DFA: Akh's 2008 Mock

[akhhorus]

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2007/07/akhs-first-2008-mock.html)

Discuss

[BurgundyNGold]

The Redskins picking DL in the first round? Blasphemer!

[akhhorus]

The Redskins picking DL in the first round? Blasphemer!

Did I say anything about him playing DE in the NFL? He's got the perfect NFL body for a FB lmao.

[esmith1790]

good job as always taking the time to put a mock draft together. I think right now the Boys priorities are RB/WR/CB/DE. Not sure i heard about the James Davis kid, but will keep an eye on him, I think Wade will try the Michael Turner connection first in the offseason all depending how bad cleveland does in the season.

RB-MT(FA) McFadden/Slanton
WR-DeSean Jackson(jr) Sweed
CB- Cason
DE if DE turns out to be that bad of a spot, and if Hatcher/Ratliff dont show they can start, then i think Campbell from Miami would be used by our 1st pick.

[akhhorus]

good job as always taking the time to put a mock draft together. I think right now the Boys priorities are RB/WR/CB/DE. Not sure i heard about the James Davis kid, but will keep an eye on him, I think Wade will try the Michael Turner connection first in the offseason all depending how bad cleveland does in the season.

RB-MT(FA) McFadden/Slanton
WR-DeSean Jackson(jr) Sweed
CB- Cason
DE if DE turns out to be that bad of a spot, and if Hatcher/Ratliff dont show they can start, then i think Campbell from Miami would be used by our 1st pick.

Campbell needs to add 40+ lbs to play the 3-4 DE. Chris Long is a pretty solid talent and has played well in the 3-4 at the DE spot. Davis is a junior, but a very good combo of size and speed. Turner is a possibility, but it wasn't like Wade was his coach. I think Dallas will go for McFadden first, then draft someone. I doubt they'll go after a young RB unless something changes.

[esmith1790]

Campbell needs to add 40+ lbs to play the 3-4 DE. Chris Long is a pretty solid talent and has played well in the 3-4 at the DE spot. Davis is a junior, but a very good combo of size and speed. Turner is a possibility, but it wasn't like Wade was his coach. I think Dallas will go for McFadden first, then draft someone. I doubt they'll go after a young RB unless something changes.

the Miami site says Campbell is 280. I am sure he could get to 290-295 or so. If the DE spot is really really bad and the back-ups cant prove they can become starters then i think they use their 1st pick on a DE. However, if Spears/Canty cant get it done then Hatcher/Ratliff would get a shot to start. We would go offense probably both picks. One to address the RB situation, but i think we go MT based of the rumors we were trying to trade for him this year. WR is aslo a need for us, even if Owens/Glenn play then 2008 year.

[akhhorus]

the Miami site says Campbell is 280. I am sure he could get to 290-295 or so.

He was 253 last year, I doubt he could put on 30 lbs that quickly. Its possible, but we'll see.

If the DE spot is really really bad

It is.

and the back-ups cant prove they can become starters

They won't.

then i think they use their 1st pick on a DE.

I actually find Dallas under Jeruh now very hard to predict. They haven't taken a "need" or even perceived need position with their first two picks in the last 2 drafts.

However, if Spears/Canty cant get it done then Hatcher/Ratliff would get a shot to start. We would go offense probably both picks. One to address the RB situation, but i think we go MT based of the rumors we were trying to trade for him this year. WR is aslo a need for us, even if Owens/Glenn play then 2008 year.

You need replacements for Flozell, TO, Glenn, JJ/MB and probably Columbo after this season(and maybe Romo if he walks).

[esmith1790]

You need replacements for Flozell, TO, Glenn, JJ/MB and probably Columbo after this season(and maybe Romo if he walks).

we drafted to OL, Free and Marten so we will know better about them next year, Romo wont walk away, if he is anything worth keeping we will just franchise him. JJ most likely will be replaced my Michael Turner and MB should be effective again in his role. We most likely will use a 1st on a WR so i doubt we go DE in the 1st again. I think we would role the dice with Hatcher if he shows anything at all.

Just like the skins, you cant just keep spending #1 picks on 1 area. If springs is done and Rogers is average the skins will have to use a high pick again on a CB to help out.

[akhhorus]

we drafted to OL, Free and Marten so we will know better about them next year, Romo wont walk away, if he is anything worth keeping we will just franchise him.

No way on God's green earth will Jeruh franchise Romo. No way. He'll let him walk before he does that.

JJ most likely will be replaced my Michael Turner and MB should be effective again in his role. We most likely will use a 1st on a WR so i doubt we go DE in the 1st again. I think we would role the dice with Hatcher if he shows anything at all.

Phillips' defense is dependent on having quality at DE, if they struggle at DE this season, they might use both 1sts on DEs.


Just like the skins, you cant just keep spending #1 picks on 1 area. If springs is done and Rogers is average the skins will have to use a high pick again on a CB to help out.

If Springs is done and Rogers is average, they'll play Smoot and Rogers and go after a vet to replace Springs. Dallas has drafted 2 straight years an OLb, despite having Ware, Ellis and Ayodele(who was an OLB in Jax). The skins have done nothing like that. We didn't have 1 very good safety and 1 solid safety in 2003 and drafted Taylor and Landry in consecutive years(one was in 2004, one in 2007).

[esmith1790]

No way on God's green earth will Jeruh franchise Romo. No way. He'll let him walk before he does that.


How can you say that? Please explain how you can say 'No way on God's green earth"... That is all the talk down here in Dallas as of why Romo hasnt gotten a deal yet, the cowboys hold the cards, they can always franchise him.

[RedskinRyan]

what is all this love affair for steve slaton? is he really considered to be that good of a running back in a spread offense? he's 5'10 and under 200 pounds, and wore down last year.

[firehawk157]

I just thought the order was interesting... NYG sit at the first pick, I think they'll do horrid this year (Eli had a 77 QB rating last year and they're playing a guard at LT), they lost Tiki and Strahan is probably going to walk. They have no secondary to speak of and very little talent at LB. But being the worst of all teams in the NFL???

