Secrets from a Lost Season, Post

[greatest2]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/21/AR2007072101176.html


crazy stuff. I feel bad for Marcus, and heres to hoping it was all a mistake, and it stays in the past.

[redskin_rich]

Wow! I do believe Marcus didn't do anything wrong and he obviously proved it but I wonder what it was that he drank that diluted his urine in the first place.

It's such a shame when honest players have to go through this because of cheaters but it should send a message to everybody to always know what you are putting in your body.

[PyroGenic]

Wow! I do believe Marcus didn't do anything wrong and he obviously proved it but I wonder what it was that he drank that diluted his urine in the first place.

It's such a shame when honest players have to go through this because of cheaters but it should send a message to everybody to always know what you are putting in your body.

It looked like he drank too much water ( I know green tea dillutes urine too, I'm addicted to that stuff ) and he said that he was going to stick to Gatorade or Lemonade or whatever for it to not happen again.

[BurgundyNGold]

I could have lived the rest of my life and not had to know this. It doesn't change my opinion of Washington as a baller nor does it explain how this led to his injuries last year.

[redskin_rich]

I could have lived the rest of my life and not had to know this. It doesn't change my opinion of Washington as a baller nor does it explain how this led to his injuries last year.

Injuries just happen and this story has little to do with that, other than the compounding of Washington's frustration last year.
I can totally understand the stress Marcus went through, having to make a weekly trip to NY, on his off day, for something that he didn't feel he was in the wrong for and being all alone in it.

[BurgundyNGold]

Injuries just happen and this story has little to do with that, other than the compounding of Washington's frustration last year.
I can totally understand the stress Marcus went through, having to make a weekly trip to NY, on his off day, for something that he didn't feel he was in the wrong for and being all alone in it.
I'm not saying I can't empathize. I just don't really care. ;)

[greatest2]

i feel so bad for the guy, its awful when honest players get caught up. And he thought he was doing good, just drink water, there can't be nothing wrong with that. THis is completly crazy, and i hope it doesn't happen again. I mean really, who would have thought to much water, they tell you to drink all you can to stay hydrated. And here he gets the shaft.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not saying I can't empathize. I just don't really care. ;)

Well, as Marcus is one of my current favorites and becoming an all time fave, I do care. And I can say I am even prouder of him after reading this.

Marcus is one of the guys I can't help but love. I know a lot of people were criticizing him for dancing last year but you have to understand, that is the way he is. He goes 100% every play, whether in a game or a practice. I know, I have seen it. What is not to like about that?

[Carmelo]

That was pretty tough. Hopefully, the air is clear and he can start fresh this season and we can get him back to his old form. This is something I can understand from him. Imagine if he would have popped the test with a diluted urine again and got sent to stage two where his name was released? No matter how innocent he was, it's something none of us would have forgotten... something that would have tainted his name.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well, as Marcus is one of my current favorites and becoming an all time fave, I do care. And I can say I am even prouder of him after reading this.

Marcus is one of the guys I can't help but love. I know a lot of people were criticizing him for dancing last year but you have to understand, that is the way he is. He goes 100% every play, whether in a game or a practice. I know, I have seen it. What is not to like about that?
I think you missed my little joke, lol.

I like MW. He's probably my favorite Redskin. After Ade Jimoh, of course.

[smoak]

Wow! I do believe Marcus didn't do anything wrong and he obviously proved it but I wonder what it was that he drank that diluted his urine in the first place.

It's such a shame when honest players have to go through this because of cheaters but it should send a message to everybody to always know what you are putting in your body.

Thankfully I've never had to take drug tests or worry about the results from one, but doesn't just drinking a lot of water do it? On one hand they are trying to hydrate players by pumping them full of water, but on the other their urine sample is diluted.... It would seem like a catch 22 to me?

[smoak]

I could have lived the rest of my life and not had to know this. It doesn't change my opinion of Washington as a baller nor does it explain how this led to his injuries last year.

No, but it puts an emotional human side to a helmet and a jersey. You've met MW, but most fans will never even get to say hi to him so stories like these have their place IMO.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I thought this was a thread about the tv series Lost.
Bummer.

[LATrueRedskin]

Marcus has definately earned the benefit of the doubt from me. He's a good man, who takes his job as a football player very seriously. That's terrible he had to go through this ordeal, and news of it was really shocking to me. I can't wait to see Marcus play this year.

[ryflan47]

He's gonna have a chip on his shoulder this year.

