GW - Simple aggression in '07 [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

skinfan43

06-16-2007, 09:31 AM

CHUBAKAH

06-16-2007, 10:01 AM

Well it for sure all looks good on paper, but it does almost every year. I personally think it's way too early to even comment on what to think. All I can say is I am about as pumped as I am every year this time.

BurgundyNGold

06-16-2007, 10:27 AM

He's not going to be to vanilla with that DL. We might not be running too much Cover 2 anymore (which is ironci since now we probably have the personnel to run it better than GW has his whole time here) but we just don't have the talent mano a mano up front to go toe to toe without a lot of creativity.

smoak

06-16-2007, 10:35 AM

I don't care if we play cover 4, it starts with "simply" tackling better IMO. The players are good enough. The coaching staff is good enough... So if there are not results, I'd replace all of them.

RedskinRyan

06-16-2007, 10:36 AM

too many previous years of commenting on how the team looks, and how that will translate on the field, have left me shaken. im excited for this team, but there are still some questions that could really hinder our success.

id like to see more man coverage. maybe playing a lot of zone is why we gave up so many friggin cushions.

BurgundyNGold

06-16-2007, 10:40 AM

LATrueRedskin

06-16-2007, 10:47 AM

Everything sounds good except for the defensive line. :)

Iceman330

06-16-2007, 11:16 AM

..........it starts with "simply" tackling better IMO.

YES, YES. And I would add, getting off blocks.

I would get nervous when I heard about the "complexities" of GW D, in that guys seemed to struggle learning it. I think, the harder a player's brain works the slower his feet move.

skinfanjon

06-16-2007, 12:44 PM

I didn't see that much new information there, but hey, anything to keep the offseason rolling by. We already knew GW was going to simplify the scheme and I think we were told about Griff playing the three technique as well. However, Daniels playing inside is news to me. Perhaps that will be the package in which Marcus moves to DE?

Also, anybody else notice the not so subtle shot at Archuleta from Wynaldo? He was diplomatic enough about it, but we all know who he was talking about.

smoak

06-16-2007, 04:31 PM

YES, YES. And I would add, getting off blocks.

I would get nervous when I heard about the "complexities" of GW D, in that guys seemed to struggle learning it. I think, the harder a player's brain works the slower his feet move.

Yep. Its got to be second nature.... But I will say that if a guy has been around this long and he doesn't get it, maybe it is time to replace him.

ryflan47

06-16-2007, 06:03 PM

whoopie! i hate cover 2!

shally

06-16-2007, 06:12 PM

LaCanfora elaborates here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/15/AR2007061501605.html?hpid=sec-sports

Little to no Cover 2? YAHOO!
Sounds like we're getting back to more man coverage, playing Taylor as the ballhawk he can be, and stuffing the run. If our 'backers excel, we could disrupt the QB more than we (fans) think...that's what we've got to hope for, anyway.
Makes me wonder...are the linebackers the most important parts of this GW defensive system excelling this season? Could very well be... your thoughts?

i think the linebackers and corners are the key pieces.

the d line exists to tie up blockers so that the backers can fly to the point of attack

the corners must be able to hold their own in single coverage and come up to stop the run.. being able to blitz (springs !!) is a major plus

the pass rush comes from unexpected players or crashing safeties

i dont agree with it, as a base defensive philosophy, but with the right personnel it should be effective

this season is going to be make or break for GW's future with the skins.. if the defense can be at least middle of the pack and create turnovers, i think he has a future. if we are treated to another bottom tier defense he deserves to be gone

shally

06-16-2007, 06:17 PM

Everything sounds good except for the defensive line. :)

amen. amen. amen

that is one reason i simply do not agree with GW overall philosophy. he minimizes the importance of the DL

Yep. Its got to be second nature.... But I will say that if a guy has been around this long and he doesn't get it, maybe it is time to replace him.

i would say that is even more true about GW... he has had available to use the top overall pick in each of the past 4 drafts and his defensive performance has steadily gone down hill in each year.. if this year's d effort is not above average then it is time for GW to go and take his philosophy with him

and who selected taylor to be one of the centerpieces of the defense anyway ? i think they have misused him for the entire time he has been here. maybe this year they will finally put him in a position to make plays on pass defense ???