And then you pick Washington to pick at #23, so that's a playoff berth. The super bowl between NO and NE, with NE winning. Bold predictions my man, bold predictions.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

How can you say that? Please explain how you can say 'No way on God's green earth"... That is all the talk down here in Dallas as of why Romo hasnt gotten a deal yet, the cowboys hold the cards, they can always franchise him.

They sure can, but it's gonna cost them a hell of alot of money. The franchise tag for the QB position currently is 12.6 million dollars, and is destined to go up next year. That is way too much for Romo.

[akhhorus]

How can you say that? Please explain how you can say 'No way on God's green earth"... That is all the talk down here in Dallas as of why Romo hasnt gotten a deal yet, the cowboys hold the cards, they can always franchise him.

Because Jeruh won't pay him 8-10 million a year. Supposedly, Jeruh is balking at paying Romo 4-5 mil a year.

what is all this love affair for steve slaton? is he really considered to be that good of a running back in a spread offense? he's 5'10 and under 200 pounds, and wore down last year.

I agree 100%, he's not NFL material, BUT I think-barring injury, he'll go high.

[dogfight6]

Wow great job love the giants picking #1, have you given any thought to 2009.

[RedskinRyan]

Wow great job love the giants picking #1, have you given any thought to 2009.

akh secretly has mocks up until 2023

[esmith1790]

Because Jeruh won't pay him 8-10 million a year. Supposedly, Jeruh is balking at paying Romo 4-5 mil a year.



I agree 100%, he's not NFL material, BUT I think-barring injury, he'll go high.

where did you hear that he is balking at paying Romo 4-5 Mil per year. He has already stated that he would pay starting QB money and has never had a problem paying players.

[esmith1790]

They sure can, but it's gonna cost them a hell of alot of money. The franchise tag for the QB position currently is 12.6 million dollars, and is destined to go up next year. That is way too much for Romo.

If you sign a starting QB he is gona get almost 12mil in the first year anyways.

[BurgundyNGold]

Wow great job love the giants picking #1, have you given any thought to 2009.
Probably. I think Akh's next parole hearing is in 2009. ;)

[RedskinRyan]

Probably. I think Akh's next parole hearing is in 2009. ;)

:lolbig:

[akhhorus]

where did you hear that he is balking at paying Romo 4-5 Mil per year. He has already stated that he would pay starting QB money and has never had a problem paying players.

Sirus NFL about a month ago, when there were reports that Romo was close to an extension, but Jeruh wouldn't agree to roughly a 3 year-15 million deal+an option at 7 million for a 4th year. If Jeruh aint gonna pay Romo 5 mil a year, he ain't going to tag him at or around 12.

Probably. I think Akh's next parole hearing is in 2009. ;)

RAMIREZ!!!!!!!!!!!

[akhhorus]

I just thought the order was interesting... NYG sit at the first pick, I think they'll do horrid this year (Eli had a 77 QB rating last year and they're playing a guard at LT), they lost Tiki and Strahan is probably going to walk. They have no secondary to speak of and very little talent at LB. But being the worst of all teams in the NFL???

And then you pick Washington to pick at #23, so that's a playoff berth. The super bowl between NO and NE, with NE winning. Bold predictions my man, bold predictions.

The Giants have turned over their offense to a Qb who struggles with pressure, without his top offensive player(his RB-Tivo Barber), with a terrible Oline, supported by a defense that just got worse(Ross looks awful), with a lameduck coach and with a GM who acts like he should be on the back of a milk carton. I think if they start losing early, that team will fall apart and they might go 3-13.

[esmith1790]

Sirus NFL about a month ago, when there were reports that Romo was close to an extension, but Jeruh wouldn't agree to roughly a 3 year-15 million deal+an option at 7 million for a 4th year. If Jeruh aint gonna pay Romo 5 mil a year, he ain't going to tag him at or around 12.



I dont ever recall hearing that here in Dallas so not sure how much stock to put into it. But after reading all the camp blogs and live interviews and tv reports. Jones has no problem paying Romo, its just that he doesnt have to right now. He hold the cards.

[akhhorus]

I dont ever recall hearing that here in Dallas so not sure how much stock to put into it. But after reading all the camp blogs and live interviews and tv reports. Jones has no problem paying Romo, its just that he doesnt have to right now. He hold the cards.

No, he doesn't. If Romo says: "I'm not negotiating until after the season and I want to test the market no matter what", then Jeruh screwed up--and will probably lose him via UFA. If you believe that Jeruh just doesn't feel motived to resign his QB, then I don't know what to tell you: you buy the propaganda hook, line and sinker. There's only two reasons why Jeruh doesn't resign him now:
1-He doesn't think Romo is worth a heavy monetary investment and doesn't care if he walks or not
or
2-He's a fool. And Romo will end up costing him 200-300% his value or will be wearing a different uniform in a year.

[esmith1790]

No, he doesn't. If Romo says: "I'm not negotiating until after the season and I want to test the market no matter what", then Jeruh screwed up--and will probably lose him via UFA. If you believe that Jeruh just doesn't feel motived to resign his QB, then I don't know what to tell you: you buy the propaganda hook, line and sinker. There's only two reasons why Jeruh doesn't resign him now:
1-He doesn't think Romo is worth a heavy monetary investment and doesn't care if he walks or not
or
2-He's a fool. And Romo will end up costing him 200-300% his value or will be wearing a different uniform in a year.

Jones can just franchise him, whether Romo likes it or not. If Romo plays great he would deserve the contract he gets that Jones offers him.
Its not that he doesnt want to try to sign him long-term, there isnt a reason that MUST do it now.

[akhhorus]

Jones can just franchise him, whether Romo likes it or not. If Romo plays great he would deserve the contract he gets that Jones offers him.