[skinguy]

Good article, but I would have liked to have seen more information from an expert on diluted samples. Is it really as simple as drinking too much water? A pro athlete, constantly reminded about the dangers of dehydration, in the middle of the summer and probably right around the time that Lefotu was found unconscious and rushed to the hospital, is bound to drink a lot more fluids. I guess Marcus answered it somewhat at the end, "Washington said. "I'll drink a little bit of water, but from now it's all lemonade, or Gatorade or something. That will never happen to me again."" I'd still prefer to hear more about it from an expert. Just a small paragraph would have done the trick. Off to google land ...

It is sad that there are so many guilty people out there vehemently claiming innocence that there's no longer much room for giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

[RedskinRyan]

it must take a lot of courage for marcus to come out with something like this. only in stage one, he never even needed to publicize it himself, but he came out with it. that is like the ultimate way of setting the record straight. he's got my belief he's innocent on this.

[BurgundyNGold]

it must take a lot of courage for marcus to come out with something like this. only in stage one, he never even needed to publicize it himself, but he came out with it. that is like the ultimate way of setting the record straight. he's got my belief he's innocent on this.
Oh, I never doubted his innocence. He's a class act all the way.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Well, as Marcus is one of my current favorites and becoming an all time fave, I do care. And I can say I am even prouder of him after reading this.

Marcus is one of the guys I can't help but love. I know a lot of people were criticizing him for dancing last year but you have to understand, that is the way he is. He goes 100% every play, whether in a game or a practice. I know, I have seen it. What is not to like about that?
i agree with you all the way rich. marcus is my favorite player on defense and i have alot more respect for him after reading this article. i hope he plays with a huge, yet healthy chip on his shoulder and we'll get to see that same energy guy he was when he first got here.

[jaylen]

Well I think its likely Marcus cheated, Nice guys cheat sometimes as well, sure he's sympathetic and has been a good redskin I like the guy but its clear to me that the author of the article was attempting to write a soft ball piece.

None of the skins officials even off the record wouldn't comment which is ominous, they know more than what's being told here about the supposed diluted sample, Marcus Washington has had alot of injuries the last couple years and taking alittle something to help him recover seems reasonable within the framework of a guy dealing with nagging injuries.

Benefit of the doubt aside I can see him making a msitake and doing something stupid.

its like Merriman for me his whole issue was soft balled as well, he's this maniac coming out of nowhere throwing up crazy sack numbers he gets busted for Roids and he gets the story passed as Oh I took the wrong supplement and the media falls for it.

I remember Merrimans whole career at Md and he was not that big his 1st couple years at Md and then suddenly he explodes size wise into this monster with the non stop motor. He wasn't that good a player at Md that he's been in the NFL.

Didn't Maerriman have to fail a couple test at different times to finally be suspended some games. Its not a 1st violation miss 4 games thing right.

But back to Marcus I think he messed up and paid a heavy price, its apparent he's not a serial cheater but I think its very possible he made a bad decision once.

[HanburgerBum]

Well I think its likely Marcus cheated, Nice guys cheat sometimes as well, sure he's sympathetic and has been a good redskin I like the guy but its clear to me that the author of the article was attempting to write a soft ball piece.

None of the skins officials even off the record wouldn't comment which is ominous, they know more than what's being told here about the supposed diluted sample, Marcus Washington has had alot of injuries the last couple years and taking alittle something to help him recover seems reasonable within the framework of a guy dealing with nagging injuries.

Benefit of the doubt aside I can see him making a msitake and doing something stupid.

its like Merriman for me his whole issue was soft balled as well, he's this maniac coming out of nowhere throwing up crazy sack numbers he gets busted for Roids and he gets the story passed as Oh I took the wrong supplement and the media falls for it.

I remember Merrimans whole career at Md and he was not that big his 1st couple years at Md and then suddenly he explodes size wise into this monster with the non stop motor. He wasn't that good a player at Md that he's been in the NFL.

Didn't Maerriman have to fail a couple test at different times to finally be suspended some games. Its not a 1st violation miss 4 games thing right.

But back to Marcus I think he messed up and paid a heavy price, its apparent he's not a serial cheater but I think its very possible he made a bad decision once.


I think your post just proved how difficult it is to get back one's name and honor, whether one is guilty or not.

[Fathead]

The team can't say anything on or off the record either way. If they say something for the testing, it comes across like MW definately was cheating. If they speak against the testing, its just covering for their guy and its opening the door for the league to really start harassing players for the skins.



1 diluted sample does not a cheater make.

[hockeygoalie29]

Well I think its likely Marcus cheated, Nice guys cheat sometimes as well, sure he's sympathetic and has been a good redskin I like the guy but its clear to me that the author of the article was attempting to write a soft ball piece.