LadyNRedskinsfan

06-16-2007, 07:22 PM

if we can somehow get back to 2004's D and add our offense from the last 5 games or so from last year, we'll make some noise for sure.

Death_Venom

06-16-2007, 10:51 PM

I don't care if we play cover 4, it starts with "simply" tackling better IMO. The players are good enough. The coaching staff is good enough... So if there are not results, I'd replace all of them.

I couldn't agree more...Last season we were horrible at tackling.........I hope to see some serious improvement in that area...............

shally

06-16-2007, 11:28 PM

I couldn't agree more...Last season we were horrible at tackling.........I hope to see some serious improvement in that area...............

fletcher alone should be a huge improvement in that regard

the man can tackle

skins111111

06-16-2007, 11:32 PM

with Rocky maturing, Marcus healthy, London now in the mix and the versital Lemar as backup we are looking pretty tight at LB
our starting secondary is nothing but talent with a ton of debth
with Carter getting comfortable and Daniels healthy our DEs might not be to shabby....Griff healthy in the middle with whoever (we have a lot of options) the D-Line might supprise a lot of people, especially with that little bit of extra time they will have to rush the QB with our boosted coverage.

skinsfan36

06-17-2007, 09:43 PM

good we are more set with our secondary to play gws defense and not the cover 2

SpicyMcHaggis

06-18-2007, 01:19 AM

1)Tackle well
2)Get to the QB
3)Create turnovers

I don't care how we do it, just as long as we do it.

ukskin

06-19-2007, 03:31 AM

I wonder who will be lined up next to Griffin.

If Griffin is playing the 3 technique, I'm not sure you could line Golston up next to him and expect him to hold the point.

I think we will see lots of 46 style fronts on running downs.

SAKFurby

06-19-2007, 08:53 AM

The biggest improvement is going to be in the secondary. Last year we just sucked, but with the added quality and depth that alone should leave to more turnovers. As soon as you get the first one alot of the qbs we go against (romo and eli) will get rattled and give us more of a chance to blitz an extra person to get the pressure just like we did 2 yrs ago. I think we should be borderline top 10, not quite elite but a big improvement over last year.

colkurtz

06-19-2007, 10:40 AM

After last years debacle - anything is an improvement. GW is now in the hot seat. He has selected a highly unusual method for improving the defense and will continue to coach or not coach here based on the results.

I still think we are an average defense with a weak DL. Sure Griffin is healthy now, but he will be double-teamed and worn down because teams know he is a key player on this defense.

We've dumped the worst players (tacklers) from the defense and I'm cautiously optimistic we will get to the middle of the pack.

Charlz

06-21-2007, 03:31 PM

I don't care if we play cover 4, it starts with "simply" tackling better IMO. The players are good enough. The coaching staff is good enough... So if there are not results, I'd replace all of them.

Good point Smoak-in the end it all comes down to blocking and tackling. I was dissapointed in our lack of tackling last year on D, I reeeeaaaaaly hope that part of their game improves.

MikeBass

06-21-2007, 04:23 PM

Sounds like we are in for a very good defensive year. G-Dub has the best players that he has ever had since he became our coordinator and it seems to me that he is planning on using them perfectly.

culpeper

06-21-2007, 05:13 PM

Sounds like we are in for a very good defensive year. G-Dub has the best players that he has ever had since he became our coordinator and it seems to me that he is planning on using them perfectly.

:eek: lets see it on the field...it does sound good though

skins111111

06-21-2007, 06:13 PM

Everything sounds good except for the defensive line. :)

Carter came on strong the end of last year, Griff is a beast, they love Golston and Montgomery (looks like they are happy developing them and that could be a good thing) Daniels is healthy and with MW rushing in cover1 we may be exceptional this year...........all the help at LB and secondary can't help but improve our D-Line

frankez99

06-21-2007, 07:21 PM

I guess GW sees something in this defense that I don't (of course he ACTUALLY sees them....I don't :)).

I truly hope so.

But I am so numb to the subject due to watching our DL'men last season standing around wheezing and puffing with their hands on their hips after a qb had 7 seconds to throw a football or the running back blew through them for a 10 yard gain.