The Franchise Tag for Qbs this past offseason was 12.61 million, and probably will be over 14.5 million for next year. Jeruh will not pay Romo 14 million for 2008, only to go through this again in 2009(and possibly tagging him again at 17-19 million). And he would have to play much better than how he ended 2006 to be worth half that tag.

Its not that he doesnt want to try to sign him long-term, there isnt a reason that MUST do it now.

Yes there is. I'm sorry you're blinded to it. Romo, as many players have done, can just say: "I don't want to deal with this during the season and I want to test the market". There's no reason to not get Romo locked up now if he thinks Romo is the future. Either Jeruh is a moron and he'll get stuck paying Romo far too much or replacing Romo, or he doesn't think Romo is worth a major financial investment.

[esmith1790]

The Franchise Tag for Qbs this past offseason was 12.61 million, and probably will be over 14.5 million for next year. Jeruh will not pay Romo 14 million for 2008, only to go through this again in 2009(and possibly tagging him again at 17-19 million). And he would have to play much better than how he ended 2006 to be worth half that tag./QUOTE]
If he signs a new contract the signing bonus most likely will be around 8-10mil and he first year salary will be around league minimum around 1mil

So the 1st year payout would be 9-11mil anyways. not that far off from 12.61 mil.

[QUOTE]
Yes there is. I'm sorry you're blinded to it. Romo, as many players have done, can just say: "I don't want to deal with this during the season and I want to test the market". There's no reason to not get Romo locked up now if he thinks Romo is the future. Either Jeruh is a moron and he'll get stuck paying Romo far too much or replacing Romo, or he doesn't think Romo is worth a major financial investment.

If Romo plays great, we would pay him big money anyways.

There is no way He can test the market when he is franchised. It could possibly make an ugly sceen like Lance Briggs or Asante, but if Romo plays well he's gona get paid, franchise tag or not.

[akhhorus]

If he signs a new contract the signing bonus most likely will be around 8-10mil and he first year salary will be around league minimum around 1mil

So the 1st year payout would be 9-11mil anyways. not that far off from 12.61 mil.

its not going to count for 9-11 million against the cap. Thats what I mean by financial investment. Your hypothetical contract would only count for roughly 2.5-3 million in year 1.

If Romo plays great, we would pay him big money anyways.

If my aunt has testicles, she'd be my uncle.

There is no way He can test the market when he is franchised. It could possibly make an ugly sceen like Lance Briggs or Asante

Not true, he can negotiate with other teams unless the Boys use the exclusive rights tag(franchise tag+1 million).

but if Romo plays well he's gona get paid, franchise tag or not.

Well, thats the question. If we assume that Jeruh isn't a fool, then he must think that the question of whether or not Romo is the franchise QB is still unanswered.

[esmith1790]

its not going to count for 9-11 million against the cap. Thats what I mean by financial investment. Your hypothetical contract would only count for roughly 2.5-3 million in year 1.


the total amout out of pocket is 9-11mil, not the cap charge, i should have been more clear. IF we franchise him we can still work out a long-term deal with him.



Not true, he can negotiate with other teams unless the Boys use the exclusive rights tag(franchise tag+1 million).


If Romo proves to be a viable starting NFL quarterback, do you think we wouldnt offer the highest tender, equally 2 #1 picks? Almost any team would.

[akhhorus]

the total amout out of pocket is 9-11mil, not the cap charge, i should have been more clear. IF we franchise him we can still work out a long-term deal with him.

Yes, but you can't offer him a 5 million a year contract(why would he take it), and I believe that the long term contract has to be within a certain percentage of the franchise tag amount in the yearly average.

If Romo proves to be a viable starting NFL quarterback, do you think we wouldnt offer the highest tender, equally 2 #1 picks? Almost any team would.

Romo would have to show to be much more than a "viable starting NFL qb" for he to be worth 12-14 million for even the boys to pay. Thats the average of the top 5 paid Qbs in the NFL, Romo would have to be a top 5 Qb to earn that amount. And it all depends on Romo's performance on whether or not anyone would offer any picks for him as a franchised player. Considering thats there's only been 1 franchised player who fetched 2 1st rounders, I doubt anyone would. The point, which you're avoiding, is that Jeruh might think that Romo was a flash in a pan and thats the real reason he's refusing to get any deal done with him. The evidence bears out that conclusion.

[esmith1790]

Yes, but you can't offer him a 5 million a year contract(why would he take it), and I believe that the long term contract has to be within a certain percentage of the franchise tag amount in the yearly average.



Romo would have to show to be much more than a "viable starting NFL qb" for he to be worth 12-14 million for even the boys to pay. Thats the average of the top 5 paid Qbs in the NFL, Romo would have to be a top 5 Qb to earn that amount. And it all depends on Romo's performance on whether or not anyone would offer any picks for him as a franchised player. Considering thats there's only been 1 franchised player who fetched 2 1st rounders, I doubt anyone would. The point, which you're avoiding, is that Jeruh might think that Romo was a flash in a pan and thats the real reason he's refusing to get any deal done with him. The evidence bears out that conclusion.

Tagging him is a long time away and plenty of time to get a deal done. Contracts are already through the roof based off this past off-season. It is easier to wait and pay him a more then to sign him and have him be a bust and wasted money/investment. Tagging him with the highest tender does scare off all teams. i agree about the 2 1st rounders for Romo. So really he can play the market all he wants but if he performs well he wont be going anywhere.

I hope it gets done soon for sake of argument. There is a buisness side of it. They have talked about here on the radio several times, if you got the money in the bank let it make money for you in interest versus paying it out. 10mil in the bank is making money for Jones. Most of us pay our bills when they are due not early.

[akhhorus]

Tagging him is a long time away and plenty of time to get a deal done. Contracts are already through the roof based off this past off-season.

Neither of these statements make any sense.

It is easier to wait and pay him a more then to sign him and have him be a bust and wasted money/investment.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Tagging him with the highest tender does scare off all teams.