None of the skins officials even off the record wouldn't comment which is ominous, they know more than what's being told here about the supposed diluted sample, Marcus Washington has had alot of injuries the last couple years and taking alittle something to help him recover seems reasonable within the framework of a guy dealing with nagging injuries.

Benefit of the doubt aside I can see him making a msitake and doing something stupid.

its like Merriman for me his whole issue was soft balled as well, he's this maniac coming out of nowhere throwing up crazy sack numbers he gets busted for Roids and he gets the story passed as Oh I took the wrong supplement and the media falls for it.

I remember Merrimans whole career at Md and he was not that big his 1st couple years at Md and then suddenly he explodes size wise into this monster with the non stop motor. He wasn't that good a player at Md that he's been in the NFL.

Didn't Maerriman have to fail a couple test at different times to finally be suspended some games. Its not a 1st violation miss 4 games thing right.

But back to Marcus I think he messed up and paid a heavy price, its apparent he's not a serial cheater but I think its very possible he made a bad decision once.

There's a big difference between the situation Marcus is in and the situation Merriman was in. Merriman tested positive for steroids (and yes, it only takes one failed test) while Washington didn't. If he had, he would have been suspended. His test was flagged for being diluted which can be caused by many different situations. Drinking too much water is one, taking a masking agent is another.

The point is that there is no evidence that Washington did anything wrong. He went through 3 months of intense supervision by the league and was cleared. Case closed.

[csquared]

Im pretty sure there was more to it than just drinking too much water. Heck nobody knows he is an " honest guy being accused". Glad he never tested positive. Frankly Marcus needs to do more tackling than dancing in my book. Im tired of the celebration after a rb just gained 8 yards on you.

[jaylen]

There's a big difference between the situation Marcus is in and the situation Merriman was in. Merriman tested positive for steroids (and yes, it only takes one failed test) while Washington didn't. If he had, he would have been suspended. His test was flagged for being diluted which can be caused by many different situations. Drinking too much water is one, taking a masking agent is another.

The point is that there is no evidence that Washington did anything wrong. He went through 3 months of intense supervision by the league and was cleared. Case closed.

U don't wanna go to far down this road because I am a diehard skins fan for over 30 years and like Marcus Washington but there is evidence thats why he was put in the program. All I'm saying is its quite possible he was taking some masking stuff that was hiding something he may have been doing.

It happens to good guys as well is all.

I know as a Skins fan there is a tendancy to see the rosy picture but pro athlete's saying oh I was just drinking too much water sounds like a likely excuse. I'm sure if there was an extreme rash of over hydrated water drinkers out there there would be alot more Skins caught up in this sorta situation.

[hockeygoalie29]

U don't wanna go to far down this road because I am a diehard skins fan for over 30 years and like Marcus Washington but there is evidence thats why he was put in the program. All I'm saying is its quite possible he was taking some masking stuff that was hiding something he may have been doing.

It happens to good guys as well is all.

I know as a Skins fan there is a tendancy to see the rosy picture but pro athlete's saying oh I was just drinking too much water sounds like a likely excuse. I'm sure if there was an extreme rash of over hydrated water drinkers out there there would be alot more Skins caught up in this sorta situation.

But if he was guilty of anything why would he even bring it up? Nobody ever would have known he was involved in the program if he hadn't brought it up in an interview 9 months after he was discharged from the program. If he had done anything to be ashamed of, he would have kept his mouth shut.

[greatest2]

But if he was guilty of anything why would he even bring it up? Nobody ever would have known he was involved in the program if he hadn't brought it up in an interview 9 months after he was discharged from the program. If he had done anything to be ashamed of, he would have kept his mouth shut.

you right, if he knows he did roids and took a masking agent, and then got cleared after intense supervision, why would he bring it up at a later date. On the other hand, why did he say anything about it cause nobody would have found out. If he is clean and he just drank to much water, why bring it up, when you know there will be people questioning your excuse.

Just because he brought it up doesn't mean he is innocent. And i love MW, but there is a chance that he took a masking agent just as much as there is a chance that he just drank to much water. I think all JAYLEN is trying to say is that we have to take are B&G shades off, and see that him doing something wrong is just as probable as him just drinking to much water. I absolutly hope he didn't, and i tend to believe that he didn't, but i am not ignorant to the fact he could have done something wrong

[jaylen]

you right, if he knows he did roids and took a masking agent, and then got cleared after intense supervision, why would he bring it up at a later date. On the other hand, why did he say anything about it cause nobody would have found out. If he is clean and he just drank to much water, why bring it up, when you know there will be people questioning your excuse.

