past few seasons, we had a couple of players able to do this, but its more like 5-6 now.

[Meatsnack]

As much as we have invested in Campbell and his mechanics, why would we switch his center under any but the most extreme conditions? Making him adapt to another butt could throw off what he is trying to make automatic. Rabach stays put unless something bizarre happens.

[shally]

If Rabach is moved to LG, how would start at center? If anything, the depth at center may be even weaker than that at guard.

no. you dont weaken the center position.. too many bad memories of moore sailing snaps over the qb's head.

Ditto on this. It is VERY likely we are going to see a similarity of the 1986-1992 version of the Skins OL. Nearly EVERY player will have second, and in some cases, third option as a depth player behind each other. They aren't going to be deeply into each one, like Rabach or Wade, but enough to fill in for each other in an emergency. The best 2 to to 3 snappers, even a 3 deep OL, would be slated to be in rotation with Rabach, if Rabach had to sub at OG, or a player, like Wade moves to OT, and a player better suited for handling OG at the time, takes the spot Wade had, so Wade can focus on OT, at that time. The past few seasons, we had a couple of players able to do this, but its more like 5-6 now.

yes. we have a lot of quality depth all along the line. should be a pleasure to watch the line work and i would expect the skins cuts to get picked up elsewhere. even last year they did

As much as we have invested in Campbell and his mechanics, why would we switch his center under any but the most extreme conditions? Making him adapt to another butt could throw off what he is trying to make automatic. Rabach stays put unless something bizarre happens.

totally agree

If Wade were good enough to unseat Jansen, then why, in an off-season where Dockery got Hutchinson money, could he not find a starting job on another team? He was picked up pretty cheaply by the Skins because he was coming off an injury, but, obviously, there's not a whole lot of people in the league ready to give him a 3rd chance at a starting job.


Who's to say? It's really hard to tell how good Jansen would be at position that he's never played, versus a couple of career back-ups and a young guy who's having a nice outing in NFL Europa. Personally, I would rather Buges develop Lefotu into a starter, much in the same manner he developed Dockery into a halfway decent guard. Lefotu seems to have the physical abilities. The big question for him is, how does he respond when the level of competition is raised to NFL standards?

i think wade was looking to start at RT.. he didnt find much interest there and wasnt offered a contract from what i read. he is viewed as a backup RT.. let's see if he is a starting LG

lefotu is the wild card. none of the others have much of a history of starting
in the nfl.. tucker had a few. wade some at tackle.. if lefotu turns into a legitimate starter at guard the skins may be set for years. but remember, lefotu wasnt close to nailing a spot last yea, even as a reserve, and needs to come along long way

[skinsfan36]

as far as moving rabach to guard thats a dumb move our backup center is pucillo and emergency center would be albright

[urobm]

as far as moving rabach to guard thats a dumb move our backup center is pucillo and emergency center would be albright

Yeah moving him would only make the line weaker. We shoudlnt mess with positions that are already set.

[skinsfan36]

one thing is we should have faith in bugel if nothing else this line has been the most consistent part of the team the last 2 yrs(3 if you take away raymer)

[shally]

one thing is we should have faith in bugel if nothing else this line has been the most consistent part of the team the last 2 yrs(3 if you take away raymer)

having faith in raymer proved to be one of the most foolish things of bugel's long career.
he must go to bed saying to himself, "what was i thinking ?" about that move

[ukskin]

lefotu is the wild card. none of the others have much of a history of starting
in the nfl..

Pucillo, Tucker, Whitley & Whitticker have 67 starts between them and all have had one season when they started more than 10 games. Pucillo and Tucker have starting experience at both center and guard.

The one thing that might be going for Lefotu is that he played some tackle in college. If he shows he could play right tackle in an emergency as well as guard, he may just secure himself a roster spot.

[bergiemoore]

Pucillo, Tucker, Whitley & Whitticker have 67 starts between them and all have had one season when they started more than 10 games. Pucillo and Tucker have starting experience at both center and guard.