There's no tender levels. Its the franchise amount or nothing else.

i agree about the 2 1st rounders for Romo. So really he can play the market all he wants but if he performs well he wont be going anywhere.

I disagree. If Jeruh decided to roll the dice, and he plays well, tagging him might not prevent him from walking. If I'm a team who needs a good QB, and has lower picks from being successful(Bears and Ravens for examples), I offer Romo a poison pill contract and offer the boys a low first and a third for him.

I hope it gets done soon for sake of argument. There is a buisness side of it. They have talked about here on the radio several times, if you got the money in the bank let it make money for you in interest versus paying it out. 10mil in the bank is making money for Jones. Most of us pay our bills when they are due not early.

Wow, this is ridiculous. Jeruh makes how many hundreds of millions each year with the Boys and he's going to fret over 10 million dollars(plus interest) when he's spending how many millions on the Boys already? He gives Leonard Davis 16 million to sign, but wants to save cash and not sign the "franchise" QB until after the season for strictly financial reasons? That makes no sense.

[RedskinRyan]

If my aunt has testicles, she'd be my uncle.


thanks for the new sig!

[esmith1790]

we have the rest of the year to work on a deal, if one doesnt get done we can franchise him with the top5 offer, then we can still negotiate a long-term deal. He can work out a deal with another team but if he signs it and we get 2 1st rounders. Poison pill or not we get the 2 #1 pics. If Romo plays well enough we will give him the contract he deserves. Your right not many teams give up 2 #1s so it would be even harder for him to go anywhere. Romo really has no cards up his sleeve.

I dont feel that JJ doesnt want to pay him it is just that he doesnt have to. It might cost more in the long run, but better to wait and pay more then to have the money wasted.

[akhhorus]

we have the rest of the year to work on a deal

It makes no sense not to do it now. Zero. None. Unless Jeruh doesn't think that Romo is the answer.

if one doesnt get done we can franchise him with the top5 offer, then we can still negotiate a long-term deal.

And if Jeruh's so worried about cash, why would he pay out 14ish million to Romo next year if he won't give him half as much a year(and thanks for ignoring the Leonard Davis comment)? You can't tag Romo and then pay him 4 million a year.

He can work out a deal with another team but if he signs it and we get 2 1st rounders. Poison pill or not we get the 2 #1 pics.

No, you won't. There's been hostile signings of franchised players(and attempts to do so) and there's been zero chance of 2 1sts for any of them. See the Redskins' offering for Lance Briggs. Sean Gilbert was the only franchised player who fetched 2 1sts and that had a lot to do with Jerry Richardson's booze issues.

If Romo plays well enough we will give him the contract he deserves.

Doesn't mean he'll sign it. We offered Derrick Dockery a contract 'he deserved" based on his play. I think he got 6 times that from Buffalo.

Your right not many teams give up 2 #1s so it would be even harder for him to go anywhere. Romo really has no cards up his sleeve.

No, he can just refuse to negotiate, play out his tag in 2008 and force the Boys to give him his freedom because they can't pay the top 5 average in 2009 plus 1 million(probably looking like 20+ million for then). Do you honestly think Jeruh would let Romo take up 10% of the cap without a long term deal? That would mean the end of Newman in Big D at the very least.

I dont feel that JJ doesnt want to pay him it is just that he doesnt have to.

Either Jeruh is an incompetent GM or doesn't feel that Romo is worth the investment. Take your pick. There isn't a GM in the NFL who wouldn't get the franchise QB locked up asap, rather than letting him potentially walk or even using the tag on him.

It might cost more in the long run, but better to wait and pay more then to have the money wasted.

So, in your fantasyland, it makes more sense to wait and potentially have to pay 14+ million for one year of Romo, rather than sign him to basically the same amount over 3 years(reportedly)? You continue to make no sense.

[skinfanjon]

I noticed you have the Titans picking RB again in the first round. That would be a 1st, 2nd, and 1st spent on that position the past three years. You really think they would go that route? They have a lot of holes.

Also, what are your thoughts on the overall talent level at DE/DT? Where is the best value next year?

[akhhorus]

I noticed you have the Titans picking RB again in the first round. That would be a 1st, 2nd, and 1st spent on that position the past three years. You really think they would go that route? They have a lot of holes.

LenDale White, Chris Brown and Chris Henry don't inspire any confidence. I think if they have a terrible season, they will go out and draft someone like Slaton or sign someone like Turner.

Also, what are your thoughts on the overall talent level at DE/DT? Where is the best value next year?

I think its a pretty thin year for both DEs and DTs(barring a slew of juniors emerging and joining the draft pack). I like Frank Okam, Glenn Dorsey and Lawrence and Tyson Jackson: but outside of that, its meh.

As for the best value, its going to be a very thick QB/RB draft. I count 8 guys who can legitimately make a case for the first round at QB(Brohm, Booty, Brennan, Henne, Ainge, Ryan, Woodson, and Keller) and maybe 6-8 potential first round RBs also.

[RedskinRyan]

they havent spent a 1st rounder on a running back yet(the titans). chris brown was a 3rd rounder i think, henry and lendale being 2nd rounders. but i still dont think they'll draft a running back in the 1st, with those investments.

[skinfanjon]

LenDale White, Chris Brown and Chris Henry don't inspire any confidence. I think if they have a terrible season, they will go out and draft someone like Slaton or sign someone like Turner.

I agree, but I figured they would go the free agency route instead. I guess I should reserve judgement ntil actually seeing those three this season, but it seems as if their scouting department has some deficencies when it comes to the RB position.


As for the best value, its going to be a very thick QB/RB draft. I count 8 guys who can legitimately make a case for the first round at QB(Brohm, Booty, Brennan, Henne, Ainge, Ryan, Woodson, and Keller) and maybe 6-8 potential first round RBs also.

I actually meant best value for DE/DT. Is it clustered in the mid to late first, or can you get better value in the second and third round?

Thats a lot of RB's and QB's though, it will be very interesting watching that play out this season.

