skins secondary at #10

[greatest2]

Ranked each secondary. THe first 10 i think are free, then you need to be an "insider." But we are at number 10, with dallas ahead of us?




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[BurgundyNGold]

I think this sounds fair. Luckily, because our secondary will be so awesome, it'll help our DL. In fact, our secondary will exude so much awesome that the NFL might have to actually go back in time and revise our 2006 stats to give us more INTs.

[redskin_rich]

Shawn Springs is the team's most consistent player in the secondary when healthyBig emphasis on the last two words, which absolutely cannot be counted on for 16 games.
CB Carlos Rogers is a physical player who can be a liability in coverage due to his inconsistent play.
LOL, if he was a LB, this would be a decent critique but as a CB, this might as well say he sucks.

But everyone loves our Safetys... Here is hoping that they don't lead us in tackles.

[GolfFreak]

Wow, after the way our secondary played last year I'm kinda surprised at the ranking. I guess the "experts" liked our acquisitions, hopefully the pay off.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Big emphasis on the last two words, which absolutely cannot be counted on for 16 games.

LOL, if he was a LB, this would be a decent critique but as a CB, this might as well say he sucks.

But everyone loves our Safetys... Here is hoping that they don't lead us in tackles.

One of which has never played a down in the NFL.
And you're right about Rogers..if you think that that is a critique at a CB chosen with the #9 pick overall, you can't be too satisfied..lol..

But there is no way around it..if the defensive line does not vastly (and magically at this point) improve its play, the secondary will be useless once again.

[skinguy]

Ranked each secondary. THe first 10 i think are free, then you need to be an "insider." But we are at number 10, with dallas ahead of us?




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that's about right.our guys back there better be good because our DL-LB's are not going to put much pressure on the QB.

[dj_stouty]

But everyone loves our Safetys... Here is hoping that they don't lead us in tackles.

Especially the kind where the safety tackles them from behind after they have already advanced the ball 30 yards. :devil2:


I think this sounds fair. Luckily, because our secondary will be so awesome, it'll help our DL. In fact, our secondary will exude so much awesome that the NFL might have to actually go back in time and revise our 2006 stats to give us more INTs.


LMAO. Great post.

[Spence]

I've said it a million times. The Redskins can play defense when Shawn Springs is healthy and on the field. When he's not, our defense gets lit up like a Christmas tree.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I've said it a million times. The Redskins can play defense when Shawn Springs is healthy and on the field. When he's not, our defense gets lit up like a Christmas tree.

I agree.

[morty55]

Big emphasis on the last two words, which absolutely cannot be counted on for 16 games.

LOL, if he was a LB, this would be a decent critique but as a CB, this might as well say he sucks.

But everyone loves our Safetys... Here is hoping that they don't lead us in tackles.

this is not the first reference that I have read where ESPN infers that
Sean Taylor is inconsistent..

it is obvious somebody at William Morris Agency desires that tag put on
Sean..ESPN afterall is the Agency's Monkey-boy

I don't know what everyone expected from him with no help from Archeletta and Rogers ..with Springs hurt..

[esmith1790]

this is not the first reference that I have read where ESPN infers that
Sean Taylor is inconsistent..

it is obvious somebody at William Morris Agency desires that tag put on
Sean..ESPN afterall is the Agency's Monkey-boy

I don't know what everyone expected from him with no help from Archeletta and Rogers ..with Springs hurt..


Same thing they said about Roy Willams with a rookie Pat Watkins and a hurt Anthony Henry.

[dj_stouty]

I don't know what everyone expected from him with no help from Archeletta and Rogers ..with Springs hurt..

What help from Arch? They guy wasn't on the field for most of the games. Lets face it, Taylor played sloppy for a good portion of the year. Many times, he made mistakes just like Arch did...but Taylor gets the benefit of the doubt in many fan's eyes. But I agree that it wasn't necessarily all Taylor's fault...