The one thing that might be going for Lefotu is that he played some tackle in college. If he shows he could play right tackle in an emergency as well as guard, he may just secure himself a roster spot.

Dead on about the importance of versatility in this offense. I'm hoping that among the aforementioned back-ups and young guys, we have at least one bona fide starter emerge. I'm really not that concerned, however, as I think this unit has been one of the most consistent, and best performing units on this team over the last 4 years.

Lefotu is having a good time in Europe, and I wish him well. It would be nice to see one of our later round picks turn into something that could benefit this team.

[Meatsnack]

having faith in raymer proved to be one of the most foolish things of bugel's long career.
he must go to bed saying to himself, "what was i thinking ?" about that move

He has a weakness with centers. He benched Bostic for Grimm at one point, weakening two positions on the line. I think he wants his center to be able to swat people off the ball without help and very, very few can do that.

[HanburgerBum]

having faith in raymer proved to be one of the most foolish things of bugel's long career.
he must go to bed saying to himself, "what was i thinking ?" about that move


In 2005, the defense was hot and the offense was passable. Bugel's decision to keep and then play Raymer in the Seattle playoff game arguably cost the team a shot at the SB that season.

[HanburgerBum]

no. you dont weaken the center position.. too many bad memories of moore sailing snaps over the qb's head.



yes. we have a lot of quality depth all along the line. should be a pleasure to watch the line work and i would expect the skins cuts to get picked up elsewhere. even last year they did



totally agree



i think wade was looking to start at RT.. he didnt find much interest there and wasnt offered a contract from what i read. he is viewed as a backup RT.. let's see if he is a starting LG

lefotu is the wild card. none of the others have much of a history of starting
in the nfl.. tucker had a few. wade some at tackle.. if lefotu turns into a legitimate starter at guard the skins may be set for years. but remember, lefotu wasnt close to nailing a spot last yea, even as a reserve, and needs to come along long way


If memory serves, Wade has had more than "some" starts at tackle. He has been a starter basically his entire career except for the last couple of years when injuries struck.

If Jansen misses some games at RT this year, I feel confident that Wade would do a good job there.

[shally]

If memory serves, Wade has had more than "some" starts at tackle. He has been a starter basically his entire career except for the last couple of years when injuries struck.

If Jansen misses some games at RT this year, I feel confident that Wade would do a good job there.

you are right. i could have put it better

[shally]

If memory serves, Wade has had more than "some" starts at tackle. He has been a starter basically his entire career except for the last couple of years when injuries struck.

If Jansen misses some games at RT this year, I feel confident that Wade would do a good job there.

Pucillo, Tucker, Whitley & Whitticker have 67 starts between them and all have had one season when they started more than 10 games. Pucillo and Tucker have starting experience at both center and guard.

The one thing that might be going for Lefotu is that he played some tackle in college. If he shows he could play right tackle in an emergency as well as guard, he may just secure himself a roster spot.

none have been able to hold onto a starting position, however, so it is risky to assume that any of them can do that now.
maybe they have gotten better and stronger.. but the safest assumption is that all are quality depth and potential spot starters and nothing more.

it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised

[HanburgerBum]

none have been able to hold onto a starting position, however, so it is risky to assume that any of them can do that now.
maybe they have gotten better and stronger.. but the safest assumption is that all are quality depth and potential spot starters and nothing more.

it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised


Amen, it would really be nice to be pleasantly surprised by a low draftee or a rookie FA this year. When is the last time that happened? Golston looks to have the potential, but he is not there yet.

Where are the Chris Hanburgers, Monty Colemans, Mark Schlereths, Joe Jacobys, Jeff Bostics, Charlie Browns, Larry Browns, Mark Mosleys, Gary Clarks, Ricky Sanderses, Clint Didiers, Darrell Grants, Neal Olkewiczs, Mike Basses, Mike Nelmses this organization used to come with?

[shally]

Amen, it would really be nice to be pleasantly surprised by a low draftee or a rookie FA this year. When is the last time that happened? Golston looks to have the potential, but he is not there yet.