[skinfanjon]

they havent spent a 1st rounder on a running back yet(the titans). chris brown was a 3rd rounder i think, henry and lendale being 2nd rounders. but i still dont think they'll draft a running back in the 1st, with those investments.

Yeah, I was thinking White was a first rounder for some reason, but Henry was a second rounder. Either way, I agree with you, it seems like a lot to be invested.

[esmith1790]

It makes no sense not to do it now. Zero. None. Unless Jeruh doesn't think that Romo is the answer. On the sports cast tonight they interview JJ and he said negotiations were on-going and hopefully should be done before the end of the season



And if Jeruh's so worried about cash, why would he pay out 14ish million to Romo next year if he won't give him half as much a year(and thanks for ignoring the Leonard Davis comment)? You can't tag Romo and then pay him 4 million a year.
accidently read over the LD comment, so i didnt ingore it, JJ doesnt have to pay Romo now, where do you get that i think we are trying to hold out for 4mil a year. If Romo plays well he gets what he deserves.



No, you won't. There's been hostile signings of franchised players(and attempts to do so) and there's been zero chance of 2 1sts for any of them. See the Redskins' offering for Lance Briggs. Sean Gilbert was the only franchised player who fetched 2 1sts and that had a lot to do with Jerry Richardson's booze issues.
the zero chance helps the boys case, of having the upper hand. Lance's issues was not getting paid long-term, once again IF Romo plays well he will get paid well.



Doesn't mean he'll sign it. We offered Derrick Dockery a contract 'he deserved" based on his play. I think he got 6 times that from Buffalo.

You could have franchised him too.


No, he can just refuse to negotiate, play out his tag in 2008 and force the Boys to give him his freedom because they can't pay the top 5 average in 2009 plus 1 million(probably looking like 20+ million for then). Do you honestly think Jeruh would let Romo take up 10% of the cap without a long term deal? That would mean the end of Newman in Big D at the very least.

By then we all will know what type of player Romo is and if he sucks not sure how many teams would want him, and if he does great, i hope that a contract would be done in 2 years.



Either Jeruh is an incompetent GM or doesn't feel that Romo is worth the investment. Take your pick. There isn't a GM in the NFL who wouldn't get the franchise QB locked up asap, rather than letting him potentially walk or even using the tag on him.

Same thing again, we would like to get a contract done but we have time and the upper hand.



So, in your fantasyland, it makes more sense to wait and potentially have to pay 14+ million for one year of Romo, rather than sign him to basically the same amount over 3 years(reportedly)? You continue to make no sense.

I think you are some what confused, the contract starting point is the Matt Schaub deal, so where do you get the 3 yr 14 mil contract.

[akhhorus]

On the sports cast tonight they interview JJ and he said negotiations were on-going and hopefully should be done before the end of the season


Yeah, those negotiations have been on-going for 8 months now.

accidently read over the LD comment, so i didnt ingore it, JJ doesnt have to pay Romo now, where do you get that i think we are trying to hold out for 4mil a year. If Romo plays well he gets what he deserves.

Not an answer to what I said about Davis.

the zero chance helps the boys case, of having the upper hand. Lance's issues was not getting paid long-term, once again IF Romo plays well he will get paid well.[/QUUOTE]

Not an answer to what I said previously.

[QUOTE=esmith1790;982145]You could have franchised him too.

Except the Skins, rightfully so, didn't think he was worth the franchise tag.

By then we all will know what type of player Romo is and if he sucks not sure how many teams would want him, and if he does great, i hope that a contract would be done in 2 years.

Again: not an answer to what I said. Jeruh isn't going to use the tag on Romo because doing so(especially for two years consecutively) will destroy the Boys' cap situation.

Same thing again, we would like to get a contract done but we have time and the upper hand.

Until they sign, you don't have the upper hand.

I think you are some what confused, the contract starting point is the Matt Schaub deal, so where do you get the 3 yr 14 mil contract.

So, Jeruh isn't comfortable shelling out a 5 million dollar SB and essentially a 4 years-26 million(Schaub's contract minus the balloon years) deal to Romo, but you think that if it gets down to it, he'll tag him at 14 million for 08?

[lakewinola]

When was the last time 6 QBs went in the first round?

[akhhorus]

When was the last time 6 QBs went in the first round?

1983, but 5 went in 1999 and 4 in 2004.

[lakewinola]

1983, but 5 went in 1999 and 4 in 2004.

Lots of busts in 99.

[akhhorus]

Lots of busts in 99.

The draft is and always will be Ground Zero for delusion. Despite the fact that there's been 1 Michigan WR in the last 15 years(Toomer) who's done anything remotely substantial in the NFL, teams still keep drafting them high.

[skinsfan36]

nice draft theres some talent next year at de that we need to go after i like the tyson jackson pick for us

[lavarsamonster]

good draft for this early, my only disagreements are....

I think that is a little high for slaton and im a wvu fan his size is a question and he already has had college injuries so i see him more along the lines of middle teens

QB's Do you think Matt Ryan gets drafted before Woodson, Ainge, Henne, Brennan??? Personally I would have them ranked Brohm, Woodson, Booty, Henne, Brennan first round Ryan, Ainge early second

DE- I do think Campbell will be a top 5 pick if he was a season close to last years, clubs always love a tall DE with speed and a body to put on weight

I also think Maualuga has the potential to be a first round pick and him and cushing could both go

Just a few discrepencies but its only opinion and its early

[akhhorus]

good draft for this early, my only disagreements are....

I think that is a little high for slaton and im a wvu fan his size is a question and he already has had college injuries so i see him more along the lines of middle teens

I think Slaton will have a monster season and a badly run team will take him way too high. The Titans fit that profile too well lol.

QB's Do you think Matt Ryan gets drafted before Woodson, Ainge, Henne, Brennan??? Personally I would have them ranked Brohm, Woodson, Booty, Henne, Brennan first round Ryan, Ainge early second

I think Ryan will be one of the first Qbs taken. All the ones you bring up have major question marks about them. I think that at the end of the day, Brennan will drop like a stone and Brohm, Booty, Ainge, Woodson, Ryan and Henne will be first rounders.