Spence is right. GW's schemes require a CB to play out on an island and take the best receiver on the field out of the play. Springs did that all year in '05, and I'm pretty sure we did some research after that season to show he rarely gave up 100 yards (if ever) and he almost never got burned for a TD. When Springs (or any CB in GW's system) can single cover his receiver, it allows for a safety such as Arch or Taylor to creep the box, make tackles on the rush, blitz the QB or *gasp* actually catch an interception or force a fumble.

I don't think Springs is reliable enough to do that again, which is another reason why additions to the d-line would have helped him and the other d-backs.

[BurgundyNGold]

One of which has never played a down in the NFL.
And you're right about Rogers..if you think that that is a critique at a CB chosen with the #9 pick overall, you can't be too satisfied..lol..

But there is no way around it..if the defensive line does not vastly (and magically at this point) improve its play, the secondary will be useless once again.
Honestly, I think Landry will make some of us start to blaspheme Taylor by mid season.

[smoak]

10 is too high, but I really like the players we have there. What really hurt is that I thought we upgraded last year in letting Walt Harris go??? I still believe it, but man Wright and the other collection of bozos were putrid.

[resdog56]

Why is it that one player, Springs makes susch a huge difference? It's not like he can lock down every teams #1 guy and then everyone else just has to read their keys or is he that great? Rogers, couldn't catch a cold in Antartica with a room of sick 3 year olds. If he can remedy that problem and improve his consistency he is a pro-bowler, in the making. Our safety's should be awesome, but Landry will surely make a few rookie mistakes. 10 is too high, I'm just hoping they can cover long enough so that we can actually get a pass rush generated. That would lift the entire defensive unit into the top 10.

[BurgundyNGold]

Why is it that one player, Springs makes susch a huge difference? It's not like he can lock down every teams #1 guy and then everyone else just has to read their keys or is he that great? Rogers, couldn't catch a cold in Antartica with a room of sick 3 year olds. If he can remedy that problem and improve his consistency he is a pro-bowler, in the making. Our safety's should be awesome, but Landry will surely make a few rookie mistakes. 10 is too high, I'm just hoping they can cover long enough so that we can actually get a pass rush generated. That would lift the entire defensive unit into the top 10.
I don't know about Springs. A few folks (himself included) seem to think he's the second coming. Too bad he hasn't arrived yet.

As for Rogers, as of right now, he sucks. He has shown nothing else but the ability to play physical against the run and get burned by anybody he covers. Add in the fact that he seems to have no natural instincts for playing the ball to go with his apparently lacking thumbs and I can't even bear the thought of using the words "pro" and "bowl" in a sentence with him. The term "High First Round Bust" seems the more appropriate moniker.

This is a make or break year for Rogers. Either he steps up or we'll be using yet another high draft pick on a DB next year.

[CNYSkinFan]

I don't know about Springs. A few folks (himself included) seem to think he's the second coming. Too bad he hasn't arrived yet.

As for Rogers, as of right now, he sucks. He has shown nothing else but the ability to play physical against the run and get burned by anybody he covers. Add in the fact that he seems to have no natural instincts for playing the ball to go with his apparently lacking thumbs and I can't even bear the thought of using the words "pro" and "bowl" in a sentence with him. The term "High First Round Bust" seems the more appropriate moniker.

This is a make or break year for Rogers. Either he steps up or we'll be using yet another high draft pick on a DB next year.
then we can employ the 1-3-7 defense. GW is a freaking genius!!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Why is it that one player, Springs makes susch a huge difference? It's not like he can lock down every teams #1 guy and then everyone else just has to read their keys or is he that great? Rogers, couldn't catch a cold in Antartica with a room of sick 3 year olds. If he can remedy that problem and improve his consistency he is a pro-bowler, in the making. Our safety's should be awesome, but Landry will surely make a few rookie mistakes. 10 is too high, I'm just hoping they can cover long enough so that we can actually get a pass rush generated. That would lift the entire defensive unit into the top 10.

Springs is important because I remember what this defense looked like for the two seasons before 2006 when he played most of the time. I also remember when he finally got 100% healthy last year in games like NO and Carolina what this defense looked like.