Where are the Chris Hanburgers, Monty Colemans, Mark Schlereths, Joe Jacobys, Jeff Bostics, Charlie Browns, Larry Browns, Mark Mosleys, Gary Clarks, Ricky Sanderses, Clint Didiers, Darrell Grants, Neal Olkewiczs, Mike Basses, Mike Nelmses this organization used to come with?

a very good question.. even where are the pierces and marshalls ?
we need to do better uncovering gems

[firehawk157]

a very good question.. even where are the pierces and marshalls ?
we need to do better uncovering gems

They are all on a different team as it turns out...

[PA Skins Girl]

Mike Sellers is the only hidden gem that comes to mind right now.

[skins111111]

not much taller than dockery...

the question is whether he can get his hips flexed enough to get low and effective.. plus he has more slender hips and rear end than most guards..

but i think he will be fine. if not we have 5 other guys who are possibles too
(lefotu, pucillo, whittley, whittacker and tucker).. the position will be fine

the FO seems to feel Wade will be fine.......everything else seems to be falling in place but if the OL fails we all fail......I hope your right:)

[skinsfan36]

camp should get interesting to see who ends up as keepers since we have some good competition along the whole line for backup jobs.

[bgforever]

camp should get interesting to see who ends up as keepers since we have some good competition along the whole line for backup jobs.

I think the guy that keeps the interior away from the backfield the longest, consistently wins it. Of course he must, for passing, but I mean for runs also, because the action from the offensive backfield has to click FIRST, while the line holds up. It's not enough to have the OG blow a guy away, and he still make the play, by recovering and going around the OG. Establishing confident authority and being able to maintain, gets the job done. Examples are Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels.

Wade has that ability, but that crew behind him, is hungry as heck and I agree with you :D

[urobm]

one thing is we should have faith in bugel if nothing else this line has been the most consistent part of the team the last 2 yrs(3 if you take away raymer)

Please dont remind me, Raymer was a mistake. I had faith in him when we brought him back, so I need to be slapped.

[urobm]

Mike Sellers is the only hidden gem that comes to mind right now.

and a good one at that

[ukskin]

none have been able to hold onto a starting position, however, so it is risky to assume that any of them can do that now.
maybe they have gotten better and stronger.. but the safest assumption is that all are quality depth and potential spot starters and nothing more.

it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised

I agree that they are spot starters at best but it is nice to think we have some backups with starting experience on the bench.

[Hr fan]

He has a weakness with centers. He benched Bostic for Grimm at one point, weakening two positions on the line. I think he wants his center to be able to swat people off the ball without help and very, very few can do that.


And the answer to the question about Rabach playing LG. He is the smallest of the linemen, and needs help against NTs. He is adept at seal blocking (needed for the counter trey), but is not expected to handle a DT 1 on 1 at C where he would have to handle the DT 1 on 1 at G.

[Hr fan]

as far as moving rabach to guard thats a dumb move our backup center is pucillo and emergency center would be albright

I believe Walter, ex-girl, is the b/u C.

[Hr fan]

If memory serves, Wade has had more than "some" starts at tackle. He has been a starter basically his entire career except for the last couple of years when injuries struck.

If Jansen misses some games at RT this year, I feel confident that Wade would do a good job there.

Was a 2nd rounder, and starter for the most part until his injury. Out a year, then signed by the 'Skins. Played in only the 1 game last year. In FA was looking to start at RT and get starter's money. With the injury history and only 1 game to go on teams could not predict his durability and wouldnt give starter's $. A case where we had him for a year and knew more about these issues. His $ from us is really quite good, unless compared to the insanity of a Dock contract. If the market has changed we got him for the old standard.

[Hr fan]

Amen, it would really be nice to be pleasantly surprised by a low draftee or a rookie FA this year. When is the last time that happened? Golston looks to have the potential, but he is not there yet.

Where are the Chris Hanburgers, Monty Colemans, Mark Schlereths, Joe Jacobys, Jeff Bostics, Charlie Browns, Larry Browns, Mark Mosleys, Gary Clarks, Ricky Sanderses, Clint Didiers, Darrell Grants, Neal Olkewiczs, Mike Basses, Mike Nelmses this organization used to come with?