DE- I do think Campbell will be a top 5 pick if he was a season close to last years, clubs always love a tall DE with speed and a body to put on weight

He has great physical attributes, but its going to be interesting to see what happens. That Dline was devastated by the NFL and its going to be Campbell and a bunch of raw players.


I also think Maualuga has the potential to be a first round pick and him and cushing could both go

That whole USC defense could go in the first round. USC has, amazingly, a more talented team now than when they had the leinart-bush-Jarrett-etc teams.

[lavarsamonster]

I think Slaton will have a monster season and a badly run team will take him way too high. The Titans fit that profile too well lol..

I hope he has a monster season and you might be right, but seeing Peterson fall out of the top 5 this year makes me skeptical about what a lot of teams think of rb's

I think Ryan will be one of the first Qbs taken. All the ones you bring up have major question marks about them. I think that at the end of the day, Brennan will drop like a stone and Brohm, Booty, Ainge, Woodson, Ryan and Henne will be first rounders. .

I agree with the brennan statement, even if he doesn't flop i think he is a late 20,s to a 2nd rounder at best, yeah I haven't seen much of ryan but what i did i haven't been too impressed


He has great physical attributes, but its going to be interesting to see what happens. That Dline was devastated by the NFL and its going to be Campbell and a bunch of raw players..

Eric Moncur was a solid back up last year and has plenty of experience, and at DT Terez McCray is a returning starter and Antonio Dixon is enormous 6'3" 335 and started the last two games is is projected to be another star so the canes d-line isn't hurting and still have a lot of experience plus the rest of their defense is still solid with phillips, sharpton, and cook




That whole USC defense could go in the first round. USC has, amazingly, a more talented team now than when they had the leinart-bush-Jarrett-etc teams.

Their defense is unbelieveable and all three of their lb's could go in the first round

[akhhorus]

I hope he has a monster season and you might be right, but seeing Peterson fall out of the top 5 this year makes me skeptical about what a lot of teams think of rb's

Peterson not staying healthy in his final year did that. If Slaton plays the whole season, he'll be a top pick.

I agree with the brennan statement, even if he doesn't flop i think he is a late 20,s to a 2nd rounder at best, yeah I haven't seen much of ryan but what i did i haven't been too impressed

Well, he's the best pure QB in this draft. Watch him again. I think he's better than Brohm. I think Brennan might end up in Day 2.

Eric Moncur was a solid back up last year and has plenty of experience, and at DT Terez McCray is a returning starter and Antonio Dixon is enormous 6'3" 335 and started the last two games is is projected to be another star so the canes d-line isn't hurting and still have a lot of experience plus the rest of their defense is still solid with phillips, sharpton, and cook

Those guys are nothing-right now-compared to Atkins/Brown and Pata. Campbell wasn't the focus last year of blocking schemes, and I'll wait until he shows he can do it before I get too excited about him. He has the physical tools, but we'll see.

[LASkin]

The USC defensive talent is amazing this year - far more than in any year under Carroll. They have 3 safeties who could get drafted (Pinkard was injured all year but is the best now; Taylor Mays, a Sean Taylor type, will be a soph but may be the most talented); the CBs are the best in the Carroll era; as noted, 3 LBs could go in the first round if Rey Malaluga comes out as a junior; and the line will be amazing (the most talented DE as a freshman - and I agree with Akhhorus that Sed Ellis at DT and Lawrence Jackson at DE are first round talents).

Based on talent only, they should have by far the best defense in the NCAA. THey should have multiple shutouts. And they have more talent than a couple of NFL teams on D.

The offense is the big question mark. If they iron things out, they win a NC at the offensive guys like Booty will go high. If they don't sort out the kinks (like which of their 9 5-star running backs will get the ball and who's really calling the plays - Carroll or the offensive coordinator), the offensive guys may slip a lot in the draft because they don't look so good.

[akhhorus]

The USC defensive talent is amazing this year - far more than in any year under Carroll. They have 3 safeties who could get drafted (Pinkard was injured all year but is the best now; Taylor Mays, a Sean Taylor type, will be a soph but may be the most talented); the CBs are the best in the Carroll era; as noted, 3 LBs could go in the first round if Rey Malaluga comes out as a junior; and the line will be amazing (the most talented DE as a freshman - and I agree with Akhhorus that Sed Ellis at DT and Lawrence Jackson at DE are first round talents).

Based on talent only, they should have by far the best defense in the NCAA. THey should have multiple shutouts. And they have more talent than a couple of NFL teams on D.

The offense is the big question mark. If they iron things out, they win a NC at the offensive guys like Booty will go high. If they don't sort out the kinks (like which of their 9 5-star running backs will get the ball and who's really calling the plays - Carroll or the offensive coordinator), the offensive guys may slip a lot in the draft because they don't look so good.

I agree with you except that the only question mark they have, I think, on offense is whether Patrick Turner can fulfill his promise and be a top WR.

[ph33rtheD]

I some of the pics are outlandish but pretty good other than that

[ph33rtheD]

and id also like to add. Noway in hell Matt freakin Ryan goes before Brian Brohm (even with his knee issues) Andre Woodson , Eric Ainge, Sam Keller, or chad henne.

[Hr fan]

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2007/07/akhs-first-2008-mock.html)

Discuss

Love the NYG with 1st choice. Could you discuss 1) why we will finish ahead of the Cowgirls and 2) the relative merits of Jackson and Long. Thanks.

[akhhorus]

Love the NYG with 1st choice. Could you discuss 1) why we will finish ahead of the Cowgirls and 2) the relative merits of Jackson and Long. Thanks.

Gladly:

1a-The Giants, I think, will be a spectacular disaster this year and will be beautiful to watch.