The jury is still out.....and I am yet to be convinced.....:readme:

Hr fan

06-22-2007, 08:12 AM

Everything sounds good except for the defensive line. :)

The D was successful when the line stopped the run by tieing up the blockers, allowing the backers to make the play near the line of scrimage. Last year the line did not tie up the blockers, so the LBs had to make the plays down field with blockers in their face. 2nd and 3rd downs were characterized by short yardage to 1st & 10. Cover 2 has a cushion built in, and the cushion exceeded the distance to make the 1st all too often.

We all realize this, and that is the big worry. The DL didn't tie up the blockers last year, the first key to GW's D. Why with no change in personnel will the DL suddenly revert to 2004 instead of repeating 2006? IMO the LBs and DBs are improved, but if the DL doesn't tie up the blockers we will make average running backs look like Barber and Jackson. Why should opposing Os worry about where we are blitzing from if the pass is secondary because we can't stop the run?

ChiefPowhatan17

06-22-2007, 08:52 AM

Cover 2 is always just a TD waiting to happen. That's just how I feel. It leaves to much area for the Safeties to cover. If a QB can pick apart those seams the D is done. Not a fan of cover 2.

culpeper

06-22-2007, 10:58 AM

Cover 2 is always just a TD waiting to happen. That's just how I feel. It leaves to much area for the Safeties to cover. If a QB can pick apart those seams the D is done. Not a fan of cover 2.

with a good LB corps to stop the run and a great pass rush...cover 2 is the best defense out there. the routes that beat a cover two take time to develop. so if you can get to the QB before the receivers can get to the weak part of the D, watch out!

unfortunately we were unable to put pressure last year....or stop the run...or the pass...:drunker:

MikeBass

06-22-2007, 10:34 PM

:eek: lets see it on the field...it does sound good though

You are correct...The season has to be played but as of right now I think that we have a lot to be excited about.

The defense looks very impressive and we not only put ourselves in a good position this season but we, also, did not use any of our draft picks for next season where we can get, not only, D-line replacements for the older guys but also a receiver to replace Moss because he is not getting any younger either, stole a latter round draft pick in Blades for Fletcher to groom for his eventual replacement and did not spend tons of money in free agency.

The F.O. did a wonderful job in putting a very good team together for this season and setting themselves up for future improvements. They should be given their propers just as much as they have been criticized in the past.

SpicyMcHaggis

06-23-2007, 01:18 AM

You are correct...The season has to be played but as of right now I think that we have a lot to be excited about.

The defense looks very impressive and we not only put ourselves in a good position this season but we, also, did not use any of our draft picks for next season where we can get, not only, D-line replacements for the older guys but also a receiver to replace Moss because he is not getting any younger either, stole a latter round draft pick in Blades for Fletcher to groom for his eventual replacement and did not spend tons of money in free agency.

The F.O. did a wonderful job in putting a very good team together for this season and setting themselves up for future improvements. They should be given their propers just as much as they have been criticized in the past.

Moss? Santana Moss? He just turned 28...
Just considering our key players, the following ones are all older than him:
-Rabach
-Samuels
-Thomas
-Wade
-Jansen
-Carter (just barely..lol)
-Daniels
-Griffin
-Salave'a
-Washington
-Fletcher
-Marshall
-Springs
-Smoot

I think we definitely have to address the offensive line before we look for a replacement for Moss. And by the way, if neither LLoyd or ARE pick up their production this season (which I'm really hoping they will), we should be worrying more about them than about Santana IMO.

MikeBass

06-23-2007, 02:20 AM

Moss? Santana Moss? He just turned 28...
Just considering our key players, the following ones are all older than him:
-Rabach
-Samuels
-Thomas
-Wade
-Jansen
-Carter (just barely..lol)
-Daniels
-Griffin
-Salave'a
-Washington
-Fletcher
-Marshall
-Springs
-Smoot

I think we definitely have to address the offensive line before we look for a replacement for Moss. And by the way, if neither LLoyd or ARE pick up their production this season (which I'm really hoping they will), we should be worrying more about them than about Santana IMO.

Well maybe I should've said "groomed" to replace Moss in a couple of years. I am a HUGE Moss fan but I would rather draft a receiver that we would not have to totally depend upon now rather than waiting on Moss time to come and suddenly picking one up in the draft. But the point IS that we have saved money and draft picks in order to do such things and the FO should be recognized for it.