Jacoby was our UDFA, and Bostic was signed after being cut by Philly. I am not sure how Mosely arrived, but FA is the general route for a K even today. I believe the rest were drafted, though most in later rounds (Clark was dispersal draft and a very high choice). What it says is that with the shortening of the draft to 7 rounds most would have been UDFA, and we no longer seem to dominate this aspect like we did when Cooke had all the $ and there was no cap.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think Jansen would be a better option at LG and move Wade to RT.
I like this thinking. Considering Jasen seems to be slowing, and Wade seemed to have better footwork last year. I would be down with this.

[bergiemoore]

I like this thinking. Considering Jasen seems to be slowing, and Wade seemed to have better footwork last year. I would be down with this.

Wade started in ONE game last year, and had plenty of help from his TE. Do you really think that he can beat out Jansen based on that one game? Jansen played solid last year. He's easily the best RT on the roster right now. Wade makes a good backup, but I'm not ready to crown him starter, and neither are any of the other 31 teams in the league that had the opportunity to hire him this past off-season. Why would you disrupt 2 positions to fill 1, especially when there is no need? We have a very capable RT in Jansen. The whole right side of the line is returning, after having played together for 2 years. Let's keep it consistent. Wait till we see evidence of Jansen not being able to hold it down at RT before considering career changes.

[Skins7ny]

Amen, it would really be nice to be pleasantly surprised by a low draftee or a rookie FA this year. When is the last time that happened? Golston looks to have the potential, but he is not there yet.

Where are the Chris Hanburgers, Monty Colemans, Mark Schlereths, Joe Jacobys, Jeff Bostics, Charlie Browns, Larry Browns, Mark Mosleys, Gary Clarks, Ricky Sanderses, Clint Didiers, Darrell Grants, Neal Olkewiczs, Mike Basses, Mike Nelmses this organization used to come with?

They left when Bobby Beathard, Charlie Casserly, Dick Daniels, Bill Devaney and Kirk Mee all left. Beathard made his share of mistakes in the top 2 rounds, but hit on so many lower picks that it made up for those mistakes and more. To be fair, it was easier to uncover gems then, even though the draft was a lot longer, because scouting wasn't as uniform and all-encompassing around the league as it is now, and you don't have the USFL and other sources of players to pick from.

Until we get a real GM who can build a good scouting staff, the lower-round gems are going to be harder to find.

[Skins7ny]

Jacoby was our UDFA, and Bostic was signed after being cut by Philly. I am not sure how Mosely arrived, but FA is the general route for a K even today. I believe the rest were drafted, though most in later rounds (Clark was dispersal draft and a very high choice). What it says is that with the shortening of the draft to 7 rounds most would have been UDFA, and we no longer seem to dominate this aspect like we did when Cooke had all the $ and there was no cap.

Good point, but I think the shortening of the draft and cap constraints only explains part of the issue. Cap constraints should actually force us to place a bigger premium on lower draft choices, since they fill out the roster and help balance the large salary cap figures at the top of the roster. Other teams do have a better record of finding players in the lower rounds than we do, even though we have a full scouting staff and presumably spare no expense in finding players. The problem must lie elsewhere, and I think it is that we just have not placed a proper value on our non-1st round draft choices. We haven't used the choices very wisely, to be sure, but we just haven't had enough of them. There is some element of luck involved in drafting lower, and the more chances you have, the more likely it is that you will hit on a lower-round guy. That said, in the 80s and even into the 90s, we had an uncommonly good track record of getting players in the lower rounds. Returning to that would go a long way to returning us to perennial playoff appearances.