1-The Cowboys have some talent, but they also have 3 systemic problems:
-A defensive system based on strong play from the Dline sans the talent needed to get said strong play.
-A new coach with terrible leadership/discipline skills and a roster full of egos. If Phillips tries to lay down the law, the players will just run to Jeruh to scold him. Its a disaster waiting to happen.
-Relying on older vets at key positions. TO, Glenn, Adams, Columbo. All of them have injury problems(or have injury issues this summer)

2-
Jackson: Think Cory Redding with the Lions. A guy who's a bit too slow to play DE and a bit too small for DT. He could be a great 2 gapper if he bulks up(and he has the frame for it) and he can be a great DE if he slims down a bit.

Chris Long: Think Brent Keisel/Aaron Smith. A stout 3-4 DE who probably has no position in the 4-3.

[Skaggsrules]

Chris Long: Think Brent Keisel/Aaron Smith. A stout 3-4 DE who probably has no position in the 4-3.

First let me say that you pretty much know I'm a big UVA fan, but I think Chris Long can perform really well in a 4-3 at DE (if he were to be on the Redskins, the LDE) He doesn't have amazing pass rush numbers, but can apply a lot of pressure off the end, because he uses his hands well, and gets great leverage on O-linemen (playing against D-Brickashaw Fergueson for 2 years can help, let alone having a HOF father helping you) and he plays stout run defense. He's high character, high motor, team first guy as well. I only watch UVA games once, so I don't break everything down when it comes to strengths and weaknesses, but out of what I picked up, he could play 4-3 really well.

[akhhorus]

First let me say that you pretty much know I'm a big UVA fan, but I think Chris Long can perform really well in a 4-3 at DE (if he were to be on the Redskins, the LDE) He doesn't have amazing pass rush numbers, but can apply a lot of pressure off the end, because he uses his hands well, and gets great leverage on O-linemen (playing against D-Brickashaw Fergueson for 2 years can help, let alone having a HOF father helping you) and he plays stout run defense. He's high character, high motor, team first guy as well. I only watch UVA games once, so I don't break everything down when it comes to strengths and weaknesses, but out of what I picked up, he could play 4-3 really well.

Actually, he probably could play DT/UT in the 4-3, but he would need a big 2 gapper to keep the double teams off of him. That being said, Groh has played that same drop back 3-4 in his career and Long has the body for the 3-4 End.

[Hr fan]

Gladly:

1a-The Giants, I think, will be a spectacular disaster this year and will be beautiful to watch.

1-The Cowboys have some talent, but they also have 3 systemic problems:
-A defensive system based on strong play from the Dline sans the talent needed to get said strong play.
-A new coach with terrible leadership/discipline skills and a roster full of egos. If Phillips tries to lay down the law, the players will just run to Jeruh to scold him. Its a disaster waiting to happen.
-Relying on older vets at key positions. TO, Glenn, Adams, Columbo. All of them have injury problems(or have injury issues this summer)

2-
Jackson: Think Cory Redding with the Lions. A guy who's a bit too slow to play DE and a bit too small for DT. He could be a great 2 gapper if he bulks up(and he has the frame for it) and he can be a great DE if he slims down a bit.

Chris Long: Think Brent Keisel/Aaron Smith. A stout 3-4 DE who probably has no position in the 4-3.


Thanks. IMO if the coaches aren't blowing smoke and Golston is 320# then he would be the 2-gapper. So if Jackson slims down he could be a Mann type? IMO Daniels is not only over the hill, he is about under the hill.

[akhhorus]

Thanks. IMO if the coaches aren't blowing smoke and Golston is 320# then he would be the 2-gapper. So if Jackson slims down he could be a Mann type? IMO Daniels is not only over the hill, he is about under the hill.

Buried in the hill. Golston, I believe, plays too low to be a 2 gapper. I think he's more fit for a 3-4 NT or NT in the 4-3 which we play. If I was running the team, I would have Montgomery play DE as an Igor Olshansky type(clog the run and tie up blockers on the pass rush), play Golston at NT, get a big 2 gapper in the draft in 08(Okam, Andre Fluellen, Nick Hayden or Jason Shirley) and play Carter at the other End spot.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Buried in the hill. Golston, I believe, plays too low to be a 2 gapper. I think he's more fit for a 3-4 NT or NT in the 4-3 which we play. If I was running the team, I would have Montgomery play DE as an Igor Olshansky type(clog the run and tie up blockers on the pass rush), play Golston at NT, get a big 2 gapper in the draft in 08(Okam, Andre Fluellen, Nick Hayden or Jason Shirley) and play Carter at the other End spot.

Akh...quick question. Has Montgomery been working out as DE? If he has, maybe that is one of the reasons that the FO didnt make a big play for a DE this year. Possibly using montgomery,carter at ends...golsten,griff at dt with the rest of the guys filling in where needed ie both pd and wynn at dt while bringing mw and some of the young guys on the end for passing downs? Go Skins !!!!!

[akhhorus]

Akh...quick question. Has Montgomery been working out as DE? If he has, maybe that is one of the reasons that the FO didnt make a big play for a DE this year. Possibly using montgomery,carter at ends...golsten,griff at dt with the rest of the guys filling in where needed ie both pd and wynn at dt while bringing mw and some of the young guys on the end for passing downs? Go Skins !!!!!

I haven't heard any rumors or talk about it. Which is a shame.

[Hr fan]

Buried in the hill. Golston, I believe, plays too low to be a 2 gapper. I think he's more fit for a 3-4 NT or NT in the 4-3 which we play. If I was running the team, I would have Montgomery play DE as an Igor Olshansky type(clog the run and tie up blockers on the pass rush), play Golston at NT, get a big 2 gapper in the draft in 08(Okam, Andre Fluellen, Nick Hayden or Jason Shirley) and play Carter at the other End spot.