SpicyMcHaggis

06-23-2007, 03:47 AM

Well maybe I should've said "groomed" to replace Moss in a couple of years. I am a HUGE Moss fan but I would rather draft a receiver that we would not have to totally depend upon now rather than waiting on Moss time to come and suddenly picking one up in the draft. But the point IS that we have saved money and draft picks in order to do such things and the FO should be recognized for it.
I agree. Finally we seem to have realized that throwing away draft picks is not the way to go, because then you have to totally depend on free agents, that rarely can guarantee you more than 3 good years. See Springs, Griffin, Washington, and Daniels for example.

MikeBass

06-23-2007, 03:55 AM

I agree. Finally we seem to have realized that throwing away draft picks is not the way to go, because then you have to totally depend on free agents, that rarely can guarantee you more than 3 good years. See Springs, Griffin, Washington, and Daniels for example.

Whew!!!...FINALLY we agree on something

SpicyMcHaggis

06-23-2007, 05:05 AM

Whew!!!...FINALLY we agree on something

Lol...;)

redwolf1218

06-23-2007, 07:38 AM

urobm

06-23-2007, 09:18 AM

You are correct...The season has to be played but as of right now I think that we have a lot to be excited about.

The defense looks very impressive and we not only put ourselves in a good position this season but we, also, did not use any of our draft picks for next season where we can get, not only, D-line replacements for the older guys but also a receiver to replace Moss because he is not getting any younger either, stole a latter round draft pick in Blades for Fletcher to groom for his eventual replacement and did not spend tons of money in free agency.

The F.O. did a wonderful job in putting a very good team together for this season and setting themselves up for future improvements. They should be given their propers just as much as they have been criticized in the past.

That was key not giving up draft picks for next year, and with the limited picks we had, I am pretty satisfied with what we got. Not making the huge splash in free agency was new, but very much appreciated. With us having all of our picks except for our 4th, next year we should be able to address the remaining deficiencies.

The team as a whole has gotten better, and it will be good to see how quickly the defense gels together with a few new faces in there. The new faces provide immediate upgrades over what we had last year.

My only other hope is that, a player like Greg Ellis is cut, so we have someone that can rush the passer opposite Carter.

culpeper

06-23-2007, 10:03 AM

That was key not giving up draft picks for next year, and with the limited picks we had, I am pretty satisfied with what we got. Not making the huge splash in free agency was new, but very much appreciated. With us having all of our picks except for our 4th, next year we should be able to address the remaining deficiencies.

The team as a whole has gotten better, and it will be good to see how quickly the defense gels together with a few new faces in there. The new faces provide immediate upgrades over what we had last year.

My only other hope is that, a player like Greg Ellis is cut, so we have someone that can rush the passer opposite Carter.

#1. greg ellis is going on 32 years old. i thought we wanted to get younger?
#2. hes coming off an achilles injury. not good for the first year back...
#3. if dallas cuts him, why would we want him?
#4. he played OLB last year and there is going to be a transitional period much like andre carter had last year.

urobm

06-23-2007, 10:09 AM

#1. greg ellis is going on 32 years old. i thought we wanted to get younger?
#2. hes coming off an achilles injury. not good for the first year back...
#3. if dallas cuts him, why would we want him?
#4. he played OLB last year and there is going to be a transitional period much like andre carter had last year.

I dont think getting a stopgap DE for a year is a bad idea if he has anything left in the tank. Ofcouse, everything should depend on his health. His preference is at DE, and he said himself he wasnt crazy about switching to LB. He is a proven rusher, who is effective at DE and is easily an upgrade over Daniels or Wynn, again for this year.

culpeper

06-23-2007, 10:22 AM

I dont think getting a stopgap DE for a year is a bad idea if he has anything left in the tank. Ofcouse, everything should depend on his health. His preference is at DE, and he said himself he wasnt crazy about switching to LB. He is a proven rusher, who is effective at DE and is easily an upgrade over Daniels or Wynn, again for this year.

oh, he hated parcells for switching him! but, i question the upgrade due to the reasons sighted above. last year at this time youre absolutely right. but that injury is serious for the position he plays. i agree that if the opportunity presents itself adding a vet for a year to add depth is not a bad idea. IMO though, ellis is not the guy i would go after.