[shally]

Good point, but I think the shortening of the draft and cap constraints only explains part of the issue. Cap constraints should actually force us to place a bigger premium on lower draft choices, since they fill out the roster and help balance the large salary cap figures at the top of the roster. Other teams do have a better record of finding players in the lower rounds than we do, even though we have a full scouting staff and presumably spare no expense in finding players. The problem must lie elsewhere, and I think it is that we just have not placed a proper value on our non-1st round draft choices. We haven't used the choices very wisely, to be sure, but we just haven't had enough of them. There is some element of luck involved in drafting lower, and the more chances you have, the more likely it is that you will hit on a lower-round guy. That said, in the 80s and even into the 90s, we had an uncommonly good track record of getting players in the lower rounds. Returning to that would go a long way to returning us to perennial playoff appearances.

the shorter the draft, the more quality players should be out there as UCFA's...
hasnt helped the skins front office much
:confused:... says it all

[James F. Quinn]

the shorter the draft, the more quality players should be out there as UCFA's...
hasnt helped the skins front office much
:confused:... says it all

Also, back in those days you could take 110 guys to TC and give many more guys a shot. With the TC rosters limited as they are now, a Jacoby might not even make it through the screening to make the TC roster.

[shally]

Also, back in those days you could take 110 guys to TC and give many more guys a shot. With the TC rosters limited as they are now, a Jacoby might not even make it through the screening to make the TC roster.

they had hundreds of guys for try outs and then found herb mul-key.. one gem.. but they did get one


now you are correct that there are limits on TC roster size

[skinsfan36]

I believe Walter, ex-girl, is the b/u C.

we released him mid season,hes a packer,its pucillo,tucker now

[shally]

we released him mid season,hes a packer,its pucillo,tucker now

yup.. walter wore out his welcome pretty quickly...

[bgforever]

we released him mid season,hes a packer,its pucillo,tucker now

I like this scenario. By Pucillo and Tucker both being Backup Centers and fighting for an OG position, no one can take a second for granted.

[redwolf1218]

all i can say is, this line is going to look like a bunch giants standing together with a 6'-8 guard and a couple of 6'-6 tackles, and even the center Rabach is 6'-5. they will make Randy Thomas look like a shrimp at only 6'-3.

[meloveskinslongtime]

all i can say is, this line is going to look like a bunch giants standing together with a 6'-8 guard and a couple of 6'-6 tackles, and even the center Rabach is 6'-5. they will make Randy Thomas look like a shrimp at only 6'-3.

i like that ... pretty intimidating much of guys. :sfight:

hopefully that intimidation factor gets our run game going fast.

[esmith1790]

i like that ... pretty intimidating much of guys. :sfight:

hopefully that intimidation factor gets our run game going fast.


If that helps the running game then the boys should be right there with

6-7/6-8 OT Flozell, Columbo
6-5/6-6 OG Kosier, Davis
6-4 Center Gurode

[theWarpath]

I don't think Wade's height will be a major issue.

Dockery was 6'6, Wade is 6'8. Will the 2 extra inches make or break him? I doubt it.

Bugel seems to be pretty confident he can get the job done, that's all I need to know.

[meloveskinslongtime]

If that helps the running game then the boys should be right there with

6-7/6-8 OT Flozell, Columbo
6-5/6-6 OG Kosier, Davis
6-4 Center Gurode

true but we have good ole buges

[redwolf1218]

I don't think Wade's height will be a major issue.
Dockery was 6'6, Wade is 6'8. Will the 2 extra inches make or break him? I doubt it.

Bugel seems to be pretty confident he can get the job done, that's all I need to know.

i hope it wont be a major issue, but i keep thinking there is good reason why he will be the tallest guard in the league.

[skinsfan36]

i hope it wont be a major issue, but i keep thinking there is good reason why he will be the tallest guard in the league.

hey someone has to be the tallest guard in the league,i just wish we had a tall reciever wait off topic sorry

[urobm]

I don't think Wade's height will be a major issue.

Dockery was 6'6, Wade is 6'8. Will the 2 extra inches make or break him? I doubt it.

Bugel seems to be pretty confident he can get the job done, that's all I need to know.

We all know what Bugel can do, so that will make the transition for Wade much smoother.

[urobm]

hey someone has to be the tallest guard in the league,i just wish we had a tall reciever wait off topic sorry

Off topic but true.