I never thought of that! I did see Montgomery as a DE candidate opposite Carter, but never thought of a line evolving from dependence on Griffin, and with draft reachable players! This makes so much sense the FO will totally ignore it (weep)!:bigeyes:

[Fackler Flash]

Akh I have to ask, what do you think of Quentin Groves from Auburn? He really compares to Stanley McClover (sp) now with the Panthers to me. A little small weight-wise right now, great pass rusher, but after a year or two in the pros adding bulk could look really good. Or depending on his success with Auburn scheming some of the 3-4 this year moving to OLB.

[akhhorus]

Akh I have to ask, what do you think of Quentin Groves from Auburn? He really compares to Stanley McClover (sp) now with the Panthers to me. A little small weight-wise right now, great pass rusher, but after a year or two in the pros adding bulk could look really good. Or depending on his success with Auburn scheming some of the 3-4 this year moving to OLB.

3-4 DE might be a good position for him in the NFL, or 4-3 DE in a Tampa-2. I think he has a chance to have a good season and jump solidly into the first round.

[Syllable]

My only beef with this is that you have Colt Brennan and Ray rice to low. Also, no faith in Troy Smith in Baltimore?

[akhhorus]

My only beef with this is that you have Colt Brennan and Ray rice to low. Also, no faith in Troy Smith in Baltimore?

Neither one is a good pro prospect. Brennan will be lucky to go before round 3. Ray Rice should have left last year, this upcoming draft is loaded with RBs.

And Troy Smith will be lucky not to get cut in Balto. He's looked just dreadful.

[Syllable]

Also, Why Matt Ryan over Andre Woodson? Woodson has played much better without having many weapons at Kentucky.

[akhhorus]

Also, Why Matt Ryan over Andre Woodson? Woodson has played much better without having many weapons at Kentucky.

Woodson might have more upside, but he's extremely raw as a pure Qb. Ryan is a very polished prospect who's flying under many people's radars.

[Syllable]

Campbell needs to add 40+ lbs to play the 3-4 DE. Chris Long is a pretty solid talent and has played well in the 3-4 at the DE spot. Davis is a junior, but a very good combo of size and speed. Turner is a possibility, but it wasn't like Wade was his coach. I think Dallas will go for McFadden first, then draft someone. I doubt they'll go after a young RB unless something changes.
His stats arn't impressive at all. He is definitly a number 1 prospect, but he I doubt teams will draft him solely on his athletic ability.
what is all this love affair for steve slaton? is he really considered to be that good of a running back in a spread offense? he's 5'10 and under 200 pounds, and wore down last year.
I totally Agree. He plays with Pat White which grabs some attention away from him. RR's system is a spread so he can utilize his speed to the fullest. There is no way anyteam would line this guy up in goaline or in the I. I don't think he is even built for 15+ carries a game.
Woodson might have more upside, but he's extremely raw as a pure Qb. Ryan is a very polished prospect who's flying under many people's radars.
Not after what BC did this week :banger: Why do you have Booty above all of these guys other than Brohm?

Oh yea.. Ted Ginn gets Drafted Early this year, but no love for Cal's Jackson? After Hester showed what he could do in the return game and Reggie Bush, I doubt that teams wouldn't pick up Jackson early. Not to mention.. Instead of him you have Sweed?!?!?

GJ Not putting Henne on the list, hes not in the same league with the other qbs ( and it didnt take the APP game to tell me that ).

[Syllable]

LenDale White, Chris Brown and Chris Henry don't inspire any confidence. I think if they have a terrible season, they will go out and draft someone like Slaton or sign someone like Turner.



Their Receivers are a joke. Jones at #1? Please. They need to make Vince look like the biggest hero they can so they will give him help.

You can get by with a good O-line and plugging in an RB. But with someone like Young, he will need help at the Wr spot.

[akhhorus]

Oh yea.. Ted Ginn gets Drafted Early this year, but no love for Cal's Jackson? After Hester showed what he could do in the return game and Reggie Bush, I doubt that teams wouldn't pick up Jackson early. Not to mention.. Instead of him you have Sweed?!?!?

Hester and Bush are different kind of players(and Bush is in a different class because he's a top RB along with being a dynamic KR/PR). Ginn will hurt Jackson unless he can show polish as an NFL prospect(which I have yet to see from him). Sweed is a polished NFL prospect with good physical tools.

Their Receivers are a joke. Jones at #1? Please. They need to make Vince look like the biggest hero they can so they will give him help.

You can get by with a good O-line and plugging in an RB. But with someone like Young, he will need help at the Wr spot.

Based on what Don Banks has said about the perceptions of Young around the league, its most likely that the titans won't bother to expend high resources on WRs for Vince since he won't use them properly(they'd be better off going with a great TE). They could have Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt as their WRs, but it would be a waste.

[Syllable]

Based on what Don Banks has said about the perceptions of Young around the league, its most likely that the titans won't bother to expend high resources on WRs for Vince since he won't use them properly(they'd be better off going with a great TE). They could have Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt as their WRs, but it would be a waste.

Thats true, they don't want falcons 2.0 going down in Tennessee.

[Hr fan]

Akh, isn't Jackson a junior? If he goes in the latter third of round 1 projected would he come out?

[akhhorus]

Akh, isn't Jackson a junior? If he goes in the latter third of round 1 projected would he come out?

He is, and it doesn't mean he'll get good advice. Sidney Rice said that he wouldn't come out unless he was projected as a top 10 pick, he was told he would be a top 10-15 pick and he ended up as a early 2nd.

[Hr fan]

He is, and it doesn't mean he'll get good advice. Sidney Rice said that he wouldn't come out unless he was projected as a top 10 pick, he was told he would be a top 10-15 pick and he ended up as a early 2nd.

Watched him against Tech and I hope he will be available when we pick - either 2008 or 2009.

[firehawk157]

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2007/07/akhs-first-2008-mock.html)

Discuss
Care to take back where you put n'awlins in the draft??? Seriously though, I'd like to see your thoughts midseason.

[RoanokeSkin]

I will probably have a breakdown if another UVA Defensive End goes to the Cowgirls. First Canty, then Long. I dont care if we get him, as long as the Boys dont.