MikeBass

06-23-2007, 01:27 PM

Moss is only 28...the replacement should be for Thrash, which would be Espy, who is doing things similar to what Thrash did when he broke into the league. he will probably be at best average, like Thrash.

You are right Moss is only 28 but he is smallish and his body is getting a little banged up and since we do not have anyone on the roster anywhere near a #1 type receiver besides him we should look into drafting one to replace him when he finally can not do it anymore which may be coming sooner than we think. Thrash's 12 catches can be replaced by mistake rather than using a draft pick to replace him.

But the point that I was trying to make is that we have a very good older players / younger players mix. We should be set up nicely for not only this season, but with next season's draft picks added to the mix, for upcoming seasons, also, on both offense and defense.

urobm

06-23-2007, 05:26 PM

oh, he hated parcells for switching him! but, i question the upgrade due to the reasons sighted above. last year at this time youre absolutely right. but that injury is serious for the position he plays. i agree that if the opportunity presents itself adding a vet for a year to add depth is not a bad idea. IMO though, ellis is not the guy i would go after.

I should have emphasized upgrade and not mentioned a name in particular. You are correct Ellis may not be the answer, but its pretty slim pickings right now, so overall there might not be too many options.

RedSkinBrit

06-24-2007, 05:28 AM

We are looking in better shape overall and some good moves have been made.Lets hope we can see the improvement early in the season,especially looking for our D to be stronger.

Redskinfan28

06-24-2007, 07:53 PM

shally

06-24-2007, 08:55 PM

#1. greg ellis is going on 32 years old. i thought we wanted to get younger?
#2. hes coming off an achilles injury. not good for the first year back...
#3. if dallas cuts him, why would we want him?
#4. he played OLB last year and there is going to be a transitional period much like andre carter had last year.

i think that ellis played DE his entire career except for last year.. it should not be the transition for him that it was for carter

the achilles issue, however, is a big one

culpeper

06-25-2007, 02:02 PM

your choice of a college team is money.

you mean WV? i grew up there and watched major harris, bruce smith, curtis martin, and a whole mess of others come through mountaineer field. i went back to school there too. great place, and im freaking NERVOUS/pumped about this season!

culpeper

06-25-2007, 02:03 PM

I should have emphasized upgrade and not mentioned a name in particular. You are correct Ellis may not be the answer, but its pretty slim pickings right now, so overall there might not be too many options.

i agree totally...

culpeper

06-25-2007, 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=shally;971872]i think that ellis played DE his entire career except for last year.. it should not be the transition for him that it was for carter

did carter play OLB for more than one year? i thought it was only one when singletary came in. im probably wrong though.

the achilles issue, however, is a big one

i guess when you get down to it you have to figure whether or not its his back foot that he uses to push off with that was injured. regardless though, in that three point stance, hes going to put a good amount of strain on that achilles no matter which leg it is. IMO its not going to be as easy as when jansen came back, just because of position.

skins111111

06-25-2007, 06:30 PM

[QUOTE= My only other hope is that, a player like Greg Ellis is cut, so we have someone that can rush the passer opposite Carter.[/QUOTE]

Daniels is healthy and MW will be rushing the QB in cover1....plus with our boosted secondary we have another fraction of a second plus to disrupt the backfield.

RedskinRyan

06-25-2007, 06:32 PM

you mean WV? i grew up there and watched major harris, bruce smith, curtis martin, and a whole mess of others come through mountaineer field. i went back to school there too. great place, and im freaking NERVOUS/pumped about this season!

are you just talking about the WV talent? bruce smith went to VT, and martin went to pitt.

culpeper

06-26-2007, 08:21 AM

are you just talking about the WV talent? bruce smith went to VT, and martin went to pitt.

lol...no no no. when i was a kid, i got the chance to see them come and play the mountaineers. i was just referencing how long ive been going to games. unfortunately there arent a lot of household names that come through WV until the past year. short of bulger, amos zeroque, and jeff hostetler, people are just now getting to know slaton and pat white. so i threw out some other names...

ive seen santana moss BURN us on a punt return, marvin harrison andmcnabb (it killed me when philly drafted him because i hated him!), vick, so on and so on.

but hopefully this is going to be a great year for us. last year was sort of a disappointment, but its always good to be in the hunt regardless.