[resdog56]

Springs is important because I remember what this defense looked like for the two seasons before 2006 when he played most of the time. I also remember when he finally got 100% healthy last year in games like NO and Carolina what this defense looked like.

I just don't understand why the D totally falls apart without him. I think he's a very good corner, but are the other 10 guys that horrible?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I think we could be POTENTIALLY top 10, assuming Landry will pan out, Springs will remain healthy, etc... but we could also drop to the bottom 10 or 5 if several not unrealistic things happen.

[CNYSkinFan]

Because Springs is the only corner who can be trusted to play man to man on a consistent basis. Otherwise GW decides to play zone and since we have no pressure without blitzing the zones eventually break down and we get beat.

[lakeskin]

Because Springs is the only corner who can be trusted to play man to man on a consistent basis. Otherwise GW decides to play zone and since we have no pressure without blitzing the zones eventually break down and we get beat.

This really depressed me for some reason. Probably because its true.

[resdog56]

Because Springs is the only corner who can be trusted to play man to man on a consistent basis. Otherwise GW decides to play zone and since we have no pressure without blitzing the zones eventually break down and we get beat.

Hence the reason we brought Smoot back, man to man is his strength. Matter of fact, he despises playing zone. So, if Springs does get hurt GW can trust him to be the man to man guy, as for Rogers, his body of work, doesn't really inspire any confidence. Though, if you recall the Carolina game last season, he was exceptional. If by some stroke of immense amount of luck he can play like that consistently, we could have 3 competent man corners. Then we would see the full fury of GW's blitz packages. Then again, if everything went as well as planned, we'd be the 85 Bears!

[dj_stouty]

Why is it that one player, Springs makes susch a huge difference? It's not like he can lock down every teams #1 guy and then everyone else just has to read their keys or is he that great? .

Springs was a monster in '05. If you go back to the box scores from the '05 season, I believe Joey Galloway was the only WR to put up 100 yards on him.

[gibbsisgod]

[QUOTE=resdog56;978980]Hence the reason we brought Smoot back, man to man is his strength. Matter of fact, he despises playing zone. So, if Springs does get hurt GW can trust him to be the man to man guyQUOTE]



smoot is a man to man guy, but plays to far off of his man.... more than not.

saying this i still feel better having him here as the nickel

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Because Springs is the only corner who can be trusted to play man to man on a consistent basis. Otherwise GW decides to play zone and since we have no pressure without blitzing the zones eventually break down and we get beat.

So true. I mentioned a few weeks ago in a post that maybe GW sort of gave up a bit in that decision last year. I mean we were terrible anyway, so why not be terrible calling the D that attacks and that you are most comfortable with (going down with guns blazing sort of thing). That cover 2 was a joke last year.

[openallnight]

Luckily, because our secondary will be so awesome, it'll help our DL. In fact, our secondary will exude so much awesome that the NFL might have to actually go back in time and revise our 2006 stats to give us more INTs.
LOL!

Maybe the exusion of awesomeness by our secondary can get some of those losses last season retracted as well ;)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I've said it a million times. The Redskins can play defense when Shawn Springs is healthy and on the field. When he's not, our defense gets lit up like a Christmas tree.

Then that means that defensively, we suck.

[skinsfan36]

fair but dallas should not be ahead of us

[colkurtz]

10 seems a little high for me. However, we got rid of our most horrible players back there and have made some nice additions.

This is Rogers season to prove he is not a true draft bust. If the guy could just hold onto half the balls he dropped, he'd be an asset.

i'm excited to see Landry play, but temper that because he will have rookie issues.

[BurgundyNGold]

I've said it a million times. The Redskins can play defense when Shawn Springs is healthy and on the field. When he's not, our defense gets lit up like a Christmas tree.
Oy, vey.

:D

[esmith1790]

fair but dallas should not be ahead of us

please explain.

[bergiemoore]

I hate these rankings. I won't believe any of it until I see it on the field.

That said, how does 3 out of 4 NFC East teams end up in the top 10? Do they really think that we're all that close?

[HAWGZHEAD]

But everyone loves our Safetys... Here is hoping that they don't lead us in tackles.
I'll drink to that :beer:

[youngestson]

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LOL, if he was a LB, this would be a decent critique but as a CB, this might as well say he sucks.