Just because he brought it up doesn't mean he is innocent. And i love MW, but there is a chance that he took a masking agent just as much as there is a chance that he just drank to much water. I think all JAYLEN is trying to say is that we have to take are B&G shades off, and see that him doing something wrong is just as probable as him just drinking to much water. I absolutly hope he didn't, and i tend to believe that he didn't, but i am not ignorant to the fact he could have done something wrong


Well said, exact thing I was saying.

I tend to think the guy from the Post found out and asked Marcus did he wanna talk about it or I'll just dime you out if you don't kinda thing and leave the impression in the media be up to the fans interpretation.

[stonebraker]

Well, as Marcus is one of my current favorites and becoming an all time fave, I do care. And I can say I am even prouder of him after reading this.

Marcus is one of the guys I can't help but love. I know a lot of people were criticizing him for dancing last year but you have to understand, that is the way he is. He goes 100% every play, whether in a game or a practice. I know, I have seen it. What is not to like about that?

This previous post by Redskin_rich pretty much sums up my feelings on 53.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Well I think its likely Marcus cheated, Nice guys cheat sometimes as well, sure he's sympathetic and has been a good redskin I like the guy but its clear to me that the author of the article was attempting to write a soft ball piece.

None of the skins officials even off the record wouldn't comment which is ominous, they know more than what's being told here about the supposed diluted sample, Marcus Washington has had alot of injuries the last couple years and taking alittle something to help him recover seems reasonable within the framework of a guy dealing with nagging injuries.

Benefit of the doubt aside I can see him making a msitake and doing something stupid.

its like Merriman for me his whole issue was soft balled as well, he's this maniac coming out of nowhere throwing up crazy sack numbers he gets busted for Roids and he gets the story passed as Oh I took the wrong supplement and the media falls for it.

I remember Merrimans whole career at Md and he was not that big his 1st couple years at Md and then suddenly he explodes size wise into this monster with the non stop motor. He wasn't that good a player at Md that he's been in the NFL.

Didn't Maerriman have to fail a couple test at different times to finally be suspended some games. Its not a 1st violation miss 4 games thing right.

But back to Marcus I think he messed up and paid a heavy price, its apparent he's not a serial cheater but I think its very possible he made a bad decision once.
well, at least from a physical stand point, there is more reason to believe merriman cheated as opposed to MW who isnt some big meat head who blew up overnight.

[Skins57]

it is a sad state that if you drink too much water this can happen to a clean player. hopefullt MW uses this seasonto take some frustrations out on te feld

[skinsfan36]

thats crazy he has watch what he drinks lol hes not merriman

[70chip-on-1]

Marcus is a great Redskin. Whatever happened with that mess, I could care less. I'm just holding my breath to see his recovery from serious hip surgery. I think he was just cleared to practice in late May, and was still hobbling from the butcher not long before that. He's a full throttle kind of player, and needs to be able to play that way to be effective... however he's a bawler, and bawler's play through the pain. :banger:

[silverspring]

Oh the drama....I like marcus washington a lot but it is hard for me to take this seriously. MW sure didn't seem to down to me last year, he must have taught me 15 new dance moves before the first half of the season was over.

[culpeper]

U don't wanna go to far down this road because I am a diehard skins fan for over 30 years and like Marcus Washington but there is evidence thats why he was put in the program. All I'm saying is its quite possible he was taking some masking stuff that was hiding something he may have been doing.

It happens to good guys as well is all.

I know as a Skins fan there is a tendancy to see the rosy picture but pro athlete's saying oh I was just drinking too much water sounds like a likely excuse. I'm sure if there was an extreme rash of over hydrated water drinkers out there there would be alot more Skins caught up in this sorta situation.

#1 one doesnt try to drink too much water to mask a steroid/HGH positive test. you drink too much water to pass a recreational drug test (weed, cocaine, etc.)

#2 these guys are usually only given a few hours advance before they are notified to show up and take a drug test. (at least thats how they do it in D1 college ball). i would imagine its not too different, especially for how many positive tests are out there in the past few years...

#3 its not just water that can dilute the test to produce a failed test. (and a diluted test IS a failed test, hence the reason for his trips to NY). if you drink too much of anything, this will fail you. so MW is just showing ignorance when he says hes sticking to gatorade. the test is very sensitive. you can also fail from being too dehydrated!

IMO, hes been smoking. he almost got caught, and he paid for it with the inconvenience of travelling.