Rodgers had an awfully good rookie year, so I'm hopeful his second season was an example of the dreeded Sophmore Slump, and he bounces back. The guy sure seems to have the physical tools, lets just hope he uses them.

[thetrueyoung1]

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LOL, if he was a LB, this would be a decent critique but as a CB, this might as well say he sucks.


Rodgers had an awfully good rookie year, so I'm hopeful his second season was an example of the dreeded Sophmore Slump, and he bounces back. The guy sure seems to have the physical tools, lets just hope he uses them.

I gotta hope that's what it is to. I think Rogers can be a great, and he'll show us that when he breaks out this year.

I think #10 is a very accurate ranking looking at paper, but paper dosen't mean anything when the season starts.

[skins111111]

our Safties are Stud you have to pity the poor recievers when they venture into Taylor/Landry country, Prileou has to be one of the very best backups in the league and Fox did OK last year. Smoot is thrilled to be back in DC and he will be back to form being reliable starter when needed this season and a pure stud backup, am looking forward to seeing what Maclin brings to the table. I feel Rogers will have a break out season and Springs will stay relitivly healthy all year.

[jaylen]

I don't know about Springs. A few folks (himself included) seem to think he's the second coming. Too bad he hasn't arrived yet.

As for Rogers, as of right now, he sucks. He has shown nothing else but the ability to play physical against the run and get burned by anybody he covers. Add in the fact that he seems to have no natural instincts for playing the ball to go with his apparently lacking thumbs and I can't even bear the thought of using the words "pro" and "bowl" in a sentence with him. The term "High First Round Bust" seems the more appropriate moniker.

This is a make or break year for Rogers. Either he steps up or we'll be using yet another high draft pick on a DB next year.

I agree Rogers is trending towards being a bust, he doesn't have the speed the way I see it.

Springs though when healthy is exceptional. Very smart player his IQ is tremendous he's capable of having a 7-10 pick season. Has great hips to cover well on the short routes and is there on the deep throws. I think with his off season training he's gonna be very good this season.

I'm praying Rogers breaks out and find some confidence playing man alot more this season.

Landry if as good as advertized could make our whole defense outstanding . If he's a smaller version of Taylor in the box sacking qb's and stuffing the run, and Taylor is playing center field and knocking receivers out we could have a defense that produces alot of to's.

[greatest2]

I think Taylor plays center field very well, remember his rookie year. He can make up ground fast and can deliver a hit to jar the ball loose. Hime playing center field also means he can't really be juke out or over purse because the reciever is following the ball in the air, and can't try to avoid him. He can crunch them time and time again, and also reciveres will think twice before going across the deep middle, and that slight hesitation can prove to be importaqnt.

Landry i see as a Troy P., which would be absolutly great, but it is yet to be seen. I think his first year he will be average.

Shawn, well he can cover great, and can stop the run, can catch, and is smart, and a leader. Can he stay healthy? who knows, and you can't expect it.

THis brings me to Smoot. THis could prove to be an extremly important off season, because if springs goes down, we a have at least servicab;e replacement. I say at least because he his just average right now, we will see if he comes back to his form and becomes above average on the verge of great like he was in his first stint. BUt if springs is healthy, then he can be the best nickle in the league, and he can cause some big plays.

Finally, Rogers. I think rogers will have a better year. Why he will, i don't know. Maybe because he will have gotten over the sophmore slump. Or maybe he will have more help in the secondary with a healthy springs and smoot a better d-line, and more agggressive play by the entire defense. I don't know why he will be better, but he will be because of one of the above reasons.

Just my take, and i hope im right cause then we can be a D, that Coach JOe is used to, with turnovers, and aggressive

[BurgundyNGold]

I agree Rogers is trending towards being a bust, he doesn't have the speed the way I see it.

Springs though when healthy is exceptional. Very smart player his IQ is tremendous he's capable of having a 7-10 pick season. Has great hips to cover well on the short routes and is there on the deep throws. I think with his off season training he's gonna be very good this season.

I'm praying Rogers breaks out and find some confidence playing man alot more this season.

Landry if as good as advertized could make our whole defense outstanding . If he's a smaller version of Taylor in the box sacking qb's and stuffing the run, and Taylor is playing center field and knocking receivers out we could have a defense that produces alot of to's.
Springs has only had 1 season with 7 picks and that was in 1998. He has, conversely, had 6 seasons with 2 picks or less. I'm going to go with the under on 7 picks.

[RedskinsVision]

All the new guys replacing the burnt tires from last year's secondary can only improve. That's not saying much considering the awfulness of 06' but I see this group giving our DL a lot of time to get to the QB (anything helps). And Rogers might actually learn to catch and earn the moniker 50/50 from Rod Gardner.

[Moe]

"This is a make or break year for Rogers. Either he steps up or we'll be using yet another high draft pick on a DB next year."

Considering Springs' age and the drama that surrounded this this off-season, this would seem to be unavoidable regardless of how Rogers plays.

[Moe]

Rodgers had an awfully good rookie year, so I'm hopeful his second season was an example of the dreeded Sophmore Slump, and he bounces back. The guy sure seems to have the physical tools, lets just hope he uses them.

I agree both in that he seems physically capable of being a very good corner and that he should bounce back this season. It was asking a lot for a 2nd year player to jump in and replace Springs and to do so on what was borne out to be a flawed and erratic defense only compunded his troubles. Even still, had he held on to a few of those potential int's, we'd likely be singing a different song about him.

[HanburgerBum]

A couple of things struck me.

One, Walt Harris is now regarded as a solid No. 2 corner for SF. That hurts.

Two, the guy who replaced Michael Lewis in Philly is considered an upgrade. Yet, Michael Lewis is regarded as a big addition for the 49ers. I guess it all depends upon one's perspective. But, what happens when the "one" is the same person?

[HanburgerBum]

I've said it a million times. The Redskins can play defense when Shawn Springs is healthy and on the field. When he's not, our defense gets lit up like a Christmas tree.


If Springs is truly the key to the Skins' defense, I am very nervous. He is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off another injury-marred season. It is not clear at all that he has Darrell Green's kind of longevity.

[Moe]

One, Walt Harris is now regarded as a solid No. 2 corner for SF. That hurts.

Don't let it get to you. Harris is a middling CB and the Skins were right to let him walk considering his age and desire for a nice pay increase. He benefitted from facing some horrific QB's last year and getting some fortunate bounces. He wouldn't have helped this team last year.


Two, the guy who replaced Michael Lewis in Philly is considered an upgrade. Yet, Michael Lewis is regarded as a big addition for the 49ers. I guess it all depends upon one's perspective. But, what happens when the "one" is the same person?

I'm confused. Are you saying that Mike Lewis went to SF and replaced a guy who is now playing his spot in Philly?

[superskin]

Ranking the Cowboy's secondary ahead of ours is continued evidence of the blind eye turned towards the liability that is Roy Williams. Whenever that commercial comes on (where Williams is pushing kids on a swing and the narrator says "no one covers more ground that Roy Williams), I always shout out "Yeah, covers more ground from BEHIND when he is chasing Santana."

My girlfriend got sick of that the 16th time I said it.

[HanburgerBum]

Don't let it get to you. Harris is a middling CB and the Skins were right to let him walk considering his age and desire for a nice pay increase. He benefitted from facing some horrific QB's last year and getting some fortunate bounces. He wouldn't have helped this team last year.




I'm confused. Are you saying that Mike Lewis went to SF and replaced a guy who is now playing his spot in Philly?


Unless there are two safeties in the NFL named Michael Lewis, he apparently left Philly and signed with the 49ers.

The author stated that the guy who replaced Lewis in Philly was an upgrade, thereby implying Lewis wasn't much of a loss. Yet, the author, when evaluating the SF secondary stated Lewis was a big addition. The two statements appear to be inconsistent, unless Philly's secondary is so much better than that of the 49ers. Yet, the author rank both secondaries in the top 10.